Allied soldiers gave us cigarettes I smoked it The little punk of my Cousin Rudi ran home and told my father
 
I  wish my father would have  been enlightened like modern Fathers who severely punish their children with  “ Time Out”  –...
 
 
 
Abraham and Sarah:  Liars and immoral relationships. Have obedient son Isaac  (Lies to king Abimelech and Pharaoh about hi...
Hannah presents Samuel to Eli the Priest as Hophni and Phinehas look on Hophni   Phinehas
Hophni and Phineas demand meat <ul><li>Sons Hophni and Phineas  officiating priests at Shiloh </li></ul><ul><li>engaged in...
 
<ul><li>Son Amnon, rapist of sister Tamar,  </li></ul><ul><li>Son Absalom kills Amnon,  </li></ul><ul><li>Makes himself ki...
Edson William Problem Children  (mothers boy  and rebel)  and real stress on marriage
Edson Edson William Edson Children frequently left with friends for long  periods Ellen: “  Edson why can you not be good ...
James:  “ Edson has a bad influence on Ellen” She can go to California  with her relatives. I will not go. I wait for a ra...
Son Luke Ford : Former Pornography gossip columnist & convert to Judaism Desmond and Luke Desmond Ford, Luke, Paul in Apri...
Mother : “Evenings, she either went out with friends, …We seldom had an evening at home together.” “Sometimes we would sit...
<ul><li>Lord Shaftesbury </li></ul><ul><li>Son of the sixth earl of Shaftesbury,  </li></ul><ul><li>Raised without parenta...
<ul><li>Frequently: </li></ul><ul><li>Fathers Bad or Dead </li></ul><ul><li>Inattentive mothers </li></ul><ul><li>Good Men...
Frequently: Fathers Bad or Dead Inattentive mothers Good Mentors “ Pizza King” Tom Monaghan <ul><li>Tom Monaghan’s father ...
<ul><li>The computer “Nerds” who changed the world  </li></ul><ul><li>Did not following conventional careers </li></ul><ul...
Bill Gates’ father flew from Seattle to Boston to warn his son that he would never be a success if he dropped out of colle...
Michael Dell <ul><li>Rebel against parents </li></ul><ul><li>Made Independent Life Choice </li></ul><ul><li>Defied  his pa...
 
 
Train  up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it .  Proverbs 22:6 ESV “… bring th...
<ul><li>My son, be wise ...” Proverbs 27:11.  </li></ul><ul><li>“ Honour thy father and thy mother : that…” Exodus 20:12. ...
“ I punish children  for their parents' sins  to the third and fourth generation  of those who hate me.  Exodus 20:5, GOD'...
<ul><li>Even though Ellen White believed that  Satan  was after her </li></ul><ul><li>son and that  </li></ul><ul><li>here...
 
Train  up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it .  Proverbs 22:6 ESV “… bring th...
. Ellen also wrote a letter concerning her parental techniques.  She said, &quot; . . . that we had  failed in our duty ; ...
 
Goertzel’s research is often  supportive of “pushy” parents. Often the best “pushing” is by example
<ul><li>Amy Chua </li></ul><ul><li>“ Why Chinese Mothers Are Superior  </li></ul><ul><li>Can a regimen of no playdates, no...
Augustine and mother Monica Pushing Rascal Son Augustine to become Greatest Saint of Middle Ages
<ul><li>Douglas MacArthur’s mother was his only teacher until he was thirteen </li></ul><ul><li>She moved to be near him  ...
Pablo Casals <ul><li>Father wanted him to be a carpenter, Mother wanted none of that </li></ul><ul><li>His mother took him...
<ul><li>“ Sonya Carson decided to take </li></ul><ul><li>matters into her own hands by  </li></ul><ul><li>switching off th...
 
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    1. 2. Allied soldiers gave us cigarettes I smoked it The little punk of my Cousin Rudi ran home and told my father
    2. 4. I wish my father would have been enlightened like modern Fathers who severely punish their children with “ Time Out” – “GO TO YOUR ROOM” I WOUD HAVE SMOKED EVERY DAY !
    3. 8. Abraham and Sarah: Liars and immoral relationships. Have obedient son Isaac (Lies to king Abimelech and Pharaoh about his wife. Relations with Hagar)
    4. 9. Hannah presents Samuel to Eli the Priest as Hophni and Phinehas look on Hophni Phinehas
    5. 10. Hophni and Phineas demand meat <ul><li>Sons Hophni and Phineas officiating priests at Shiloh </li></ul><ul><li>engaged in illicit behaviour, </li></ul><ul><li>appropriated the best portion of sacrifices for </li></ul><ul><li>themselves, </li></ul><ul><li>having sexual relations with the sanctuary's serving </li></ul><ul><li>women. They are described as &quot;sons of Belial&quot; (1 Samuel 2:12, </li></ul><ul><li>&quot;wicked men&quot; in the NIV). </li></ul>
    6. 12. <ul><li>Son Amnon, rapist of sister Tamar, </li></ul><ul><li>Son Absalom kills Amnon, </li></ul><ul><li>Makes himself king, </li></ul><ul><li>Attacks his father David </li></ul>David forgives Absalom rebels
    7. 13. Edson William Problem Children (mothers boy and rebel) and real stress on marriage
    8. 14. Edson Edson William Edson Children frequently left with friends for long periods Ellen: “ Edson why can you not be good like Willie” “ He will always be a burden to us” His dress was flamboyant, and his behavior unpredictable. He was also extravagant with money and showed little interest in spiritual things&quot; (&quot;Legacy of Light,&quot; 1998) “ Alternately elated or depressed, happy-go-lucky, living for the moment, and a spendthrift who lacked self-discipline and self-control.&quot;(Moon,1993,p.43). “ Edson continued to either flaunt or evade his parent's value system. He loved to dress in expensive clothing, wore a gold watch on a heavy chain, visited a local shooting gallery (which his mother had specifically forbidden), and indulged a passion for reading storybooks. Contrary to his parent's wishes, he borrowed and used firearms (the deed became known when Edson acquired an injury Ellen feared might cost him the use of his hand). (Moon, 1993, p. 50)
    9. 15. James: “ Edson has a bad influence on Ellen” She can go to California with her relatives. I will not go. I wait for a radical change “ If mother would not always blame me when Edson abuses me, and would take a firm stand for the right with me. I think I would consent live in the same State where Edson may reside. But until I see a radical change in both Edson and mother” I will go to Texas…Your mother has pursued this course till she has broken me down-soured me. and Edson has here found ground for his course” Gerald Wheeler: James White, 223-228
    10. 16. Son Luke Ford : Former Pornography gossip columnist & convert to Judaism Desmond and Luke Desmond Ford, Luke, Paul in April 1990 http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2001/01/40829 http://www.lukeford.net/archives/updates/011116.htm
    11. 17. Mother : “Evenings, she either went out with friends, …We seldom had an evening at home together.” “Sometimes we would sit around in the living room together watching TV. Mom and I would smoke pot , but Falcon couldn’t because of his cystic fibrosis, so she made him cookies, putting in a generous amount of marijuana and hashish ” The Richest Caveman, The Doug Batchelor Story, 7 Father: “He may be one of the oldest swingers…” http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/1999/06/16/52792/batchelor-remains-firmly-married-to-aviation-industry.html “ When I went to visit, I was glad he had a maid and a butler. Often they were all I had by way of companionship. Dad came to breakfast with me each morning, but he generally held a newspaper between us. “ The Richest Caveman, The Doug Batchelor Story, 9
    12. 18. <ul><li>Lord Shaftesbury </li></ul><ul><li>Son of the sixth earl of Shaftesbury, </li></ul><ul><li>Raised without parental care or affection . </li></ul><ul><li>All he knew of love and kindness came from </li></ul><ul><li>a maid Maria Millis. It was to her he traced </li></ul><ul><li>the his faith and Life Choices. </li></ul><ul><li>He felt God had called him &quot;to devote whatever </li></ul><ul><li>advantages He had…in the cause of the weak, the </li></ul><ul><li>helpless, both man and beast, and those who had </li></ul><ul><li>none to help them.“ </li></ul><ul><li>In Parliament he fought for the alleviation the injustices </li></ul><ul><li>caused by the Industrial Revolution: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>— prohibited employment of women and children in </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>coal mines, —provided care for the insane, —established a ten-hour day for factory workers, —outlawed employing young boys as chimney sweeps. </li></ul></ul>Anthony Ashley Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury
    13. 19. <ul><li>Frequently: </li></ul><ul><li>Fathers Bad or Dead </li></ul><ul><li>Inattentive mothers </li></ul><ul><li>Good Mentors </li></ul>His father (Dr. William A. Rockefeller) was a charlatan who sold cancer remedies and a bigamist who was absent for long periods of time Young John D. sat by the road waiting month after month for his father to come home From early on he had to work although their father never had less than $1000 in his pocket Dropped out of high school John D. Rockefeller
    14. 20. Frequently: Fathers Bad or Dead Inattentive mothers Good Mentors “ Pizza King” Tom Monaghan <ul><li>Tom Monaghan’s father died when he was four </li></ul><ul><li>Mother left him in St. Joseph’s Home for Boys, later in foster homes </li></ul><ul><li>He called St. Joseph’s a prison and his classmates inmates, </li></ul><ul><li>yet felt close to one of the nuns </li></ul>
    15. 21. <ul><li>The computer “Nerds” who changed the world </li></ul><ul><li>Did not following conventional careers </li></ul><ul><li>Rebelled against their parents </li></ul><ul><li>Made Independent Life Choices </li></ul>
    16. 22. Bill Gates’ father flew from Seattle to Boston to warn his son that he would never be a success if he dropped out of college. Bill disobeyed and made his own choice http://www.time.com/time/gates/rebel.html . Bill Gates
    17. 23. Michael Dell <ul><li>Rebel against parents </li></ul><ul><li>Made Independent Life Choice </li></ul><ul><li>Defied his parents’ insistence that he give up the computer business and stick to pre-med, he took a leave from the University of Texas after the freshman year and never returned. </li></ul>
    18. 26. Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it . Proverbs 22:6 ESV “… bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.” Ephesians 6:4 ESV The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother. Proverbs 29:15 ESV Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24 ESV
    19. 27. <ul><li>My son, be wise ...” Proverbs 27:11. </li></ul><ul><li>“ Honour thy father and thy mother : that…” Exodus 20:12. </li></ul><ul><li>“ Honour thy father and thy mother, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee; that…” </li></ul><ul><li>Deuteronomy 5:16. </li></ul><ul><li>“ My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments; …bind them about </li></ul><ul><li>thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart...” Proverbs 3:1-4. </li></ul><ul><li>“ Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother;” </li></ul><ul><li>Ephesians 6:1-3. </li></ul><ul><li>“ A fool despiseth his father’s instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent.” </li></ul><ul><li>Proverbs 15:5 </li></ul><ul><li>“ If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV </li></ul>
    20. 28. “ I punish children for their parents' sins to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me. Exodus 20:5, GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) “ He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.“ Exodus 34:7 New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    21. 29. <ul><li>Even though Ellen White believed that Satan was after her </li></ul><ul><li>son and that </li></ul><ul><li>heredity made him who he was , she did put some </li></ul><ul><li>of the blame upon James and herself. &quot;She mentioned Edson's </li></ul><ul><li>troubled infancy and acknowledged some </li></ul><ul><li>3. parenting mistakes , but she also insisted on </li></ul><ul><li>Edson's personal responsibility in persistently </li></ul><ul><li>choosing to live for the present moment rather than to deny </li></ul><ul><li>self for a future benefit.&quot; (Moon,1993,p.44) . </li></ul>
    22. 31. Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it . Proverbs 22:6 ESV “… bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.” Ephesians 6:4 ESV The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother. Proverbs 29:15 ESV Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24 ESV
    23. 32. . Ellen also wrote a letter concerning her parental techniques. She said, &quot; . . . that we had failed in our duty ; we had not restrained them . We had indulged them too much , suffered them to follow their own inclinations and desires , and suffered them to indulged in folly I saw that we should instruct them with sobriety and yet with kindness and patience; taken an even course.“ (J.A. Moon, W.C. White and Ellen G. White, 1993,p.46-47).
    24. 34. Goertzel’s research is often supportive of “pushy” parents. Often the best “pushing” is by example
    25. 35. <ul><li>Amy Chua </li></ul><ul><li>“ Why Chinese Mothers Are Superior </li></ul><ul><li>Can a regimen of no playdates, no TV, no computer games and hours of practice create happy kids?” </li></ul><ul><li>Not afraid to push, push </li></ul><ul><li>Not afraid to scold </li></ul><ul><li>Not afraid to punish </li></ul><ul><li>Not worried about children's self-esteem </li></ul><ul><li>The Wall Street Journal, Jan. 8, 2011 </li></ul>
    26. 36. Augustine and mother Monica Pushing Rascal Son Augustine to become Greatest Saint of Middle Ages
    27. 37. <ul><li>Douglas MacArthur’s mother was his only teacher until he was thirteen </li></ul><ul><li>She moved to be near him when he went to West Point, walked with him on “flirtation walk ” </li></ul><ul><li>She went with him to the Philippines in 1935 </li></ul><ul><li>crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/FamousChild.ppt </li></ul>Mary Pinkney (“Pinky”) MacArthur Douglas at West Point
    28. 38. Pablo Casals <ul><li>Father wanted him to be a carpenter, Mother wanted none of that </li></ul><ul><li>His mother took him from a small town to Barcelona for lessons </li></ul><ul><li>They suffered poverty in Brussels and Paris to advance his career </li></ul><ul><li>His mother had to sell her hair to raise funds </li></ul><ul><li>Casals stated, &quot;Oh! the suffering and the wonderful way of my mother then. She was a heroine!” http://www.cello.org/Newsletter/Articles/casals.html </li></ul>Pilar Defilló de Casals
    29. 39. <ul><li>“ Sonya Carson decided to take </li></ul><ul><li>matters into her own hands by </li></ul><ul><li>switching off the television . </li></ul><ul><li>Ben and Curtis were allowed to </li></ul><ul><li>watch only two programs a </li></ul><ul><li>week, and their mother made </li></ul><ul><li>them </li></ul><ul><li>read two books each week from </li></ul><ul><li>the Detroit Public Library. The </li></ul><ul><li>boys were also required to </li></ul><ul><li>write book reports , which Sonya </li></ul><ul><li>would underline and mark up.” </li></ul><ul><li>http://www.answers.com/topic/ben-carson </li></ul>Ben Carson said:“My story is really my mother's story — a woman with little formal education or worldly goods…”

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