G and R Custom Elevator Cabs is a highly reputable go-to elevator manufacturing company providing elevator cabs and design engineering services that enable building owners, elevator managers and contractors to get elevator cabs and components built to non-standard specification (in other words, to fit inside their building/elevator).
Our Sales Director, John Omorean, presented this slideshow to Elevator U attendees during the 2015 Elevator U Conference in Columbus, Ohio. This presentation covers what information is required for new elevator construction and elevator modernization proposals, major concerns that we look for when preparing a proposal, related elevator codes/restrictions and how we decipher if new cab shells should be utilized as well as the pro's and con's of new and existing conditions. Visit our website for more info: www.GandRCustomCabs.com
G and R Custom Elevator Cabs: New Elevator Cab Shells vs. Existing
1. WELCOME
Thank you for joining us
ELEVATOR CABS
Modernization: New shells vs existing
Elevator U Educational Conference
June 25, 2015
2. ELEVATOR CABS for
MODERNIZATION
New cab shells vs Existing shells
Agenda
Introduction
G&R History & Background
Information Required for New
Construction Proposals
Information Required for Mod
Proposals
Agenda
Information Required:
Modernization Proposals
Survey Check List
Major Concerns in Proposal
Preparations
Codes, Restrictions and
Elevator Facts
New Shells vs. Existing
Applications
Conclusion / Thank You
3. Our History and Background
G and R Elevator is a trusted name in the elevator industry known for producing
high-end custom cabs, standard cabs, and interiors in both new construction and
elevator modernization projects. We also produce elevator cab components. We
work with elevator consultants, elevator contractors, architects, property
managers and building owners.
We believe our success to be consequential of our focus on providing value-
driven solutions for our customers. In fact, listening to customer feedback
inspired us to develop a “same-day” prefabricated interior cab solution for our
customers–the EPIC Solution. The EPIC Solution is a patent-pending pre-fabricated
cab interior designed to reduce installation time… even more than other leading
prefabricated interior products.
Our expertise, reputation, and commitment to producing high-quality
products, and customer service coupled with reliable delivery equate
to a successful result for our customers–and their customers as well!
4. NEW Proposal Preparation Specifications
Elevator Sections
Wood Sections
Special Lighting Sections
Metal Finish Sections
Material Finish Sections
General Conditions (if pertinent to cabs & entrances)
Addendum’s and RFI Responses
Architectural Drawings / Plans:
All Elevator Cab and Entrance drawings, and details–if available
Finish Sections Legends or Charts, Electrical / Lighting sections
5. MOD Proposals Preparation
Specifications and / or drawings
Elevator capacity with door type & finish
Inside car dimensions with door opening size
E-mail digital pictures when possible
Brief description of existing interiors so that we may advice of any
weight concerns
Is survey required (yes or no)
If no survey by G and R then;
Wall panels
Ceiling and light fixtures
Handrail size and location
Front description: swing or stationary COP’s, main and Aux along
with material type and finish
Are the original elevator layouts available?
Are the original cab detail drawings available?
Fill in Field Survey Forms
See Field Survey form handouts
6. Survey Check List: Modernization
Inside car dimensions
Existing panels
Existing suspended ceiling drop
Car door thickness, width, height and type
- Always note the above be it new construction or re-clad
- For re-clad, look for special conditions
Existing ventilation locations, height, width, intervals
Strike pocket dimensions
Transom notch dimensions for 2sp conditions
Sill depth & width dimensions (even though new sills may not be required)
For special conditions:
- Take Photos
- Note anything that may be difficult to measure accurately
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9. Conditions appropriate for a
New Cab Shell:
NEW CONSTRUCTION
New equipment
Complex design, a lot of
architectural lines
Tight tolerance condition
Poor shell condition
Conditions appropriate for
Existing Shell to Remain:
MODERNIZATION
Existing equipment
Basic/simple design, few architectural lines
Loose tolerance, wider reveals
Good shell condition
NEW CONSTRUCTION vs. EXISTING CONDITION
Difficult to remove existing wall
panels reveals, light troughs,
corners, etc.
Does not meet existing code
requirements (for access, ventilation,
lighting, ADA, etc.)
In-experienced interior installation
crew
Easily removed wall panels and
Reveal Conditions
Meets current code needs (for access,
ventilation, lighting, ADA, etc.)
Capable & experienced crews
10. Existing coved ceiling/shell limit new
ceiling options
Existing escape hatch to small
Existing cab shell is made of MDF
type pressed board
Modifying platform for a larger car
Pros
Meeting code requirements
Necessary for cosmetic changes
May be lower labor than to refurbish
Add advertising screens/video
New cab shells with new interiors for MOD projects
- an elevator contractor’s point of view
Moving the COP to the front in
lieu of the side of the car
Changing from manual doors to
automatic
Existing cab shell in such poor
shape that the labor to refinish is
more than replacement
May increase cab weight, thus may need to
resize elevator (pump/motor/drive)
Hoisting systems needs PE sign off on new
weight of elevator
More cost than re-using existing shell
Cons
11. Shell is in good shape
No issues with size of escape hatch
(may need to modify existing)
Just looking for a change of
interior design
If required, no issues retro fitting
new door
Pros
Nice new and fresh look
Existing shells with retrofit new interiors of
MOD projects
Operator header to existing cab shell
Cab weight not to exceed 5% of old
elevator interior
Cons
May increase cab weight, thus may need to
resize elevator (pump/motor/drive)
Hoisting systems needs PE sign off on new
weight of elevator
May spend capitol that should go to elevator
system upgrade
12. Conditions appropriate for
Cab Fronts:
NEW CONSTRUCTION
Rough, dented & deep marred
Face & corner conditions
New swing fronts (difficult to
re-clad, re-align, punch new holes
Non re-finished condition
New equipment
Conditions appropriate for
Existing Fronts:
MODERNIZATION
Smooth fronts, no dents and no over-clad
Such as plastic laminate or “Belbien”
When there is a stationary condition with
COP cutouts only and easily re-finished
Refinished condition
Existing Equipment
New Construction vs. Modernization
Elevator cab fronts
13. Lead Times:
NEW CONSTRUCTION
When there is a longer overall
project timeline
Shorter downtime (ie: new doors
vs. re-clad)
Existing Lead Times:
MODERNIZATION
When there is a shorter overall project
timeline (ie: interiors only)
When there is plenty of available elevator
downtime (ie: As an example, the existing
doors to be re-clad, take the doors down
and send to a manufacturing plant for
change out)
New Construction vs. Modernization
LEAD TIMES:
14. Cost & Benefit:
NEW CONSTRUCTION
When new equipment is
being provided
Added cost with a new shell and
ceiling
Interior Material Cost & Benefit:
MODERNIZATION
When existing equipment is maintained
Existing shell remains when in good
condition
Cost Benefit
Existing shell remains when in good
conditionLess overall installation time -
complex
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