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Project magazine december 2013 - Richard Bacon Interview


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This is one of many excellent presentations given over the last three years of the eVa in the UK series. They can also be found in the archive at: along with back-copy video footage in http://evaintheuk/pmchannel
EVA19, the long established Earned Value conference, has this year described its theme as looking at a project management ‘ABC’ – Agile, Benefits and Complex.
The four day event, which returns to the Armourers Hall, runs from the 19th to 22nd of May with the flagship conference being held on 20th and 21st May and workshops before and after.
The conference will look at how this ‘ABC’ can be made to work within a portfolio and how agile fits into major and minor projects. It will investigate how to manage the relationship between portfolio benefits and project budgets, and whether complex projects even exist.
Conference organiser and APM chairman, Steve Wake says:
“Currently there is little evidence that this ‘ABC’ is being effectively deployed and managed. This conference aims to address that concern through EVA’s trademark blend of learning and professional development. Case studies and unusual presentations, delivered by top-notch speakers and experienced practitioners, will again engage and entertain the audience.
We’ve used string quartets to illustrate points in the past and this year we will be using a Blues band for the first time.”
Speakers across the two days include many familiar faces from the APM events programme including; Adrian Pyne of the APM ProgM SIG ‘Changing the project wasteland with a portfolio culture that works,’ APM Honorary Fellow Tim Banfield Director at the Major Projects Authority and Stephen Jones, Sellafield and Planning Monitoring and Control Specific Interest Group (PMC SIG) and Carolyn Limbert of the APM PMC SIG to talk about agile, benefits and complex.
Peter Taylor, the Lazy Project Manager will be presenting on “The project manager who smiled” and the ever popular Stephen Carver will present the leadership lessons that can be learnt from Alfred the Great.
In addition, there will be speakers from AIRBUS, TfL, Bloodhound, Heathrow T2 and London Tideway Tunnels.
The conference will be supplemented by a number of workshops being held at the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators, Bloomsbury Square on Monday 19th and Thursday 22nd May 2014.
'eVa in the UK' is building a reputation, brand and a learning legacy for the Project Management Profession. The event series is now in its nineteenth year. It is almost as if it all kicked-off when Steve Wake was in short trousers and knights roamed the land on their chargers!
#eva19 is an excellent example of Listening, Learning and Leading #apmLLL in action, and great opportunity for professional development.
I would encourage anyone who is interested in 'Building a better Project Manager,' to take a look at the web site book your place and get involved.

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Project magazine december 2013 - Richard Bacon Interview

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  2. 2. frf'nTHE PR0JECT HTNTERvIEW pin or no spin, it's commonly accepted - governments will make mistakes. But can we do anything about it? It's a permanent Parliament paradox but the seemingly unanswerable question is one that South Norfolk MP Richard Bacon tackles in hrs book Conundrum. The boo( a^alyses failu'e in'rany h gh-prof e UK publlc sector projects, includrng the National Programme for lT in the NHS, the Child Support Agency, Passport Agency and Student Loans Company. Along with co-author Christopher Hope, senior political correspondent at The Daily Telegraph, Richard says one key reason for repeated prolect fatlures rs recruit ng civil servants on the basis of their cognitive abilities in terms of playing with ideas, rather than their ability to deliver. He quotes former head of the Nationa Aud t Off ice, Sir John Bourn:"The top jobs should go to those who have successfu ly managed programmes and - = - - G = - - = i. t4 proiect DE0EMBER2or3
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  4. 4. ,,THE PR[lFILE OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT IS PERCEPTI()il IN PARLIAMTNT "lthink its making progress," Richard says when qurzzed over Parliament's v ew on project management. "l don't think ts there yet in terms of its status, by any means, but the advent of the Major Projects Authority, the way rt has been rece ved and the calibre of the people nvolved, is positive. "The profile of prolect management rs rising but do we have a series of perrnanent secretarles across Whitehall wrth serious backgrounds in project management? We don't yet but we should." He says new mrnisters eading departments often lack any understanding of the tension between managing large organisat ons and the political process. "They may understand electoral timetables but they often don't fully understand the negatrve impact these may have on managing projects successf u1 ly. " The book's case-study chapters detail examples of very srgnif icant project failures - including the recent lnterC ty West Coast Ma n Llne franchise. "The 12 case-study chapters deliberately straddle different governments. "l wanted to make the point that this is not a party political book and that farlure happens under governments of all parties. " Richard welcomes the MPAs Malor Project Leadership Academy, which is building the skills of senior project leaders across Government. He believes rt will improve percept ons of the profession across Whitehali, leading to better performance. He urges cautron though: "l don't think itl a silver buLlet that will solve a I prob ems, and there may be a danger of creat ng a crop of attractive, valuable peopie whom the private sector tnes to poach. That aspect needs careful management. " IMPLEMEI,ITAII0N AND IDE0L0GY Richard quotes Labour MP Stella Creasy saying: "Governments should notlust start projects or pol cies - the public expects them to be able to f nish them too. Essentially, implementation is as important as ideology in po itics. " ln other words, Wh tehall needs to back up promises with action. And the way you do that, says Richard, is by giving them the tools to de iver. "lf everyone becoming an MP had a deep awareness of project management from day one, then there would be more chance that they wou d al operate towards the same oblective - better project de ivery. " An MP training proqramme in the discipline of project management wou d be beneficial, but probab y unreal stic, he adds. "To become an MP you have to devote so much time to t that it often prevents you from spending time on other things that would give you more experienc."," says R chard. "People often compiain that MPs don't have enough experience, but if they did, they probably wou dn't be MPs " It is another conundrum wh ch brings Richard back to his frrst po nt about having the right people in post in the first place. He uses the announcement of Dav d Higg ns as the new HS2 chief as an example. "lts the best thing that has happened to the prolect. David Hlggins has the righr combination of background and experience. "Of course the question remarns, 'why you wouldn't get someone of that calibre right from the beginning?"' Longevrty is another challenge, according to Richard. Repeated faillngs can often be connected to rapid turnover of both minrsters and civil servants in their ,+1il'.:i:''. ::'-::, -]: '' .-' . 1. RISING.'' .Sl'd:{r:. l-*l' project DEcEMBER2ol3
  5. 5. departmental roles. Richard argues: "This strongly militates against the possibility of things being done well. There are some things that I hold ministers responsible for but this book was not an attempt at apportioning blame. It's not an attack on the civil service or an attack on ministers - I really wrote it to understand better why things go wrong quite so often." PE(}PTE MANAGEMENT "ln a way, this is a book pleading for better project management, " explains Richard, "but it is also about better management of people." The latter part of the book ts focused on behaviour. By including a 50- year history of attempted civil service reforms which have under-delivered and disappointed, the reader can see the impact of human behaviour. "My contention is, if you really want to get improvements, including improvements in projects, then you need to manage more closely how people actually behave. In order to do that, you need to understand why people behave the way they do and, to do that, you need to understand where behaviour comes from. " On page 340 of the book, Richard makes this point abundantly clear. "Where does our behaviour come from? Schmoozing, scheming, consensus building, mediating conflicts, developing trust, abusing trust, mutual fear, total domination, reconciliation under the pressure of circumstances, the development of rivalries, the repairing of ruling coalitions. Which of these behaviours do you recognise?" Richard points out that they are all well-observed behaviours of chimpanzees, adding: "Primatologists remind us that the roots of politics are older than humanity." He says: "We are social primates who are pre-wired to behave in certaln ways to defend our position. To get the best out of people you have to study what makes people tick. lts not an accident if you look at the big organisations who come top in the'best-to-work-for' surveys, whether they're in manufacturing or services, public or private sector, that they're organisations that place a sustained premium on how they look after and bring on their people. "lts not an add-on, its part of what they are and the consequence is they have great people and do great things. " He adds: "A lot of failure stems from behaviour. We should spend more time understanding how people behave, which will help us navigate through the problems we are facing. " So where do we start? This. of course, 15 tne conundrum tr 'j'r:ji F, ii. i,rr ffi;l r+s.i DE0EMBER2ol3 proiect