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WORDPRESS & PLONE やってみたことわかったこと

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Presentation for the Plone Symposium Tokyo 2015 talk session.

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WORDPRESS & PLONE やってみたことわかったこと

  1. 1. やってみたことわかったこと Some things I learned through experience WORDPRESS & PLONE
  2. 2. To know the "Right Place" for the CMS's through experience of Plone / Wordpress website creation TODAY'S TOPIC 自分が関わってきた Plone / Wordpress の サイト構築経験を通して CMSの適材適所を知る
  3. 3. BACKGROUND About myself About Both CMS About Both CMS and my work
  4. 4. About myself WHO AM I 安田善一郎 Zenichiro Yasuda (@zenich) Ciel Serein LLC / Surface & Architecture - 7 years in a main framer as a systems engineer - Found a small company in 1994 Website creation PM and direction - Since 2004 independent professional Website creation, UI / UX direction BACKGROUND
  5. 5. About Both CMS JUST A LOOK BACKGROUND History: Since 2001 - b2 cafelog launched Recent Version : 4.2.2 # downloaded: 19,645,717 (version 4.2, Yesterday) History: Since 2001 - First release Recent Version : 4.3.6 # downloaded: ?
  6. 6. About Both CMS and my work PLONE, WORDPRESS AND ME BACKGROUND - Since 2005 (2.0.5?) - Looking for a good customizable CMS - Plone was the one with CSS Not sure but... - First time I used was 2007 (2.1.3?) - Became popular - It was a blog
  7. 7. About Both CMS and my work MY ROLE IN CMS PROJECT BACKGROUND - Requirement definition 要件定義 - System / content planning 企画設計 - Direction for creation ディレクション - Project management 制作進行管理 ←things there + - Development 開発 = Almost everything (except for design and markup)
  8. 8. DIFFERENCES Based on my knowledge and experience
  9. 9. Based on my knowledge and experience CONTENT TYPES DIFFERENCES Plone has many content types - News, Events, Page, Folder, Files, Images ... Extending / building a new content type in Plone is not easy. Wordpress supports Custom post types & Custom taxonomies Needs plugin to manage them easier
  10. 10. Based on my knowledge and experience CONTENT TYPES DIFFERENCES “Pods cms framework” is a great content type management plugin (Can’t live without it...) Dexterity (may be)
  11. 11. Based on my knowledge and experience USER ROLLS MANAGEMENT DIFFERENCES Plone has a good feature to make things easier like Users & Groups, Sharing optiions Wordpress has enough functionality for usual needs Needs plugin to extend them
  12. 12. Based on my knowledge and experience WORKFLOW MANAGEMENT DIFFERENCES Plone has many pre-installed workflow samples (I think) Easier to extend content status / workflow Wordpress has enough functionality for basic needs Needs plugin to extend them
  13. 13. Based on my knowledge and experience SECURITY (ACCESS CONTROL) DIFFERENCES Plone takes care of access control for uploaded files and search results. Wordpress can not handle access to uploaded media files Needs plugin to handle them (may be)
  14. 14. Based on my knowledge and experience DOCUMENT SEARCH DIFFERENCES Any files uploaded are searchable like PDF, DOC, PPT... Uploaded files are not searchable Needs plugin to handle them (may be)
  15. 15. Based on my knowledge and experience TYPICAL INSTALLATION DIFFERENCES Plone Python (+ zope / CMF / Five) Varnish Apache or Nginx Usually you have to do it by yourself Wordpress PHP MySQL Apache Many many hosting servers available. Easy to start.
  16. 16. Based on my knowledge and experience ADMIN SCREEN DIFFERENCES Included in the public screen Divided from the public screen Sometimes advantage, sometimes not. (for both)
  17. 17. Based on my knowledge and experience THEMING テーマのカスタマイズ DIFFERENCES (I think) not easy to start Many resources - Customizable free themes - Theming tips Easy to handle where the files are located
  18. 18. FACTS A study on recent projects
  19. 19. A study on recent projects LIST UP PROJECTS Picked up recent 25 projects and made a list which includes - CMS name (Wordpress / Plone) - Website type (Public / Private) - Number of contents - Number of content types FACTS - Number of review stage - Number of department - Number of content creators - Number of login users - Number of user types
  20. 20. A study on recent projects WEB SITE TYPE FACTS Public 公開 Private イントラ Total Wordpress Plone 15 2 17 5 3 8
  21. 21. A study on recent projects # CONTENTS / # CONTENT TYPES FACTS 0 15 1 126 251 375 500 # Contents # Content types Wordpress Plone 15 4000 25000 15
  22. 22. A study on recent projects # LOGIN USERS / # USER TYPES FACTS 1 2 3 4 5 0 5 10 15 20 25 # Login users # User types Wordpress Plone 25 8080 1000010000 20000
  23. 23. A study on recent projects # REVIEW STAGE / # DEPARTMENT FACTS # Department # Review stage 1 2 3 4 5 0 10 20 30 40 Wordpress Plone
  24. 24. IMPLICATIONS "Right Place" for Plone and Wordpress
  25. 25. "Right Place" for Wordpress WHEN WORDPRESS IS RIGHT - Quick start needed - Not so many content types needed - Usual Draft -> Publish workflow - Not so many content creators / department - Review stage is limited - Less need of customization according to the user type FACTS
  26. 26. "Right Place" for Plone WHEN PLONE IS RIGHT - Many content types needed - Various workflow needed - Three or more content creators / department - Review stage is rather complicated - Need of customization according to the user type - Document search functionality needed - Need of care for uploaded content security - Intranet content share FACTS
  27. 27. I expect both CMS’s to evolve with involving good part of each other I HOPE Plone, Wordpress それぞれが お互いのいいところを 取り込んで進化してほしいです
  28. 28. Thank you very much! END ご清聴ありがとうございました やってみたことわかったこと Some things I learned through experience WORDPRESS & PLONE

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