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Lowering the
Barriers to
Inter-institutional
Distance Legal
Education
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
What is Distance Legal Education?
• Obvious
– Videoconference Courses
– Web courses
– Media by Mail
• Less Obvious
– Co-te...
What is Distance Legal Education?
• Synchronous
– Videoconferencing
– Webcast
– Chat
– Conference call
• Asynchronous
– We...
Why is DLE Interesting?
• Learning anytime, anywhere
• Student-centered learning
model
• Attuned to Net-Gen students
• Att...
Why is DLE Interesting?
REQUIRES FACULTY
AND INSTITUTIONS TO
EXAMINE THE
LEARNING PROCESS
TO
…but, does Legal Education need
to improve?
• Too expensive
• Grads not ready for
practice
• Faculty emphasize
scholarship...
Law is more important than ever
• Law is more ubiquitous than ever
• Law is non-violent war
• Law is friction to business
...
Law is more important than ever
• We didn’t use to question
our doctors…
• We didn’t use to know so
much about computers
•...
Why is DLE Interesting?
DLE as a Marketing Defense
• Online law schools succeeding
• There are new for-profit law
schools in the US that challenge...
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
DLE Case Study:
Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
DLE Case Study:
Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
What’s going on at Your Law
School?
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
Barriers to DLE
• Institutional Interest
• Aversion to Pioneering
• Technical challenges
• Finding the markets
• Administr...
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
• Address N x M Problem
• Web services, tools,
databases, surveys, etc.
• Training – maybe
• Bring to surface scattered
in...
• Observe
• Report
• Disseminate
• Facilitate
• Innovate
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
Progress Report
• 48 members
• http://codec.cali.org
• Presentations at 6 schools
• Japan and Europe
• Peter Martin’s DE o...
Videoconferencing Survey
• 77 Responders
• October 2004
• 22% do not use VC
• 17% use university computing or
media servic...
Videoconferencing Survey
• 49% used VC for guest lecturers
• 40% have used VC for a
semester-length course
• 41% conducted...
Grades and Calendars
Classifieds
ClassCaster
• 20% own MP3 players (under 30)
• PodCasting = automatic
download (like a mailing list)
• Classroom + Podcast...
2. In class, play back the interview
1. Outside of class, call your
interviewee and conference in
ClassCaster
ClassCaster
...
1. Register at CALI website
2. When class starts,
Make a phone call
3. Teach the class
4. Students download to their
iPod ...
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Audio Legal Education Ideas
• Pre-recorded interviews with attorneys
in current events cases
• “Phone in” lectures instead...
Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Prof...
SWOT
Strengths:
• What are DLE/CODEC’s advantages?
• What can DLE/CODEC do well?
• What do other people see as DLE/CODEC’s...
Lowering the
Barriers to
Inter-institutional
Distance Legal
Education CLOSING REMARKS
2005 CODEC Workshop (COnsortium on Distance Education / CALI
2005 CODEC Workshop (COnsortium on Distance Education / CALI
2005 CODEC Workshop (COnsortium on Distance Education / CALI
2005 CODEC Workshop (COnsortium on Distance Education / CALI
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This is my slide deck from a 2005 workshop that CALI coordinated about distance learning in legal education. The issues at the www.wgdlle.org meeting are quite similar 10 years ago.

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2005 CODEC Workshop (COnsortium on Distance Education / CALI

  1. 1. Lowering the Barriers to Inter-institutional Distance Legal Education
  2. 2. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  3. 3. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  4. 4. What is Distance Legal Education? • Obvious – Videoconference Courses – Web courses – Media by Mail • Less Obvious – Co-teaching – Guest lecturers – Partial DLE – DLE “pieces” • “Outside the Box” – LE for non-lawyers (for profit?) – LE for the public (public service) – Expanding Int’l opportunities
  5. 5. What is Distance Legal Education? • Synchronous – Videoconferencing – Webcast – Chat – Conference call • Asynchronous – Web-based materials – Lessons – Discussion (threaded, email, etc.) – Offline Access Course Design Technology Staffing Costs Scalability Re-use
  6. 6. Why is DLE Interesting? • Learning anytime, anywhere • Student-centered learning model • Attuned to Net-Gen students • Attract or serve previously un- servable students • Co-optition (cooperate & compete) • New Markets/Revenue • …most important
  7. 7. Why is DLE Interesting? REQUIRES FACULTY AND INSTITUTIONS TO EXAMINE THE LEARNING PROCESS TO
  8. 8. …but, does Legal Education need to improve? • Too expensive • Grads not ready for practice • Faculty emphasize scholarship - teaching excellence is not rewarded • Other issues? want
  9. 9. Law is more important than ever • Law is more ubiquitous than ever • Law is non-violent war • Law is friction to business • Law is codified morality • Law is advocacy’s sharpest tool • Law practice is legal education for clients • …in short… EVERYONE should be a lawyer!
  10. 10. Law is more important than ever • We didn’t use to question our doctors… • We didn’t use to know so much about computers • “Legal Literacy” is the next big global/societal literacy wave
  11. 11. Why is DLE Interesting?
  12. 12. DLE as a Marketing Defense • Online law schools succeeding • There are new for-profit law schools in the US that challenge the traditional model of LE • Legal education industry in bar reviews and supplemental materials • Huge unmet demand for legal assistance • Huge increases in SRLs and greater demand for A2J
  13. 13. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  14. 14. DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
  15. 15. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  16. 16. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  17. 17. DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
  18. 18. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  19. 19. What’s going on at Your Law School?
  20. 20. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  21. 21. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  22. 22. Barriers to DLE • Institutional Interest • Aversion to Pioneering • Technical challenges • Finding the markets • Administrivia • Quality • Others?
  23. 23. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  24. 24. • Address N x M Problem • Web services, tools, databases, surveys, etc. • Training – maybe • Bring to surface scattered interest • Don’t have to start from scratch • Applied Research Lowering the Barriers
  25. 25. • Observe • Report • Disseminate • Facilitate • Innovate
  26. 26. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  27. 27. Progress Report • 48 members • http://codec.cali.org • Presentations at 6 schools • Japan and Europe • Peter Martin’s DE on DLE • Videoconferencing Survey • Grades and Calendars • Classifieds • ClassCaster Notre Dame Boston College Rutgers-Newark Rutgers-Camden Chicago-Kent U Washington
  28. 28. Videoconferencing Survey • 77 Responders • October 2004 • 22% do not use VC • 17% use university computing or media services for VC • 25% have NO VC facilities at law school • 39% have roll-around units • 25% have perm-installed seminar room for VC
  29. 29. Videoconferencing Survey • 49% used VC for guest lecturers • 40% have used VC for a semester-length course • 41% conducted NO course related VC in FY03-04 • 11% conducted several/week course-related VC sessions • 34% used VC for student interviews
  30. 30. Grades and Calendars
  31. 31. Classifieds
  32. 32. ClassCaster • 20% own MP3 players (under 30) • PodCasting = automatic download (like a mailing list) • Classroom + Podcasting = ClassCasting
  33. 33. 2. In class, play back the interview 1. Outside of class, call your interviewee and conference in ClassCaster ClassCaster 3. After class, students can listen to the interview via the web or download to their MP3player
  34. 34. 1. Register at CALI website 2. When class starts, Make a phone call 3. Teach the class 4. Students download to their iPod or listen to the lecture via the web. 5. Faculty downloads and edits For future classes, distance learning, etc.
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  36. 36. Audio Legal Education Ideas • Pre-recorded interviews with attorneys in current events cases • “Phone in” lectures instead of canceling class • Audio exam reviews • Director Commentary on Law Review Articles • CALI Lecturettes – Difficult concepts in <?> – Foundations of <?> – “This will be on the exam”
  37. 37. Agenda • Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS • What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools? • DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU • Break • DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS • Attendee Testimonials • Break • If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions? – What are the Barriers? – How can we lower them? – CODEC Progress Report – SWOT Exercise • Closing Remarks
  38. 38. SWOT Strengths: • What are DLE/CODEC’s advantages? • What can DLE/CODEC do well? • What do other people see as DLE/CODEC’s strengths? Weaknesses: • What could DLE/CODEC improve? • What does DLE/CODEC do badly? • What should DLE/CODEC avoid? Opportunities: • Where are the good opportunities for DLE/CODEC? • What are the interesting trends for DLE/CODEC? Threats • What obstacles does DLE/CODEC face? • What is the competition doing? • Are the required specifications for CODEC or DLE changing? • Is changing technology threatening DLE/CODEC?
  39. 39. Lowering the Barriers to Inter-institutional Distance Legal Education CLOSING REMARKS

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