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Pak 1974-na-committe-ahmadiyya.vOL 5

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The Namtional Assembely Pakistan proceedings of the special committee of the whole house held in Camera to consider the Qadiani Issue - Vol 5 out of 27

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Pak 1974-na-committe-ahmadiyya.vOL 5

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  3. 3. NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN [7lh August. I974 , l»“g{}i; ,§, i;/ I/ta; / , _,Tu: :ut: «1:; ?f¢. / (judge) f~; uff(“A1L'! b7,. l»I: /L_? -?~[f". _/t>. _unp. fLc1an'fica: ion a, judge . .A$Il. .5/“. u:’ZQJ: _:(j7clarification J: rUlvru§, Iil/ "lZ| ]/ -l719:gj.7;¢}1’; (}? )L, (.l¢3:Q'Ilz_). :_l, l‘g_: §r: (g; JLJ/5;gisgk‘| {u'l-| f¢. // J5:/ 'z'_, f!. ,>L4s; /:, g5v’«(ff. ,tz “When I say I am a musalman, it is not for, Mufti Mahmood or Maulana Moududi to say that I am not. -un&~.4’d~”-. «'<5§: iI/ ’t'i/ z: ~,; ,{/ :;¢_c/ J42.Jwb» /1/on -¢j. ’51u_§’.7.I'. flJ_? a"_/ /JA;5’l; ”L‘§L»7,. “l; t._T, T ———— -»z'_(745§:1I/ l:Ii/ ‘J/ .l: 'Q—U’3:: *.—*: f/‘-€"§". {‘t: i.i-rt? if I decide then nobody has to interfere? (_/ »g9.‘¢ cf decide 9"» 2. at JL’~"%. I:J. '51¢j. ”/': ,?I/ t my -l2/I/ fiidecide 45.1)’ decide .7J'b? :': g/5:. _._¢T, J/(3. Err, 511:1? . ... .U_, ~ ---- --; /:: u.’5cu. ?;: i|/ tl/ '/ ‘. ,.’n. .’(~U3/‘K4:L5/:1’/ I./ “Q,7)K££5/gflpfl--~5J%L:5§'~yt? -9 L~TJI/ ,*. u_: /'K£d / .é{r; I’.1’. “:_. :u. ?’ right , fuI (‘ROSS—l-ZXAMINATION OF THE QADIANI GROUP DELEGATION 7 2.. ;:, zg; _r. ;_1/. .,, »‘*. -.ya: .J/ ’L5/~, ~7fr, —: = «&=1'/ W/ -uf’J! ' fling; /;. gJprincap1e . JQu1rd3"11l.7“"'l'>§~. «l:2 -g/ ’;. ,:J"J/ ’L5/3’5t; U5}->l. ¢Ut"7‘U: ‘;: fl xl2gJ/ .~. gifLu= :2q5<£: f~w». if you claim a right we concede the same right to someone else. -g_J)’iU3.. isuperi0r race ---- -‘f~__, aT'4,—'J""-€)gl. ':"7'/ ‘b"'/ -unL-)LJ1Zlai7.u1' utfu. /I11/f| ’LV u; '"c. —v(-; «7?, .—'right : -:7/7’/5L-7%‘: .. .. . .“‘_; _‘5igL}-/ __? ,I, J/4:«u: .(LJ.7?L. }7:«: ((); :*"U! FULJ'/ _+. _G; :/Vt| )/ «. ~L, ;~%, u4;4_, ,:, rngn: c¢». rLu= ----- -g; ;;ug: ,eI/ L~s)/ . ... .. u;¢uLo1/'LJ: ~(J-{r’la; :;L‘§‘i_”/ "|:1l_'5'~'{-L‘f'. ,4l2 _u; ¢t7H/ L~JL-'-/ ‘o’u1’-u~rc)LP‘. §:? :£| ,:ti -‘¢ufi5': yL}”n: .J/ ¢J»"'(~, ~7—-(U: -i07:’{-:1 "" ‘i/ l.7‘. {‘L5.i-.43? -u9«uy: »’W'J/ Writing ‘teaching J. ,T L7f<; — : 9”! ” Lid’/5‘ _4u: ,ura.5,é{/ w%’~:7?u2aid/9%/6"J"= *£~«" . ... ,.7I/ toy
  4. 4. 4 5 8 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN [7Ih August, 1974 Let me explain-LJ1?{, J/Ca[. Q'Iz&¢? ;f: :;g; L§'. T,t3 J’: «J/ L,Jf_.2. uff ufcontext g/ l-L; J’u’. ?;, L g. ‘.’«u§: iI/ L'Ij/ -U. .7UL‘L/ LL5/-‘: "r "1-J. ’/. (‘J‘. <~"{‘kI5.{"~. ~t? ‘ —u]dbL”¢Cd/ §i(JI: ¢f. ‘;: /|/ ‘l: l)/ u= ~’Lu2uw/ Lu/50;? u. £:. @.J, o‘~‘fur: ,g'r-¢s, ‘~, uz ‘-‘us -J4wg: ;v/ tu/ -0’: ®Iu. '7K”:1I/ L~u; / ---- ~uL, u’t£; :,L_: -‘f-L{~. _,uz U': '—. ’3-U3;0>! (U': UflUV/ {L5/gfirnffd: -JQUQA--AIiy-'tU/ ' ww: ’wzuu». ,xu, /.u2,u: .rr/ .,: «gIa; g; / of, ¢e: L5z‘-7.. fl_u, ,"’L>. ;fz 95573105J'—u3’6A$«/ rkac/ hc. rurI: ;uJ4g / U_: ;[%r ~~~ -‘. <fTL)W)f“LJ! v3fl -u2£7«35»1:c, C5 TJ’v. I:A_:5’-C5f~, tz ~U~”‘}<J"1i: /‘fo: L¢u: I£(1J/ I$}I; fu; é'. ;,T, ;’§__: L;, §%5/, , Kgffns/ €JL! yo)§]. J/ulégl CROSSAEXAMINATION OF THE QADIANI GROUP DELEGATION 4 5 9 Lufz u_/ .-. ,.r'“aL»: .:‘/15/: «»«: '«n: I‘ufi’«s/ .*“': £/Q gj/ J/; r2u, aJ’9u-‘-d.0" I~/ »:L2JI-11.1’; /5’a: %,C_«Luf-uf/ J3’ _§_(KKJwJu, -ufi’}KKuUItz: I'/ fun -: ‘_. _,J1zq5,1d‘I; «:‘_(KK('}ta”r, ‘l: !:; !,,3"~; f“. ,«| Sz . ;_u5f»b’yt): lA2KugJJ, ¢(: ;/03’/ .~z. ::fi/ jg; -L}, ,72-flL}L’: "'J; w”? :"1J. ?‘5:~S, , “tJZJé"/ ”’31E7‘; t|Jf. i-. *t‘? ,, m:v, u;»¢: ,_1», *uu. ~,a, I,! -»w. iuz (fag; /., r'*. ay»: urfJ)d/ -03 5=w: f.¢l{Luz"' w¢£u»u.4w-u: zfuu/ ru/ §:Tfl’u”/7., TJt2gu; ;,_5/u1=»E“b? -rt? ‘-'Z. u_': right , .,T; ffu£g: u3zi7KKdx? ‘/Jfuz ; ._. x’". ~.; .,. J/n5,: _L£us. .—. ~2.ufM£&—uf=2v/ W/ _o“. /u1'7L. u1’mj_/ .g: flu . a1«, J:uf -. /'Qk= ’.: ’c, 65.»; , 2.»: ,7; at L. ,LwLguf7_C5;, ,,: .u: ‘I; u!: t2JI2 (,5 wmg: “. ..Ju_~. I;/5*” 2 L*JL. {“/521219. gtguu. j}‘»u«I.9»I-‘aa3/'L: “’u’~’/ ‘K/ "’7:‘, ¢ J/ ’u"u5 . ... .. J;, t_, g‘, Lty£k-)Ig', u:‘; 'g-Q9;-)L¢’_JJlw: o:§. _ memjdjg .1’ rung/ /V clarification . ;:! _,>uu/ uI;5"Cf”vt%
  5. 5. 4 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN [7l| ’I Augusl. 1974 . ~:s; ?és'u_7.7_/ clarification z_I¢. _3/15 ; .?, T ; {£24 J4’-/ clarification 2"»; /3’ ¢>l, d/‘flg. ‘.'é: (r+. -a/3/5u(. ::9:é; :g. T!.1,. >Lal]/2Jl_? "%Lf'»¢l32 . ... -»l: /u. ”7 ~d. :4—»-5»ufu. é/£«u= ’fa§4+~? :iwtv/ -unt1/tZ4.JIiK. ;.T. J/t;1:; t?%C, f§. _.tz Mr. Chairman: I think it would be better the witness should reply when the question is finished. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: I wanted to sum up the position. For two days, I have been citing authorities from your religious literature, Mirza Sahib ~~~~ ~~ Mirza Nasir Ahmed: And I have been trying to explain them. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: When you say, according to these <"_fy1l}; ./_/71:4". writings, a particular person is kafir, ‘a/ '5/éyou have been trying to explain that _J4la*l_¢': ’:f). .¢fi-I/ /. ‘.«:7explanation fl: l/‘____. TI. s7l/ ‘|: l)/ ?, :-un§1,¢~(_i£sum up it, /.f-‘¢lu7.*. ,Ua; :;l_. _?.7-gf'. _,l: >, ? u£’. »_g. £Jr fi-£ opinion :5 belief ‘Z I33; g’n’K. .,T _gj_2' 4;. //K interpretation l[_.7 9%/ ('_. .__a’ -. ,;_"u. pT. s©Jx; .3;w. ;:«Z. p.5>, ,z. é:zwcr; / CROSS—EXAMlNATl0N OF THE QADIANI GROUP DELEGATION 4 6 1 / ___. o’: J/9 3,/ .17/l/ U”? /6%1-5/‘U-7l5{‘3/ifitf-rt? f+ J’: ‘f: ,(L~)l; ’:{. ;.'I'9 .95», K/ ' 6,1“: /' £0;/ opinion express _u. v;. ;u»x+ou». .;y>v. a.w+; r.sW4+; nus, rom’ £3517 -uz’Lr: >.fu!2J‘sut«t£: x«/ tIJ/ ‘/ ,‘3;L'}7:fg1fg_. :g7T_unp/ explain w: ou4.¢, .;Wu»o; uu»xtp’u: emmr/ Kf¢0' M’ .5/. <..7./ :'c«~, «"’/ L}/ ~‘a_: la| .J/ lr. .’. ’fc‘—; _«v! Lr, J/'4 U5!?3i'/ "W/ ». e.puu». wr+ 0:-, u1"x: — . JJt-na atuamwz Lu£. :,gEmI: u;8fiAfiI. .5}’o‘Iaf{oL7Jr5/u7}us. rntfiidli’ (Jig,9:429utl/ ‘tn/ ;I: tnu3’uU/ laevfl-gz—u2’L5’lffLBuk< Jslcul. /L/ /5)/ U.p')‘UU/ L;J)d: ._L{‘/ )(Ja,4"UL4l/ ‘g= l;:5‘1~9f‘UuJ—’/ Q £_q_‘%UJ1”/ sluijxe. /:)1:'g%; f/71}: -t(L: J‘£5/U»*u/ LJ. ?LJ':13}:7 a’; a,¢ct. ;:o*; .ur‘. g_. /devil-wug‘ / '/’J*’”’£ugu/ J"’ o_: +,-, ,~«,4 Jiuxa owe», rw«rM, ¢ / W Mia: ,; L‘}l,7,b: ;._,6-, ,‘, m.. y:}_, .>Lafl. E:Ky.5+/ /’ issue all . ... .. ¢‘_L, /U€, ,,€_rb’K¢_? Q,. b1{_, ,,1.gt7gfirKKuL5tLg; yfgJ; ¢»7 _, ».-a, ,:: ./; l5r”. gw/ explain Aow. g;, l_: ‘r-; ;,‘~, c>. amluvl/ u_, ~ g. _§, I'l; £Jl{‘/ .’l{L; L£cJ'u]zl§¢'/3? . f”'ft, ,J’. »'_ or/1 E“iJ3a; l£c, (1JrI§}Iu: I”:9imJl. =-‘Pigf; .:? l«Cw| l;': {— Road them together.
  6. 6. 462 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN [7m AugusL 1974 _‘¢I, ¢,: “ruzuu‘/ ‘(, j”; ,;_y/ L,-/ _ <3/uru_r: £uLP, n’u’§z: g£m, §_u, ¢/7:A; ~%g3§, ,ug -fuIu3§~fuLP1f§; «éLI, £.o2»: :iwkI/7 ru«"i@. r4f: z«x. »é—v2»». ,.1unufu: u¢w»§¢<bf. ,cz _‘i/ guu/ Lf’y§‘: '«u_'7Z-, /6; -; ..Ju>uu“ru/ ura‘z-,7’”: zww/ -'. ,«L12:§fo1:: l'9:KJL«’: dg. ._U -J_/ verify __, T., ¢?. ;,g'£[f_, u3 U/4,—t3?L«(q‘:2:. '—‘1‘i= U1:= f/r’(). '. qLé«: .»L$/ F: '9,: iI/ ’L'U‘/ L-rez"v£s: 'f~‘/ J;e«£&rmr' 1s£J, J*”£ 5'}-,1“: /D; -I/ £gU; fi 5/9.ulrqgdififi77.-2:. /m; I_4LfJL: >1“$u/ uu "" "LLfL'fiL5J$o: .J/ c‘—sf«7/: .JL” U"{r*V'1"W-5'€—t«‘€U”’°’/9~r””: <=J’= /§3‘C§~«k $9 —t5"E‘»”/ ’t'J/ Y5w@7<—tfflwW7ufi’ééJ«9c. ut, c_= zE%’§vte --~--: ;n: "(<‘—J"u5’; 'u? ;5i‘/ ‘t! J/ c“. o:4)"'/ Zy/ b'1:1."'_¢)’{jL-J“'. J/§lw5u’.3;}’. uk. f): .CzWgE‘%. l12 JL. ~u. f.. _.2.K. :4;w/ :b-J11:/ yfKfi-'/ gT)'_; ’%1;, ggfygby _z»£.6u: r1,, g=*€; .e. ~s, CROSS-EXAMINATION OF THE QADIANI GROUP DELEGATION 4 63 .1’ cJ. ,?£‘—J~i’/ ~,v’L’U/ »J/ U1"'{r/4‘/ ¢vUl: f.U: ‘t5-Ufifi/ gilfvtz . ... ., ,., .g£w‘; )tQ, ¢€_(, ,(; cru/ um, ” g’, /,: ,_. ,.>L, ai]/ ,1/U_.2'. >:_’_’/ __. _,l'U(; ‘}: _"g . ... .. Q/ham . ... . , ;;I/ try J‘ z-, ;"’+ag; uLgwz. :f¢gL; ;;&rfl (5funLz4'u1»'«u3 -43-U5:t3’7:£J”tJ4L‘@; o/‘$3?/5'L: ‘LLf5:"fU/ U‘ _)Z; ¢L, J"‘ru/ !2nz~, J:; ’:gW1;§"‘, '~( ”: /g-'f~b§. ,t2 a'—~, J?_ dt= ?*'3’—}"” b.4’é. uf-.2.-~>&L5u/ i=/ I/tU/ -§uSmvK“ rurwz-, ;": w': u{ 1,7,; m. _,1b»d'fd‘Ka'_/2 Ju~v«£«u; ,,: ,L_: »'< / UL'7’Us’Li“superfluous J/ u‘3*J, rg/ _?‘¢/ /Ulr'5’IJ; L&Jl£Z= ,:/ u’{. _»>l.4 _gJ_5'c: _J ' -. ;5’: zr/ L-u/ ,4Wm462.; /=. g,, _Lg+, ,,r/ zW, =,gz¢§, cz ---- ~“9Z-uléafll/ is/ ’|: <.2;_L>fl-)fi/ Mt1)/ -. ,>l»; /qflflli/ :/9'3-¢f'. _«l’2. -u__7Z_. .mJlr7’| J 6”(jL. _Qu; ’:)IJ‘/ L"/ '/ . /3-ilgfvisuperfluous Mirza Nasir Ahmad: All right, take it as superfluous.
  7. 7. 464 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN [7m Augusi, 1974 . Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: I would not take it because, I think, he IS very carefully using these words; he would not use a superfluous word. ‘-‘. .->t_. .., n.51J$cC: l’a?3t; l¢Ft; /,; £_. :,T/ fizfl L5/-; «7c'_inteipretation L5/J$l5llL; .{Q'l‘Jf. "J, §i‘J_‘_i; /g? .LIf-_. ’t2 ~‘¢u5$§J: t2}I-unI, ;Lc1arafica: ion unI_u/ .>tJ: tz}I? g:: xI/ any 4-It£1191g—7ufi«q:91/; .g¢3a3:9,, t;, g.E / .K””‘rU. .‘. ”U: <_/ I:LUZ]? -5&4-rUM§1Lexplanation at ‘Lgvu/ ”’Z’h‘£-JD/ U_? §'fg: «T‘L{_l'@Jl$; rlJrl. }I; ;;I V -U5"'W/ L/: £fl§: A7‘/ i M‘/ 't<fu. na». f.suaJ+, unde. m.. dmg (j/ .:‘2/WL: £{‘__. l', z ~U. ?u3'luU/ U‘”(. ’?’€¥é'U’7‘—*’7‘l: .Wr: /‘U-’5Ul, r‘l4:‘(U5}LJ‘: ’t5”'fJfl -4.-~, r". iU’3‘; L.>"’: U{é. tll «J! +J¢: .;. I' explanation 5: .9 , i_; % . ~LJ_g'<"—/ <_)»_. _a7authorities Llié: é.; :lplu; ::f~1;l_Q3é_, L|_, >£é4»i_U: zflC ‘ -Zq: /Lry; C_: ,T; U;<'( v». fus%‘. u:. «'»: ,gc<; ;_i_. n Mr. Chairman: Now we are to break for Maghreb Prayers. CROSS-EXAMINATION OF THE QADLAN1 GROUP DELEGATION 46 5 The question of the Attomey—General remains unanswered. The witness may reply to that question. The question is: if the witness dubs anybody non-muslim, whether mat person has a right to ask them or not‘? Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: Yes. To that I am coming back because that has remained unanswered. Mr. Chairman: Because that was main question and that remained unanswered. [The Delegation left the Chamber. ] Mr. Chairman: The honourable members may keep sitting. (Pause) [The Committee of the House is adjourned to meet at 8.00 p. m. after Maghreb Prayers. ] [The Special Committee adjourned for Maghreb Prayers to meet at 8.00 p. m.] * [The Special Committee re-assembled after Maghreb prayers Mr. Chairman (Sahibzada Farooq Ali) in the Chair. ] Mr. Chairman: Should we call them? (Pause) gjc‘. /)3?§u: ..§_17J. §}7q, >l4L5z: /©i2rjl/1;/ :@'. '}. '§-. ¢Cz -t/ -’
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  16. 16. 4 8 2 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN (7th August, 1974 2_. ,_,7.. J_: ..«_U-u3‘é’: Jlr"3’l). -'Lillérufibl/ t3U¢'J1é. g:3/l. ;‘%l: ’:iv‘3? 154;. author : tf£_vz. u5?. ‘/f/ .r‘¢ . _G«*: .,r; _ u'. f2_¢x. (/. fb, ~( ‘-‘J5’ —Lf-? $L35(l§"$—4¢—1l'1c‘_('j‘*U’~‘-‘ilJ3‘-‘ft/ -‘ffl -EM(L~, J~UMlJZ»¢’/ U5-be-—§; v:‘c. f?%/ l.%l§~e'~? -/ ::LJlr<‘; _l, ::r. ,:.7,£. u"¢‘; .la!7z’_¢J‘. ;g/ !:£IL’; lZ! i/_ . _l. ¢<z, -«>4. . ,w, xg_; 2./ clear er». -J/ Jrwr -{V57 F v; A., !u; tJ; ’:, e_l/ vg . ... .. (uJ», _»€9.‘, >u». ¢t(; /’; r,g; ¢_’ 21.24 t+21—22—21—22 3"‘. ‘_, ,«7|. ,«}'*(”‘a, _._, :1l_}? -g§'. _,l:2 ~6- _u’£4_2L*7‘¢d3;ul. ,{, -J. <‘-_UI;2_/ .§§: L‘tii‘/ _ : uns§t>JgA; gu1ut25‘-Cf"~. ~t>. ‘7--~-~4b; ,glJ; rg; §laCJ/ l3l[yJ= egJl_. gKfl}JQ_Ji5”’ -Zq/ ’.. l_. ,/. >_. .J/ La7Lg~’/ J(i. .___, I' -“u»,2,/ t'5mj«, ,:. t-J: ,;,9., t~/4.7; . ... 4.52}y§e? q’:4;6’a; :%t‘/6:8Kg§l;5;? :£fl AAAA ~-r1V'¢k5T£§—z/ a/)2»-Jzutcrufil/ t3‘C$§~«| ¢? CROSS-EXAMINATION OF THE QADIANI GROUP DELEGATION 48 3 9’! o’:2_. u! j'/ .4./ :2;/ ladzé .14’ "r'tU| ._. _Ji 6” : /I/ L‘ 11/ -9l_g’/ J70/’ that may explain, will notjustifyrJ. uC, ,cu’. ?(<t/ .‘3/I/ l_}°~'; -Lf'. ... tz that is what I am trying to explain. Mirza Nasir Ahmad: That, that . ... ... .. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: You may say that . ... . . . Mirza Nasir Ahmad: No, no, no . ... .. . . Mr; Yahya Bakhtiar: I will ask you a simple thing . ... . . . —u4wv'2w= fi/%W ? Vina‘; Ul, »y; ... ..U, ':f, I,e£7fltj.5;§3gf‘. ,.l: z ~v«z: u:’du«ul: ut= £v/ fl 2;’. /é«u_3‘d'l. liféu. ‘IcJl, w9l7n¢kfZ. ._Q{o€: )l}%gf‘gl:2 OFd”: Lux"'rZ. }§¢J5f~(LJ:1J’-g7”U-Wl’&'(U1'~‘}l; 'T'Z, ,Lf”Ll/ Q] Is this a defence? Mirza Nasir Ahmad: No, it is not. I am not a fool to say that it is a defence. ---- ma? ;-gur1t¢zJr; wz«. @,; ,g, ;,gz; §,t~e L, "~l'/1': __«é—I am sorry. .K/ l¢: ‘?“Lfi‘.7ij. '.'_l5£g_)2'.7}. ;'aLL5/'3a~"/ "7‘J'/ -t/ ,t»z”a. v;t, gu: ».4’ur'. ,.7/’. atwu: “'
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  20. 20. ‘()0 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN [7Ih August. I074 -L2gm’/ /}_z¢. ur. ’l? ;,‘g ¢Luy/ Ifu:1:; C.}" . ~x1:/ I/’tI; / fk/ .". ¢’4’: ”J}/9U*2f. ~(¢5-U”? /-¢'QU: ’kx-iigaiévt? —u, :uyWwlfzin/ ::€(7£! :J'9a£2uWLum , ~,/ *ag. :_s/ =d/ ,A£v»s—L. ~’ 2. at fly :2!/ L’ 42/ -¢, ¢.(/ I7£_utzJ_/ mfg _-, ,,/ J/s£ug»; ,fq/ explain . ,T :19‘! -Q54». i«J. :uWi—uz"—. »>-~C¢wGi-uf= _»f; U4 : L.gJ. ¥j‘/ .L/2:1:| Lf1J>J|53'. 'vL"| ,_-5:275’ 5;? 3q; gy€/ flit} udtgyu/ FIG; /dbl; ‘t5:U5}<$lQ. £L/ JVGJ/ yI«£2.LJJI -, au. ~“’2aK, -u:6»flr" Lgu1J5vdw? f_. »wL/ u-‘s physically/ Tu: uf~”%: rt1J*~Jw"~‘f«23 4 -, —T= xE~"'C>f"~. —tz ‘->9 _, g,,14‘_r1LJI, _J: €. gfunL>, Qiu1’-L>fu3’L{u£ :1:/ ray J, !—dmC'¢v£ umc, Jug 2. Jr-'1 uixraz J as am, on —L5J<J1‘; L$b’~4jc—.3/’ 49+ -—= ~'>im»: zu= c:/2 »| +t‘IJ1’J§. lfiK; fl«‘¢€ {, ;d; ;uaz‘¢. :.. §q; :’: ;I/ tI; / -+rru: ¢/uriuyruzrwafl CROSS-EXAMINATION OF THE QADIANI GROUP DELEGATION 49 ] ? Za14_’_''«: '‘? -.«gL§. fI»’| /'‘l: l/'/ , —unU»: {¢d~‘«cJl’7 1§3'Cii—gC2 ‘. ’2f4y1¢; .’/ .-'. ,», ‘?. .fl: : . J/§y, ..@; !/; ;., _Q(f~’: ,s7i/ 't! J/ a"‘.9a: (.Jsaw: ..a"‘.9Wu/ .caf~g: ¢<c§, u ‘fa WUfifflav’-+2—’16/»Jv§‘+2-'1-96 . E.~_¢yu'BMJwz+u‘7;Q:1wtz; / AAAA ~e/ "L5:’: L5“’! >’c3'»1'v«tJ-"{aJ1"; =zl§“"CJ§_, —te . ... ..%, ,.«: ,;. ,.L. ,,. , ‘-‘Kuv+w«'5fwze"f4 uidsmw/ unt2Qut-KaI‘¢w(5m~/ us’ J“gu: :,zu, «=tu/ -+9Ae2’~. —/”-5/’n51—2l, v.¢ ‘-‘, ¢l: fi:r~. v”. ":¢.7E’£a/ <L: —L57:3«fg/ (3/9."t'>§‘~, «tz —L’57d3;? .‘U/ dirév9L[Ju%‘u5§iwts; / »~9-«J. :u: «*"i, ruz. af4.. arunL2r, u:»g»? -céyue 1’1‘)‘~. J‘<J"“"v9&/9!-, ¢?7//5%JgWUa‘tJZL/ /GL§L<? VafiC! <' w~§2u. n5Jf_; caflsw2uI*-"”L». f2.ugfiutufiw t: <u. ré'«. s': (-m, ¢2.u. p«5,n~; J**”’L&. ~,. »»>" «u_? ZL62¢Lrflr, -g_ré'(, ,a: .géLafJIJLéu‘? Lfi: »'«£ ? uu__: 'concep1ions . .il3ij. ‘.’; /l. .£Lfi~. —il3’L‘4—c/ ‘.7; U
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  22. 22. 494 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN (7th August. 1974 (u». ¢u¢<‘. rWe/ repeat , u¢«c‘—y’u"/ ,Lu1:zL"»"~C: ’f*. ,.L2 £u: ft/5-4- U1" ~11/‘ cfl/75 {£V>"¢: -—UL{"JL’1g fa! 4173' v9 wu: e£éw. .». wz L/ -LL‘ «saw me cw» . _,__. ,_«? uo. gJimwrite: /:-‘rMa»&f’ura—’rw“6 14¢! » W’ 2. oz’! 6!: KJua, :’q_coneepnon , Kw, ‘ L»: J""’2: us .02 Z —e*7~r’~*’55J'—+9m/5 K. r"’Z<2«k0=1w32i—’ Mi fir-“L5}’t§rIVI4vc$’-‘gad/ ’JCr£J/ ¢—‘UlgtJ= uw: u5JuI” ? +«f? Lfi: &u$°; u5=‘}: ‘*7’reI2’ M’ uf*U'ru1 zgtgz Mr. Chairman: Again this question may be repeated, yes. The witness has not followed the question. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: 1 will repeat. _ J5‘-‘¢'e"1.i, "LJ-’5-43'. ’/‘. ;L'J7/~/1'Vtfié-UV. "/V-'74 I-J’-u. rruJverou’r-‘xlw ---- ~f€c»4Gw -3:/ Leaxeuszflvgz —€C:4s33:ufi’= /I2“-'u’f~. ..t>. -"€C: %.1;I, «a”: ‘,ml! Ku1:‘/ .‘.77:/ I/‘tI)/ ---- "U, '2'£—U%Vg: /‘. .;? '(‘5.. €'. “t’- Mr. Chairman: Let the question be put. F3wLu: /Itugzfifiosfuzuzxfiulzfcxrzgidsfete ae. ~.. »>*ts-.9su. :u: <*‘. srw. trts: s CROSS»EX AMINATION OF THE QADIANI GROUP DELEGATION 4 9 5 JfimvruJ: ,Jq5/té, I-ufii;1mJfK€L, a;: ,uazxwcay ~€-ifwf: -5&0?/ ‘K9’? /r3KU'G-”4?’J5’J£<, £.—Jl>7Lu9»I§ (tun V)’ repeat / -33$ ---- --. ,>L. aU/ L J 1&2? J}’J: «:‘? n:”*-9» U(, ,<”uz <”. fe»w"‘rM-_J»<J*~"’u2 If Physicailynot , '/_l: ‘¢j)Iconcep[ Kgu. Uj'0n_, g.{_, ,L: u Ytheoretically , »1LJv, ,1s6u¢IK L-; I?g. ;,2j£(, ;4,-, :,a”;3n, ;:. ,.>. :1t-u, -A nctxffl/ cJT}/5w’~rnufi’7?—5)’L5’ ? +~"~; ‘?J33:9:O’~= J§~"<': :ielk -L'3:| .Zu'Z", uir: :uf/ l?. o:I: ?_fl_ M71}? V/"UEJUkafibfltj/ t£.7a: ::'7e»? -l¢. :'31L, :?&LE‘, «lZ2 ? u5;uyt»: IuL: v:sfJ, »uJ: ,y¢<‘ 455:‘; /5u£J. ’"‘m? L»£Ju5ufi Ku. »;’Lngg; I,Lfi:1v/ L'v; / -df? ut’ut2tuL: I»J; uJ» "a'E; D,‘J“'¢: z£)gtJ, ’U. t1)"‘; rlLJ’{J‘&': €J‘r1lJI»: k6:Jt. :/‘ZKPE2 ‘-‘U1; 072/ U1; «J5/7 ~. J‘ €11/<1 JU-5‘u' 9: q¢L7u1' obifi KU; 'J57;_'}>' :1:/ L-1,7 -uf? u5’uk'tuL: !:J¢uJ: t3"u’~'/ ehvi Jfiflimuxyuggphysicaliy UL)‘: L5/€624 cfxfd: uiguyt ug,1,J'»uJ¢__, J¢'r. ‘,z uf, ;., EL? %‘u»~”lfw. ‘"’u2L'
  23. 23. 496 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN [7m Augusl, 1074 , -3a. .4,»Jw«+t7u: #’ur; /Grwuzrawézwwx ‘ , ~&*'u5’uffi/ t-J7/' Vt! -"~03Jzfvfiszhe/ :‘: uL1': t3/Jw‘U§“C5E-at? -gu: »*'/ irurutg/ of/ “:1 f»__. ,JJvt{, _;1}_gTg'3%/7Ku: .étu; ’2bL3:'/ era‘/5'3Jl-? ;t: §'~r1? ‘ w: ~’t, «uf’LLTu3}’s/ ‘uf’ut2tuL: ': Ku: :’tuz»‘: Jt-J'«K_/ /5Vr! V’~.1‘5~*~/ ”’4°—fig 07} 1:’‘_/ ’‘i . ... .. fL; n_5/‘t_, J’J; %;frll»’I, _Ja€fi2.fi/ uT}.5/Put/ :Ll[J3’}'3 .4. g: ’H‘Jfg: ’-mx't-uzfiiluifi? l=2E‘b1i-«V2 -«J~'~"cuLv/ ‘L97/7:‘-<>~+‘5’3:‘v"E-%‘= tfi"7%Fk/7*" Ku: ::t<u. _{Jl: t)(u'<L_fu? :Lf3yUT; ’?UJ'<. J‘€Lfi;5»‘7'/ ‘tU/ kJl? A’7~kJ"’it5€-"41!/ ht}/ ¢.—'/ .., afar u: "»uw“l2¢ «4/W'/5 3/ . .2s¢: _rm_, ,;. ‘{, a:. ;,/ /t-; LJs tj. ”.; io. /uL2':1:'UEL'U~; d/d'”3f‘¢“€H'§LJl: £~r3‘/ ';: ‘;<£§'-rt? .. .. . .“1,4»/ ,‘; /:: J5.~? :l{. ?,T; g;5:Cu’-gf. ; uT}ruytui: uJa’~rWu: ’2;£rIV21=€/ 'w"/ t'J/ -u»~“L5Jsufi¢/ 91/-=4: ufphysically l¢U5}t9-“*-‘$59!: ‘fphysically _; /'3;, f—"-é’/ ‘L97/~Ktfi— on / (,7), -,4 ; ;_¢: _~, , gfl’2=i:1I/ L~i; / CROSS-EXAMINATION OF THE QADIANI GROUP DELEGATION 41) 7 ‘. '4J:1’¢‘}L«-°. :;t_, "3.5~Lf. i.. _,l'2_ - -ufi; §§. .Qasu. ?;gfi; ;é«; :iI, ;tIJ/ ~§-*-'. G£4.. ’.‘. ;‘llJ€'~. ~‘3? This is a good answer. Ch. Jahangir Ali: Mr. Chairman, 21 point of explanation. -é:4£JQ, ."'0l"l1Jl<J£C}{. .§J‘/3£L), f L»: Mr. Chairman: No, no, this is no point of explanation, Chaudhry Sahib, this you can talk to the Attorney—General privately. -t»: vo’. =J‘n%m: ---- --: ?<J5<—/94:1)L‘~>P’U’{'_-; «LrtJW§‘3/lf‘; 3Ci-rt? _tJ. vzt‘/ J:/ finE? /:ui"7:Q: /f, /GLg. $9:: .«7y-’tIJ/ fig? /7_rLaW”: u:, ,¢: /g: Jy>a . ... "U-_j‘7/z3f]U1L,4 -unCC/ _~, /rind/ ?g: -umnE£ug: /w: n;/ . ... ... .. if you are tired .5:/ L}? -[f. ,Q Mr. Chairman: The delegation is permitted to leave: to report tomorrow at 10.00 am. The honourable members may keep sitting. [ The Delegation left the Clzamlzer)
  24. 24. 49 8 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN 17th August. [974 REVIEW OF PROCEDURE AND PROGRESS OF CROSS—EXAMINATION Mr. Chairman: Now we can discuss for a few minutes. z¢_“i’a, s;‘: J_9.g. ,r= ‘:. .g»;7r,5.-. v._(n_. ,>utsmeiruztux .1/<1#! c:t: §l3J/ KJg; )JtJf: ¢J_'2'é/ /gy. ’."g5f7LrU: ’?gLr+L)_L;3 A; the Attomey—General, if he likes, 9(7)’ proceed U57-_a‘ can continue with the same procedure of question—answer and the explanation or, if he likes, the Steering Committee can meet, whatever he likes. I would like it as he says, because I had made a promise that, after three days, we will review the situation. I would like to hear the Attomey—General. Mr. Yahya bakhtiar: I will try to explain because there is some difficulty. I cannot say in advance where I‘ am proceeding, because much depends on answers . ... . . . Mr. Chairman: You should not tell your strategy; you need not disclose the strategy. Mr. Yahya bakhtiar: .. ... .. but I am halfway through it; and I would need some more time before we can come to the conclusion. Mr. Chairman: Yes. Then, tomorrow evening, we shall again review the the situation. These is no need of the Steering J/ u‘_c: ¢_[: .4J/ J{: rc)l—U.7f&§tL’: U.’.7} Committee meeting tomorrow tomorow J/ i_[1/K inform I/ L-Jl that we will discuss it ; J_‘ 1/ inform you are not needed. _. ;_. ~,; tgn. ,.>uu: ;5,. t:z: C§m3I/ J/Iatitur Lf'tJ3-‘fir-r’b'”’é; ¢J. .“L7’j’lJfi(‘3Jl! l J-’"/ '7/; '«. J5tJl_J>c. / —<. —~.5“cc/ ’ 1 only wanted just . ... ... . . .:<"_. ._C; Iu'. '5/'§. ,l12 REVIEW or PROCEDURE AND PROGRESS or CROSS—EXAMINATION 4 99 Lflatitude Uié .1’ ad’! L}? -56'! /J/ f: u5ru'-':1t_3?~[; ’_{~_', t;? -*4/: ’~:7/G4‘f”"‘T-C7l’J£1'7-.5?‘-’ fa AAAA ~+’»‘: f«/ ‘/gu-“o. L~§ ‘L3’: /"3~, —«l'»?1d: /Gil; /_all2 1+Lkrtfiitzxi: /it? /Jéisuv-tujtg; r7~F. /~«f. / téft. rm. irwr.1t5~, /J/5 utrtiuis ’ 1;/ ._. i>_ _uj’T/ ref; /‘, ;*Jj, a4/s. J'~@*. ,M~a£, ,;; ~. Mr. Chairman: This is uncalled for; these remarks are unc;1llC(l for. —LJ3'£: _Ju/ f."privately J: -)l__. _,T. ;@lQ‘. !¢_), ,,~""qz_5|{_. _., ‘;; , _9l[9’9¢”~ha€é)7xgJ__{l;1ujéo1l_. .,: .li: J;/ St . byibxtg -’[—L§J’5t§’JJJKf§—l¢’/ t5‘¥7.5_u. ’f_utq_7LT(, L:g‘1j-, §,_, t;; —L_U: ;v; l . "" ‘-~v€étJ')[6l#; ___«7:4/L-Jfighja/ l5C. I). ~‘i_. l.Z2 (e>1I'Lo) --->-r¢J__: ’£. .G’la: ,1/t, {_? c"_z. [aJl7U: ’/fl: /§_3'5 ': _., L;; _witness ‘éentitled ¢, JfL: g.", ’ ‘sit’ . ”:L’? Cl"KUU/ Ufé-~13/UJ%; ’o:2d/ ;]UlE"ij, »‘t1J, »‘ -t‘. v:u’. ’*;
  25. 25. 5 ()0 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY or PAKISTAN [7th August. 1974 £f, l.: I;, J/u_f‘£__; .., fl-): ‘£! ?o; lufiffi-. ,«tzIL5/; )tJIE£"i4«‘t1J. »* [Z U1) t5»af_, >LauL«-. ~3£; u rt} Q, /J/ gt Iwfig/ tr? a witness is entitled to certain consideration if he says that he is not feeling well. One thing more I want to say. So for as the strategy is concemed, the House has complete faith in the Attorney—General. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: I am very grateful, Sir. The thing is this: there are two difficulties—One is that many honourable members have asked many question. I amn trying to fit in those in various subjects. Mr. Chairman: Yes. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: Now, there is a subject of Kufr. There is a subject of his claim and right that “ifl am a Musalman, nobody has a right to call me that 1 am not a Musalman”; and I am saying: “Whether you conced the same right to others? If you call others that they are Kafir, then they have a right to call you Kafir. ” That is very obvious. Now we are in the grip of that subject. Apart from that, now comes the qestion of Jehad. That is a different subject because if somebody devices essentials of Islam, then he is Munkir. That will come in a different way. Similarly, what he did about the British . ... .. . . Mr. Chairman: No, No, you know better how to put the questions. We want only one thing. What the desire of the House is that when a definite question is put—now we are confirming them: the witness—they should first answer the Attomey—General. REVIEW or PROCEDURE AND PROGRESS or CROSS-EXAMINATION 5 0 1 Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: My own viewpoint is that if he does not answer, at that I will leave the subject; then come back . ... . . , Mr. Chairman: Yes, then again come back; and then to be taken unawares. One thing-I want to ask one more question that tomorrow, we will not be able to finish it. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: I do not think so. Mr. Chairman: Ido not think so: we do not think so. So, the Lahori Party, which we had called for tomorrow. .. .. . . (Interruption) Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: No, not even Friday. h Mr. Chairman: Noteven Friday, so, they may be informed I at. ... . Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: Saturday or Monday. Mr. Chairman: Saturday or on 20th, according to . ... . . .or not even on Saturday. So, it will not be tomorrow. 'f’3(t‘*~aUA'f”"U-7;5’L. :‘. ;‘l‘j. :~rt9 then we can formulate and study all the aspects. Mr. Chairman: Yes. We must have some break. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: Sir, my own view is that _ 1 do not know if our witness is coming from Lahore —— Now a lot of things that we have on record, we will have to get out of Lahori Patty. Mr. Chairman: Yes. So, tomorrow, I will announce . ... . . . Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: So, we can fully prepare after we have read then evidence; then I will ask the questions. We should not do it in L1 huny.
  26. 26. 5 ()2 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY or PAKISTAN [7|l August, I974 Mr. Chairman: Yes, we are not in a hurry. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: We can have a break for ten days in between. Mr. Chairman: Yes. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: It makes no difference. We can examine them later‘, and that will take a day or so. Mr. Chairman: Tomorrow I will be able 10 tell the honourable members the tentative programme also; and then we will discuss it. In the meantime, the Lahon Party may be stopped from coming tomorrow, yes. Now I want to. ... . Sardar Maula Bakhsh Soomro: Sir, a minute. (Mian Muhammad Attaullah stood up. ) Mr. Chairman: Mian Attaullah. Sardar Maula Bakhsh Soomro: My submission, Sir, .. ... . . . Mr. Chairman: I have given the floor to Mian Attaulah. Then afterward. ... . L/ .¥: L..17.J/ k‘: ’r+t3?t.5’/ W'~, u'Ljgy-'7!”"*= rt? ‘*l"’U’-‘jU. V fL2t: ,tgt~/ acid L-51.5/utw ~-9Jt5'= —J'/ Jfitgxvfrrkfi ‘L/ J/‘, r:, ,g: _: . ... .4;gy, g;, ,,c. ;/wfraafteinoon z-,7 _. ,l/ €_tj. §"¢/ (L/ /tJ: ;:'/ L!Li§: (.? «T§: .lcJ: -‘>l£. ;'L; ~=«[r'I? .«rUfc—/ um: /bound c. us; ulfulgg/ ’éL2»It}yKt5zL. ux" 2%. , { ff Q3‘ main subjects A51); -3. definite answer a, J/ s|‘¢l, ‘J/ ¢'__’, .>L, aL, l/'7. (3/Blfk? /fil/ :ltJ__7éytgtli/7u'2(comer) RI‘; V1Ew op PROCEDURE AND PROGRESS OF CROSS-EXAMINATION 3 U5 / '/K! /ul/7 L5f'JJ'gJ’3J. — on‘, subjects t-Jlfun t‘/ Jlil by L vi ¢". J_l_, '>'/ .{-LJ_: lg'L/ I add . :.; _1a'. TJI; ra”*_: e5”z: L;: -t; _/’ (corner) I . /:£u: U¢, .r Mr. Chairman: Haji Maula Bakhsh Soomro. Sardar Maula Bakhsh Soomro: Sir, ... ..the expression that there is going to be ten days‘ break, from which date? It is lying in abeyance. My submission is that the continuity should not be broken. Only for two or three days you can. Mr. Chairman: No, we will finish one subject and then we will start the other subject. Continuity will not be broken, take it for granted, continuity shall not be broken. We cannot leave it in the middle; we cannot leave the witness . ... .. . . Sardar Maula Bakhsh Soomro: Sir, ten days‘ break is a long period. My submission is . ... . . . ' Mr. Chairman: I-Iaji Sahib, I may tell you that this witness will finish. It may take us ten days. And after that we will think. because you need time for preparation. You do not know how much hard labour the Questions Committee and the Attorney— General have put in: You can ask Mufti Mahmood. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: Sir, I want to explain to Haji Sahib that after this record is preparecl—-—last night, we received the record at half past two—only the first day's proceedings Now. unless we read it all . ... .. . . Mr. Chairman: There lies a great difficulty: we have no automatic reporting machine. Mr. Yahya Bakhtiar: .. ... .. and prepare our case accordingly. Mr. Chairman: Hakim Muhammad Sardar.
  27. 27. 504 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN [7|h Augusl. 1974 Mr. Mohammad Sardar Khan: I want to bring it to the notice of this honourable House that the main question, I should say, before the special committee or the Assembly is as to what is the status of a person who does not believe in the finality of the Prophathood. That question or that point is still untouched. Mr. Chairman: it will come; it will be taken up. It will come at its proper place. And Muulana Zafar Ahmad Ansari and you may not be knowing at what time the question is put. Yes. Maulana Zafar Ahmad Ansari. WRITTEN ANSWERS TO ORAL QUESTIONS IN THE CROSS—EXAMINATION ,2Kgngwg/ ifuntatgw; t;: !un, ,.uz: i51u3I1w/ cur a: at/ . J} {}b’— Llg J; JIy'! ,l-viJw: .7_ {[65/‘L g, ~,~’l, J./1’ annoy gfl/ :;! (b)‘{‘)’c'u. a€LJL;7,J}l~(J3 g: J.'. 'LL’/ '/'9' . ~,t't, .i5_/ jZ usgssfqf discourage / L/1,»? rJ_/ offered sq)’ J 3;}; eI-. ;.t; :’e. /,/ Jr/ pins: :€; igx,1/H, atfiu, fg. unt; ; oi: J/ /7J9t-g_: 2__: e: gs? ufis mt tug egg ¢>tJir. »? 5.a)l.4 -¢: _v6l; /§§6£fiU372.: {/; .:; J'55.-(2.7;id»/5 . ~J1s4Ju. (fla. u:-t)euz. p; u_L_) on tit fly, tut; L:7v. f:; _ J9, t-4 I; /.ufL-, /sg . ?.T. t;_/ ’ inconsistent 2 . .9fc, ,expen‘enee tgu/ -9 Sn contradiction the more he speaks, the more—9strain {patience ¢_1lrzgJl, (,~‘¢ he becomes inconsistent and contradictory. So, I would not stop. him. Mr. Chairman: Yes. we will try that the less he gives in writing, the better it is; and the less he reads is also better. Now, the WRl'l‘I'EN ANSWERS T0 ORAL QUESTIONS IN 'I‘HE CROSS»EXAMlNATl0N S 0 5 stage has come when only oral answers and brief answers are needed. Any honourable member who would like to say anything? Some Members: Nobody. Mr. Chairman: N 0, no; most welcome. Thank you very much. We shall meet tomorrow at 10.00 a. m. [ The Special Committee of whole House adjourned to meet at ten of the Chock, in the morning, on Thursday, the 8the August, 1974.] | ’(l’l’l llJ‘)l( I0) N. -'—2l—2~Z0| le—400.
  28. 28. No. 04 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN PROCEEDINGS OF THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE OF THE ‘WHOLE HOUSE HELD IN CAMERA TO CONSIDER THE QADIANI ISSUE OFFICIAL REPORT Thursday, the 8th August, 19 74 (Contains Nos. 1-21) CONTENTS Pages I. Programme for sittings of the Special Committee . ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. . . 510-5 ll 2. Message of Thanks from Senate and National Assembly of Turkey for support on Cyprus Issue . ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . . . 51 I (Conlinmzdl PRINTED BY THE MANAGER, PRINTING CORPORATION OF PAKISTAN PRESS. ISLAMABAD. PUBLISHED BY THE NATIONAL BOOK FOUNDATION, ISLAMABAD.
  29. 29. Steering Committct: Meetings , . Foundation Stone—laying Ceremony of the Parliament House Adjournment ot’ the Special Committee . ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. . . Cross-examination of the Qadiani Group Delegation . ... .. . . Written Answers to Oral Questions in the Cross-examinatio Irrelevant Answers to Questions in the Cross-examination Supply of Quotations for asking Questions . ... .. Time for Answering Questions . ... ... ... ... . . . Written Answers to Oral Questions in the Cross-examinatio Questions Based on Documents not readily available Admittance of visitors during sittings of the Special Committee . Vtethod of Asking Questions during Cross-examination Production of Books/ Documents for Quotations cited in the Questions. Repetition of Arguments by the Witness Cross-examination oftlte Qadiani Group Delegation Quotations Unsupported by Original documents (‘toss-examination of the Qadiani Group Delegation Interruptions by the Witness while a Question is put Cross-examination of the Qadiani Group Delegation — (Caimnued Procedure and Strategy for further Cross-examination . ... ... ... ... .. . . 5Il-512 512-514 514 514-546 546 546-547 548 548-549 549 549-550 550 551 55l-552 552-553 553-590 S90-59.”! 593-626 626-627 627-664 664-668 No. 04 NATIONAL VASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN PROCEEDINGS ‘ OF THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE HELD IN CAMERA TO CONSIDER THE QADIANI ISSUE OFFICIAL REPORT Thursday, the 8th August, I 974 (Contains Nos. 1-21)
  30. 30. -. - .4’ ‘ ' . NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN PROCEEDINGS OF THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE HELD IN CAMERA Thursday, the 8th August, 1974 The Special Committee of the Whole House met in Camera in the Assembly Chamber, (State Bank Building), Islamabad, at 10:00 of the clock, in the morning, Mr. Chairman (Sahibzada Farooq Ali) in the Chair. RECITATION FROM THE HOLY QUR'AN 509
  31. 31. 510 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN [am August, 1974 PROGRAIVEME FOR SITTINGS OF THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE Mr. Chairman: Before the Delegation is called, I just want to tell the honourable members that we have finalised the programme to some extent. The Assembly will sit upto 13th because, on the l4th, we are laying the foundation stone of the National Assembly Building. So, it would have been very inconvenient for the members if, after the break on the 10th, the members would have gone; and if they had not come to attend the ceremony, which is mostly for the members of the National Assembly, it would have placed us in an awkward position. So, upto 13th the Assembly will continue. We will finish . ... ... ... .. Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqui: 14th? The invitation will be issued by the Speaker of the National Assembly? Mr. Chairman: No, it will be, the invitation will be by the Minister-in-Charge of CDA because they are piloting it. That was my proposal. They are building it, so the invitation should go from them. Indirectly, it is our function . ... ... .. . . Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqui: Indirectly, we are the hosts‘? Mr. Chairman: and indirectly, we are the hosts. So, we will complete the examination of Mirza Nasir Ahmad and of Lahori _, party. If we complete it by 10th, on the 11th is Sunday. On 12th or 13th, we can meet as National Assembly. So, we won't be missing those two days; we would utilize those two days; and than the break of a week or ten days can be after 14th. Instead of 10th to 20th, it will be from 14th to 21st or 22nd or 23rd. Prof. Ghafoor Ahmad: The Assembly and Special Committee both? Mr. Chairman: Yes. Prof. Ghafoor Ahmad: The Assembly and Special Committee both? STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS Mr. Chairman: The Special Committee and Assembly both, because both are running side by side. The preference is given to this work—the Special Committee. And we will know from the Attomey—General as to how long, after today's sitting, we need to sit. After every day's work, we survey the work. And this might, we will again survey the work as to, here long we will take. Then we will call the Lahori Party. And I think we will be able to finish by the end of this week. I think so. I think this programme is agreed to by everyone? Members: Yes. Mr. Chairman: Thank you very much. MESSAGE OF THANKS FROM SENATE AND NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF TURKEY FOR SUPPORT ON CYPRUS ISSUE _Mr. Chairman: I have received messages of thanks from the Chairman, from the President of Senate and from the Speaker of National Assembly of Turkey, and thanks to all the members. They have desired that their thanks may be conveyed to all the members of ghis National Assembly for their support, for their good wishes an . ... .. . . Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqui: Point of information, Sir. Mr. Chairman: .. ... .. and they have ‘also reciprocated the same. Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqui: Thanks for what? Mr. Chairman: For the. resolution, for the message we sent on the Cyprus issue. Yes, Mian Mahmud Ali Kasuri. STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqui: What about the steering Committee, Sir? 5ll
  32. 32. ATIONAL ASSEMBLY or PAKISTAN [am August. 1974 N . 512 ? L;Zgfij%;5ft? . . . 3 b h Maulana Shah Ahmad N(‘)0l'anl_Slddlqllctn; Vha[ a out t e Steering Committee? Are you going to fix some Mr. Chairman: What? . . - -. h Maulana Shah Ahmad Nooranl Slddlqul. .. ... .. for I 5 Steering Committee? Véfd/ U*, ¢_#: f// _:'/49?-. /’(, Jf‘J’l; ;.i: L/'9J{, J___: ,T: ijfll/1'56/,0); in éggjfgiflfidégfgljfljasrflifig-ytfl ‘ the entire HouseA>! £_L‘9:(c«l/ .i: :.(L}/ :1 discussed all the matters. ‘. ‘gfi‘; L<‘_(j'U: ’:'. »€'{L. ;!(L§/ k)2'rv€}'f/ *¥': ljg""'J, ‘5_t_”°’Z' my :22.’ L" 2 an :6. Hi J/6%’ = ' ) - . 1 . ~ I L r_ W . ..§/ . than we survey the entirec". U17 U1»: Y’ I“ ’& ‘ L ‘tie can , . < - ' mmi e Sltuauonl Afier that, if’ there ‘St I‘]ete'd, til: yizelrillirleg af(: er this break meet any time. There IS no res ric ion. . for lunch, you can meet in the evening at any time. That is up to the House. Yes, Mian Mahmud Ali Kasuri. FOUNDATION STONE-LAYING CEREMONY OF THE PARLIAMENT HOUSE . - ‘ . . ! .. ... .. Mian Mahmud All Kasuri: Mr. Speaker, Str, ... . oh b Mr Chairman, Sin I wanted to know if the Presidentthas een invited for the National Assembly's Sl°“C‘1"1)/ ingv f°“. "dat‘°"'laymg . . - ' ‘ 1 th ceremony‘. and if he IS g0'“S ‘° be Prescnh 15 he going to ay 0 foundation—stone? (Interruption) FOUNDAUONSTONBLAWNGCEREMONYOFTHEPARUAMENT 513 HOUSE Has he been invited? _tJ: 'r Q? Q: I6”: .'dJ: "J‘J: ;gJ_l_/ And if he has been invited, is he going to lay the foundation—stone‘? Mr. Chairman: I have already told that the invitations have been sent by the Minister-in-Charge ' Mian Mahmud Ali Kasuri: No, no, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Sir, Mr. Chairman, Sir, that will have an important effect. If the Head of the State is in the town ---- -I and I am told that he is issuing invitations for the reception ---- »- then we would like to know: is he going to be present at this function? And if he is going to be , insulted like this, then some of us may not come. Mr. Chairman: No, no, these remarks should not be made. Mian Mahmud Ali Kasuri: No, no but I want to convey the sentiments of some of the members at least to you. And I am sure the whole House will like the ---------- -» Mr. Chairman: No, Iwould ---------- -- Mian Mahmud Ali Kasuri: <<<< -- Head of the State to be respected to the utmost. Mr. Chairman: No. Now we may call them. .. ... ... . . .j', i}CgU'_', vdg_fi>. ;; p,, E3/_~}, { or/ ‘Li <’—N‘£. ",~; au»: .,2L= u_v«ufi’ id: /"? ~,«ll2 -i, ?.tJ’J/ ?.: .t; C.-g5; Yes. -Jn u5’. _a; i9"J; §’. ?.T/ ;1u_r ix! umt/ .§, T true :5/#7J‘»-Qt» Here lies the-l: fid-7:07 dz’ iulg : . _.l'e difficulty.
  33. 33. 514 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN 18th August. 1974 -c‘_l: l>. .*J5I¢Lu: .~"I. ..__(. : . .g1,i: g:; &., .tz lib}; /.': ’:{«LE ADJOURNMENT OF THE SPECIAL COMNIIITEE Yfn Kw) ¢_)'. !,_. _: ‘.0! L 9): ; 5’)’s'; l}JlZ§ : A7lJ)i; f§){ Mr. Chairman: A week or ten days. ‘$0’. til»? /.‘: ’:4 Mr. Chairman: That we will see after this or we will ---------- -- 4.(f'«'L}; ~€"_J/ (K, :(7.fi‘. ,fi; /1-‘In1ou7-"%: U5;I, L’i/ );; /§! / . .‘¢ uficua/3’-Lj: rd/ ;|}Jl dip IdJ! ‘;(J‘)); L,'_i_/ . Mr. Chairman: That we will discuss in Mirpur, Mangla. That is all at the convenience of the honourable. .Z— J-4 / J65 a: members. If they like, we can discuss it in the chamber: Should we call them? Mr. Attomey-General are you prepared? Yes, call them. (THE DELEGATION ENTERED THE CHAMBER) Mr. Chairman: Yes, Mr. Attomey General. CROSS-EXAMINATION OF THE QADIANI GROUP DELEGATION . ... ... .. . .., .>La 12/ : (yr/ L Jgz g}m); §-'5 . ,.t; z 2- 77:? -. -«U| r»{ I (41-11 . ;-JL2. .1/. ,_» «»If)1I/ t u/ .1 uni ox uni 2.. L9"€ CROSS-EXAMINATION or THE QADIANI GROUP DELEGATION 515 ~d3~‘4~6.= -.~7~~u&= »L= "-«'>f~~. —tz -un t-mama; =x_n/ Li ’-.2l4d. o:’u 4}I; “~u35”Jtm; -. ;_ . ».i}'zs¢)>J*’7r. fi (3 fig; J-"Z _;3V. ,g‘J¢, /., __(. I-/ .mu:1»H‘. g K Lu; ‘7¢j1.', i.vI'funt¢tl2,uf J-'. '&'w t/ I-u_: puny. ‘/qgwm '(j, u/'= "?, »u U: Wing: mun . _—, ,,, ,,- tI')77,_. ut‘7u'. '.' 2‘; Jl: *J. }". ;.»u,1-u, ¢ w, ;., .,_, 9 . -,_, '§>J(}‘, ,r_£ '1‘ Ma! -we Mu-"Jim —: '?’«. a Est. » 631! 1:» at/1+ L if/ ~.5Q: LJ'-’—LJ31'i'%i. _,9iv'| -'5P5lJ__I'ljT¥, ,-9? Lu»; $4.; Lia’ -G. “7u1"°»€’«J’tJ'r. — L7W'rJ"" Q :1 L332} $24. aims ‘éyluv . /:i"’J: ’s_Ju,1rLu€_ Jedi : f;_tJ, U11/1-‘; »4uL»Z J5.-i'? ft£: u1 . _.a; .;u. g a‘_1’s_w. vru. -./ *>” ~. ~". = : .:«av»v—y/ »a fa”-/ m:. ’fJ*»-ufc-2~. Lani L432}. 4;-_g: .. .ls‘l£ g; w_£, ¢,a, g bi’; ~. ~» wt ~>5l37u(~=5"b(c)‘/ :'U-'- 3‘; 2;; /ix “%’e/ us-—r= ””fé'l6:t»wm: mi 77:. o/ "J: J.. (LJf 3:), Q3.’ : l,: ;:__, I,'3'%I£ __, Ii. .fl_, a{ l'7| I egg: -JLJI $l~cJ*—§. ,J’. «>, 'I: )’u"""£5~'; ' : ".f’-’, ,ra: ’ ugwf J/ .v”‘K£ U‘-3‘£ Li/ .diy: l§4i$"JJI-_L_r‘a_; ) u’-35¢. ‘/i'. .;’b/ vi -L3f: ’i d/ ll:
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