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  1. 1. $3.00 Cl arle Ch in m to ag n ne Volume 10/Number 4 July/August 2000 Re A ce w ive ard s WORLD EVENTS FROM A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE Taiwan votes Mideast Summit for independence E-mail: Peace or Armageddon?
  2. 2. PROOF THIS IS THE ENDTIME THIS ARTICLE IS REPEATED IN EACH ISSUE OF ENDTIME FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR NEW READERS. Many have stated that it is impossible to know whether or 3. WORLDWIDE NUMBERING SYSTEM PRE- not we are living in the last days before the second coming DICTED: In Revelation chapter 13, the Bible prophesies of Jesus Christ. However, below you will find dramatic that a world dictator will soon rule over a world govern- proof that this is the last times. All of the proofs below ment. He will cause all people on the earth to receive a taken together defy coincidence. number without which they will be unable to buy or sell. We are seeing this prophecy fulfilled before our eyes in a most astonishing way. Nearly every human being in the 1. EUPHRATES RIVER TO BE DRIED UP: In world now has been assigned a number. In America it is our Revelation 16:12, social security number. In the last few years we have seen the Bible predicts this number extended to small children. A child without a that the Euphrates social security number cannot be declared as a dependent on River will be dried an income tax return. We have seen the emergence of elec- up to prepare the tronic money, shopping with credit cards, and many people way for the kings are urging the abolishment of cash. All of these things could of the east to in- not possibly have been fulfilled until this present time. Only vade Israel. This after the invention of the computer could such a worldwide will happen at the numbering system be administered. time of the battle of Armageddon 4. THE EMERGENCE OF A NEW WORLD according to verse ORDER: Revelation 13:7 and Daniel 7:23 prophesy the 16 of the same establishment of a chapter. The battle of Armageddon will be the final battle at world government. which time Jesus Christ will return and fight on the side of We recently have the nation of Israel. Immediately thereafter He will estab- seen the term “new lish His kingdom and usher in His 1000-year reign of world order” being peace. used by the leading On January 13th, 1990, the Indianapolis Star carried the political people of our headline “Turkey will cut off flow of Euphrates for 1 world. Mikhail month.” The article stated that a huge reservoir had been Gorbachev has made built by Turkey. While filling up the reservoir, the flow of the term famous, and the Euphrates would be stopped for one month and a con- Pope John Paul II has crete plug for a diversion channel built. These things have referred to it repeat- now been done. With this newly built dam, Turkey has the edly. Finally our ability to stop the Euphrates River at will. The conditions former President, for fulfilling this 1900 year old prophecy are now in place! George Bush, in the Chicago Tribune, September 12, 1990, said “Iraq is the 2. CHINA GOES TO WAR: In Revelation 9:15- first test for the new world order.” He stated emphatically 16, the Bible prophesies that an army of 200 million that the Iraq War is Saddam Hussein against the world. The soldiers will launch a United Nations troops are continually referred to as the war which will kill multi-national forces. The decision has been made to estab- “the third part of lish an interdependent community of nations that will rule men”. Never in the the world under United Nations authority. The Bible says history of the world, that this will lead us into a great world government. We can until our present gen- see this happening right before our eyes. eration, has there been a power on COINCIDENCE OR DIVINE PROVIDENCE? The earth that could field Euphrates River can be dried up, the necessary 200 million 200 million soldiers. man army is available, a worldwide numbering system is However, the late possible because of the computer, and now the new world ruler of China, Mao order is appearing. Tsetung boasted in his diary that he Is it coincidental that all of these major prophecies pertain- could field an army of 200 million. We see that this ing to the last times are being fulfilled simultaneously? prophecy pertaining to the very last times could not ever have been fulfilled until now. Hardly! endtime SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER 1999
  3. 3. contents presenting world events from a biblical perspective C OV E R S T O RY 8 First a United Nations—Now a United Relgions Irvin Baxter Jr. was in attendance to witness the birth of United Religions on June 26 in Pittsburgh. Will Bishop William Swing’s brainchild become the prophesied global religion of the endtimes? The ceremony was marked by Hindu prayers, anti-proselytizing statutes and a chat room run by a Wiccan high priestess. An eyewiness report. F E AT U R E A R T I C L E S 10 The King of Hearts Endtime Photo Page 9 The European Union is being created in the image of the Holy Roman Empire. It is therefore staggering to realize that the Bible specifically prophesies a rebirth of the Holy Roman Empire for the endtimes. Beware of Charlemagne, the King of Hearts. 16 Exclusive Interview—Maurice Strong Part 2 22 Taiwan Stands Up When new Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian delivered his inaugural address, Beijing was watching closely. Would he accept their One-China Policy or would there be war? The media hailed the speech as a flaming success. But what did Chen actually say, and what was Beijing’s reaction? AP WideWorld Photo/Julio Pereira Page 16 26 World Review 28 Confirming the Covenant: Will Final Seven Years Begin This Year? Will the countdown to Armageddon begin at the Camp David Summit? Why might the Confirmation of the Covenant begin this year? The prophecy and its implications are explained. D E PA R T M E N T S 4 Editorial 6 Letters 13 Whetstone AP WideWorld Photo/Vincent Yu Page 22 We are sorry, but due to lack of available space the Crossword Puzzle and Seek & Find were omitted from this issue. They will reappear next Endtime’s World Wide Web Address: issue. E-mail: Endtime, Inc. is published bi-monthly by Endtime, Inc., 1214 South 8th Street, Richmond, IN 47374. Subscription price is $24.97 for 12 issues. Periodical postage paid #009267, ISSN# 1066-6885, Richmond, IN, and additional mailing offices. © 1994 Endtime, Inc. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part without written permission is prohibited. POST- MASTER: Send address changes to Endtime, PO Box 2066, Richmond, IN 47375-2066. For subscriptions call 24 hrs/day, 7 days/week 1-800-ENDTIME. Other inquiries call 1-765-962-6344 8:00 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. (EST)
  4. 4. EDITORIAL Editorial Endtime photo N ever in my 35 years of Jerusalem—the issue over which the studying Bible prophecy Battle of Armageddon will be fought. have I seen such a conver- The Millennium World Peace gence of prophetic Summit, a gathering of 1,000 of the fulfillment! world’s top religious leaders, will be an- other big step toward unifying the • The constitution for the United religions of the world as we move rapidly Religions Initiative was signed on June into the New World Order. The goal of 26th. this meeting is a signed declaration for • The Middle East Summit was con- world peace and the establishment of an vened by President Clinton at Camp ongoing international advisory council David on July 11th. of religious and spiritual leaders, which • The Millennium World Peace Summit will serve as a resource for the United will be held at the UN August 28-31. Nations in its conflict prevention and • The Millennium Summit at the UN resolution efforts. This summit of reli- will be held September 6-8. gious leaders was suggested to Kofi Irvin Baxter Jr., Endtime Editor • Mikhail Gorbachev’s State of the Annan by none other than CNN’s Ted World Forum will run in New York Turner. If Yasser Arafat unilaterally declares from September 4-10. The Millennium Summit of the Palestinian statehood on September 13, • Yasser Arafat has announced that he United Nations will boast the largest 2000, many global observers are predict- will unilaterally declare a Palestinian gathering of heads-of-state in the history ing war in the Middle East. Israel says she state by September 13th if one has not of the world. There are presently 188 na- will unilaterally draw the borders separat- been achieved through peace negotia- tions on earth. It is expected that 160 of ing Israel from Palestine. If things tions. the leaders of these nations will converge happen in this way, it will be interesting • Meanwhile the potential war between on the UN for the Millennium Summit. to watch what Israel does with the China and Taiwan simmers ominously The goal of this meeting is to take a Temple Mount, especially since the Bible in the background. quantum leap forward into the structures prophesies the building of a temple on for world government. Maurice Strong the Temple Mount in the near future. Every one of these events has a direct and Mikhail Gorbachev hope that their And then there’s the prophecy that bearing on at least one of the major Earth Charter will be accepted as the be- threatens to dwarf all the prophecies— prophecies of the Bible. And most all of lief system for the emerging global the prophesied war that will kill them are unfolding within the next two governmental structures. one-third of the human race. It is en- months! Mikhail Gorbachev has decided to tirely possible that this horrendous war The signing of the United Religions take his annual State of the World with its 2 billion fatalities could occur yet Charter was a huge leap toward the Forum to New York, hoping to capitalize this year. prophesied one-world religion. on the unprecedented number of world Ladies and Gentlemen, the endgame The Middle East Summit is dealing leaders that will have converged at the of the endtime has begun! with the issues that will trigger the final UN for the Millennium Summit. The seven-year period leading up to the State of the World Forum’s stated pur- “Therefore be ye also ready: for in such Battle of Armageddon. The Summit is pose is “determining the course that an hour as ye think not the Son of man also attempting to settle the status of global governance should take.” cometh.” Matthew 24:44 4 endtime JULY/AUGUST 2000 E-mail:, Website:
  5. 5. Prophecy Tour 2001 United Nations-Egypt-Israel March 27-April 7 (12 days) Moses grimaced when he saw the whip of the Egyptian taskmaster snake across the back of the Israeli slave. Anger welled up in him when he saw the angry stripe that was left across the Jewish back. At that moment, he made up in his mind that he and his people were leaving that place! It took forty years, but leave they did. The excitement was high as they headed north toward the long-dreamed-of “Promised Land.” Little did Moses know that it would be forty years before he would stand on Mount Nebo, gazing longingly into the land of Israel. That was as close as he would ever get. In Egypt: The overseas portion of Prophecy Tour 2001 will begin by walking in the footsteps of Moses and the children of Israel in the land of Egypt. We will visit Goshen where they lived while in Egypt and see the brickyards where they toiled. Believe it or not, bricks are still being made there till this day! While in Egypt, we will also see the Great Pyramid, the Great Sphinx, the Cairo Museum and visit Old Cairo. We will then travel north through the Sinai desert, across the Suez Canal, finally arriving in the land of Israel. In Israel: Stand on the Mount of Olives where Jesus will stand when He returns—Visit the Temple Mount itself where the Third Temple will soon be built—See the cornerstone intended for the rebuilding of the Third Temple—At the Temple Institute we will see the vessels and the garments already pre- pared for resumption of temple worship—Visit the Garden Tomb and the Garden of Gethsemane—See the site of the coming Battle of Armageddon—We will visit Judean settlements where Jesus prophesied great tribulation will come in the near future (Matthew 24:15-16)—Boat across the Sea of Galilee where Jesus walked on the water. And much, much more! At the United Nations: Prophecy Tour 2001 will begin in New York City at the United Nations—the seat of world gov- ernment. A guided tour will take us through the chambers of the UN where decisions are made that change the course of the world. A one-hour briefing by a UN official has been arranged especially for the members of our Endtime Prophecy Tour. We have just scratched the surface concerning the things you will experience in the land of the Bible. There is no doubt that Prophecy Tour 2001 will be the trip of a lifetime! I hope that you can join my wife Judy and me as we experience the UN, Egypt, and the Holy Land together. Eddie Sax, co-host for “Politics & Religion,” and his wife Charlotte will be with us on the tour. It will be a great time. Don’t miss it! The cost for the entire 12-day United Nations, Egypt, and Israel tour will be $2195 plus tips and taxes. You can insure your place on the tour by sending your deposit of $250 to Endtime, PO Box 2066, Richmond, IN 47375. Total payment will need to be made 45 days before departure. If you have further questions, you may call us here at 1-800-endtime. Irvin Baxter Jr. — Tour Host Call 1-800-ENDTIME for more information. (Ask for Christi at extension 226 or Debbie.)
  6. 6. Letters to Endtime Upside down cross refers to Peter on the last few paragraphs of the speech, but certainly glossed In regard to V equaling U that was mentioned on your over the myriad references to democracy and the terse impli- Preterist/Futurist program, I would believe that to be true. If cation that Taiwan had no intention, even to its own you were to take a look at various Roman inscriptions, you extinction, of giving up its sovereignty. Notwithstanding, the would find U’s written as V’s and J’s written as I’s. media’s reporting may serve the greater good. That is, should A while back one of your callers mentioned an upside down China now decide to attack Taiwan before the United States cross on the Pope’s miter. This represents St. Peter, who asked can elect a President who might retaliate, the rest of the world to be crucified in the opposite direction than Jesus was, out of would likely tend to be incensed at such a barbaric and un- respect for Him. This representation on the Pope’s miter and warranted act. This would probably lead to consequences the some of his chairs is simply the Roman Catholic affirmation Mainland Chinese could not long endure. that they believe Peter to be the founder of the Roman With respect to and certainly related to the second issue, as Catholic Church. you know a Reuters article dated May 20, 2000, reported the “family of five nuclear weapons owners” in the UN gave “un- M. Unger equivocal” commitment to eliminate nuclear weapons. Of Corsicana, TX course there is no deadline. The lack of a deadline gives fuel to the waiting Antichrist, whoever and wherever he is, just as Reply: Thanks for your explanation of the upside down cross. you have suggested. It certainly makes sense. As a retired Air Force Officer and former Military War- gamer, I know that, should there be a nuclear exchange between or among nations as a result of a Chinese invasion of UN Security Council explained Taiwan, the devastation would be virtually unfathomable. I am just learning about endtime events. Please help me Scriptures tell us plainly that two-thirds of the population will with an answer. Is the United Nations the World Council of remain after a cataclysmic war. If I did not believe in the word Security or is it another organization? of God, I would find that estimate highly optimistic. Even in Thank you. the absence of any type of prophecy, it is virtually a given that some charismatic leader would emerge to try to pull the rest of Yours Faithfully, the world back together and into recovery. He would also B. Martin likely be the one who became most vocal about the slow pace Papua, New Guinea of nuclear weapon disarmament promised by the “Nuclear Family,” before such an exchange. Reply: I think you are referring to the UN Security Council. So, perhaps we should begin to watch the “potential” The Security Council is the most powerful part of the United Antichrist candidates to see who barks the most and the loud- Nations. It is there that the critical decisions are made for the est about immediate and complete nuclear disarmament, UN. There are five permanent members on the Security Council knowing full-well it will not happen. and ten rotating members. The permanent members have veto power over the decisions on the Security Council. The rotating Dan S. members have a vote but do not have veto power. Radio listener Reply: The perspective you offer is certainly interesting. Mainstream media “missed the boat” on Chen’s Although I stated that the Antichrist would probably not be in- speech volved in the coming China war, it should be noted that we have You mentioned two things which I think are very impor- no biblical guarantee for this position. Time will tell. tant. First, the fact that the mainstream media missed the boat when reporting on the speech of the new Taiwanese President. Second, when asked by a caller about whether or not the What about the family? Antichrist could be involved in the war with China, you said When Jesus was telling His disciples about the endtime, He that you doubted it, but that rather he (the Antichrist) would told them what was going to take place. Then He said, “But be waiting in the wings to pick up the pieces. Both of your woe to them that are with child and to them that give suck in comments are perhaps more related than even you thought at those days!” the time. Do you think that Jesus was warning us to stop having chil- I printed President Chen Shui-bian’s speech and read it dren when we see the endtime upon us? Or do you think He with much interest. The mainstream media reported correctly was just saying it would be hard on those who were pregnant 6 endtime JULY/AUGUST 2000 E-mail:, Website:
  7. 7. or had small children? Notice that John was speaking of those who had been killed be- I know it may seem like a silly question, but I know several cause they would not worship the beast nor receive his mark. They people who have decided not to have children because we are obviously were on earth during the Great Tribulation. He says that living in the endtime. Please answer. I know many people who these were raised from the dead and reigned with Christ. Then he would like an answer. says, “This is the first resurrection.” May the Lord bless you. Since this is the first resurrection, there could not have been a res- urrection seven years before this time. If there had been a S. Simmons resurrection prior to this, then the resurrection of Revelation 20:4- Nicholasville, KY 5 would have been the second resurrection. For this reason and many others, I believe that the two phase theory is unbiblical. Reply: You are referring to the prophecy of Jesus in Matthew 24:19. Jesus was specifically speaking about the people who would be in Judea at the time of the Abomination of Desolation. Judea is Endtime thanks you for your the area called the West Bank, which Israel is preparing to transfer to Palestinian control. letters. The letters we use in In my opinion, Christians should not be overly concerned until Endtime do not necessarily reflect we know for certain that we have entered the final seven years. Once we are positive, it might be prudent to prayerfully consider the views of Endtime and/or its staff. the times when planning for a family. Endtime reserves the right to edit How many resurrections are there? letters according to space and edi- I was quite disappointed when I read your cover story “The torial style. Year 2000 In Prophecy.” You wrote the next thing prophesied in the Bible for the human race is the Second Coming of Jesus to earth. What about I Corinthians 15:51-52 and I Thessalonians 4:14-17? When He comes for His saints, meeting them in the What is Endtime Magazine? air? Is not this the first phase of His Second Coming? You In 1968, Irvin Baxter Jr. discovered the United States wrote only about the second phase of His Second Coming, and other modern nations in the Bible. He also found which is prophesied in Daniel and Revelation. the Berlin Wall in the Bible and that one day it was to be Are there not two phases of the Second Coming, each sep- torn down, reuniting Germany, and that event would be arated by a period of seven years, the Great Tribulation? The the catalyst to spark an international movement called first phase, which we call “the Rapture,” has been neglected in the teaching of the Second Coming, and many church mem- the "New World Order." These things have now come to bers never hear it mentioned from their pulpits. To me it is pass. most important. It is the blessed hope and comfort for all Irvin Baxter Jr., a Pentecostal minister, began Christians. Endtime Ministries in 1986 when he wrote A Message Please write another part of your story about the Rapture. I For The President, a book explaining the major prophe- think it is most important for believers to know and look for- cies of the Bible which he had been teaching since ward to. It must be the next great event to happen. 1968. After the fall of the Berlin Wall, prophetic fulfillment Yours in Christ, accelerated rapidly. The decision was made to launch E. Inmon Endtime. The purpose of the magazine is to explain the Oxford, MS prophecies of the Bible and to show that they are now being fulfilled in intricate detail. Reply: There is a difference of opinion among Bible students as Articles focus on the soon return of Jesus Christ, the to whether there are two phases to the Second Coming or one. It is truth of the Bible, and the need for salvation. Endtime my opinion that the Bible does not teach the two phase theory. To does not deal with doctrinal controversies, as valid as fully explain would take an entire article. However, there is one they may be. This will be left to other publications. scripture that, in my opinion, totally eliminates the two phase the- STATEMENT OF FAITH: We believe that the Bible is ory. the inspired Word of God, that Jesus Christ is the In Revelation 20:4-5, John said, “…and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of Savior of the world, and that He will come again to es- God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, tablish a kingdom that shall never be destroyed (Daniel neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their 2:44). Those who are born again (John 3:3-5) will have hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But eternal life and rule as kings and priests with Christ for- the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were fin- ever. ished. This is the first resurrection.” E-mail:, Website: JULY/AUGUST 2000endtime 7
  8. 8. COVER STORY First a United Nations Now a United Religions by Irvin Baxter Jr. Endtime Photo O n June 26, 2000, I watched as Bishop William Swing picked up the pen, becom- ing the first signer of the constitution of the United Religions Initiative. The stated goal of the URI is to end religiously motivated violence and to create cultures of peace, justice and healing for the Earth and all living beings. It really doesn’t sound too bad to me. After all, I’m against violence. I’m for peace, and for justice and for healing. Yet a very persistent nagging at the root of The founder of the United Religions Initiative, Bishop William Swing, is the first to sign the my belief system just wouldn’t leave me charter that gave birth to the global religious organization. alone. Really now! Did they seriously expect me, as a Christian, to validate Buddhists, believe not that I am he, ye shall die in war over religion. I have never even at- Muslims, Indigenous worshipers of the your sins?” (John 8:24). And then there tempted to force anyone to be a Great White Spirit, Wiccans (witches) is Acts 4:12, “Neither is there salvation Christian. Furthermore, a true Christian and the myriad other pagan faiths that in any other: for there is none other never would. The Bible itself teaches us were represented at the signing? Were name under heaven given among men, to “…do violence to no man.” they serious when they said I should de- whereby we must be saved.” Oh yes…one more thing! I was nounce proselytizing (trying to convert The United Religions was the con- haunted by the prophecies in the Bible practitioners of other faiths to tends that it is this kind of that foretell a global government and a Christianity) and that I should respect all narrow-minded, literal interpretation of global religious system. I’ve been alarmed religions as having value? scripture that has led to so much religious for some time by the world’s blind accep- This goes against everything that the conflict throughout the ages. Granted, tance of the “World Community” Bible teaches. How about the uncompro- there have been a lot of wars fought over intervening in the sovereign affairs of na- mising declaration of Jesus, “…for if ye religious ideology. But I’ve never fought a tions. Of course, the United Nations has 8 endtime JULY/AUGUST 2000 E-mail:, Website:
  9. 9. always disguised its emergence as a one- Endtime Photo world government by referring to itself as the “World Community” or the “International Community.” But after the violations of national sovereignty in Haiti, Bosnia, Yugoslavia and then East Timor, it became obvious that what we have on our hands is, in fact, a one-world government. So the fulfillment of the global gov- ernment part of the prophecies is far advanced at this present time. When I began to read about the possibility of a United Religions organization that would act as a sister organization to the UN, I was filled with no small intrepida- tion. And now here I was, sitting in Carnegie Music Hall in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, personally witnessing the birth of the United Religions. To make my misgivings worse, the signing of the United Religions constitution was pur- posely taking place on June 26th because the constitution of the United Nations Delegates march from Carnegie Mellon Student Center to Carnegie Music Hall for the charter had been signed fifty-five years prior on signing ceremony. the very same day. Had I just witnessed the planting of the second leg of the pol- congregation, “Om.” delegates. From a balcony a Jewish rabbi itics and religion tandem spoken of in Again she intoned, “Om.” sounded on the shofar in Interfaith cele- Bible prophecy? This time the refrain from the dele- bration. The United Religions was born! The ceremony began with a march gates was a little louder, “Om.” And all of this without mentioning from the Carnegie Melon campus to Back and forth the response continued the name of Jesus one time! Carnegie Music Hall approximately until the echo of the Hindu prayer was The birth of the United Religions was three blocks away. The Manipuri drum- heard throughout Carnegie Music Hall. webcast live around the world. A chat mers from India set the cadence for the It appeared that most of the delegates, room was available on the Internet so marchers with the methodical beating of whether Hindu or not, entered into the that people could ask questions during their drums. Following behind were rep- Hindu refrain. It was definitely an un- the signing ceremonies. Endtime staff resentatives of many religions, all dressed precedented Interfaith moment. As for member Dan Barkley visited with the in the costumes of their particular reli- me, my hair bristled on the back of my woman who was operating the chat room gious traditions. There were Baha’i, neck as supposed Christians slid easily for the United Religions. Noticing that Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Zoroastrians, into the act of pagan worship. she was wearing an unusual headband, Wiccans, Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, Then came the phone call from the Dan asked what its significance might be. Hoa Hao, Taoists, Cao Dao, Sikh, United Nations. The UN official ex- She informed him that the insignias on Indigenous People and many others. tended the United Nations’ the headband indicated that she was a Once the procession entered Carnegie congratulations on the birth of the Wiccan high priestess, in other words—a Music Hall, the delegates made their way United Religions. The call was amplified witch. to their respective places. The Manipuri over the PA system for all to hear. It was It was absolutely beyond belief! A worshipers, bare from the waist up, con- obvious that a very close relationship ex- witch was running the chat room for the tinued to beat their drums until all were ists between the United Nations and the birth of the United Religions?! Can you seated. United Religions. believe it?! After preliminary remarks were made, When the crowning moment of sign- Mrs. Ny Gedong Oka of Indonesia led ing the United Religions Constitution “…because they received not the love the Interfaith gathering in prayer. Sitting arrived, Bishop William Swing, head of of the truth, that they might be saved. in the Lotus position on a stool, she the United Religions Initiative, was af- And for this cause God shall send them prayed in her native tongue and repeated forded the honor of being the first signer. strong delusion, that they should believe each phrase in English. After a few min- Other attendees then added their signa- a lie: That they all might be damned who utes of prayer, she then progressed deeper tures to the document. believed not the truth, but had pleasure into her meditation. “Om,” she prayed. Once the signing was complete, en- in unrighteousness” (II Thessalonians And then came the refrain from the thusiastic applause erupted from the 2:10-12). ❏ E-mail:, Website: JULY/AUGUST 2000endtime 9
  10. 10. FEATURE ARTICLE The King of Hearts Europe awards Clinton the Charlemagne Award. Why? by Eddie Sax & Irvin Baxter Jr. I n the mid-fifteenth century, French playing card manufacturers arbitrar- ily gave identities to each king, queen and jack. The King of Spades was given the name King David, Diamonds became representative of the Roman emperor Julius Caesar and Clubs went to Alexander the Great. The King of Hearts was Charlemagne. These This story is about Charlemagne. It men, is a story about the prophesied h o w - endtime revival of his world domi- ever, are nating empire, the Holy Roman l o w l y Empire. It was founded in 800 pawns. The AD, but the Bible tells us that it real action is will rear its ugly head again on found in the earth just before Jesus returns king. Let’s take to defeat the Antichrist and a look at the False Prophet. king. The endtime Charlemagne will He was Charles be the Antichrist. Beware of the King of Magna—Charles Hearts. most the Great— King to fur- Charles I. He was Pawns and kings ther the cause of Charlemagne, the first On June 3rd, 2000, U.S. President Bill European unity. Previous re- emperor of the Holy Clinton flew to Aachen, Germany, to re- cipients include the great Winston Roman Empire, the fifth ceive the 50th Annual International Churchill, Czech president and world world dominating empire Charlemagne Prize. The award is given statesman Vaclav Havel and King Juan starting with Babylon. He to the person each year who does the Carlos of Spain. was crowned by Pope Leo III in 800 AD 10 endtime JULY/AUGUST 2000 E-mail:, Website:
  11. 11. in Aachen, Germany, and ruled over a Holy Roman Empire in prophecy united Europe. This coronation marked In order to grasp the staggering impli- World Spiritual the birth of the Holy Roman Empire. cations of the EU’s formation, let’s look Why would the European Union place at the prophecy. It’s found in Daniel Leaders Convene such prestige and reverence over a king who has been in the grave for over 1,100 Chapter 2. Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, had at UN years? The fact is, the European Union a dream. Daniel recounted his dream and Travel Tip of the Week: If you find has chosen King Charlemagne as its then provided the interpretation. The yourself in New York on August 28-29, George Washington. The heads side on actual dream is recorded in Daniel 2:31- stop by the General Assembly Hall at the first coin minted by the EU in 1987 35…the interpretation in verses 36-45. the United Nations Building to get a bears the image of Charles the Great. The dream depicted a great image firsthand look-see at the UN’s It is critical to understand that the whose head was of gold, breast and arms Millennium World Peace Summit. You European Union is recreating the Holy of silver, belly and thighs of brass, legs of will find there over 1,000 spiritual lead- Roman Empire. It is likely that its king iron, and feet of iron mingled with clay. ers from all over the world convening will ultimately become the Antichrist. Then a stone, which was cut out without with the hope of encouraging each Let’s take a closer look. hands, smote the image upon the feet. It other to bury ancient hatchets and co- broke the iron, the brass, the clay, the sil- operate in resolving world conflicts. Half a king ver and the gold into pieces. As Occurring on the coattails of the June The history books record that Charles Nebuchadnezzar watched, the stone that 26 constitution signing of the United Magna wasn’t all that magna. The un- smote the image grew until it became a Religions Organization, this is being publicized fact is, Charles was only half of great mountain and filled the whole hailed as one of the UN’s most ambi- a king. Charles, you see, had a partner. earth. tious projects to date. This summit He shared his authority. His partner was appears to make official the UN’s intent the pope. The interpretation: Five world to extend its global peacekeeping role Back in the eighth century, empires into the sphere of religious conflict. Charlemagne wanted to bear rule over In Daniel 2:36-45, the meaning of the The summit’s organizer is Bawa Jain the known world of his time, but he did- dream was revealed. Daniel said to the of the Interfaith Center of New York. n’t wield enough power. Interestingly, king, “Thou art this head of gold” (v. 38). The intent to establish a new global the pope of the Roman Catholic Church Then he explained that, after spiritual order has been in the works at wanted the same. As the vicar of the Son Nebuchadnezzar’s kingdom, another the UN for years. Credit for coming up of God on earth, the pope felt that he would rise which would be inferior to his with the brilliant idea for this summit, should rightly be in charge of the world’s kingdom. After that kingdom, yet a third however, has been bestowed upon Ted affairs. Neither Charlemagne nor the kingdom would arise. This third king- Turner. Bawa Jain related the inside pope was powerful enough by himself to dom was represented by the belly and story: “Ted Turner said to the Secretary- assume the desired role of authority, so thighs of brass. General (Kofi Annan), ‘If you want peace the two of them cut a deal. Pope Leo III To fully understand the importance of in the world you have to bring together crowned Charlemagne as emperor of the this prophecy of Nebuchadnezzar’s religious leaders at the UN and get them Holy Roman Empire. They would share image, carefully notice the key phrase in to sign a declaration.’” the power. And so it was born. verse 39, “which shall bear rule over all Cardinals, rabbis, Islamic imams and Understanding the source of the earth.” We know that many nations “living-god-gurus” will be in atten- Charlemagne’s shared power status, why have existed from the time of Daniel dance. The Tibetan Buddhist leader, the in the world would the European Union until now. However, only five empires Dalai Lama, is expected to skip the place all of its marbles into this chintzy have existed since Daniel’s time which event because his presence might ag- half a basket? Why choose the King of have ruled the entire world. They are the gravate the Chinese. Hearts and not the King of Diamonds? empires depicted in this image of Will the summit have a genuine im- After all, Julius Caesar ruled over the Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. pact? One skeptic, Barbara Smoker, same territory, but didn’t have to split his Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon ruled the former president of the National Secular authority with anybody. Why not put known world of its day and was the head Society, notes the role religion has had Julius Caesar’s image on their coins? of gold. In the days of Belshazzar, the last in virtually every conflict in history. The answer is simple. It’s because the king of Babylon, the hand of God wrote “They have a lot to answer for,” she Vatican is inexorably involved in the on his palace wall foretelling that his said. “They won’t have much influence creation of the European Union and, de kingdom would fall that night and that on the majority of believers, who are facto, the re-creation of the Holy Roman his kingdom would be replaced by the more motivated by ingrained emotion Empire. kingdom of the Medes and the Persians engendered by religion than by what Understanding the Holy Roman (Daniel 2:40). Both history and the Bible their leaders say.” Empire and its leadership structure is the (Daniel 5:30-31) tell us that this Stay in New York for another week most important insight in the Bible did occur. and you may catch a glimpse of the for recognizing the Antichrist and The empire of the Medes and the UN’s largest single gathering of heads- False Prophet. Persians is the kingdom symbolized by of-state ever held in the world. The Millennium Summit will be held September 6-9.
  12. 12. the king of hearts the arms and breasts of silver. This em- Endtime Photo pire dominated the world for over 200 years, from the night that Babylon fell in 539 BC until it was defeated by the Grecians under Alexander the Great in 331 BC. The Grecian Empire is the third world empire of King Nebuchadnezzar’s image. The Grecian Empire is symbolized by the belly and thighs of brass. Alexander the Great, the “King of Clubs,” conquered the entire world by the time he reached his early thirties. Greece was the domi- nant force in the world for 134 years until defeated by the Romans in 197 BC. Then began the rule of the Roman Empire which was symbolized by the “legs of iron” (v. 40). The Roman Empire still ruled the world at the time of Jesus Christ. That’s the reason there were Roman soldiers present in Israel at the crucifixion of Jesus. During the life of Christ, the entire world was under trib- ute to the Roman Empire. This empire continued for 500 years until it decayed from within and was overrun by barbar- ians. The prophecy states that one more When the European Union minted their first coin, they chose to place the image of Charlemagne empire would rise which would rule over in its face. “all the earth.” Until this last empire, each section of the image in the king’s and fallen several times. As previously began to quarrel over which one between dream had a completely different metal explained, the Holy Roman Empire has them should be the final authority. The from the previous section. From the head always been ruled by two men, a political popes have always held that “spiritual” of gold, to the arms and breasts of silver, leader and a spiritual leader. The last should rule over “temporal.” On the to the belly and thighs of brass, and to world government, which is now emerg- other hand, the emperors have insisted the legs of iron, each is a total change of ing, will also be ruled by two men. The that they should have the last word. metals. The feet, however, consist of two political leader will be the Antichrist, Because of the quarreling, their alliances elements — iron and clay. The mixture and the spiritual leader will be the False eventually disintegrated. It has certainly indicates that the element of iron (the Prophet (Revelation 19:19-20). been as the scriptures said: the iron will Roman Empire) from the legs would sur- not cleave to the clay! vive; however, another element (the The feet of iron and clay The most important element of clay) would be mixed in. Note that the iron element of the for- Nebuchadnezzar’s dream is the “stone.” After the Roman Empire came an- mer Roman Empire remained, but that The stone, which was cut out of the other empire, which was related, but the new clay element, the Roman mountain, rolled down and smote the different. This latest empire was called Catholic Church, had been added. image upon the feet. The stone repre- the Holy Roman Empire. Remember that the image in the king’s sents the kingdom of God (v. 44). The dream had feet of iron mixed with clay. It feet of the image represent the Holy The Holy Roman Empire is easy to see that the clay represents the Roman Empire! This illustrates to us that In order to understand this part of the Roman Catholic Church. The Holy the Holy Roman Empire will be in exis- prophecy, you must understand the dif- Roman Empire has always been a union tence when Jesus returns to establish His ference between the Roman Empire and of church and state. kingdom. the Holy Roman Empire. They are not The passage also states that “...they the same. The Roman Empire existed shall not cleave one to another, even as Political leader and spiritual during the time of Christ, and ceased to iron is not mixed with clay.” This passage leader exist around 300 AD. The Holy Roman has been explicitly fulfilled. Each time This prophecy gives us a crystal clear Empire was founded five hundred years the Holy Roman Empire has been estab- understanding that the kingdom of the later in 800 AD. lished, it has succeeded for only a short Antichrist will be a modern-day Holy From the time of Charlemagne until time. Each time, after reaching world Roman Empire. And remember, there now, the Holy Roman Empire has risen domination, the pope and the emperor have always been two leaders in this em- 12 endtime JULY/AUGUST 2000 E-mail:, Website:
  13. 13. Whetstone by John L. Bryant Radio Log Politics & Religion 1.Be ye angry, and ____ not. with Irvin Baxter Jr. A. Curse B. Sin C. Defile Red indicates new or change *Live Broadcast 2. Paul sent him into Macedonia. A. Philemon B. Philip C. Timotheus (Timothy) AR Ft. Smith KFSA 950 AM 3:00 pm* Waldron KRWA 103.1 FM 3:00 pm* 3. In ____ season we shall reap, if we faint not. GA Macon WBML 900 AM 6:00 pm A. Rainy B. Dry C. Due IN Indianapolis WXLW 950 AM 2:00 pm 4. This disciple told Jesus that He shalt never wash his Ft. Wayne WLYV 1450 AM 3:00 pm* feet. Richmond WHON 930 AM 2:05 pm A. Peter B. James C. John South Bend WHME 103.1 FM 4:00 pm 5. He persecuted the church, then later, became an KS Wichita KSRX 1360 AM 4:00 & 10:30 pm apostle. LA New Orleans WLNO 1060 AM 3:00 pm* A. Philip B. Paul C. Barnabas MD Baltimore WBMD 750 AM 11:15 am 6. One of the Hebrew children delivered from the fiery Denton WKDI 840 AM 11:00 am MA Worcester WCRN 830 AM 4:00 pm* furnace. MI Battle Creek WOLY 1500 AM 4:00 pm* A. Daniel B. Abed-nego C. David Detroit WLQV 1500 AM 6:00 pm 7. A son of David, renowned for his beauty. Lansing WLCM 1390 AM 4:00 pm* A. Absalom B. Solomon C. Amnon Flint WSNL 600 AM 11:00 pm 8. Goliath died by being hit in the ____ with a stone. NC Durham WFTK 1030 AM 10:30 & 4:15 pm A. Throat B. Chest C. Forehead NE Omaha KCRO 660 AM 3:00 pm* 9. The common title of kings of Egypt. OH Columbus WVKO 1580 AM 9:00 pm A. Pharaoh B. Tsar C. Emir OK Muskogee KMUS 1380 AM 4:00 & 10:30 pm 10. This person aided Naaman in securing his health. Claremore KMYZ 1570 AM 4:00 & 10:30 pm Tulsa KTRT 1270 AM 4:00 & 10:30 pm A. Gehazi B. A little maid C. Syrian doctor OR Portland KKSL 1290 AM 1:00 pm* 11. Christ shed this for the remission of sins. KPBC 1640 AM 1:00 pm* A. Blood B. Sweat C. Tears TN Memphis KSUD 730 AM 9:00 am 12. The Ethiopian eunuch was riding in this vehicle. TX Corpus Christi KCTA 1030 AM 4:00 pm A. Wagon B. Ox-cart C. Chariot Dallas KVTT 91.7 FM 3:00 pm* 13. … Man looketh on the outward … the Lord looketh Daingerfield KEGG 91.99 FM 11:00 am on what? VA Hampton Roads WPMH 1010 AM 3:30 pm A. Liver B. Kidney C. Heart WA Spokane KTRW 970 AM 3:00 pm 14. This husband-wife team labored with Paul. KTRW 96.9 FM 3:00 pm WV Point Pleasant WBGS 1030 AM 8:00 am A. Aquila & Priscilla B. Ananias & Sapphira WI Milwaukee WEMP 1250 AM 5:00 pm 15. The woman who touched Christ’s garment was ____ . A. Scolded B. Healed C. Shocked WHRI 6.040 9:00 am 16. Seven devils were cast out of this woman. Worldwide via Shortwave WHRA 17.650 2:00 pm A. Martha B. Mary Magdalene C. Salome North America, South WHRI 5.745 4:00 pm* 17. The devil is depicted as this animal, seeking whom he America, Europe, Russia, WHRI 9.495 4:00 pm* may devour. Africa, Israel WHRA 7.580 7:00 pm A. Bear B. Fox C. Lion Times shown are for U.S. Eastern WHRI 5.745 11:00 pm 18. When Moses smote the rock, what came forth? WHRI 7.315 11:00 pm Pacific Rim Nations: China, KWHR 9.930 0800 UTC A. Water B. Fire C. Iron Ore Japan, India, New Zealand KWHR 17.780 0200 UTC 19. He was greatly afflicted, his wife told him to curse God and die. Internet 24 hrs. A. Job B. Lot C. Jacob 20. This great king made musical instruments. Call 1-800-Endtime to find out how to get A. Saul B. David C. Josiah Politics & Religion on the air in your city. Answers on page 31 E-mail:, Website: JULY/AUGUST 2000endtime 13
  14. 14. the king of hearts Endtime Archive pire, a political leader and a spiritual leader. The political leader has always been from Europe and the spiritual leader has always been the pope of the Roman Catholic Church. In the book of Revelation we have the same thing. The two leaders are called the beast (the Antichrist) and the False Prophet. We know for certain that who- ever is pope at the time of the Antichrist, he will be the False Prophet. Let’s pause here for a moment. This last statement can be offensive to some people. The goal here is not to offend. We must point out that Catholic prophecy books teach the very same thing. They teach that an evil pope is coming. Both Catholic prophecies and the Bible are seeing the very same events. There are many Catholic people who believe that the next pope will be the prophesied “evil pope.” Time will tell. Summarizing the prophecy The Bible prophesies an endtime re- vival of a world order with the structure of the historical Holy Roman Empire. It will be a union between a political leader of Europe and the Vatican. Charlemagne was the first leader of this fifth world dominating empire. When the political entity called the European Union makes Charlemagne their George Washington, then, my friends, it appears that you and I are wit- nessing the prophesied revival of the Holy Roman Empire. Others see it too The reason the French playing card companies assigned the hearts suit to The feet of the image in Daniel Chapter 2 depict a revival of the Holy Roman Empire. This king- Charlemagne was apparently because of dom will be replaced by the kingdom of Jesus Christ. his tie with the Vatican. The suit of hearts was more symbolic of the church Does anyone else recognize the emer- Europe that are, in fact, “unreservedly than spades, diamonds or clubs. The gence of a modern-day Holy Roman proud of their place in the European “holy” part of the Holy Roman Empire is Empire and Charlemagne? The Union, that look forward to further sac- universally recognized. It was recognized Economist magazine does though it is not rifices of sovereignty and view the euro by the French in the fifteenth century, a religious publication. Quite to the con- currency as an all around success, that and it is recognized today as the trary, the Economist is known as the applaud publicly the work of the European Union assigns Charlemagne periodical of kings and presidents. It is European Commission, and that want first place among kings. owned by the Rothschilds, one of the from Europe only more of the same.” Most of the prophecy world fails to most influential families in the entire There are some in Great Britain who recognize that there are five parts to world. A section in each edition is called also see an emerging Holy Roman Nebuchadnezzar’s image. It is taught that “Charlemagne.” It is a feature article on Empire. They don’t like what they see, his image has four sections, the fourth a person who in some major way is con- however. Consequently, they are able to being the Roman Empire. This is why tributing to European unity. The May 27, see the developments more clearly. you will not find the information written 2000 column, for instance, began by pro- Daniel Johnson, opinion writer for the in this article in many other places. claiming that there are a few countries in UK’s Daily Telegraph, recently went so 14 endtime JULY/AUGUST 2000 E-mail:, Website:
  15. 15. far as to call a spade a spade, or rather, if AP WideWorld Photo/Pool/Martin Gerten you will excuse me, a heart a heart. Speaking on German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer’s plan for a federalized European Union, he summarized by writ- ing, “Fundamentally, it still dreams of a Germanic Holy Roman Empire.” Eleven of the fifteen EU states now have the same currency, the euro. The German deutchmark will cease to exist in July 2002. The Italian lira is leaving. The French franc as well. Did you know that there is a Vatican official present at all high level EU meet- ings? Interesting. Working the plan There is a definite, intentional plan to revive the Holy Roman Empire. And fur- ther, this is specifically prophesied in the Bible. Bill Clinton just received the Charlemagne Prize because he has bought into the vision that there should be a united Europe. It was specifically U.S. President Bill Clinton, accompanied by German President Johannes Rau, left, King Juan mentioned at the giving of the award Carlos of Spain, 2nd left, and Hans Muellejans, 4th left, the custodian of the cathedral, visit the that Clinton had contributed to the uni- throne of Charlemagne inside the Aachen Cathedral, Germany. Clinton was presented with the fication of Europe through his leadership International Charlemagne Prize, awarded for 50 years by Aachen city leaders to world leaders in the Bosnia conflict and in the Kosovo who promoted European unity as a safeguard against future world wars. Germany's westernmost crisis. city on the Dutch and Belgian borders has been a symbol of European integration. When the revival is accomplished, it will probably not be called the Holy We have been teach- Roman Empire. It will, however, be just ing on the revival of the that. And out of this union will come the Holy Roman Empire for Antichrist. many years. In the begin- In his acceptance speech Clinton ning, we didn’t know urged EU members not to leave Russia there was a Charlemagne out. This is highly significant, because Prize, and we didn’t know the prophecies indicate that Russia will a U.S. president would be be very much involved with the endtime a recipient. It was never one-world government and the Battle of imagined that the Armageddon. European Common During the 1,000 years of the reign of Market’s first ceremonial the Holy Roman Empire, most all of coin would bear the Europe was Roman Catholic. If the pope image of Charlemagne. said it, then that’s the way it went. He All we had to go on were gave his blessing to Europe’s political the prophecies of the leaders because temporal leaders were Bible. needed to administer the Holy Roman Now all the pieces of Empire. But the pope always felt that he the puzzle are coming to- was the ultimate authority. gether. The prophesied Video by Bill Clinton receiving the endtime revival of the Charlemagne Prize from the EU should Holy Roman Empire is Irvin Baxter Jr. be a signal to us. We should take a closer developing very rapidly. look at the EU, and what exactly is being It is happening far from To order call created. They are fulfilling Bible U.S. soil, but it will, ulti- 1-800-Endtime prophecy, but they haven’t a clue. It’s mately, come to affect us Order #947, $19.97 amazing to look at the prophecies of the all. Bible, to know what’s coming and then Beware of the King of to see it fulfilled before your very eyes. Hearts. ❏ E-mail:, Website: JULY/AUGUST 2000endtime 15
  16. 16. EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW Exclusive Interview with Maurice Strong (continued from previous issue) AP WideWorld Photo/Julio Pereira Editor’s note: Endtime was privileged to speak recently with Maurice Strong, possibly one of the most powerful men on earth. The first half of our interview appeared in the previous issue of this magazine. Mr. Strong is a high level official at the UN and is one of Mikhail Gorbachev’s clos- est associates. Together they authored the Earth Charter, and are now actively seeking its acceptance by the United Nations. As one of the world’s leading environmentalists, he also has had an ongoing relationship with Al Gore. Reforming the United Nations Baxter: There is a plan to reform the UN Security Council and perhaps add members. I also think there is a lot of sentiment toward some kind of change in Maurice Strong, shown here with Mikhail Gorbachev at the 1992 Earth Summit, has connections the veto power in order for the UN to reaching deeply into the New World Order, the United Religions and the international environ- function in global governance. Can you mental movement. comment on those issues for us? Strong: Some of the fundamental you cannot proceed with the action if major countries of the Third World are changes are, of course, the ones you men- one of the five permanent members votes not permanent members, yet you could tioned. The Security Council is the against it. That veto has made it impossi- say that some of the countries that are organ of the UN that makes the basic de- ble for the UN to act in many situations members, like Britain and France, are no cisions on interventions in conflict where it was needed. It was particularly longer political and economic powers. situations. The deployment of these true during the Cold War. One of the They are still important countries, but forces is done to try and meet the main benefits of the demise of the Cold War is not as important as they were. So the reasons why the UN was created — to that there have been many situations present Security Council does not reflect insure world peace and security. It can- since then in which it has become possi- the real world of geopolitics as it is today. not function, except by majority vote. ble to move. One of the anachronisms is That makes it more and more difficult for Furthermore, five of the members each that two of the political and economic the Security Council to make decisions have a veto. These five are the original powers that have now emerged in the that can be credible and accepted. We permanent members. They were chosen world are Germany and Japan, but they need a significant revision of the Security from among the victors in WWII. This are not among the permanent members. Council, but it has been impossible so far means, even if you have a majority vote, Neither is India or Brazil. Some of the to achieve. 16 endtime JULY/AUGUST 2000 E-mail:, Website:
  17. 17. Strong Recommendation to been able to agree. What will ultimately thirds majority. I am not suggesting Change Security Council happen, de facto, is if the Security which of those might be the best. I am Council doesn’t gradually change, it will simply saying that some change in the Sax: How do you achieve that revi- gradually become less important. existing veto situation is absolutely es- sion? Do you add members to the Countries, even the U.S., do not use the sential if we are going to get agreement Security Council that would have veto Security Council to sanction all of their on Security Council reform. power? That would seem to be counter- international actions. Increasingly, ac- productive. And how do you look at a tions are taken unilaterally, or in context Toward Enforceable Global Law nation like France and say, “We want you of NATO or a smaller group outside the to step down?” UN. The Security Council is extremely Baxter: Tell us about the International important, but it will not remain that Criminal Court Statute of Rome that Strong: One of the problems is exactly way unless it is reformed. And there is no was adopted in July of 1998. It was a big that. It is very hard for those who enjoy effective substitute for it. You must have deal at the time, and then all of a sudden privileges that they won at an earlier a global organization that reflects the re- it has faded into the background. We are stage to recognize that their role in the alities of the world it serves if it is going not hearing anything more about it. world has changed. Britain and France to be effective. Where does that stand? still have very, very important roles in the world, but certainly Strong: Well, it hasn’t been fully not the same as they were. So ex- ratified and none of these agree- pansion of the Security Council to “The Security Council ments can come into play until reflect the current situation in the they are ratified. As you know, the world in which the power struc- is extremely important, U.S. itself does not adhere to it. ture has significantly changed and Sometimes the international broadened out is essential. This means perhaps a larger Security but it will not remain processes, like national legislative processes, take time. This is partly Council, but not so large as to make it inefficient. People are sug- that way unless it is because they are controversial. I am not completely sure of its cur- gesting 22 or 23 members—not just the addition of Germany and reformed. And there rent state. It isn’t yet fully functioning — that I know. It cer- Japan. Virtually everybody agrees that those two nations should be is no effective tainly will function. Whether or not the U.S. ever adheres to it is a on there. But you cannot then omit some of the major countries substitute for it.” very important issue, because without the U.S. it will be cer- in the developing world. After all, tainly a good deal less effective. the developing world represents some 75% of both the number of nations Rethinking veto power? Sovereignty-Loss Double-Speak of the world and the number of people. By any democratic principle there should Baxter: Let’s talk about the veto power Baxter: The reason the United States obviously be some recognition of that in for a moment, Maurice. I know this is did not vote for the International the structure of the UN, and in particu- super-sensitive. Is there any possibility Criminal Court, we were one of the lar, its Security Council. So if you bring that the members of the UN Security seven that did not, was because President Germany and Japan in, you’ve got to Council would voluntarily consent to Clinton apparently felt that it infringed bring in a number of others from the de- turn loose of the veto? on American sovereignty in some re- veloping world to create that balance. spects. That is also the reason we have Remember, right now four of the five Strong: I think that it is likely that any such a difficult time with turning loose of permanent members with veto power are move to reform the Security Council our veto power on the UN Security from the industrialized world. Only that is finally accepted will involve some Council. I had a conversation with China represents the developing world. modification of the veto—perhaps by ex- Secretary of State James Baker in 1993 Under conditions like that, an organiza- tending it to countries that don’t have it. just a month or so after he left power. We tion is bound to lose credibility and, This again would make it more reflective were discussing the emergence of global ultimately, its effectiveness. It has to be of the real world. Secondly, perhaps hav- governance and the difference between brought to a situation where it reflects ing it apply only in certain limited global governance and one-world gov- real world geopolitics. circumstances. Or perhaps more than ernment. He said to me, “We have veto one country would have to join in the power on the UN Security Council, and Baxter: Is that going to happen, and if veto to make it effective. Or providing therefore, that retains the sovereignty of so, how long will it take? some basis, like you do in American pres- the United States.” Is it accurate to say idential politics, where the veto could be that once you tamper with that veto Strong: People have recognized the overridden in the General Assembly, power that you actually are starting to need for some time, but they have not which is like the Congress, by a two- surrender sovereignty? E-mail:, Website: JULY/AUGUST 2000endtime 17
  18. 18. MAURICE STRONG INTERVIEW—PART 2 Strong: No. Let’s be clear about this. process. That is one of the reasons we ment is not achieved, there will be the No nation has to surrender sovereignty. haven’t had the change agreed to yet. evolution of another way of making deci- No nation can certainly force the U.S. to sions that the Security Council never surrender sovereignty. But it is in the Baxter: So what we are saying here is, does outside of the formal structure of the U.S. interest in many cases to make that as long as any of the five permanent Security Council. It could well be decision. On issues that affect its well- members don’t want to surrender their through a committee of the General being and its future, it can only act sovereignty, they could veto that action. Assembly. I am not advocating this. I am effectively in concert with others. Is that correct? just saying that history tells us once insti- Therefore, as an act, as an assertion, of its tutions cease to reflect the political sovereignty, it agrees to be bound by cer- Strong: Well, they can’t veto the con- realities in which they have to exist, they tain international agreements. That is stitutional action directly through their will be bypassed or marginalized. not an abdication of sovereignty. That is exercise of Security Council veto, but, de an exercise of sovereignty, collectively facto, unless a majority of those members Baxter: I understand. It’s obviously with others, in areas where it cannot be agree, the change will not occur. Now not an easy situation when you get right made effective unilaterally. There is a big there will be pressures operating on all of down to it. misunderstanding in many quarters them, which will help to influence them about that. Nobody can force the U.S. to in deciding to agree on measures which Global spirituality at the “Baca” surrender sovereignty. No one can over- involve some change in their own situa- ride U.S. sovereignty. It can only be tion. U.S. has little to fear from this, Baxter: Maurice, I have read an article subjected to international agreements because in the foreseeable future there is some time back in one of the magazines when the U.S. decides voluntarily to no question that the U.S. will always be about a ranch that you own in Colorado agree. Now that isn’t an abdication of a dominant if not the dominant power. that is sort of a Mecca for global spiritual- sovereignty. It is an exercise of sover- The resistance will come from countries ity. Can you tell us about it? eignty. that may lose power or who don’t want Strong: I was a partner in a com- Baxter: Maurice, how would pany that owned a very large that apply to what just happened in Yugoslavia or to Saddam “No nation has to ranch, and we bought a piece of land out of that ranch on the Hussein? Since they don’t have veto power they don’t enjoy that surrender sovereignty. foothills of the San de Cristo Mountains, a beautiful part of same privilege. Is that true? No nation can certainly Southern Colorado. They call it the San Luis Valley. It is one of the Strong: That’s right. That is true. The only powers that do force the U.S. to largest mountain valleys in the world. Beautiful mountains sur- have the privilege are, of course, the five permanent members — surrender sovereignty. round it, and at the base of those mountains is a community we call the Soviet Union—now Russia, the U.S., China, France and But it is in the U.S. the Baca. It is centered on the vil- lage of Crestone. My wife, Britain. interest in many cases Hannah, in particular, through her Manitou Foundation, has made Can Anyone Kill the Veto? to make that decision.” available land for various philo- sophical and spiritual communities Baxter: Who will ultimately be to come out there and develop able to make the decision if there is to be another country to become a permanent their own thing. It is not a homogenizing the setting aside of the veto in some member. For example, India and ecumenical community, but they come cases? Does the General Assembly have Pakistan as you know are in a constant out expressing their own particular tradi- the power to do this or does it take the state of tension these days bordering on tions. They are Hindus, Zen Buddhists, UN Security Council to do this? war. India would be a logical member of Tibetan Buddhists, the Carmelite Order the Security Council if permanent mem- of the Roman Catholic Church—a Strong: It is built into the Charter of berships were increased. Pakistan, whole series of spiritual organizations. the United Nations. The Security however, wouldn’t like that. If Germany Most of them are rather traditional, doing Council itself would be the primary is added to France and Britain, why not their own thing, giving courses to their forum in which that is negotiated, but it Italy? In Latin America, Brazil is the people and conducting retreats; but then will require an act of the General biggest single country, and logically interacting with each other in a commu- Assembly to actually make that change. should become a member. However, nity setting. That is true ecumenism Then, if it is a fundamental charter other countries, while friendly to Brazil, because it is not a forced ecumenism. It is change, it will need to get the endorse- would be unhappy if only Brazil became one that happens simply because they ment of the parliaments of each separate a member. So it will be difficult to have a common interest in a community country. It is a significant and difficult achieve agreement. However, if agree- they all love and enjoy living in. 18 endtime JULY/AUGUST 2000 E-mail:, Website:
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