The Lives of Kiwi CS PostGrads

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  • (Personal story is not representative, sample size of 1)Most of you are not Ukrainian Female PhDs from Waikato
  • This data is relevant to you!
  • 5 out of 54 people who attended NZ CSRSC didn’t find a job5 out of 30 people who attended NZ CSRSC didn’t find a job
  • I wonderedwill I find a job in NZ given that I’m so specialized?
  • There were 5 people in industry jobs in Australia, 3 self-employed, 5 start-up
  • 2 Start-Up people still do!
  • Less focus on writing up, more on doing things
  • For PhDs:50-70K bracket: more part-time work during studies, getting a job by responding to a listing, changed only 1 or 2 jobs, more universities70-100K bracket: more internships, getting a job through contacts, more small & large companies, thesis more relevant to jobFor Masters: depending on grad year, the salary also rises. For 2003-2006 it’s 80% who earn over 100K (4 out of 5).
  • Overall:Female in Academia earn 15K less than Males (12 females vs. 27 males)In Industry 10K less than Males (11 females vs. 31 males)But, In NZ the difference is the same: Female Masters & PhDs earn 6K less than MalesFor PhDs only the situation is better: At least those 6 Females who responded to this survey have on average better salaries than 10 Males.27% of Citizen PhDs earn 100K or more, but only 5% of Foreigner PhDs earn 100K or more!A little better for Masters: 40% of Citizen Masters vs. 20% of Foreigner Masters
  • Less focus on writing up, more on doing things
  • The Lives of Kiwi CS PostGrads

    1. 1. Fast-forward 6 yearsThe life of a NZ CSRSC 2007 attendeeAlyona Medelyan, Pingar
    2. 2. 6 years ago @ NZ CSRSC2007
    3. 3. Fast-forward 6 yearsThe life of a NZ CSRSC 2007 attendeeseveralThe lives of NZ CS PostGraduatesAlyona Medelyan, Pingar
    4. 4. How much will I earn and what will affect my salary?Shall I stay in Academia or go into the Industry?Will I be happy with my choices?Where, how and how quickly will I find my first full-timejob?
    5. 5. The Kiwi CS PostGraduates SurveAlumni, Postgrad & Careers departments ofNZ CSRSC & University groups on3 weeks onAdvertised via
    6. 6. 18% FemalesWho responded?155 Kiwi CS Graduates70Bachelors35Masters50PhDsBetween 5 and 40 graduates from each of the 7 NZ univeristiesA variety of CS fields were representedAI, Comp Graphics, Database theory, Formal methods, IR, NLP, Software Engineering, AlgProgramming languages, Health Inf, Theoretical CS, Concurrent systems, Security & Cryp27% Femalesamong PostGrads
    7. 7. Among 85 PostGrads…65% have attended NZ CSRSC in previous yearsAucklandAUTWaikatoVictoriaMasseyCanterburyLincolnOtago2012-20132010-20112007-20092003-2005< 2003CitizenPRStudent Visa
    8. 8. How much will I earn and what will affect my salary?Shall I stay in Academia or go into the Industry?Will I be happy with my choices?Where, how and how quickly will I find my first full-timejob?
    9. 9. Will I find a job?90% of 85 PostGrads found a full-time position since graduatinOut of 10% who haven’t, majority graduated very recently& interesting fact: none of them has completed an internshipNo other correlations were found, except maybe…Attended NZ CSRSC Never attended NZ CSRSCFound a job91% 83%Havent found a job9% 17%
    10. 10. Where will my first full-time job be?Other(equal split betweenEurope, Asia, US/Canada)AustraliaNZ(same city)NZ(moved city)Student Visa holders are more likely to leave NZNZ citizens & Males are more likely to stay in the same cityOnly NZ citizens with a Masters go to Australia
    11. 11. How will I find this job?InternshipJob listingSearch for companiesRecruiterContactsOther** Most: Company / Recruiter found me (email or conference)42% of Males but only 25% of Females found job through contacts
    12. 12. Whilestill enrolled< 3 months< 6 months< 1 year> 1 yearHow quickly will I find this job?83%Incl. 8 grads with“No job experience”Weak correlation withFemale & 2007-2009 grads
    13. 13. My job hunting story
    14. 14. How much will I earn and what will affect my salary?Shall I stay in Academia or go into the Industry?Will I be happy with my choices?Where, how and how quickly will I find my first full-timejob?
    15. 15. 0510152025303540Academia IndustryWhat tasks will I be doing atwork?Self-employed and Start Up employees are least likely to do resea
    16. 16. Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday9:00emails emails emails emails emails9:30customer analysis customer analysis team meeting team meeting documentation10:00 customer meeting programming10:3011:00 emails11:30customer meeting documentation12:00 lunch documentation lunch12:30documentation lunch lunch13:00lunch emails emails HR13:30conference preparations documentation self-education14:00team meeting conference preparations customer analysis programming programming14:30computer set up15:00emails team meeting team meeting15:30conference preparations self-education16:00documentation documentation programming16:30conference preparations documentation17:00 documentation programming documentationMy tasks @ PingarOver the past 3.5 years @ Pingar4 Peer-reviewed publications (+ 2 submitted)>12 Talks at Conferences, Trade Shows & MeetUps2International trips per year (US, OZ, HK, Singapore, China & India)
    17. 17. My areas of researchKeyword extractionTaxonomiesMachine LearningWikipedia mining3 years of PhDText summarizationBack-of-the-bookindexingTerminology extractionSemantic WebText categorizationText clusteringEntity extractionQuery analysis3.5 years @ Pingar
    18. 18. What will I like/dislike mostabout my job?Academia IndustryTeachingAutonomyFlexibilityColleagues“I love working with smart people”AdminBureaucracyFixed term contractsCommute & ParkingManagement / PoliticsDeadlinesChallenging & diverse tasksAutonomyFlexibilityColleagues“I love my team”Most respondents stated that they “enjoy their job on most days
    19. 19. How much will I earn and what will affect my salary?Shall I stay in Academia or go into the Industry?Will I be happy with my choices?Where, how and how quickly will I find my first full-timejob?
    20. 20. How much will I earn?< 50K50K – 70K70K – 100KNZD/year> 100KNo answer2012-20132010-20122006-20092003-2006PhDs salary depending on graduation yearAverage NZ salary: 48Kcareers.govt.nz
    21. 21. The Battle of SalariesExcept in AcademiaMasters PhD$$$Except for PhDs in IndustryEqual for jobs in NZ Universities!KiwiKiwi
    22. 22. Will I get more moneyoverseas?New ZealandAustraliaOther130 responses from Bachelors, Masters & PhDsNew ZealandOverseas47 responses from PhDs only
    23. 23. How much will I earn and what will affect my salary?Shall I stay in Academia or go into the Industry?Will I be happy with my choices?Where, how and how quickly will I find my first full-timejob?
    24. 24. Will money bring happiness?Academia Industry16 Male PostGrads 27 Male PostGradsTwice as many PostGrads earn over 100K in IndustryBut: The level of happiness is the same!>100K >100KI like myjob a lotI like myjob a lot
    25. 25. How can I be happy with myjob?0102030405060Like current job a lot Changed 2 or more jobs%For Masters & PhDs:the average job satisfaction increases with every year after graduating(it doesn’t for
    26. 26. How much will you earn and what will affect yoursalary?Will you stay in Academia or go into the Industry?Will you be happy with my choices?Where, how and how quickly will you find your job?
    27. 27. Advice to CS Kiwi PostGradsAcademiaIndustry• Make sure you have a good supervisor... ditch if not• Apply for things (internships, scholarships)• Do whats fun• Publish• Complete PhD on time• Network• Get work experience while studying / take a break between degrees• Learn Software Dev skills and processes• Broaden your knowledge• Leave NZ (asap)• Consider companies in other industries that need CS• Network
    28. 28. What do the richest & happiestPostGrads say?:) Enjoy life!It is amazing how things work out…But you do need to work hard, andtake opportunities when they arise(notice them in order to take them).Be curious.Survey results available on medelyan.com/surveyDont isolate yourself during your research.As difficult as it can sometimes be, makecontinuous efforts to engage withothers….Bounce ideas off people. Writeearly, write often. Actively seek outfeedback... And find time to relax. 

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