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How GEO & SEO Work Together
LILY RAY
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LILY RAY
Founder
VP, SEO & AI Search
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS
THAT
KEEP ME UP AT NIGHT…
4
5
I wonder if she’s
thinking about
other guys
When will
Google make
AI Mode the
default search
experience?
How much traffic will
we really lose with
Google’s new agentic
search features?
What incentive do
publishers have to create
content if AI uses their work,
but doesn’t send traffic?
How are we
supposed to
measure the impact
of AI search?
Is tracking prompts even
worthwhile if LLM
responses are personalized
and non - deterministic?
AND THE BIGGEST
QUESTION OUR INDUSTRY
HAS DEBATED FOR 1.5
YEARS…
Is what we
are doing
SEO or
GEO?
THE ARGUMENTS
EVOLVING SEO
SEO always evolves;
the tactics to influence AI
search are re - packaged,
foundational SEO best
practices
Found this chart on social media...
…but isn’t all of this just SEO?
GEO IS THE FUTURE OF SEARCH
AI has dramatically changed search;
new search behavior requires new
skills, tactics, tools and approaches.
SEO is not enough.
GOOGLE’S
VERDICT:
Optimizing for AI search is just SEO
THE GEO SPLIT
Hype-driven category-
building, recycled SEO tactics
under new labels, and
professional anxiety driving
adoption & speculation faster
than evidence
AI has transformed
search; legitimate new
research and testing about
what is really changing &
new approaches needed
Dan Petrovich Britney Muller Joost de Valk
Andrea Volpini Olivier de Segonzac
Dan Hinckley Metehan Yeşilyurt
Jori Ford Suganthan Mohanadasan
Jan Willem-Bobbink
AI SEARCH RESEARCHERS I RECOMMEND
‘PROBLEMATIC’ GEO
AN ESTIMATED
~$300M HAS
FLOWED INTO
VENTURE CAPITAL
FUNDING INTO GEO
STARTUPS SO FAR
THE
“SEO IS DEAD”
SMEAR CAMPAIGN
GEO "SHINY
OBJECT
SYNDROME"
SHORT-SIGHTED GEO-FIRST THINKING
SEO STILL POWERS AI SEARCH (RAG)
My 11-site study:
every subfolder saw
drops in BOTH
Google organic traffic
AND AI citations
WHEN SEO CRASHES, GEO FOLLOWS
GOOGLE
ORGANIC
TRAFFIC
CHATGPT
CITATIONS
GOOGLE
ORGANIC
TRAFFIC
CHATGPT
CITATIONS
WHEN SEO CRASHES, GEO FOLLOWS
DON’T JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT
WHEN SEO CRASHES, GEO FOLLOWS
WHAT GEO TACTICS ARE SITES
USING THAT ARE AFFECTING SEO?
CHATGPT
CITATIONS
EXCESSIVE “SELF-PROMOTIONAL LISTICLES”
A list on your own company site of
the best companies, products, or
services in your industry with your
company/product listed as the #1
best
SELF-PROMOTIONAL LISTICLES (JAN 20 HIT)
2,030 listicles
77 listicles
153 listicles
302 listicles
248 listicles
148 listicles
84 listicles
10 listicles
EXCESSIVE “SELF-PROMOTIONAL LISTICLES”
The Jan 20 update caused further sitewide declines with recent updates.
EXCESSIVE “SELF-PROMOTIONAL LISTICLES”
Google is changing how it handles these
queries.
Self - promotional listicles may rank and be
cited, but they often count as a vote for
your competitor – not your brand .
LISTICLES: A LOOPHOLE GAINING ATTENTION
When a Google loophole earns significant media coverage, it often results in big
changes down the line…
SCALING CONTENT WITH AI
• Private dashboard of 220+ public
case studies from 15 AI
companies
• 54% lost 30% or more of peak
organic traffic; 39% lost 50% or
more
AI Content Companies
SCALING CONTENT WITH AI
• These case studies are still live on AI content tool websites
• Celebrated wins after 2-3 months of traffic growth
• Rapidly scaled content, used “human in the loop” and “proprietary data”
Manual action across
the entire blog
SCALING CONTENT WITH AI
MANUAL ACTION ON GOOGLE:
IMPACT ON GEO
This site received a manual action across its
blog on May 17
EXCESSIVE ‘COMMODITY CONTENT’
Publishing excessive commodity content for search
(who/what/when/where/why/top/best) when that
content can easily be answered by LLMs
This also violates Google’s
Schema policies
REPETITIVE SEO-DRIVEN TEMPLATES
Thousands of “how to” articles - topics not
strongly topically connected to the core
purpose of the business
(Scaled content abuse)
SEO/GEO-DRIVEN COMPARISON/ALTERNATIVE/BEST
TEMPLATES AT SCALE
SUMMARIZE WITH AI BUTTONS (PROMPT
INJECTION)
Microsoft and Google have labeled this SEO/GEO tactic as a
form of prompt injection / LLM poisoning
RECIPROCAL BRAND MENTIONS
(INAUTHENTIC MENTIONS)
PAYING FOR MENTIONS (INAUTHENTIC MENTIONS)
Not cracked down yet, but warning signs are there
AVOIDING PATTERNS
MODERATION IS KEY!
CARL HALL,
NYC FITNESS LEGEND
You can have one slice of pizza,
but not the whole pie.
You can have one can of beer,
but not the whole 6 pack.
You can have one cookie,
but not the whole box.
THINK ABOUT HOW GOOGLE SEES YOUR SITE
WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT:
SCREAMING FROG -> ALPHABETIZE TITLES
AND LOOK FOR PATTERNS
GEO ADVICE NOT ENTIRELY
SUPPORTED BY EVIDENCE
(But you should probably consider anyway)
SCHEMA IS
USEFUL, BUT
NOT A SILVER
BULLET FOR GEO
MARKDOWN
VARIANT PAGES
VS. SERVING
MARKDOWN
(CONTENT
NEGOTIATION)
LLMS.TXT – NOT A SILVER BULLET FOR
AI SEARCH, GOOD FOR AGENTS
OKF: GOOGLE INTRODUCES “ OPEN
KNOWLEDGE FORMAT”
Vendor-neutral open specification that represents organizational knowledge as a directory of markdown files]
Formalizes the “LLM wiki” pattern (Claude.md, Obsidian vaults, etc.)
PREPARING FOR AGENTS
GLIPPY CHROME EXTENSION
WHAT I AM FOCUSING ON
INSTEAD OF SCALING CONTENT, WHY
NOT CONTINUE OPTIMIZING AND
IMPROVING YOUR EXISTING SITE AND
ONLY BUILDING UNIQUE, HIGH-
QUALITY, ORIGINAL CONTENT?
OPTIMIZING CONTENT FOR
PERSONALIZATION
• Combine data from multiple SEO , AI
& social tools in an “AI brain”
• Connect AI to
GSC/GA /Ahrefs /Screaming
Frog/ DataforSEO /LLM data via MCP
• Bring in customer sales call data
STOP CHASING SHORTCUTS,
PLAY THE LONG GAME
THANK YOU