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  1. 1. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 NAOMI: I’m just trying to make sure that our title slide gets captured in the recording. So now, John Cecil, our moderator, he’s our library services consultant. He did introduce Tony Bandy, our presenter. John, I don’t know if there’s anything else you wanted to say. And then we can turn it over to Tony. JOHN: Let’s just get started. This, again, is Tony Bandy who’s our presenter today for Google’s hidden library and he is a consultant with his company Here goes Tony. TONY: Thanks. Hello everyone. Hi Naomi, John. Thanks for letting me come and present my class today. You know, isn’t technology grand? I just keep thinking back to when I first started in the libraries before we even got the internet, and how much things have changed since then including the software that we’re using today. What we’re going to do is we’re going to give a class today and tell you a little bit about what I tend to call the “Google’s hidden libraries”. Can everyone see the screenshot there okay? It should be showing up here in a few minutes. Okay. And then what we’ll do is we will talk a little bit about what is available, and I want to once again thank John and Naomi for letting me come and present to you today. I want to give you a little background about today’s class, about how it works, how I like to present my classes and a little bit about that. My style is informal. I think that probably if you’re like me or if I’m like you, a lot of us tend to learn a little bit better when things are informal. So as we go through these slides, if you have questions, please feel free to send them on and we’ll try to answer them as we get along. I think that’s the best way to learn because sometimes I know when I’m in classes, having to wait until the end of class, I sometimes will forget when I wanted to ask a question about. What we’re going to be doing is going to be flipping back and forth primarily between PowerPoint and the web browser. I want to use PowerPoint just to get my main idea across, and then what we’ll do is Page 1 of 27
  2. 2. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 we’ll switch over to the web browser and actually do some live searching. In that way, you can kind of see exactly how to do it. Okay, if everybody’s ready, we’re going to be getting started here, make sure everyone’s eye on video, and let’s go. Okay. Patrons, your library. A lot of your patrons probably know about Google and about how they can search it. I mean, it seems like everybody does tend to know that. But my question to you is how many of your patrons know about other resources that Google offers including the Google Book Search. And as you can see on your screen there, those were just a couple of examples of things that are accessible to you and your patrons that are available at no cost. You have full text, you have magazines, you have Gov Docs, and quite a wide range of things that you can use in your library. Now, your patrons are always going to need answers. They’re going to need skills and they need your knowledge. I’m not sure about it in Texas, but I know in Ohio, it seems like with the jobless rate and the economy going into tank up here, that patrons are using their libraries more than ever. In fact, even though a lot of our libraries have their budgets whacked just in this last election, some levies failed, some passed. But whenever I talk to a librarian here in Columbus, it seems like they can never keep up with the amount of patrons coming to the doors. So my question to you is: are you using the resources that you have access to? And this resource includes Google Books. Now, there’s quite a few options besides just books that Google can offer your library. You’ve got magazines and newspapers in addition. And what we’ll do today is we’ll talk a little bit about each one of these. We’ll give you some examples. We’ll show you the format. We’ll show you how to search, how to do Page 2 of 27
  3. 3. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 some advance searching, and other things that can make this easily usable by you or your staff. Well, I’ll tell about the books. What you see on your screen are a couple of examples that I found doing some research a couple of weeks ago of some book titles that are available through the Google Book Search. If you had a chance to do any searching on this, you’ll find that the quality of the writing, both the bestsellers that you can find as well as the older titles that Google has scanned is basically phenomenal. Let’s talk about details. You’ll find on—and then you may have heard this through the controversy about the Google Books and the news with the book settlement, things of that nature. But there’s quite a few different, I guess I want to say, sources or types of books that you can find on this. You can find public on main titles, those either from the government or those that are out of copywrite or printed or used before 1922, 1923. The sources, Google has basically partnered with quite a few publishers and libraries including Springer, Cambridge, and some of the libraries that include like the University of Michigan and Harvard, just to name a few. As far as what you can see on Google Books, it varies. You can either see none of the book, you can see what’s called the partial or a snippet of the book and this will be certain passages that can be clipped out, or very often you can see and have full access to the book. And what we’re going to do now is I’m going to flip over to the web browser and kind of show you just a sample of book that you can find. We’ll switch applications here. Okay, waiting for the screen to refresh here. Okay. And most of you by now should be seeing the front page of Google Books. Any time you log on, this is what you’re going to see. And Google recently started to have more and more magazines show up on the front page. But, for Page 3 of 27
  4. 4. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 example, we’re going to choose, we’re going to scroll down and choose a classic title called Ethan Frome by Edith Wharton just to kind of give you a real quick sample of what you can see. Probably while I’m talking, if you’ve had a chance to —I’m not sure how many of you have had a chance to actually spend quite a bit of time on to Google Books—what they do to make this on the screen is they use the Adobe Flash player, the Adobe Flash format, so that’s something that you need to be aware of whenever you do use Google Books is that your computer needs to have access to the Flash format. Hey, John, are you there? Okay. It looks like the screen may not be refreshing so we’re going to flip back over to the PowerPoint and so I can kind of show you a little bit better some of the page controls. John, it looks like maybe it might not be refreshing so I’m going to switch back to the PowerPoint. JOHN: I’m seeing a screen that says working with the resources right now. TONY: Right. Yes, I had switched it over to the web browser and it looks like it wasn’t refreshing quite so fast. What we’ve got here as you see is a sample magazine on Google Books. And using the Flash format, they’ve got different ways that you could control. Up at the top, you can have a—you can reduce what you see, you can make it full screen, you have the option to view two pages at a time which is nice especially if you’re looking at a magazine where they’ve got the story, the split across the fold. You can also do full screen and if you use Internet Explorer in combination with that, it’s a pretty seamless experience for your patrons. One of the nicest things that I found about the Google Books is the table of contents. About nine times out of ten, you can actually—the table of contents are hotlinked so you can go directly to the title that you’re looking for. It makes it really nice. Page 4 of 27
  5. 5. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 I’m going to attempt to switch back to our web browser here and see if we can kind of go live and show you something that I was talking about. It’s always better to do it in live the way I figure. That way you can have more questions. Okay, there we go. I probably got it working. And what you see here is a classic work that one of them that’s available on Google Books, and I’ll go across and talk about the top. What you can see in this particular title the different sections that are highlighted across the top. I’m going to switch over to the multi-page view so you can kind of get a feel for that. We see that this particular title has been scanned in from Harvard. Okay, there we go; just working out the refresh rate at this point. Like I said, technology is good but sometimes you have a little gulch occasionally. Okay, it looks like we’re getting there. JOHN: Tony, can you hear me? TONY: Yeah, I can hear you. JOHN: I just want to let you know we can see everything in the slide. TONY: Oh, you can? JOHN: It seems to be working fine for us, yeah. TONY: Okay, great then. I was kind of worried. It looks like on the—I’ve got a little mini-viewing area to all of you that have signed on and I’m not seeing quite a refresh rate that everyone else is seeing. So I’m just going to go ahead and, John, feel free to—if you don’t see what I’m talking about or I’m talking too fast, just let me know and we’ll just keep going ahead. Okay. What you see here is the split Page 5 of 27
  6. 6. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 screen in front of you. You also can use the thumbnail view, and it looks like it’s coming in right now. And for a novel like this, it’s probably isn’t the best method if you’re using a magazine. This is actually very, very handy. I’m going to switch over to the contents and we’re going to, for example, hit Section 3. And we’ll go back to the dual page view. And then you can see. Now, at the top right-hand corner, you do see various options that you can use and manipulate this text in Google Books. Very often if it’s a book that was printed before 1922 or the 1923, you can download it. Or if it does not have a copywrite, you have a download link that you see over in that right-hand side. Now the download can be usually one of two ways. You can download either via PDF or the very new format called EPUB, and that is the going to be used in larger e-readers like the Sony’s. I think the Kindle may have support for EPUB or it may be coming. I do know that some of the other ones like the Nook do support that. So that is an option for you especially if your library is going to be investing in any of these e-readers. I’ve been doing some researching. I know that some libraries do actually lend their Kindles and other e-readers out to their patrons. But the download option is fairly nice. Okay, I’m going to switch back to our PowerPoint so we can go on to this slide. Okay. Whenever you do—yes, John? JOHN: Tony, I just wanted to say we see the PowerPoint fine and we see your screenshots. But I’m getting reports that we can’t see the text of the book when we do Google Books. So that must be a Flash presentation or something inside that book in the screen? TONY: Yes, it’s all done in Flash so there could be an issue with that. So what we’ll do is I’ve got some good screenshots up on the PowerPoint for everyone attending, and Page 6 of 27
  7. 7. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 what we’ll be doing is we’ll be using the PowerPoint and maybe kind of work in our way around the issue with that if that’s okay? JOHN: Sounds good. TONY: Okay. Thanks John. When you do your search on Google Books, you have the option when you—after you do it to get your returns in two ways. You can either do a list format or the cover format. And the list format from a librarian standpoint is probably the best way to go if only because you get the bibliographic information. The cover format tends to remind me of iTunes a little bit but it’s not necessarily a bad thing as far as being able to view quickly on the screen of what you have returned from your search. Like I said before, when you do your search, you have the option to either get the thumbnails. For those of you that may have not seen the text of the book, if you can see the slide, this gives you a real up- close and very good view of the different views that you can get on the Google Book Search. You can do the single page, the double page, and even the thumbnail page like you see at the top right there. Okay, let’s talk about magazines now. Magazines use the basic same structure that we had seen in the Google Book Search. You have your—at the top, you have your—basically your single, your double. You can zoom in and out. You can even—John, can you see those annotations okay on the screen there? JOHN: Yeah, we can see the arrows and everything. TONY: Okay, great. And what you can do is this is how you can basically customize your magazine review. For example, we see the two-page spread from Life Magazine there. And then from here you can actually flip to different pages in the magazine. And one of the nicest things about the magazine, it’s actually different from the Page 7 of 27
  8. 8. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 books as you have the option on the left to actually browse every issue. And that’s actually kind of nice, for example, if you’re the one who look for a different year. I know when I found out that Google Books has popular mechanics, and they have every year, I would zero in on one particular issue and then end up reading two or three more at the same time. On the top of that you see the overview, and what that can do is it gives you a lot more of information about the magazine, it gives you what’s called the tag cloud if any of your libraries do blogging like on WordPress, things of that nature. You can get a real nice tag cloud of the magazine so you can pick out specific key words. And as usual you do have, since Google is in it to make some money, you do have your advertising pane on the left-hand side. It’s important to remember, and this might be more for your patrons than probably yourself, but the subscribe tab up at the top under the browse all issues, that will actually take you to external site and not necessarily give you more information on what you see in the screen in front of you. Okay, what you see now is some examples I pulled out of the—there are some popular mechanics that are available online, and it can show you basically the quality and the scope of the images that Google has put up there for you to use. They do both OCR and image-based scanning for the titles that they do digitize. And for example the shop notes up at the top, basically every word on that particular title is OCR. So you could do an actual keyword search off of that. I want to switch back to the web browser here in a minute and see if we can do some searching for you and kind of help you out with that. JOHN: Tony? Page 8 of 27
  9. 9. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 TONY: Yes, John? JOHN: I have a quick question. You said that it’s OCR and text and image based. That last book look like an image that look like basically a scan of the book, and you’re saying they can also—you can also search for actual words there? TONY: Right. We sure can. It’s actually—what I’d like to do is we’ll try to switch back to the web browser and I know some folks have some problems seeing it. What we could do is I could probably take a screenshot on the fly where I can do some keyword searching. And then it actually shows up in either red or yellow kind of like a highlighter, so to speak. We’ll give it a try here in a minute and see if we can get anyone viewing it. One of the last parts of what I call the Google Triad, something like that, is the newspaper archives. Now this is a fairly new part of Google. Now I wouldn’t say it is extensive as the books or magazines that you see, but it actually is quite fabulous and you should see on your screen about the Hindenburg crash. And the nice thing about this is you can either hotlink to the newspaper, sometimes you can even print it out as well in a PDF type format. One of the issues with the newspaper access is the depth is not quite there. If you’re familiar—and all of you have heard about the Google Books, you know there’s basically millions of titles available. However the newspapers is—the list is quite limited but I do know that they are increasing that. You’ll also find in the newspaper, when you do search the newspapers, you’re going to find a mix for both pay articles for the New York Times as well as free articles, for example, like from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. But if you’re looking for, like, a general title or your patrons are looking for some information about a topic that’s well known, then you should be able to find quite a bit of information. Page 9 of 27
  10. 10. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 I did have some people tell me that this is good for their genealogy. Genealogy is really big up here in Ohio, and I’m sure in your local average there, it’s quite a popular topic. So the Google Newspapers might be a way to go with that since it is OCR’d as well. Okay. Now let’s talk about searching. There’s two ways you can search. Most of your patrons are probably going to use what you see in the screen in front of you which is just the basic Google box search. It’s not that it’s a bad search, it’s a good search. But very often you’re going to get overwhelmed by any results that you might get. You could get anywhere from 500 to 10,000 to 15,000 results. And from a library standpoint, that’s usually not really accurate, not really helpful. But for your patrons, or if you just want to see what’s there just to start out, it’s a good way to start. But what I usually like to do is more often than not just go on to the advance searching. Hey, John, I want to go on and attempt to switch over to the web browser so I can show some of the advance searching. And we’ll see if that can show up for folks. JOHN: Okay, we’re with you, Tony. Good luck. TONY: Okay. We’ll give it a shot. Okay. I’m going to go to the advance book search. JOHN: Meanwhile, Tony, we had a question about what OCR means. TONY: Oh, okay, sure. OCR, basically optical character recognition. Whenever you scan a book in a scanning when you scan it in, it usually have two options that you can take what you scan. You can either scan it in as a picture and just like a solid flat picture of what you see in front of you, or if your scanner has the right software, you can do what’s called OCR, or OCR’ing it. Basically the software on the Page 10 of 27
  11. 11. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 scanner and on your computer will take and try to recognize each letter in the page that you scan and reproduce that. Sometimes the flaws with that is that the OCR software engine is what it’s called isn’t always 100% accurate so you’re always going to get some transcription errors when you do that. But if you can OCR something, it makes it searchable, every word. Everything is searchable in that page that you scan in. So it’s pretty nice. Okay. We’re going to flip back to the advance book search and, John, is that showing up on everyone’s screen? Can everyone see that okay? JOHN: Not sure. TONY: Okay, all right. JOHN: Tell us what it’s supposed to—it sill looks like I have a PowerPoint that says beyond the norm. TONY: Okay. JOHN: I have another question for you, Tony, if you want to try to jump in with it? TONY: Sure, go ahead. No problem. JOHN: Patricia Miles has a question about magazine searches so I’m going to try to get real fancy here and we’re going to try to un-mute her and have her ask the question directly. But she doesn’t have a microphone so I’ll ask for her. Her question is how do we find a listing of all the magazines available? So this is back when we were looking at the magazine. Page 11 of 27
  12. 12. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 TONY: Okay. You know, that’s actually a really good question because that was one of my prime frustrations of using Google Books and I actually sent an email to the Google Books team because I’m like there’s no way to know what’s on there. They just, in the last month, have—one of their engineers cooked up a script so that you can go in and it will give you a listing of every magazine on there. And I’ve actually got that hotlink on the browser and let’s see if I can switch to that. Let’s see. Okay. And there is your listing of every magazine in the Google book search. It should be showing up. If you look at the top, and especially if you look at the search strategy, the way you can do that is the AS_PT=Magazines. And there’s actually three pages of them ranging from American Motorcyclist to my favorite which is probably on the last screen which is the Weekly World News. If you all are familiar with the infamous magazine that’s at the checkouts, and we actually have variables on there. So, honestly I was quite amazed to see the Weekly World News on the Google book search but it’s always good I mean as far as they’re a good resource. Probably not the most accurate but nevertheless, it’s always good to see it. Okay, I’m going to go back—and actually while we’re here, I want to see if I can show you some of the options that you do have with magazines. And there’s actually three pages of them that you can see. Can you see that okay, John? JOHN: Oh, yeah, we see pages of magazines, yes. TONY: Okay, great. And then at the very bottom, and there’s Texas Monthly and—since you guys are in Texas, we’ll take a look at this magazine here and then like I mentioned earlier, on the left-hand side you have the option to get the magazine overview and you can also browse all the issues. And that’s right on the left-hand side. Page 12 of 27
  13. 13. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 JOHN: Tony, I have a couple of questions about the magazines. Can I jump in with it? TONY: Sure, no problem at all. Go ahead. JOHN: Okay. This one is from Christine Black. Christine, I’m going to try to un-mute you so you can ask your question yourself. TONY: Hi, Christine. How’re you doing? JOHN: Okay, that’s not working. Her question is, are there international papers? TONY: In the newspaper archives section, the only ones that I’ve had the chance to see are the U.S. and national newspapers. And the depth isn’t quite there. We’re talking maybe 10 to 15 papers at the most, maybe a few more. And then you’ve also got—mixed in with that, you’ve got pay sites like the New York Times and things like that. But I haven’t seen any consistent portion of international newspapers yet. JOHN: Okay, I’m going to try to un-mute Kevin Barns with his question. And if that doesn’t work, Kevin, I’ll just ask it for you. Here goes, Kevin. TONY: Hey, Kevin. How you doing? JOHN: Okay, I’m not hearing Kevin. But his question is, does that browse strategy work for newspapers or books too? TONY: Oh, you mean as far as being able to view all the issues? JOHN: That’s all we have for the question, sorry. Page 13 of 27
  14. 14. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 TONY: Oh, okay. Well, as far as being able to browse all the issues, I’ve only really seen that in the magazines. We’ll go to that right now. For example, here’s a view of— for the Texas Monthly of the browse screen of the issues that are available. JOHN: His question was the titles, which titles. TONY: Oh, okay. Yeah, that was right there. And then from this page, you can actually click on each of the links and go to that particular title if you wanted to, if you see a title that you’re interested in. And you can see right there, you can just click on —for example if you’re interested in the American Motorcyclist, and that will take you to that particular issue. The overview tab probably is going to be a little more helpful because that will actually give you a year range on a sliding scale and actually will give you some more information on it as well. If you can see, there’s your tag cloud at the bottom. You’ve also got a little bit of integration with Google Maps as far as places mentioned in the magazine. I mean, from a library standpoint I’m not sure how effective it but it’s actually kind of cool, at least from a computer guy perspective. But the year range is browse-able at the bottom. You can either do it by decades and you can see the covers coming in right there. And then if you wanted to use a particular magazine, there’s your reader’s magazine tab. This is, for example, for the thumbnail view would come in handy on the magazine. Oh, wait a minute for it to load it, it’s pretty graphically intensive so I’m going to kind of wait a minute, and make sure everybody’s seeing it okay. JOHN: Questions about how current these issues are and another question was, are these just old magazines or will it have all current issues as well? Page 14 of 27
  15. 15. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 TONY: Right. Actually it does have current ones. Let’s see if I can go—we’ll go to popular mechanics. We’ll see if I can go back there and kind of give you an overview of what we got because I tend to use this site quite a bit for the computer magazine keeping up with some technology and things like that. Refresh should be coming in here any minute. JOHN: Another question was, are there professional journals here or is it just popular magazines? TONY: At this point, it’s just popular magazines. Yes. I haven’t really seen any trade journals yet, for example, like LJ or things like that. There are some library magazines down there but I’m not sure how—there’s not that much selection yet. You should see InfoWorld, should be showing up on your screen. Let’s see what they’ve got. We’ll select the overview tab. And for example, this one is up year 2005. But I have seen the current issues of popular mechanics and things like that. John, I’m going to switch back to the PowerPoint for a minute so we can keep going ahead with the presentation. JOHN: Okay, I’m going to ask John, ask his question and I’m going to try again here to get fancy and un-mute him so we’ll try with John’s question. Here we go. TONY: Okay. Hey, John, how are you doing? JOHN: Okay, that seems to be our—John’s question was how is it determined which magazines are available and which issues of those magazines. So how are they picking them basically? TONY: I think from what I can tell in doing research, it’s basically whatever publisher they can get to agree to go in to the Google Book Search. You’re seeing a lot of Page 15 of 27
  16. 16. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 resistance from some publishers especially in light of the book settlement that’s currently going on, so I wouldn’t say—it’s really hard to say. It’s pretty much whatever publisher they can get to go in with them. There’s really no hard and fast rule about the list of what you can see. I don’t think it’s going to replace any of your magazine databases yet. But it can maybe, for example, if you have space in your magazine wherein you want to clear out back issues, and you know they are in the Google Book Search, then by all means that will give you a chance to clean up some space. But as far as having a wide cross section, I don’t think the content’s there yet. I honestly think that Google is probably holding off until the actual settlement gets beyond the courtroom stage. I think you’re probably going to see some big changes in the next year though however. I was reading recently that they had just agreed to a mini settlement at least for the United States, Europe, Australia, things like that. Okay. I want to switch gears real quick and I hope everyone can see my picture up there. My title in this slide is “Where’s the Marc?” Let’s just play the odds. Being only brain, we’re all interested in bibliographic control. How does Google index these books? What sort of cataloguing scheme are they using to do this? And the fact is it’s not good. From a popular standpoint, from someone just coming in to browse the book, to look for specific title, and just your regular everyday patrons, they’re not really going to know this. They’re probably not even going to care that much. But if you’re like me and you’re a cataloguer or you’re a reference person, and you’re searching for something, you’re going to see some inconsistencies across your searches, you’re going to see—for example, I was doing some research on this and there’s a good article on LJ about how they’ve got some Hollywood figure classic medieval books. And that’s going to be on the link. I’m going to send some links out after the presentation, you know, the PowerPoint, things like that. And it’s got some links in there that you can actually go to and see. But the metadata is all mixed up. Google uses BISAC for Page 16 of 27
  17. 17. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 their scheme for classifying books. And I’m not sure. I mean, from what I can tell from a library standpoint, that’s not real good. But maybe because they are working with publishers, they wanted to try to make that transition as easy as possible. So the BISAC code is pretty much the basis for what Google uses. They also use oddly enough bookplates, for example, for dates of publication. You’re going to see some inconsistencies like that. You’re also going to see—I was reading the LJ article about using a union catalogue of a library from France. However, that date was inconsistent with every other union catalogue out there. So it’s something that you need to be aware of especially if you want to do any detailed searches and you’re used to any cataloguing done by OCLC or any other bibliographic utilities, it’s not consistent enough. If you’re just doing a title or an author search, you’re pretty much guaranteed to get some good hits. But anything else, it can be frustrating if you let it. I just want to make sure I mentioned that one. JOHN: Now, Tony, I have two questions about copywrite. One is can you print out everything? Can you print out the articles and how is it that they are able to show them? Is it again just based on their agreement with Google as far as which issues are shown? TONY: Right. Okay, we can probably say for a broad rule of thumb, any of the magazines that I found, you cannot print. You can link to them. For example, if you have a— let’s say for example you carry a popular mechanics for the year, I don’t know, 2005. Google has the options, and we’ll talk about that here in a bit, where you can actually imbed a copy of that magazine page in your library’s website. But as far as actually going to the PDF and printing it out, it isn’t really possible at this point. I mean there’s some open source software out there that will kind of let you cheat and do that, but Google does not offer any direct downloads for their magazines yet. The books were different story. As a rule of thumb if it’s a public Page 17 of 27
  18. 18. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 domain title, one that’s been published by the government or public domain as in published before 1922 before the copywrite law changed, most of those are available for either download, either to PDF or the new EPUB format. I’ve actually got a Sony PRS 505 which is the older Sony e-Reader, and using the Google Books, I’ve been able to pull, like, 80 and 90 books off of it. And you can view those in the reader. As far as consistency as what you can download and what you can’t, a lot of it is going to be hinging on this Google book settlement. For example, there’s some titles in there that do not have copywrite but because things are still up in the air, Google actually will not show you the book. You’ll get either a snippet which is a sentence or two, which is basically useless for anything, or you’ll get where they say this book is not accessible. But I think it’s going forward from here as the settlement—hopefully it gets some sort of settlement that you’ll see a conclusion to this. You can actually see more titles available for download. Okay. We’re going to go on to the next slide. One of the unique features that I like about the Google Books is you can actually have your own library online. If you have a Google account or if your library has a Google account, you can go in to the Google Book Search and titles that you’re interested in, you can actually save to your library. And as you can see on the screen, I just did a screenshot of a few that are in my library. You can sort them; you can add reviews to them. And one of the nicest things that I found is there’s actually an RSS feed. So if your library has a Google account and your reference librarian, say for example they’re doing science fair or they’re doing a genealogy of [ph] nature library, you can go in to Google Books, create your Google library, so to speak, and add genealogy titles or science fair titles. And then pop that in to an RSS feed and push that out to your patrons. So it’s sort of like the new title shelf in your library. Only it’s online. And the nice thing about that is your patrons can get the RSS feed, hit the links, and go straight to the titles. So it’s actually kind of cool. Page 18 of 27
  19. 19. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 Okay. I want to mention real quick the fact that there is a mobile version of Google Books out, and you can see the link at the bottom of your screen there. It’s And I’m actually kind of jealous because my phone, I can’t access this. They’ve limited it basically to the iPhone or the Android phone that Google is working with. So for all you iPhone users out there, please feel free to give this a try and let me know how it works. I tried it on my Windows mobile and I basically ended up with nothing. The unique thing about this, however, is that for every title that you see, I think they released like a million or a million and a half titles on the mobile version, not quite as many as the full book site, but every title on there is what we talked about earlier, OCR’d, optical character recognition. And they do that because the mobile, the web browsers that you have, the applications on your iPhone, or your Android phone, there isn’t really no standard out there yet. So what they did is they ORC’d every one of them so that they would actually show up on your screen. Okay, I’ve titled this slide “Sharing is Caring,” and what it consists of is some ways that you can go in and make the Google Books applicable to your library. Rather than directly sending your patrons out to Google, you can actually integrate portions of the Google Books, portions of books into your library’s website. And the three main ways you can do that is the Google API which is the background server room type of interface. It’s a JavaScript based environment in which you can send and receive queries from the Google servers. Another methodology that I’ve actually used on my blog is what’s called the preview. And you can actually preview the book in your web browser. And then the last one is what I called the book bar. This slide is sort of like a cross representation, just a generic representation of the API. For those of you, tech lab brains, who are familiar with this, it’s really not Page 19 of 27
  20. 20. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 that hard. Google has released quite a bit of code and some examples online so you can easily go in and query Google servers directly and have them send that data back to you. The preview control is if you wanted to imbed a Google Books into your library’s webpage. Say, for example, you were doing once again my favorite topic, science fair, and you found some open source government documents on different scientific topics, you can actually imbed the preview of the book into your library’s website. And it’s got a subset of the controls that we saw earlier backwards and forwards. You can go in, you can go out. And then at the bottom if you click on that, it can directly link you and take you to the Google Books site. And lastly but certainly not the least is this is the Google book bar. You have a couple of options here. You can either show it vertically or horizontally. And then I think about this is you can go in to Google Books and generate this in about 15 seconds so you can input specific titles, you can do subjects. And, for example, because you guys are in Texas, I just did some Texas books on the left there and you can see what was generated in under 10 seconds. And then you can actually click on those books in the book bar and that will take you to the tunnel in question. Okay, let’s talk about court. It seems like Google’s been getting a lot of press recently just this week with the Google book settlement. It all boils down from what I’ve been able to determine as far as the main issue would be the copywrite infringement. Publishers are saying that Google is basically ignoring any copywrite provisions in their titles and just blanket scanning in every book they could find. Google’s reply is it’s all fair use, that they’re actually directing more traffic to the publishers in question. And just this week, they have actually signed an agreement for both the Americas; I believe Britain, Australia, and most of Page 20 of 27
  21. 21. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 Europe as far as the settlement. So you should probably see some more updates to this in maybe six months to a year. Real quick, some additional resources that you can use for Google Books. Honestly, this workshop I’m giving today is normally—I normally give it in a whole day session so we’re having to kind of speedily go through some of these. These additional resources are some places that I would suggest that you start if you want to know more about Google Books. You’ve got Librarian Central inside the Google Books box. And from there you can, for example, the Librarian Central is geared mostly to folks like you and me. Now, it hasn’t been updated in quite awhile so when you go in there don’t feel like, wow, the place is abandoned. I have to mention the competition. There are a couple of other book scanning sites out there that you may or may not be familiar with. The one is the Internet Archive and I tended to know this from the fact that the archive old webpage is— that they’ve got a wonderful library of titles and they have a pretty unique way of letting you view the books. And then the bottom you see, they new and it’s fairly new, just went live I think in the last year or so. And I don’t want to mispronounce it. It’s either the Hathi Trust. And it’s basically the bunch of college collegiate library is going in together and making their titles available online. Well, John, that’s basically most all I have. I wanted to open it up for questions and hopefully, I’m not sure about being able to go back to the web browser but if we have time for that, I sure would like to. JOHN: Okay. Tony, we have a bunch of questions. I’m going to start off with Elizabeth Rush. She has gone to the point. She asks—let me ask if Elizabeth can turn on your mic and we’ll try again here. Go ahead, Elizabeth. Page 21 of 27
  22. 22. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 TONY: Hi, Elizabeth. ELIZABETH: Hi. TONY: Hey, nice to talk to you. ELIZABETH: Oh, great, I’m on. TONY: Yeah, how can I help? ELIZABETH: My question was, is this all free because I was wondering what you said about making links to the books, I put that on an outreach page that I have for my library. Do I have to make any reference to that or what do I need to do to make that—? TONY: As far as imbedding the things like that, it’s all free. I think there’s an agreement if you do use the imbed code, there’s a small agreement that you have to agree with Google about—there are some provisions for how to use the imbedded codes and things like that. It doesn’t quite come to mind the specifics. I’m not going to tell you because I can’t remember but I do know that it is free. You just have to sign a minor agreement with Google. ELIZABETH: Great. And it’s all for educational use so it’s okay, right? TONY: That’s the way I figure libraries. I mean if anything, we should be covered under fair use and educational use so no problems. ELIZABETH: Excellent! Thank you. Page 22 of 27
  23. 23. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 TONY: Thank you. JOHN: It’s from Gwen Bertram. Gwen, I’m going to again try with mic here. Here we go. You’re now on. TONY: Hello, how you doing? JOHN: Okay, if that’s not working, her question was, what was the search to get the fullest of Google magazines. I actually have that for Patricia Miles as well so two people asking for the magazine search. TONY: Okay. Let me do some real quick—I wanted to—John, I want to start up another application and see if I can get that for you. Hang on just a second, okay? I can show it on the browser but I’m not sure how well it’s going to show up so let me see if I can just grab that real quick here. Almost done. Okay, I want to see if I can show this, John, the application. I just opened up basically a word pad and we’ll see if it shows up. It’s got the URL right there. And, you know, actually John, I’ve got this in the presentation and the notes on the PowerPoint, and I’ll be putting those up on my site just a few minutes after today’s class. So I’ll make sure that link is actually in there for people. Can everybody see that? JOHN: We can see it, I believe. Yes. There’s the link, yes. Okay, let me ask Monica Colson’s question. She doesn’t have a mic turned on. So her question is a newspaper question. How did you get in newspaper to be able to turn results? She tries it and she only gets books and magazines. TONY: Oh, okay. Let me see if I can—I’ll go back to the web browser and see if we can give that a shot. It’s actually the Google news archive. Let me see if I can get that URL for you. I’ll just copy that, John, and put it right into the same word pad Page 23 of 27
  24. 24. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 application. In that way, folks can use it. Okay. Can everybody see that second link right there? That will take you to the Google newspaper archive. I’m not sure if it’s big enough on the screen. I’ll try to bump up the font a little bit. Hopefully folks can see that. But that will definitely take you to the news archive. Now, it’s very important, if you do search the news archive, that you go to the advanced search because that’s where you can actually specify the free and the non-free articles. Let me see if I can snag this real quick, John, a screenshot of this so folks can see it. Okay. Hang on just a minute. I’ll see if I can get this for you. Okay. There is the advanced—the news archive advance search. I realize it’s not the best but you’re going to want to make sure that you go here to actually do your researching from because you’re going to have the best results for that. You can specify timeline, the newspaper title if you have it, the number of results, and actually the years of publications, things like that. JOHN: Okay. Tony, I want to jump in with a question from Melissa Plays, and Melissa again will try to ask it yourself if your mic works. You want to go ahead? TONY: Hello, how you doing? JOHN: Okay, I’ll go ahead and ask a question. Do results from Google Books and Google Scholar overlap? TONY: I can’t say that 100% accurately. I do know that the focus of the products are entirely different. The Google Scholar is going—you’re going to find most of your focus on the scholarly publications. I can’t say that you probably wouldn’t but I honestly don’t know. But I do know that the scholar tends to be more the technical journals, the higher education journals and things like that. I do know that Google is integrating both Google Scholar and Google book, Google magazines and the newspaper search all in their general search strategy. So if your Page 24 of 27
  25. 25. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 patrons just go to, type in their search, they will actually see results from the other products integrated in with their regular web URLs. I noticed that just in the last couple of weeks, that they’re starting to integrate everything together. JOHN: Okay, here’s one from Analisa Limas, and Analisa if you’re on, you can ask your question. Are you there? Okay. I’m going to skip the question because I can’t understand it. So Analisa if you can try again with that, then I’ll go ahead and try it again. Now, John, Mike asked and his question is can you generalize the settlement detail for us, the Google settlement, and when will that finalize? TONY: Okay. I’ve been doing a lot of research on this and as you’ve probably seen, there’s quite a few—just this week there’s been basically I think agreement from all parties going forward. A basic agreement. I don’t think all parties are happy with it but I know that the—I believe the Author’s Guild and some of the other ones have come to some sort of conclusion about profit sharing. I think a lot of it boils down to money. Unfortunately or fortunately depending upon how you view it, but I do know that they have agreed to some revisions, Google has changed some revisions of the agreement. There’s actually some good links, everyone, John, that I’ll include in the PowerPoint and I’ll put it and make it available on my site. There’s a website out there that is directly about the Google book settlement. The URL escapes me right now so what I’ll do is I’ll double-check that before I put it out there. I believe in general that at least for the Americas and most of Europe and Australia, there is some—I don’t think they’ve got total agreement from, for example, like New Zealand. I know China’s been in the news recently. Some of their authors have been concerned about that. So I can’t really say it’s worldwide but at least for four or five countries, there is some agreement there. Page 25 of 27
  26. 26. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 JOHN: Okay, interesting question on newspapers. We have somebody; Joshua Miles says that they have microfilms of their newspapers back to 900. You know if there’s a way to allow them to be put on Google since they are already on Microsoft…? TONY: Sure. That’s actually really interesting because when I was doing some research for this; Google has a page for what they call in their library partners where they actually encourage libraries to work with them as far as adding materials. So what you might want to consider is actually contacting Google through that, telling them this is what I have, is there any way you could make this available. Now Google being as big as it is, I can’t tell you the response that you would get but I would certainly encourage you to try it, and like I said that link will be in the PowerPoint. As far as the copywrite on the newspaper, it all depend. You’re probably going to have to have some correlation or some partnership with the publisher of the newspaper if you can track down anything like that. And that’s actually one of the problems with the Google book settlement is tracking down authors or publishers that either had passed on or just no longer exist. But, yeah, I think that that would be—I think quite a few local papers on the Google and newspaper archive, especially a lot of the smaller towns and things like that. But, yeah, I would definitely give him a contact and see what they could do. JOHN: Okay, we are running out of time. What we’re going to do with the questions is we’re going to take your leftover questions and forward them to Tony, and have him answer you guys directly. We have several more questions and more questions coming in so obviously a very hot topic. By the way somebody— Rosalita Lorel mentioned that there’s a new announcement of the Google book page settlement today and I suppose in the newspaper. So you guys might want to look into that. And Tony, I think, wants to tell you guys about where his resources are. Go ahead. Page 26 of 27
  27. 27. 2-2783995311940411206-1250eb7412a Transcribed by Capital Typing, Inc. December 04, 2009 TONY: Sure. What we’ve got is I will put this PowerPoint on my website and there’s actually a link, let me see if I can switch back to the PowerPoint and give you the URL to go to that. Right here, let’s see if it shows up. John, is everyone seeing that? I believe it should be showing up. JOHN: Yes. TONY: And what this is actually, it’s a link to my site. And if you have a minute, you certainly don’t have to but it would certainly help me. It’s just a small evaluation on how I did as a presenter. This will help me and my business going forward to refine and make our training classes even better. But what also on this page we’ll find is I’m going to, right after the class today, I’ll put the link up to the—I’ll upload the PowerPoint, and inside that PowerPoint, you will have links to the URLs that I’ve mentioned around Google news archive, the Google settlement. There are some excellent article links that I have gotten there from LJ on metadata and Google’s use of or misuse of it depending upon how you look at it. JOHN: Great. Thank you, Tony. And everybody, when you log, as you log off, you’ll find a quick survey that pops up there. I would appreciate it if you take it just so we can evaluate how we’re doing and try to do better with our webinars. I want to thank Tony Bandy again for presenting. It’s been a great presentations and I know there’s been a lot of interest on this. Thank you. TONY: Thanks everybody. Thanks John, Naomi. I appreciate it. It’s great opportunity. JOHN: Bye-bye. TONY: Right, bye-bye. [END OF TRANSCRIPT] Page 27 of 27