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Can a video effect savant help me with the name of this Kanye color channel de-sync 
effect? 
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Alessandro Thisgasthing Arcidiacono shift channel? 
11 December 2013 at 15:07 · Unlike · 6 
Benjamin Gaulon This has to do with print, when plates don't line up. 
Channel shift sounds good. 
11 December 2013 at 15:16 · Unlike · 2 
Benjamin Berg yeah, i don't think it has a proper name, just a channel shift 
or channel misalignment. the print equivalent would be a color registration 
error. 
11 December 2013 at 15:18 · Unlike · 1 
Yhancik A. The proper name would be Kanye West's Shift Channel though 
11 December 2013 at 15:19 · Unlike · 4 
Alessandro Thisgasthing Arcidiacono http://aescripts.com/separate-rgb/ 
Separate RGB - aescripts + aeplugins 
This plugin allows you to move, rotate, scale, blur, blend, 
fade and distort the RGB channels independently. 
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Menkman register error : yeezus shifting his color channels east/west 
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Luuk Van Huët Yeezy-vision? 
11 December 2013 at 15:31 · Unlike · 2 
Tom Butterworth For completeness: with video sometimes the shift is 
achieved by a varying temporal delay across the channels resulting in the 
effect only being visible in areas of movement, whereas a simple shift (as in 
print) has an even spread over the whole image. This example could be a 
channel delay if the effect was applied to the whole frame (including the wall in 
the background) and both Kanyes were moving towards each other without any 
camera motion - or it could be a simple shift applied to the foreground prior to 
compositing over the wall. Kanye's clothes probably aren't insured around walls 
like that, so I suspect the latter. 
11 December 2013 at 15:47 · Unlike · 5 
Jon Satrom "RGB Chroma Shift" ? 
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Jon Satrom RainbowDepth™ 
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Menkman Tom - really useful! thank you a lot!!! 
11 December 2013 at 15:48 · Like · 1 
Jon Satrom http://www.rainbowsymphonystore.com/rainbow-depth-3d.html 
RainbowDepth 3D Glasses 
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Aaron Meyers when its used more subtly (smaller offset), its sometimes 
called 'chromatic aberration' 
11 December 2013 at 16:06 · Unlike · 2 
Aaron Meyers on a recent project where we used that effect, we called it 
'RGB Shift' 
11 December 2013 at 16:09 · Like 
Bernd Hefisch I know it as "RGB split" 
11 December 2013 at 16:11 · Unlike · 1 
Tei Blow It looks to me like its composited and the Kanye layers have two 
delays on it with chroma shift on them. 
11 December 2013 at 16:20 · Like 
Peter Kirn Funny, when I'm VJing that's called "Peter Turn Off That Damned 
Effect Already You're Overusing It." 
11 December 2013 at 16:22 · Unlike · 5 
Peter Kirn And I want to see the world through those glasses, Jon Satrom. 
Can I get contacts made? 
Quick survey: Shift RGB in Arena 
Irisation in GrandVJ (love the term!) 
Channel Slide in VDMX 
I like RGB Shift or more generically Channel Shift. It's the most accurate 
description. 
This could obviously happen in any RGB system - particularly RGB projectors. 
11 December 2013 at 16:28 · Unlike · 3 
Gregory Taylor Walk in the park with jit.gen. 
11 December 2013 at 16:29 · Unlike · 1 
Peter Kirn Oh, note that the above effects are channel alignment and not to 
do with time. So you can also - and I've seen this - do it with time - I think Tei 
Blow is right about that. 
Gregory Taylor Stop showing off. (and, come on, jit.gen can do a lot harder 
things easily!) 
11 December 2013 at 16:30 · Unlike · 1 
Peter Kirn ^^ I was more interested in what they called it than how they 
implemented it. There's also something like an RGB Delay that would describe 
the time effect... 
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Menkman Peter - wow thanks :: ) showoff 
I like the effect when its an artifact from a projector, it keeps you busy when the 
visuals are very boring: 
The color wheel "rainbow effect" 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/r00s/4860849730/ 
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Tei Blow Oh yes didn't see it move. Peter Kirn how do you have the mojo to run 
cdmblog, Vj, and dominate Facebook still? 
11 December 2013 at 16:32 · Unlike · 1 
Tei Blow Alternately you could knock some of your LCD panels out of 
alignment and get the same effect permanently. 
11 December 2013 at 16:33 · Unlike · 1 
Peter Kirn No I just had too much caffeine this afternoon and so this thread 
is all I can concentrate on. 
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Joost Rekveld http://www.sfu.ca/~welsby/Colour.htm 
Chris Welsby - Colour Separation 
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Menkman i see the historiography of an effect being written in front of 
my eyes... 
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Joost Rekveld http://sensesofcinema.com/2000/feature-articles/city/ 
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Joost Rekveld and with some digging i am sure this goes back to the 1930's 
or earlier... 
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Menkman ^ Joost - aah! interesting: 
"The Colour of Catastrophe" - and it does not even use Deleuze. 
11 December 2013 at 16:46 · Like · 2 
Andrew Benson I've always liked calling it "Chromatic Aberration" because 
it sounds really transgressive in a medieval way. In my brain though, I see it 
and say, "Channels moving around". At one point, I had a separated RGB 
version of my optical-flow feedback thing although I never did much with it, and 
I've always wondered why there wasn't more exploration of messing around 
with color offset errors in more complex or subtle ways than just shift to the 
left/right. 
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Domenico Dom Barra north|west 
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Leon Trimble rgb delay is a ffgl efect for resolume/vdmx etc. 
http://resolume.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7741 
Resolume Forum • View topic - News from 
the FFGL kitchen 
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Menkman No, i am writing - an analysis of one of my favorite videos 
(no joke). But I think by now I need a new chapter to finish this sentence. 
11 December 2013 at 21:43 · Edited · Like · 1 
Martijn van Boven It can't be an RGB delay since the facial expressions 
within all the RGB channels are equal and the offset between each RGB 
channel is equal as well. To my knowledge when you create a RGB delay you 
can create a variable distance between each RGB channel since it's a temporal 
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is also money". 
In the context of WHB it seems to be closest to an emulation of an analogue 
artifact, so i feel like all guesses are worth a penny. no wait dollar 
"pour it up, pour it up; " 
$$, ͡°∫ ° ͜͡ $$$$ ¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪ (somehow kanye got me into a rihanna mood) 
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Menkman maybe its an emulation of a "schele mixer" 
https://vimeo.com/48948735 
Schele Mixer 
http://gieskes.nl/visual-equipment/?file=schele-mixer 
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Martijn van Boven Or the old BARCO projectors (beamers ) which had 3 
lenses for each RGB channel and also created sometimes these artifacts if 
they were not calibrated correctly or just not being taken care of… 
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Menkman ya, we had a BARCO during Databit.me - 
Gijs tried to mod it, was quite fun. and boring at the same time. 
I did not realize back then we were just making chicago west-dirt style vids. 
11 December 2013 at 23:35 · Edited · Like · 6 
Luuk Van Huët Or to quote Kanye himself: “When you look back at these 
four and a half years, who’s the icon at the end of the day? Who broke down 
color barriers? What other black guy would a white person use as a fashion 
reference?” 
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Menkman and thats a quote from 2009, when he made the WHB 
video. yeezus. 
http://noisey.vice.com/.../kanye-west-jimmy-kimmel-interview 
11 December 2013 at 23:55 · Edited · Like · 1 
Luuk Van Huët I feel kinda schizo about Kanye, I really dig his music, but 
Yeezus H. Krizzle, he comes across as such an overcompensating weirdo 
jerkwad doofus. 
11 December 2013 at 23:58 · Like 
Luuk Van Huët Case in point: http://gawker.com/kanye-west-kicks-fan-out-of- 
concert-for... 
Kanye West Kicks Fan Out of Concert for 
Disrespecting His 'Art' 
A Kanye West fan who just didn't get her idol's art was... 
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Bob Weisz pretty sure that's datamoshing 
12 December 2013 at 00:31 · Unlike · 2 
Yung Jake Petra Cortright 
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Mikhail Shraga this thread should be published somewhere 
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Menkman Bob - I was actually already fighting with this question 
earlier today: is datamoshing technologically defined (href: the way you 
describe it in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYytVzbPky8), or can the term 
be used more freely for any video effect that has been implemented within the 
a particular discourse of videos? 
While the paperrad video "Umbrella Zombie Mistake" 
(href: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxFeesWL5OI) kickstarted the 
discussion around 'datamoshing', the first artifacts in the video that appear on 
the face of Rihanna are not classic (technologically defined) datamosh artifacts, 
- they are dropped pixels from an flash video compression (they have nothing 
to do with macroblocks and i/p/key frames). 
So: since this video started the discourse on datamoshing, could these artifacts 
still be called datamoshing ? 
(personally I think no - because those artifacts were never referenced in the 
discourse around datamoshing and i like to define datamoshing 
technologically) 
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What about videos such as https://vimeo.com/9657844 that do have to do with 
macroblocks but do not have the right compression, is that still datamoshing? 
or a glitch JPEG image sequence (also macroblocks) such as used in most of 
Jon Satroms work? 
In short. Is datamoshing restricted to specific compressions (and if yes, which 
ones), or is it a term that is used for videos existing within a certain discourse / 
style or genre of work (or even group of people)? 
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Case studies for the issues around the terminology (which is why i started 
doubting a clear tech-definition): 
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/datamoshing 
"Datamoshing is the practice of intentionally using compression artifacts in 
digital video and animated GIFs that is sometimes to referred to as “glitch art.”" 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact 
"The minimization of perceivable artifacts is a key goal in implementing a lossy 
compression algorithm. However, artifacts are occasionally intentionally 
produced for artistic purposes, a style known as glitch art[1] or datamoshing. 
[2]" 
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Luuk Van Huët Well, that's too rich for my blood 
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Bob Weisz well I can say what we were using "datamoshing" to describe 
was that specific, technological definition of delta frames being put in places 
where they weren't supposed to be. That doesn't result in a specific visual 
glitch though, it could be the classic part-of-the-frame-is-moving-in-a-way-it-shouldnt- 
be or that frozen swirl of fingerpainty colors or some other as-yet-undiscovered 
output, but those are all, to me, datamoshing. 
I understand the backlash against the term (we actually loved it because it was 
meaningless and stupid), especially by those artists who'd been doing the 
effect for years. Some argued that it should be called what they called it and 
what it technically is: "compression artifacting." But I always thought that term 
wasn't limiting enough, specifically because it could technically describe your 
Macroblocking video or the dropped flash pixels from the Paul B Davis 
experiment (which I never even noticed until you just pointed them out!). Again, 
I understand the need to respect both the history and the technicality of a term. 
This is all not to say that people aren't using datamoshing in even more general 
ways than that, almost as a synonym for all video glitch art. I disagree with that 
use, but if that's what the term comes to mean for most people, then that's what 
the term will mean. I believe in language being defined by the bottom-up more 
than the top-down. 
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Bob Weisz Hah, that Know Your Meme explanation is as un-thorough as 
you'd expect, neglecting the Chairlift video and any other instance of 
datamoshing before the Murata youtube upload, but also in the examples, the 
Nicholas Cage one isn't even datamoshing (supporting one side of your initial 
question) but rather seems to be an exploitation of Photoshop's Content-Aware 
Fill feature, something I'd messed around with a bit with videos to see if 
anything cool would happen, but kept striking out. Guess all I needed was 
some Nicholas Cage. 
12 December 2013 at 02:01 · Unlike · 2 
Bob Weisz Also further into that wikipedia article, in the "Artistic Use" 
section, they define it pretty close to how I do: "In video art, one technique is 
datamoshing, where two videos are interleaved so intermediate frames are 
interpolated from two separate sources." They go on to mention other 
techniques, but don't give them a name, further showing that datamoshing is 
just a subset of compression artifacting that goes about it in a specific delta-frame- 
abuse kind of way. 
12 December 2013 at 02:04 · Unlike · 2 
Bob Weisz OH AND it looks like the above line from wikipedia is cited from... 
your original datamoshing blog post! http://rosa-menkman. 
blogspot.com/.../from-compression... <-which proves to be the most 
brief-but-thorough cataloging of the effect's popularity! (though sorry, I didn't 
realize it wasn't technically a glitch! sorry I've been saying that for so long in so 
many venues...) 
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Menkman Bob - if i remember correctly Paperrad coined the term 
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'datamosh' and they hated it later, but maybe its much better than a dry 
technological definition (glitch art as a term has always been scrutinized 
because its a technological term for something that has later become an art 
genre, and not strictly technologically defined but more metaphorically) 
Besides that - I think we have to at least consider the popular ('know your 
meme') opinion ... seeing as it has become quite a populist/popular form / effect 
But yea, I am happy you are also for a more technologically contained 
definition. Still wonder what compressions should actually be counted as 
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'datamoshable' (mpg4, flv, divx, xvid, ....?) 
http://thecreatorsproject.vice.com/show/paul-b-davis--2 
Paul B. Davis | The Creators Project 
The Creators Project: So how does one get interested in 
making music that involves bending the circuits of 8-bit... 
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i will do that sometime soon. 
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Bob Weisz yeah you're right, that PaperRad/Paul B. Davis video used to be 
called "Umbrella Zombie Datamosh Mistake" and that's where we picked it up 
from, even though they didn't mean it as a term for the glitch itself, it was I'm 
sure just a nonsense word thrown in there for laughs, which PaperRad does so 
well. Ironically they deleted the word "datamosh" from the title at some point in 
the internet hubbub that ensued after the Kanye video dropped. It's funny 
because that video was also our direct inspiration for figuring out how to 
datamosh. Jordan Fish, who collaborated with me during the R&D stages of the 
technique, even has the oldest comment on that video, thanking PaperRad for 
all they did for us! 
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Menkman And finally I think kanye dropped the official release of this 
WHB because of the chairlift video -- though i would not know right now where 
to find info on that happening 
(I remember it being taken down from vimeo and later uploaded again) 
is this the comment you mean? 
AND ALSO : where the nabil ppl having an office in the same building as you 
guys * or is this just a broken memory? 
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Richard Alexander Caraballo KANYE AIN'T GOT ANSWERS 
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PPenetrationn NNoww Final Cut. Prism effect. 
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Bob Weisz Yeah, I guess Kanye had the video in the can but was waiting 
until the label thought it was a good time to drop the single. But they dropped it 
earlier than that, pretty soon right after Chairlift came out, I guess so that he 
wouldn't seem like a biter. When he posted the WTH vid on his blog it said 
"This is not the next single, “Amazing” is the next single. This is the video we’ve 
been working on for the last month. We know there is another video out there 
using the same technique so we were forced to drop it now." 
and yep, that comment is the one! 
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Menkman oh man ... that was what i was looking for that quote is 
fantastic, thanks for that. is good to reconstruct this little piece of history... 
BTW: Nick wrote about it too here: 
http://fnewsmagazine.com/2009/10/titleglitch-amp-arttitle/ 
< title>glitch & art< /title> 
A Student Journal of Art, Culture and Politics 
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12 December 2013 at 02:37 · Like · 2 · Remove Preview 
Tom Butterworth I (sloppily prhaps) use datamosh to refer to any abuse of 
temporal features of a codec, definitely not limited to I-P-B codecs, but 
definitely excluding non-temporal compressors like JPEG 
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Menkman but ... (sorry to stress the issue again) 
when you dont realize videos such as Jons purrflux are based on jpeg image 
sequence, it looks very much like datamosh. 
https://vimeo.com/8773290 
Purrflux 
Vimeo is the home for high-quality videos and the people 
who love them. 
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Bob Weisz Right, that's why I define datamoshing as the process/technique, 
not necessarily the output... and if the effect in Jon's video can be called 
datamoshing, then how is that term different than "video glitch art"? I know it's a 
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bit catchier, and so that might result in it getting popularized as meaning all 
video glitch art, in which case I'll concede because I'm not gunna be a stick in 
the mud as a river of people around me are using it to mean something else, 
but until that happens, I'm gonna argue for my definition best I can! 
12 December 2013 at 03:48 · Unlike · 3 
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Menkman No i agree with you! was more a reply to Tom : ) 
12 December 2013 at 03:50 · Like · 2 
Bob Weisz Though actually yeah Tom, I'd broaden my definition a bit from 
just delta-frame hacking to the temporal abuse of any temporally-based video 
compression. that seems fair! 
12 December 2013 at 03:50 · Like · 1 
Jon Satrom I agree with Tom && Bob... When I think "moshing," I think of a 
bunch of Muybridge's horses in a pit dancing to the new-reality of non-frame-based- 
media... Purrflux was frame-by-frame JPG glitching... Interesting convo 
about how definitions (i-frames) can be compressed culturally (b-frames)... 
12 December 2013 at 04:08 · Like · 2 
Jon Satrom #compressionartifacting "But I always thought that term wasn't 
limiting enough" Bob, I think that's a super interesting/coo perspextv... 
12 December 2013 at 04:13 · Edited · Unlike · 2 
Andrew Benson Great thread! I've also always thought of "datamoshing" as 
a pretty specific technical process term. For a couple years I would get bent out 
of shape for people calling my video (and the related code and patches I've 
published) "datamosh" because that wasn't my process or interest, even 
though I can see the visual similarity with my feedback work and the process is 
vaguely related. I often have students ask me how to datamosh and I have to 
go back to those youtube tutorials to find out. 
12 December 2013 at 05:20 · Unlike · 3 
Tom Butterworth Bob and Andrew covered it but I agree - I use it as a 
technical term so something can look like datamoshing but one can point to 
visual features or be told about its production to decide that it isn't. lookalike 
technique == fakamosh? 
12 December 2013 at 10:26 · Like 
Eavan Aiken https://www.videocopilot.net/products/twitch/ 
VIDEO COPILOT | After Effects Tutorials, 
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Menkman that 'twitch' trailer is quite entertaining. 
12 December 2013 at 12:17 · Unlike · 1 · Remove Preview 
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12 December 2013 at 12:26 · Like · 2 
Eavan Aiken Pfff I had clients that gave me the plugin and asked me to 
recreate the Video Copilot stuff frame for frame... Interesting thread ^^ 
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Menkman you made that trailer? :: ) 
12 December 2013 at 12:39 · Edited · Like 
Eavan Aiken No, no but re-creations of parts of it. 
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Menkman that is quite funny - i bet they wanted the distorted letter 
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12 December 2013 at 12:40 · Like · 1 
Sophie Gateau Hey Rosa! Remember this video 
https://vimeo.com/17384960 
Patrick Kelleher & His Cold Dead Hands 
"Wintertime's Doll" 
Label : Osaka records Director, Editor, VFX : Sophie... 
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Menkman Oh yes!!! Yea, you used it too -- sooo beautiful! 
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what did you use, I am quit sure is the same effect as used in the Kanye video, 
looks very similar. 
12 December 2013 at 12:50 · Like 
Sophie Gateau As other people said, it's shifting the R, G and B channel in 
time (and for some shots, even using different shots for each channel). No 
plug-in, just decomposing the picture and recompositing it. 
12 December 2013 at 12:52 · Unlike · 1 
Sophie Gateau you may like this one too, https://vimeo.com/68309921 
Imagined Beauty - TED GLOBAL 2013 - Strings 
Agency : We Are Pi Director, Editor, VFX : Sophie Gateau Line producer / 
1st Assistant Director : Lucas Posson Director of Photography : Alexandre 
Jamin Dancers… 
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Imagined Beauty - TED GLOBAL 2013 - Strings 
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Alejandro Miguel Justino Crawford great morning coffee read thanks 
everyone! 
12 December 2013 at 15:13 · Unlike · 2 
Bob Weisz Oh yeah and the initial question by the OP! I agree with Sophie 
and others. It could be an effect applied, but also could very easily just be three 
(mirrored) layers on top of eachother, each with only one color channel turned 
on. This is most likely because the Blue channel in your screencapture doesn't 
have an alpha channel (might even just be the original footage with a blue hue 
layered over it) while the Green and Red dopplegangers have all their other 
channels set to the alpha. 
And same for later in the video, during the color bars part, that could be it's own 
effect though it would still be pretty darn easy to make one of those 
Delay/Flash/Trail effects (i still don't know what to call THAT effect... anyone 
know?) and tweak each frozen layer to exhibit a different color... 
12 December 2013 at 16:47 · Like · 1 
Birgit Bachelor Now I can't resist to throw this one into discussion 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkBS4zUjJZo 
Blame It On The Boogie (Michael Jackson's 
Vision) 
Music video by The Jacksons performing Blame It On... 
YOUTUBE.COM 
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Bob Weisz Birgit, exactly! what is that amazing effect called?? 
Boogievision? 
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Joelle Duval Merci pour ce partage 
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  • 1. ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ 11/7/2014 (2) Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman's... - Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Home 1 1 Search for people, places and things ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman's photos ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ Roͬͬ Back to Album Previous · Next ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ Like Comment Tag photo Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman Can a video effect savant help me with the name of this Kanye color channel de-sync effect? Like · Comment · Stop Notifications · Share · Edit · 11 December 2013 at 15:00 · Edited · Christian Skillman, Чимиджими Чамиджоми, Spencer Hastings and 41 others like this. 1 share ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ From: Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman's photos in Timeline Photos Share with: Public Tag this Photo Edit Location Change date Open Photo Viewer Download Make Profile Picture Make Cover Photo Make Album Cover Get Link Move To Other Album Embed Post Delete this photo Alessandro Thisgasthing Arcidiacono shift channel? 11 December 2013 at 15:07 · Unlike · 6 Benjamin Gaulon This has to do with print, when plates don't line up. Channel shift sounds good. 11 December 2013 at 15:16 · Unlike · 2 Benjamin Berg yeah, i don't think it has a proper name, just a channel shift or channel misalignment. the print equivalent would be a color registration error. 11 December 2013 at 15:18 · Unlike · 1 Yhancik A. The proper name would be Kanye West's Shift Channel though 11 December 2013 at 15:19 · Unlike · 4 Alessandro Thisgasthing Arcidiacono http://aescripts.com/separate-rgb/ Separate RGB - aescripts + aeplugins This plugin allows you to move, rotate, scale, blur, blend, fade and distort the RGB channels independently. AESCRIPTS.COM ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman register error : yeezus shifting his color channels east/west 11 December 2013 at 15:21 · Like · 5 · Remove Preview Roͬͬ 11 December 2013 at 15:22 · Edited · Like · 8 Luuk Van Huët Yeezy-vision? 11 December 2013 at 15:31 · Unlike · 2 Tom Butterworth For completeness: with video sometimes the shift is achieved by a varying temporal delay across the channels resulting in the effect only being visible in areas of movement, whereas a simple shift (as in print) has an even spread over the whole image. This example could be a channel delay if the effect was applied to the whole frame (including the wall in the background) and both Kanyes were moving towards each other without any camera motion - or it could be a simple shift applied to the foreground prior to compositing over the wall. Kanye's clothes probably aren't insured around walls like that, so I suspect the latter. 11 December 2013 at 15:47 · Unlike · 5 Jon Satrom "RGB Chroma Shift" ? 11 December 2013 at 15:48 · Unlike · 4 Jon Satrom RainbowDepth™ 11 December 2013 at 15:48 · Like · 3 ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152111735431639&set=pb.722246638.-2207520000.1415376858.&type=3&theater 1/8
  • 2. ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ 11/7/2014 (2) Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman's... - Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman Tom - really useful! thank you a lot!!! 11 December 2013 at 15:48 · Like · 1 Jon Satrom http://www.rainbowsymphonystore.com/rainbow-depth-3d.html RainbowDepth 3D Glasses Welcome to Rainbow Symphony Store., a leading supplier of 3D glasses, Fireworks Glasses, Solar... RAINBOWSYMPHONYSTORE.COM ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman hihihi 11 December 2013 at 15:49 · Unlike · 5 · Remove Preview Roͬͬ 11 December 2013 at 15:50 · Like · 1 Aaron Meyers when its used more subtly (smaller offset), its sometimes called 'chromatic aberration' 11 December 2013 at 16:06 · Unlike · 2 Aaron Meyers on a recent project where we used that effect, we called it 'RGB Shift' 11 December 2013 at 16:09 · Like Bernd Hefisch I know it as "RGB split" 11 December 2013 at 16:11 · Unlike · 1 Tei Blow It looks to me like its composited and the Kanye layers have two delays on it with chroma shift on them. 11 December 2013 at 16:20 · Like Peter Kirn Funny, when I'm VJing that's called "Peter Turn Off That Damned Effect Already You're Overusing It." 11 December 2013 at 16:22 · Unlike · 5 Peter Kirn And I want to see the world through those glasses, Jon Satrom. Can I get contacts made? Quick survey: Shift RGB in Arena Irisation in GrandVJ (love the term!) Channel Slide in VDMX I like RGB Shift or more generically Channel Shift. It's the most accurate description. This could obviously happen in any RGB system - particularly RGB projectors. 11 December 2013 at 16:28 · Unlike · 3 Gregory Taylor Walk in the park with jit.gen. 11 December 2013 at 16:29 · Unlike · 1 Peter Kirn Oh, note that the above effects are channel alignment and not to do with time. So you can also - and I've seen this - do it with time - I think Tei Blow is right about that. Gregory Taylor Stop showing off. (and, come on, jit.gen can do a lot harder things easily!) 11 December 2013 at 16:30 · Unlike · 1 Peter Kirn ^^ I was more interested in what they called it than how they implemented it. There's also something like an RGB Delay that would describe the time effect... 11 December 2013 at 16:31 · Like · 1 Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman Peter - wow thanks :: ) showoff I like the effect when its an artifact from a projector, it keeps you busy when the visuals are very boring: The color wheel "rainbow effect" http://www.flickr.com/photos/r00s/4860849730/ FLICKR.COM 11 December 2013 at 16:42 · Edited · Like · 1 · Remove Preview https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152111735431639&set=pb.722246638.-2207520000.1415376858.&type=3&theater 2/8
  • 3. ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ 11/7/2014 (2) Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman's... - Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman Tei Blow Oh yes didn't see it move. Peter Kirn how do you have the mojo to run cdmblog, Vj, and dominate Facebook still? 11 December 2013 at 16:32 · Unlike · 1 Tei Blow Alternately you could knock some of your LCD panels out of alignment and get the same effect permanently. 11 December 2013 at 16:33 · Unlike · 1 Peter Kirn No I just had too much caffeine this afternoon and so this thread is all I can concentrate on. 11 December 2013 at 16:35 · Unlike · 2 Joost Rekveld http://www.sfu.ca/~welsby/Colour.htm Chris Welsby - Colour Separation SFU.CA | BY ROBERT MACNEVIN 11 December 2013 at 16:42 · Unlike · 3 · Remove Preview ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ Michael Todd Vade's rgb shift shader for the win 11 December 2013 at 16:43 · Unlike · 1 Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman i see the historiography of an effect being written in front of my eyes... 11 December 2013 at 16:44 · Like · 2 Joost Rekveld http://sensesofcinema.com/2000/feature-articles/city/ 11 December 2013 at 16:44 · Unlike · 2 Joost Rekveld and with some digging i am sure this goes back to the 1930's or earlier... 11 December 2013 at 16:46 · Like Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman ^ Joost - aah! interesting: "The Colour of Catastrophe" - and it does not even use Deleuze. 11 December 2013 at 16:46 · Like · 2 Andrew Benson I've always liked calling it "Chromatic Aberration" because it sounds really transgressive in a medieval way. In my brain though, I see it and say, "Channels moving around". At one point, I had a separated RGB version of my optical-flow feedback thing although I never did much with it, and I've always wondered why there wasn't more exploration of messing around with color offset errors in more complex or subtle ways than just shift to the left/right. 11 December 2013 at 17:35 · Unlike · 3 Domenico Dom Barra north|west 11 December 2013 at 17:39 · Like Leon Trimble rgb delay is a ffgl efect for resolume/vdmx etc. http://resolume.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7741 Resolume Forum • View topic - News from the FFGL kitchen RESOLUME.COM 11 December 2013 at 18:34 · Unlike · 1 · Remove Preview ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ Jan Mensen So you're working with effect presets now? 11 December 2013 at 20:58 · Unlike · 2 Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman No, i am writing - an analysis of one of my favorite videos (no joke). But I think by now I need a new chapter to finish this sentence. 11 December 2013 at 21:43 · Edited · Like · 1 Martijn van Boven It can't be an RGB delay since the facial expressions within all the RGB channels are equal and the offset between each RGB channel is equal as well. To my knowledge when you create a RGB delay you can create a variable distance between each RGB channel since it's a temporal parameter, RGB shift is fixed…. just my two cents Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman what did the old wise lady say again, something like: "a cent 11 December 2013 at 22:17 · Unlike · 3 Roͬͬ is also money". In the context of WHB it seems to be closest to an emulation of an analogue artifact, so i feel like all guesses are worth a penny. no wait dollar "pour it up, pour it up; " $$, ͡°∫ ° ͜͡ $$$$ ¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪ (somehow kanye got me into a rihanna mood) 11 December 2013 at 23:46 · Edited · Like Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman maybe its an emulation of a "schele mixer" https://vimeo.com/48948735 Schele Mixer http://gieskes.nl/visual-equipment/?file=schele-mixer VIMEO.COM | BY GIJS https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152111735431639&set=pb.722246638.-2207520000.1415376858.&type=3&theater 3/8
  • 4. ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ 11/7/2014 (2) Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman's... - Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman Schele Mixer VIMEO.COM | BY GIJS 11 December 2013 at 22:26 · Like · 2 · Remove Preview Martijn van Boven Or the old BARCO projectors (beamers ) which had 3 lenses for each RGB channel and also created sometimes these artifacts if they were not calibrated correctly or just not being taken care of… 11 December 2013 at 22:48 · Edited · Unlike · 1 Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman ya, we had a BARCO during Databit.me - Gijs tried to mod it, was quite fun. and boring at the same time. I did not realize back then we were just making chicago west-dirt style vids. 11 December 2013 at 23:35 · Edited · Like · 6 Luuk Van Huët Or to quote Kanye himself: “When you look back at these four and a half years, who’s the icon at the end of the day? Who broke down color barriers? What other black guy would a white person use as a fashion reference?” 11 December 2013 at 23:52 · Unlike · 2 Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman and thats a quote from 2009, when he made the WHB video. yeezus. http://noisey.vice.com/.../kanye-west-jimmy-kimmel-interview 11 December 2013 at 23:55 · Edited · Like · 1 Luuk Van Huët I feel kinda schizo about Kanye, I really dig his music, but Yeezus H. Krizzle, he comes across as such an overcompensating weirdo jerkwad doofus. 11 December 2013 at 23:58 · Like Luuk Van Huët Case in point: http://gawker.com/kanye-west-kicks-fan-out-of- concert-for... Kanye West Kicks Fan Out of Concert for Disrespecting His 'Art' A Kanye West fan who just didn't get her idol's art was... GAWKER.COM | BY NEETZAN ZIMMERMAN 12 December 2013 at 00:14 · Like · Remove Preview Bob Weisz pretty sure that's datamoshing 12 December 2013 at 00:31 · Unlike · 2 Yung Jake Petra Cortright 12 December 2013 at 01:00 · Like · 1 Mikhail Shraga this thread should be published somewhere 12 December 2013 at 01:22 · Like Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman Bob - I was actually already fighting with this question earlier today: is datamoshing technologically defined (href: the way you describe it in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYytVzbPky8), or can the term be used more freely for any video effect that has been implemented within the a particular discourse of videos? While the paperrad video "Umbrella Zombie Mistake" (href: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxFeesWL5OI) kickstarted the discussion around 'datamoshing', the first artifacts in the video that appear on the face of Rihanna are not classic (technologically defined) datamosh artifacts, - they are dropped pixels from an flash video compression (they have nothing to do with macroblocks and i/p/key frames). So: since this video started the discourse on datamoshing, could these artifacts still be called datamoshing ? (personally I think no - because those artifacts were never referenced in the discourse around datamoshing and i like to define datamoshing technologically) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152111735431639&set=pb.722246638.-2207520000.1415376858.&type=3&theater 4/8
  • 5. ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ 11/7/2014 (2) Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman's... - Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman What about videos such as https://vimeo.com/9657844 that do have to do with macroblocks but do not have the right compression, is that still datamoshing? or a glitch JPEG image sequence (also macroblocks) such as used in most of Jon Satroms work? In short. Is datamoshing restricted to specific compressions (and if yes, which ones), or is it a term that is used for videos existing within a certain discourse / style or genre of work (or even group of people)? _______________________________________________________________ ___ Case studies for the issues around the terminology (which is why i started doubting a clear tech-definition): http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/datamoshing "Datamoshing is the practice of intentionally using compression artifacts in digital video and animated GIFs that is sometimes to referred to as “glitch art.”" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact "The minimization of perceivable artifacts is a key goal in implementing a lossy compression algorithm. However, artifacts are occasionally intentionally produced for artistic purposes, a style known as glitch art[1] or datamoshing. [2]" 12 December 2013 at 01:46 · Edited · Like Luuk Van Huët Well, that's too rich for my blood 12 December 2013 at 01:52 · Like Bob Weisz well I can say what we were using "datamoshing" to describe was that specific, technological definition of delta frames being put in places where they weren't supposed to be. That doesn't result in a specific visual glitch though, it could be the classic part-of-the-frame-is-moving-in-a-way-it-shouldnt- be or that frozen swirl of fingerpainty colors or some other as-yet-undiscovered output, but those are all, to me, datamoshing. I understand the backlash against the term (we actually loved it because it was meaningless and stupid), especially by those artists who'd been doing the effect for years. Some argued that it should be called what they called it and what it technically is: "compression artifacting." But I always thought that term wasn't limiting enough, specifically because it could technically describe your Macroblocking video or the dropped flash pixels from the Paul B Davis experiment (which I never even noticed until you just pointed them out!). Again, I understand the need to respect both the history and the technicality of a term. This is all not to say that people aren't using datamoshing in even more general ways than that, almost as a synonym for all video glitch art. I disagree with that use, but if that's what the term comes to mean for most people, then that's what the term will mean. I believe in language being defined by the bottom-up more than the top-down. 12 December 2013 at 01:56 · Edited · Unlike · 3 Bob Weisz Hah, that Know Your Meme explanation is as un-thorough as you'd expect, neglecting the Chairlift video and any other instance of datamoshing before the Murata youtube upload, but also in the examples, the Nicholas Cage one isn't even datamoshing (supporting one side of your initial question) but rather seems to be an exploitation of Photoshop's Content-Aware Fill feature, something I'd messed around with a bit with videos to see if anything cool would happen, but kept striking out. Guess all I needed was some Nicholas Cage. 12 December 2013 at 02:01 · Unlike · 2 Bob Weisz Also further into that wikipedia article, in the "Artistic Use" section, they define it pretty close to how I do: "In video art, one technique is datamoshing, where two videos are interleaved so intermediate frames are interpolated from two separate sources." They go on to mention other techniques, but don't give them a name, further showing that datamoshing is just a subset of compression artifacting that goes about it in a specific delta-frame- abuse kind of way. 12 December 2013 at 02:04 · Unlike · 2 Bob Weisz OH AND it looks like the above line from wikipedia is cited from... your original datamoshing blog post! http://rosa-menkman. blogspot.com/.../from-compression... <-which proves to be the most brief-but-thorough cataloging of the effect's popularity! (though sorry, I didn't realize it wasn't technically a glitch! sorry I've been saying that for so long in so many venues...) || | Bitsbits bits____________________... ROSA-MENKMAN.BLOGSPOT.COM ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman Bob - if i remember correctly Paperrad coined the term 12 December 2013 at 02:09 · Unlike · 4 · Remove Preview Roͬͬ 'datamosh' and they hated it later, but maybe its much better than a dry technological definition (glitch art as a term has always been scrutinized because its a technological term for something that has later become an art genre, and not strictly technologically defined but more metaphorically) Besides that - I think we have to at least consider the popular ('know your meme') opinion ... seeing as it has become quite a populist/popular form / effect But yea, I am happy you are also for a more technologically contained definition. Still wonder what compressions should actually be counted as https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152111735431639&set=pb.722246638.-2207520000.1415376858.&type=3&theater 5/8
  • 6. ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ 11/7/2014 (2) Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman's... - Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman 'datamoshable' (mpg4, flv, divx, xvid, ....?) http://thecreatorsproject.vice.com/show/paul-b-davis--2 Paul B. Davis | The Creators Project The Creators Project: So how does one get interested in making music that involves bending the circuits of 8-bit... THECREATORSPROJECT.VICE.COM ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman ha.. that post should be updated though, there is a couple 12 December 2013 at 02:18 · Edited · Like · 2 · Remove Preview Roͬͬ of important videos missing i think.... i will do that sometime soon. 12 December 2013 at 02:30 · Edited · Like Bob Weisz yeah you're right, that PaperRad/Paul B. Davis video used to be called "Umbrella Zombie Datamosh Mistake" and that's where we picked it up from, even though they didn't mean it as a term for the glitch itself, it was I'm sure just a nonsense word thrown in there for laughs, which PaperRad does so well. Ironically they deleted the word "datamosh" from the title at some point in the internet hubbub that ensued after the Kanye video dropped. It's funny because that video was also our direct inspiration for figuring out how to datamosh. Jordan Fish, who collaborated with me during the R&D stages of the technique, even has the oldest comment on that video, thanking PaperRad for all they did for us! 12 December 2013 at 02:22 · Unlike · 2 Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman And finally I think kanye dropped the official release of this WHB because of the chairlift video -- though i would not know right now where to find info on that happening (I remember it being taken down from vimeo and later uploaded again) is this the comment you mean? AND ALSO : where the nabil ppl having an office in the same building as you guys * or is this just a broken memory? 12 December 2013 at 11:51 · Edited · Like Richard Alexander Caraballo KANYE AIN'T GOT ANSWERS 12 December 2013 at 02:29 · Like · 1 PPenetrationn NNoww Final Cut. Prism effect. 12 December 2013 at 02:29 · Unlike · 1 Bob Weisz Yeah, I guess Kanye had the video in the can but was waiting until the label thought it was a good time to drop the single. But they dropped it earlier than that, pretty soon right after Chairlift came out, I guess so that he wouldn't seem like a biter. When he posted the WTH vid on his blog it said "This is not the next single, “Amazing” is the next single. This is the video we’ve been working on for the last month. We know there is another video out there using the same technique so we were forced to drop it now." and yep, that comment is the one! 12 December 2013 at 02:32 · Unlike · 1 Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman oh man ... that was what i was looking for that quote is fantastic, thanks for that. is good to reconstruct this little piece of history... BTW: Nick wrote about it too here: http://fnewsmagazine.com/2009/10/titleglitch-amp-arttitle/ < title>glitch & art< /title> A Student Journal of Art, Culture and Politics FNEWSMAGAZINE.COM 12 December 2013 at 02:37 · Like · 2 · Remove Preview Tom Butterworth I (sloppily prhaps) use datamosh to refer to any abuse of temporal features of a codec, definitely not limited to I-P-B codecs, but definitely excluding non-temporal compressors like JPEG 12 December 2013 at 03:28 · Unlike · 4 Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman but ... (sorry to stress the issue again) when you dont realize videos such as Jons purrflux are based on jpeg image sequence, it looks very much like datamosh. https://vimeo.com/8773290 Purrflux Vimeo is the home for high-quality videos and the people who love them. VIMEO.COM | BY JONSATROM 12 December 2013 at 03:40 · Edited · Like · Remove Preview Bob Weisz Right, that's why I define datamoshing as the process/technique, not necessarily the output... and if the effect in Jon's video can be called datamoshing, then how is that term different than "video glitch art"? I know it's a https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152111735431639&set=pb.722246638.-2207520000.1415376858.&type=3&theater 6/8
  • 7. ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ 11/7/2014 (2) Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman's... - Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman bit catchier, and so that might result in it getting popularized as meaning all video glitch art, in which case I'll concede because I'm not gunna be a stick in the mud as a river of people around me are using it to mean something else, but until that happens, I'm gonna argue for my definition best I can! 12 December 2013 at 03:48 · Unlike · 3 Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman No i agree with you! was more a reply to Tom : ) 12 December 2013 at 03:50 · Like · 2 Bob Weisz Though actually yeah Tom, I'd broaden my definition a bit from just delta-frame hacking to the temporal abuse of any temporally-based video compression. that seems fair! 12 December 2013 at 03:50 · Like · 1 Jon Satrom I agree with Tom && Bob... When I think "moshing," I think of a bunch of Muybridge's horses in a pit dancing to the new-reality of non-frame-based- media... Purrflux was frame-by-frame JPG glitching... Interesting convo about how definitions (i-frames) can be compressed culturally (b-frames)... 12 December 2013 at 04:08 · Like · 2 Jon Satrom #compressionartifacting "But I always thought that term wasn't limiting enough" Bob, I think that's a super interesting/coo perspextv... 12 December 2013 at 04:13 · Edited · Unlike · 2 Andrew Benson Great thread! I've also always thought of "datamoshing" as a pretty specific technical process term. For a couple years I would get bent out of shape for people calling my video (and the related code and patches I've published) "datamosh" because that wasn't my process or interest, even though I can see the visual similarity with my feedback work and the process is vaguely related. I often have students ask me how to datamosh and I have to go back to those youtube tutorials to find out. 12 December 2013 at 05:20 · Unlike · 3 Tom Butterworth Bob and Andrew covered it but I agree - I use it as a technical term so something can look like datamoshing but one can point to visual features or be told about its production to decide that it isn't. lookalike technique == fakamosh? 12 December 2013 at 10:26 · Like Eavan Aiken https://www.videocopilot.net/products/twitch/ VIDEO COPILOT | After Effects Tutorials, Plug-ins and Stock Footage for Post... BY VIDEOCOPILOT.NET ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman that 'twitch' trailer is quite entertaining. 12 December 2013 at 12:17 · Unlike · 1 · Remove Preview Roͬͬ "Control the Chaos, 7 intense tutorials, 25 disorders, dont get afraid, get crazy!" 12 December 2013 at 12:26 · Like · 2 Eavan Aiken Pfff I had clients that gave me the plugin and asked me to recreate the Video Copilot stuff frame for frame... Interesting thread ^^ 12 December 2013 at 12:31 · Edited · Unlike · 1 Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman you made that trailer? :: ) 12 December 2013 at 12:39 · Edited · Like Eavan Aiken No, no but re-creations of parts of it. 12 December 2013 at 12:31 · Unlike · 1 Roͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman that is quite funny - i bet they wanted the distorted letter parts. 12 December 2013 at 12:40 · Like · 1 Sophie Gateau Hey Rosa! Remember this video https://vimeo.com/17384960 Patrick Kelleher & His Cold Dead Hands "Wintertime's Doll" Label : Osaka records Director, Editor, VFX : Sophie... VIMEO.COM | BY SOPHIEGATEAU ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman Oh yes!!! Yea, you used it too -- sooo beautiful! 12 December 2013 at 12:46 · Unlike · 1 · Remove Preview Roͬͬ what did you use, I am quit sure is the same effect as used in the Kanye video, looks very similar. 12 December 2013 at 12:50 · Like Sophie Gateau As other people said, it's shifting the R, G and B channel in time (and for some shots, even using different shots for each channel). No plug-in, just decomposing the picture and recompositing it. 12 December 2013 at 12:52 · Unlike · 1 Sophie Gateau you may like this one too, https://vimeo.com/68309921 Imagined Beauty - TED GLOBAL 2013 - Strings Agency : We Are Pi Director, Editor, VFX : Sophie Gateau Line producer / 1st Assistant Director : Lucas Posson Director of Photography : Alexandre Jamin Dancers… VIMEO.COM https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152111735431639&set=pb.722246638.-2207520000.1415376858.&type=3&theater 7/8
  • 8. ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ 11/7/2014 (2) Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman's... - Roͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman Imagined Beauty - TED GLOBAL 2013 - Strings VIMEO.COM ͠͠͡͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ sͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ aͬͬ ͠͠͠͠͠͠͠ Menkman Thanks Sophie! : ) 12 December 2013 at 12:54 · Unlike · 1 · Remove Preview Roͬͬ 12 December 2013 at 13:05 · Edited · Like · 1 Alejandro Miguel Justino Crawford great morning coffee read thanks everyone! 12 December 2013 at 15:13 · Unlike · 2 Bob Weisz Oh yeah and the initial question by the OP! I agree with Sophie and others. It could be an effect applied, but also could very easily just be three (mirrored) layers on top of eachother, each with only one color channel turned on. This is most likely because the Blue channel in your screencapture doesn't have an alpha channel (might even just be the original footage with a blue hue layered over it) while the Green and Red dopplegangers have all their other channels set to the alpha. And same for later in the video, during the color bars part, that could be it's own effect though it would still be pretty darn easy to make one of those Delay/Flash/Trail effects (i still don't know what to call THAT effect... anyone know?) and tweak each frozen layer to exhibit a different color... 12 December 2013 at 16:47 · Like · 1 Birgit Bachelor Now I can't resist to throw this one into discussion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkBS4zUjJZo Blame It On The Boogie (Michael Jackson's Vision) Music video by The Jacksons performing Blame It On... YOUTUBE.COM 12 December 2013 at 22:13 · Unlike · 4 · Remove Preview Bob Weisz Birgit, exactly! what is that amazing effect called?? Boogievision? 12 December 2013 at 22:14 · Like · 2 Joelle Duval Merci pour ce partage See Translation 28 August at 18:18 · Like Write a comment... About Create Advert Create Page Developers Careers Privacy Cookies Terms Help Facebook © 2014 English (UK) Chat (Off) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152111735431639&set=pb.722246638.-2207520000.1415376858.&type=3&theater 8/8