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Notes alumni panel_28_oct2011

Metropolia Business School Alumni discuss Double Degree and careers after graduation

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Notes alumni panel_28_oct2011

  1. 1. Notes from alum panel 28 Octob 2011 mni ber Metropol ia Busine School ess Inte ernationa Degree Programmes al9 alumni o the EM a EBA degree prog of and grammes joined us fo breakfas in Myyrm or st mäkibefore for rming a panel to talk to current students about their careers a t after their Bachelor’sdegree.The follow eviations AC LS, LK, P MN, VP TJ, MP CF are us in thes notes wing abbre C, PT, PK, P, sed seto refer to the members of the alumni pa o e anel.DD = dou uble degree eEM = Euro opean MannagementEBA = European Business Adm ministration nFor more informatio about EM and EBA and our double deg on M A d grees see:http://me etropoliabusinessscho ool.fi/________ _________ __________ _________ _________ _________ __________ ____Senior leccturer Michael Keaney chaired t panel discussion and opene by askin y the d ed ngpanellists how internnationalism which ch m haracterises our degre program s ee mmes has helpedtheir careeer.Alumni all agreed th their CV is differe l hat V ent, that they stood out on the j market thanks o job tto the dou uble degree. “The rea ason I’m ssitting here wearing a suit says it all – bec e cause ofyour degrree.” MN“Language skills will put you ahead and you should undere e l a dn’t estimate th effect th he hatstudying in English w have on your car will o reer.” VPK
  2. 2. Students are advised to try to understand the strengths of our own cultural background. “Iwant to have people in my teams who look at the world in a wider perspective. I’mmaking products for human beings so I need people who know how to get on withpeople.” VPK For double degree students, adapting to another country and culture comesnaturally but nevertheless you need to be open to influences of your own culturalbackground.MN “Think outside the box. Don’t be afraid of putting your CV online. I put mine inMonster and was hunted that way.”The DD shows your interest in finding out about the world and cultures. Rovio for instanceare looking for certain skills and talent - who has international experience.TJ “When I was studying this was a pretty new animal. We had to do work placementabroad so we had to start moving in international arena.”The double degree is highly respected by employers. It gives you skills such as flexibilityand adaptability which companies are looking for. It’s very hard to find a pure Finnishcompany so you are going to need these skills.TJ Finance is international. There is no such thing as national finance unless you want towork in N Korea.CF Learning to deal with people from different backgrounds helps as cultures are verydifferent. We get emails from London and they expect an answer right away not when youhave time. That’s just one aspect of work culture you will learn when you go abroad.LK Try to take the best out of the group work you do. Although it can be tough it’spreparing you for the challenges of working in a company. (e.g. it is very multicultural inNSN)Remember when you sell yourself it’s not just what you are but also how you advertise it.AC “With this degree it really is much easier to get better starting positions. I was one of50 at interview. I didn’t think I’d have a chance for that job but I told the interviewer allabout my internship, 11 months in a PR agency in Sydney. Talk big. The way you reallyare.”Mr Keaney then asked “What do you think you received as students studying on ourprogramme of value? What have you taken away from your experiences here in Finland aswell as the international aspect?”
  3. 3. VPK It’s very easy to undervalue your lectures and assignments. I was working while Iwas studying so it was easy for me to see the link. You will come to those “boring”principles in working life. You will collect back that information and have to go back to thebook again. Everything will start coming back to you.MN I used to think this programme prepares you for everything and nothing. I found outlater that a lot of very important fundamentals were laid here. Especially the principles ofmarketing I still understand it’s best to be first thanks to Simcoe. The other thing I foundof value was how to be a good presenter. These are the things I am using daily in my jobin sales. So those fundamentals have really stuck and laid the foundation for me. So ifyou’re thinking about a job in sales please pay attention to those courses where you learnto give presentations.TJ You’re getting a fairly well-thought out package. When I was studying IT databases inHolland I thought “Why on earth am I learning this?” then I found myself making theTreasury system for Hewlett Packard. I needed half IT and half people skills. Navnit Kohli(accounting lecturer in INHOLLAND) was right about what had to learn by heart for thereal world. These things will pop up again.VPK Your education will only take you so far. When you come to the workplace you’relearning every single day. Be open to what is out there.LK My time in Australia taught me what I want from my life.Questions from the audienceQ What kind of mistakes have you made in your early career?AC In my first job, I made the mistake that I was pushing 200%. I was really close toburnout. You don’t have to do that. Remember to balance your private and work life. As ayoung female I was trying to show that I’m the best there is. It’s ok for short periods butfor a year it’s too long.Q What kind of challenges will we face when we step into working life?TJ You’ll step into an environment where everything tends to be commercially driven.That’s one thing that needs recalibration of your head.Some companies have a well-thought out induction programme or graduate programme.Inevitably in the beginning this can mean long hours but remember to tone it down.You also start making money!
  4. 4. LK You’ll feel you need to make a lifelong decision but it’s not that hard to choose. Somerecent graduates are struggling to make that first step.VPK You will face a challenge when you come straight out of school – so having a chanceto work while you study really eases your transition into the business world.LS Don’t miss the opportunity of your internship to try something new – rather than stayin the company of your summer job. Starting in a new job is tough especially when you’reexpected to learn a lot in a short time.Q When you graduated did you already have a plan worked out?PT I wanted to work in marketing but there were only a few jobs going at that time on theinternet and hundreds of people applying at the same time. They always appointed theperson with many years of experience in the end. I had a plan for marketing jobs and I’mglad that I waited for the opportunity and where I’m working now. That was a good plan.TJ Work placement is a great thing because it gives you a chance to figure out if this iswhat you really want to do. (Finance)Getting the first job is the hardest. Your network can help you navigate to get to your firstjob.Q We hear a lot about the importance of networking in our courses. What are yourexperiences about “it’s who you know”?CF I sent 110 applications for a marketing internship. Once I got into the agency (Carat) Iwent to all the events on offer. Since then I’ve had 3 places and I’ve never had to apply toone of them. If you’re good at what you do, they’ll call you.LK I did my thesis through the network established on my internship.PT I got my first job through a contact. I found out that in the advertising field there areno open jobs – it is mainly through contacts and networking.TJ It can work the other way around though if you don’t know anything! You need tobecome a specialist in something. That may mean studying another degree.Q How did your EM/EBA studies help in further studies?TJ Let’s say that the courses here are e.g. 10cm high, the basics, but when you studymore you go drilling deep into a place you couldn’t know existed. The bachelor’s degreehelps to give the foundation but you’re going to have to choose later – e.g. taking aprofessional diploma in a specific field.
  5. 5. I’m wondering what to do after graduation. Should I continue my studies or go straight toworking life.AC I recommend going to working life first. It’s always harder to get the first job afteryour masters.VPK Become enthusiastic for something and find what it is you enjoy in life. For me it wasgaming – my enthusiasm for games was important and it got me into the field.Each member of our alumni panel received a special Metropolia Business School goodybag.Thank you all!Notes taken by Louise Stansfield----------------------------------For more information about EM and EBA and our double degrees see:http://metropoliabusinessschool.fi/

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