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The Five Whys - Are We Doing it Wrong?

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As with several Lean concepts of the 20th Century, we should perhaps revisit our original interpretation of this one.

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  • Mike your spot on with the method there is a commonality on how we misinterpret the 5why method. Thanks for the insight
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  • I love this.I tried to guess where you were going before you got there and was surprised anyway. Of course it was obvious once you pointed it out.

    One thing I've been realizing about myself is that I sometimes go too quickly into experimenting (although not as systematically as the IK advises) rather than accessing what I know. I think I don't know when I do, and I reinvent wheels. I tend to try it out before I've thought it out as much as I could. I'm not talking charts and graphs and deep analysis, I'm talking about just a pause to access what I know before I dive in. I catch myself using the concept/practice of experimentation to justify a mental laziness. That's a habit the 5 whys as often applied helps me mitigate. It's a balance I haven't found but am finding. This is fabulous. I'm hoping next time you come out with something as insightful as this I'll guess where you're going before you take me there.
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  • We should use 5 Whys and 5Ws & 1H in scientific studies.
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The Five Whys - Are We Doing it Wrong?

  1. 1. The Five Whys By Mike Rother and Constantin May
  2. 2. CHALLENGING OUR BELIEFS We should be careful to not simply accept 20th Century Lean concepts just because they fit our preconceptions. We've learned a lot since then and it looks like we may have misunderstood some Lean concepts. The '5 Whys' may be an example. ? 2
  3. 3. CONVENTIONAL LEAN WISDOM SAYS... The 5 Whys is an iterative question-asking technique used to explore the cause-and-effect relationships underlying a particular problem. The primary goal of the technique is to determine the root cause of a defect or problem. "By asking why five times and answering it each time, we can get the the real cause of the problem." ~Taiichi Ohno, "Toyota Production System, p. 17 3
  4. 4. TODAY THESE STATEMENTS LOOK MORE LIKE ATTRACTIVE WISHFUL THINKING "By asking why five times and answering it each time, we can get the the real cause of the problem." ~Taiichi Ohno The 5 Whys concept and the quote from Ohno are appealing to our brains, which have a natural urge to want certainty, even when it is not there. Finding the root cause of a problem is typically not possible through discussion, brainstorming, logic and reason. You have to experiment and learn your way to greater knowledge & understanding. At best, asking the 5 Whys is a brainstorming technique, not a problem-solving technique. They don't reveal anything beyond what we already think we know. 4
  5. 5. HOW ABOUT 5 EXPERIMENTS INSTEAD? This is perhaps another case of Toyota explaining something they do in hindsight, and us misunderstanding it. The purpose of asking 'why' is more to find the current Threshold of Knowledge and to do an experiment there. Notice that Ohno doesn't specify how you should answer each "Why?". It's unscientific to cross a knowledge threshold and hunt for root causes simply by brainstorming and discussing. When you encounter a knowledge threshold, turn your attention to designing and carrying out a quick and cheap PDCA experiment to see further. Then you can ask again. IN HINDSIGHT you will perhaps have asked 'why' five times or so, but they weren't asked all at once. They were punctuated by experiments. 5
  6. 6. THE THRESHOLD OF KNOWLEDGE The Threshold of Knowledge is the point at which you have no facts and data and start guessing. The Threshold of Knowledge is difficult to spot because we donʼt realize that our brain is automatically filling in our knowledge gaps. 6
  7. 7. Cause 1 Cause 2 Cause 3 Cause 4 Why? Why? Why? Why?Why? Cause 5 Are you sure? Can you test it? Where are the facts? ASKING THE 5 WHYS IN A SINGLE SITTING OFTEN DOESN'T MAKE SENSE Are you sure? Can you test it? Where are the facts? 7
  8. 8. BECAUSE THE WAY TO A TARGET CONDITION IS NOT A STRAIGHT LINE 8 Knowledge Threshold! Possible causes tested only to here; via facts, data and prior experiments. Condition Curren t Target Condition Cause 3 Cause 2 Cause 1 Cause 3.2 Cause 3.6 Cause 3.5 Cause 3.1 Cause 3.3 Cause 3.4 Why #2 Obstacle 1 Why #3 Obstacle 2 Why #3
  9. 9. TWO DIFFERENT MINDSETS MAY PRODUCE TWO DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS Find my Threshold of Knowledge, where I need to do the next experiment to be able to see further Purpose of asking the 5 WHYS A Person who dislikes uncertainty: Get to root cause of a problem A person who is OK with uncertainty: 9
  10. 10. 10 The scientific process can only confirm or refute; it doesn't define or limit what is possible ahead of time. Quote from The Way of Science by Dennis Trumble
  11. 11. HUMAN ENDEAVOR Perhaps we should more frequently ask ourselves, "Why not?" 11
  12. 12. VIDEO: Striving is Different from Troubleshooting (next page) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd8PetCER8E 12 Dr. Russell Ackoff

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