Steve and I talk about the concept of PLEs, which includes physical and virtual spaces and tools. We also show how increasingly the institutional learning environment is opening up with project such as Bboogle and Google/Moodle integration. We final present our vision of how things may be and infact we can see some examples of such learning environments already (Sakai 3.0 OAE, Canvas) that can be classed a Open and Cloud based learning environments.