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National Cave
Association Conference
Risk Management & Law
             Deadwood, SD, 2012
James H. Moss, J.D.
OSU Environmental Interpretation
Capital Law School, J.D.
500 Clients in Outdoor Recreation
Field
Individuals to Organizations
Concessionaires & Permittees
Manufactures to Retailers
Trials
Whitewater Rafting Companies
Snow Mobiles
Ropes Course
Canoe Liveries
Climbing Gyms
Land owners
Union Internationale Des
Associations D’Alpinisme
(International Mountaineering
and Climbing Federation)
Member of the Legal Committee



            US
            Representative
American Society of
Testing and Materials
F08 Sports Equipment & Facilities

F27 Snow Skiing

F32 Search & Rescue
WWW.RECREATION-
        LAW.COM
Weekly Case
  Analysis
Weekly Legal
  Analysis
  News &
Information
Accomplishments
Only Person to win Board of Land Appeals

16 Fatalities, 4 Quads, 1 Para with no $$ paid

Work as a River, Mountain, Jungle, Cycling &
Rock Climbing Guide

I still Guide

I’ve participated in 15 OR Trials

Expert Witness
500 Clients in Outdoor
Recreation Field
Individuals to Colleges and
Universities
Federal & State Agencies
Manufactures to Retailers
Outfitters & Guides
Summer Camps
North America & Canada
Central South America
Asia, Africa, Europe & Antarctica
Board of Directors
Trade Association of
Paddlesports
National Outdoor Book Awards
American Alpine Club Library
Chairman
Colorado Alliance of
Environmental Educators
Disclaimer:
All legal advice by it’s very
nature is subject to change
and the laws of each state.
 All legal advice requires a
    review by your local
           attorney
Reality
No matter what we learn here a
judge can change it.
By the time we get done with
the conference a judge has
probably changed it.
If you are really bad, you are
going to lose no matter what
3 Things
Education
Paperwork
Post
Education
Education
The more your clients
know the more your clients
are:
  Happier
  Have Fewer injuries
  You Fewer lawsuits
  You have Better
Defense: A/R
So what do I mean by that?
             O.A.R.S.
OARS WHITEWATER ORIENTATION VIDEOS:
           FITTING PFD’S
OARS Video
Series
Answers Guest Questions
Provides Information to Guests in
Advance
Reduces the Questions OARS get asked
by guests
Provides Volunteer Unit Leaders with
Program
Provides proof of assumption of the risk
Website
What do you do guests come
to your program/activity
What are the risks to your
guests
How do your guests have a
good time
How much time could you save?
If your website showed your guests how
to wear your gear?
Or how to do something?




                      Or what not to do!
Paperwork
Releases
    Work
       Bossi v. Sierra Nevada Recreation
    Corporation et al, 2004 Cal. App. Unpub.
                    LEXIS 1992
43 out of 50 states
States that do not Support the Use of a
                Release
               Louisiana
               Montana
                Virginia
                Arizona
              New Mexico
              West Virginia
              Connecticut
               Wisconsin
               Vermont
                Alaska
                Hawaii
               New York
43 out of 50 states
States that do not Support the Use of a Release
                  Louisiana
                  Montana
                   Virginia
                    Arizona
                  New Mexico

               West Virginia
                   Connecticut
                    Wisconsin
                    Vermont
                     Alaska

                   Hawaii
                    New York
Several states stop lawsuits by
kids
States that allow a parent to sign away a minor’s right to
                           sue
Alaska Arizona        Colorado     Florida
California    Florida Massachusetts
Minnesota     North Dakota Ohio Wisconsin
Releases*
Collect Guest
Information
Save Litigation Costs
Save Litigation Time
*Can include model releases
Your Release Must Be
Post
Why do people sue
Money        No
Money        No
Money        No
Money        No
Money        No
Money        No
Money        No
Money        No
People sue because
They don’t know why
They want answers
They want revenge
They want to protect others
They want satisfaction
They want to prove a point
They want to prove they are not bad mothers
What would   You get a
you do if
             phone call
             Your child was
             hurt at camp
             What would your next question
             be after you found out your
             child was going to be fine?
As a parent
You would want to know what happened!
Yet the insurance company does not want
you to say anything because it may harm
your case if you owned the camp
      You don’t have a lawsuit yet, what can
you harm
      Not telling a parent what happened
will start a lawsuit
Moss Maxims
 7 Mistakes Made by
People who are called
     Defendant
1.Hire and retain
Uncaring Employees:

Hire Well, Train Well, and
       Treat Well
2. Failing to
  Know Your
Customers and
 why they are
visiting/buying
   from you
3. Failing to
  Treat Your
Customers the
Way They Want
to Be Treated:
4. Examining the
  problem from Your
     Perspective:
 Your customer sees the
problem differently than
 you. The customer may
not even understand the
        problem.
5. Placing a ridiculous
  value on principles and
           pride.
Principles & Pride Goeth
    Before a Lawsuit
6. Never know Why you
    are being sued:
   Passing the problem to a
lawyer/insurance company does
   not resolve the problem.
7.Forgetting What Your
    Mother Taught You:
If you act like your
mother taught you, you
won’t be sued.
Put
               Education
them all
together   Paperwork



                  Post
                Accident
                Response
Questions?
Email me at
jim@rec-law.us
Questions? More
Information?
James H. Moss
Recreation.law@gmail.com

PO Box 16743
Golden, CO 80402

720 334 8529

www.recreation-law.com
National cave association online
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National cave association online

  • 2. Risk Management & Law Deadwood, SD, 2012
  • 3. James H. Moss, J.D. OSU Environmental Interpretation Capital Law School, J.D. 500 Clients in Outdoor Recreation Field Individuals to Organizations Concessionaires & Permittees Manufactures to Retailers
  • 4. Trials Whitewater Rafting Companies Snow Mobiles Ropes Course Canoe Liveries Climbing Gyms Land owners
  • 5. Union Internationale Des Associations D’Alpinisme (International Mountaineering and Climbing Federation) Member of the Legal Committee US Representative
  • 6. American Society of Testing and Materials F08 Sports Equipment & Facilities F27 Snow Skiing F32 Search & Rescue
  • 7. WWW.RECREATION- LAW.COM Weekly Case Analysis Weekly Legal Analysis News & Information
  • 8. Accomplishments Only Person to win Board of Land Appeals 16 Fatalities, 4 Quads, 1 Para with no $$ paid Work as a River, Mountain, Jungle, Cycling & Rock Climbing Guide I still Guide I’ve participated in 15 OR Trials Expert Witness
  • 9. 500 Clients in Outdoor Recreation Field Individuals to Colleges and Universities Federal & State Agencies Manufactures to Retailers Outfitters & Guides Summer Camps North America & Canada Central South America Asia, Africa, Europe & Antarctica
  • 10. Board of Directors Trade Association of Paddlesports National Outdoor Book Awards American Alpine Club Library Chairman Colorado Alliance of Environmental Educators
  • 11. Disclaimer: All legal advice by it’s very nature is subject to change and the laws of each state. All legal advice requires a review by your local attorney
  • 12. Reality No matter what we learn here a judge can change it. By the time we get done with the conference a judge has probably changed it. If you are really bad, you are going to lose no matter what
  • 15. Education The more your clients know the more your clients are: Happier Have Fewer injuries You Fewer lawsuits You have Better Defense: A/R
  • 16. So what do I mean by that? O.A.R.S. OARS WHITEWATER ORIENTATION VIDEOS: FITTING PFD’S
  • 17. OARS Video Series Answers Guest Questions Provides Information to Guests in Advance Reduces the Questions OARS get asked by guests Provides Volunteer Unit Leaders with Program Provides proof of assumption of the risk
  • 18. Website What do you do guests come to your program/activity What are the risks to your guests How do your guests have a good time
  • 19. How much time could you save? If your website showed your guests how to wear your gear?
  • 20. Or how to do something? Or what not to do!
  • 22. Releases Work Bossi v. Sierra Nevada Recreation Corporation et al, 2004 Cal. App. Unpub. LEXIS 1992
  • 23. 43 out of 50 states States that do not Support the Use of a Release Louisiana Montana Virginia Arizona New Mexico West Virginia Connecticut Wisconsin Vermont Alaska Hawaii New York
  • 24. 43 out of 50 states States that do not Support the Use of a Release Louisiana Montana Virginia Arizona New Mexico West Virginia Connecticut Wisconsin Vermont Alaska Hawaii New York
  • 25. Several states stop lawsuits by kids States that allow a parent to sign away a minor’s right to sue Alaska Arizona Colorado Florida California Florida Massachusetts Minnesota North Dakota Ohio Wisconsin
  • 26. Releases* Collect Guest Information Save Litigation Costs Save Litigation Time *Can include model releases
  • 28. Post
  • 29. Why do people sue Money No Money No Money No Money No Money No Money No Money No Money No
  • 30.
  • 31. People sue because They don’t know why They want answers They want revenge They want to protect others They want satisfaction They want to prove a point They want to prove they are not bad mothers
  • 32. What would You get a you do if phone call Your child was hurt at camp What would your next question be after you found out your child was going to be fine?
  • 33. As a parent You would want to know what happened! Yet the insurance company does not want you to say anything because it may harm your case if you owned the camp You don’t have a lawsuit yet, what can you harm Not telling a parent what happened will start a lawsuit
  • 34. Moss Maxims 7 Mistakes Made by People who are called Defendant
  • 35. 1.Hire and retain Uncaring Employees: Hire Well, Train Well, and Treat Well
  • 36. 2. Failing to Know Your Customers and why they are visiting/buying from you
  • 37. 3. Failing to Treat Your Customers the Way They Want to Be Treated:
  • 38. 4. Examining the problem from Your Perspective: Your customer sees the problem differently than you. The customer may not even understand the problem.
  • 39. 5. Placing a ridiculous value on principles and pride. Principles & Pride Goeth Before a Lawsuit
  • 40. 6. Never know Why you are being sued: Passing the problem to a lawyer/insurance company does not resolve the problem.
  • 41. 7.Forgetting What Your Mother Taught You: If you act like your mother taught you, you won’t be sued.
  • 42. Put Education them all together Paperwork Post Accident Response
  • 44. Questions? More Information? James H. Moss Recreation.law@gmail.com PO Box 16743 Golden, CO 80402 720 334 8529 www.recreation-law.com