Collective   vs.   individual Wikipedia  The state  of the Web 2.0 Social Networks, et.al.
Lanier-   Digital Maoism
The growth  of the collective <ul><li>Current misconceptions: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>The collective is all wise </li></ul><...
Wikipedia =  not that great <ul><li>Lacks an editorial voice </li></ul><ul><li>decontextualizes </li></ul><ul><li>The know...
Aggregation  instead of  Authorship <ul><li>Aggregating sites are  “consensus Web filters” </li></ul><ul><li>They tend to ...
<ul><li>The race to be the  highest level aggregator </li></ul><ul><li>The info. we receive  is what  a  collectivity algo...
The threat of the   Hive Mind <ul><li>There’s no one taking responsibility </li></ul><ul><li>Remove the scent of people  ...
Time & speed   in the   collective <ul><li>Can move too quickly: “ mind grazing tendency ” </li></ul><ul><li>Can change in...
Dangers  of the  Hive Mind <ul><li>Empowering has resulted in “nasty hive mind outbursts” – Maoist , Fascist & religious f...
Collective thought  is becoming  mainstream <ul><li>Good authorship is out of style.  </li></ul><ul><li>The aggregator is ...
Collective thought  is becoming  mainstream <ul><li>This way of thinking is  going further  than the Internet </li></ul><u...
Collective  vs.  Individual <ul><li>Wisdom of the crowd  is real & useful </li></ul><ul><li>Shouldn’t define its own quest...
Mixing  is  best <ul><li>Both kinds of intelligences are essential </li></ul><ul><li>“ The best examples of collective int...
Responses! Lanier’s essay triggered much needed explanations and clarifications
Understanding   Wikipedia
Understanding   Wikipedia <ul><li>Nor the  Wikipedia , or any other collective entities, are pure hive mind. Wikipedia has...
Understanding   Wikipedia <ul><li>Its uniqueness also resides in its  shared policy , providing guidelines to the situatio...
Understanding   Wikipedia <ul><li>It does not  overthrow any elite- -it replaces the academic elite with the interactive m...
Understanding   Wikipedia <ul><li>10 years ago it would’ve been seen as impossible, and now the product of  well-intention...
Criteria  /  Literacy
Criteria  /  Literacy <ul><li>User-created databases cannot be used with  blind confidence . – DR </li></ul><ul><li>We nee...
Criteria  /  Literacy <ul><li>Reading  Wikipedia  is a media literacy exercise.  –CD </li></ul><ul><li>A system needs to b...
Understanding the Hive Mind  /  The Collective
Hive Mind  /  The Collective <ul><li>Collective action  is not the same as  collectivism .  </li></ul><ul><li>It involves ...
Hive Mind  /  The Collective <ul><li>A networked collaboration is an  ecology of interdependencies,  with status and influ...
The   Individual /  Authorship
The   Individual <ul><li>The individual is, too, a  social construction  – DR </li></ul><ul><li>Markets, governments socia...
The Cultural   Problem
Cultural   Problem <ul><li>Many current websites have more  aggregation  that original works, but of Western culture since...
Cultural   Problem <ul><li>Shift to  “Epistemic collectivism”  --  placing the views of the collective uppermost.  </li></...
New   Form   of   Production
New   Form   of   Production <ul><li>Network based social production is an  alternative form  to markets, firms and govern...
New   Form  of  Production <ul><li>“ It is also about persistence—and celebrating the reality that knowledge is an  ongoin...
Lanier-  World Wide   Mush
Collectivism  is becoming  the   norm <ul><li>This is the way people are  participating </li></ul><ul><li>Shift from more ...
The Global   Mush <ul><li>Too many voices  drown each other </li></ul><ul><li>Everyone knows what work is going on </li></...
Contradicts  the economic trend <ul><li>US shift of its economic strategy </li></ul><ul><li>Physical labor    intellectua...
The framework   isn’t working <ul><li>Intellectual property  impedes information flow & sharing </li></ul><ul><li>The ‘ op...
The framework   isn’t working <ul><li>Intellectual work produced  for free     the author gets  recognition      </li></...
The fallacy   of collectivism <ul><li>Extending the experience of childhood </li></ul><ul><li>Naïve idea of fairness </li>...
The Digital   Given Ten Web 2.0 Theses more questions raised than answered
0.  Internet is neither the problem  nor the solution <ul><li>The virtual is the everyday </li></ul><ul><li>Is it “an indi...
<ul><li>The Web is out of the guilt   in the financial crisis </li></ul><ul><li>Is it really not affected at all? </li></u...
2.  Networks  =  social drugs     for   entertainment & diffussion   <ul><li>Entertainment  --  Is this a new phenomenon, ...
3.  SN=   fashion victims   of   impulsive grazing mentality <ul><li>“ What the online world needs is  sustainable social ...
4.  Are there collective concepts   of the   networked masses ? <ul><li>“ Better SN are  organized networks  involving bet...
5.  The Web lacks   antagonistic    linkage <ul><li>Where is the  enemy  on the Web? </li></ul><ul><li>Are SN  the only wa...
6.  Social networks   are   very real <ul><li>Real activity goes on that takes a toll on  productivity and time . </li></u...
7.  The network     won’t be revolutionized <ul><li>“ There is  no fertile ground  for social transformation in the Web” <...
8.  There’s nothing free     about the Web. <ul><li>“ Free is just another word for  service economies” </li></ul><ul><li>...
9.  The Web is fueled   by the     endless growth of consumerism <ul><li>We have to ellaborate technologies for a  finite ...
10.  We need     complex digital identities <ul><li>Is the obsession with  virtual identity  opposite to real identity dev...
<ul><li>Is it really harder for older generations to understand collective thought? </li></ul>
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  1. 1. Collective vs. individual Wikipedia The state of the Web 2.0 Social Networks, et.al.
  2. 2. Lanier- Digital Maoism
  3. 3. The growth of the collective <ul><li>Current misconceptions: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>The collective is all wise </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>It is desirable to have few coordinating actors </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Not to be mistaken with democracy or meritocracy—closer to extreme political tendencies. </li></ul></ul></ul>
  4. 4. Wikipedia = not that great <ul><li>Lacks an editorial voice </li></ul><ul><li>decontextualizes </li></ul><ul><li>The knowledge was already out there There is no authorship (good writing is more than accuracy) </li></ul><ul><li>Strong in changing topics </li></ul><ul><li>Most likely it won’t correct its own mistakes </li></ul>
  5. 5. Aggregation instead of Authorship <ul><li>Aggregating sites are “consensus Web filters” </li></ul><ul><li>They tend to filter according to popularity (ice cream vs. Earthquake) </li></ul><ul><li>Accumulated page layers create a meaningless murk </li></ul>
  6. 6. <ul><li>The race to be the highest level aggregator </li></ul><ul><li>The info. we receive is what a collectivity algorithm derives from what other derived from what collectives chose from amateur writers . </li></ul><ul><li>Value comes from real humans </li></ul>
  7. 7. The threat of the Hive Mind <ul><li>There’s no one taking responsibility </li></ul><ul><li>Remove the scent of people  simulate that the content emerges directly from the Web </li></ul><ul><li>“ people become uncritical and dim to make these sites become coherent” </li></ul><ul><li>- Do you think it’s true? Are standards lowered? </li></ul>
  8. 8. Time & speed in the collective <ul><li>Can move too quickly: “ mind grazing tendency ” </li></ul><ul><li>Can change incessantly matters that need to be settled </li></ul><ul><li>Might move in the right direction but too slowly </li></ul><ul><li>Lack of rules can slow its development </li></ul>
  9. 9. Dangers of the Hive Mind <ul><li>Empowering has resulted in “nasty hive mind outbursts” – Maoist , Fascist & religious fanatism </li></ul><ul><li>“ Good enough” is a dangerous illusion. </li></ul>
  10. 10. Collective thought is becoming mainstream <ul><li>Good authorship is out of style. </li></ul><ul><li>The aggregator is richer than the aggregated. </li></ul><ul><li>Blogging is easy crowd pleasing </li></ul><ul><li>Popularity dictates the trends & alternatives are left outside (American Idol) </li></ul>
  11. 11. Collective thought is becoming mainstream <ul><li>This way of thinking is going further than the Internet </li></ul><ul><li>Technology is a good seller. </li></ul><ul><li>Privilege of collective knowledge over ideas. </li></ul><ul><li>Minimizes risks & responsibilities. </li></ul>
  12. 12. Collective vs. Individual <ul><li>Wisdom of the crowd is real & useful </li></ul><ul><li>Shouldn’t define its own questions </li></ul><ul><li>Good for info. that can be evaluated by fixed parameters </li></ul><ul><li>Open source is very efficient in engineering </li></ul><ul><li>Bad in taste & judgement </li></ul><ul><li>Needs information filters </li></ul><ul><li>Can help keep individuals in check </li></ul><ul><li>Good for user interfaces and experiences. </li></ul><ul><li>Intelligent thought is needed for science, design, lawmaking, aesthetics. </li></ul>
  13. 13. Mixing is best <ul><li>Both kinds of intelligences are essential </li></ul><ul><li>“ The best examples of collective intelligences are those that are guided by well-meaning individuals” </li></ul><ul><li>“ Clever individuals ask the questions and the collective behavior answers them ” </li></ul>
  14. 14. Responses! Lanier’s essay triggered much needed explanations and clarifications
  15. 15. Understanding Wikipedia
  16. 16. Understanding Wikipedia <ul><li>Nor the Wikipedia , or any other collective entities, are pure hive mind. Wikipedia has an elite at is center , and a lot of deliberate design management going on. –KK </li></ul><ul><li>“ It is an engaged community that uses a large and growing number of regulatory mechanisms to manage a huge set of proposed edits. Anonymous additions are subjected to a higher degree of control.” –CSh </li></ul><ul><li>W. provides the transparency that almost no other system offers, by giving full context of the discussion on any entry in the “talk pages”. </li></ul><ul><li>This publicly available context distinguishes it from algorithmic or market-based aggregation. -FV&MW </li></ul>
  17. 17. Understanding Wikipedia <ul><li>Its uniqueness also resides in its shared policy , providing guidelines to the situations that emerge in editing. -FV&MW </li></ul><ul><li>Crowd editing usually comes with current events, and plummets after the event loses media exposure, and the core group of editors takes over. -FV&MW </li></ul><ul><li>Authoring at here, as everywhere, is done by individuals exercising the judgment of their own minds . –JW </li></ul>
  18. 18. Understanding Wikipedia <ul><li>It does not overthrow any elite- -it replaces the academic elite with the interactive media one.- DR </li></ul><ul><li>Its flaws are real, but worth enduring because we can watch the community operate. – DG </li></ul><ul><li>W. is great not only because it gives an averaged view that is better than an authoritative statement by experts. </li></ul><ul><li>It also organizes enormous amounts of labor for a single intellectual purpose. – LS </li></ul><ul><li>It was created in almost no time, for almost no cost, by people who had no access to the traditional cannon . – CD </li></ul>
  19. 19. Understanding Wikipedia <ul><li>10 years ago it would’ve been seen as impossible, and now the product of well-intentioned individuals is being compared with the highest standards. – YB </li></ul><ul><li>It allows learning about the discussions that go under the task of defining “truth” —since truth is an illusion and there’s always more than one approach to any issue. – CD </li></ul><ul><li>The 2006 Wikipedia template might not be good for of other kinds of information of creative works, but the 2056 one may. - KK </li></ul>
  20. 20. Criteria / Literacy
  21. 21. Criteria / Literacy <ul><li>User-created databases cannot be used with blind confidence . – DR </li></ul><ul><li>We need to respect and preserve our own intelligence . The dangers of relinquishing individual intelligence are real. – GD </li></ul><ul><li>We need to update our media literacy . </li></ul><ul><li>Our critical thinking fell into a low level of use in the Big Media world.- DG </li></ul><ul><li>“ We need better tools to help the community judge reliability and authenticity. (Harris) </li></ul><ul><li>Reputation has to become part of the mix. - DG </li></ul>
  22. 22. Criteria / Literacy <ul><li>Reading Wikipedia is a media literacy exercise. –CD </li></ul><ul><li>A system needs to be designed to guard against mediocre or malicious contributions through filters. –YB </li></ul><ul><li>What is successful filtering? Aggregation is just one more example of the problem of the excess of information & what is managed to be heard. –QH </li></ul><ul><li>Since social life involves a tension between individual freedom and group participation, the changes wrought by computers and networks are therefore in tension. -CSh </li></ul>
  23. 23. Understanding the Hive Mind / The Collective
  24. 24. Hive Mind / The Collective <ul><li>Collective action is not the same as collectivism . </li></ul><ul><li>It involves freely chosen self-election and distributed coordination. </li></ul><ul><li>Commons-based peer production and open source software is collective action . – HR </li></ul><ul><li>Collectivism involves coercion and centralized control. – HR </li></ul><ul><li>Collectivism does exist, but is not inherent in tools, like wikis; or in methods, such as collaboration and aggregation . – LS </li></ul><ul><li>All intelligence is collective . – GD </li></ul>
  25. 25. Hive Mind / The Collective <ul><li>A networked collaboration is an ecology of interdependencies, with status and influences. –DR </li></ul><ul><li>There are things wrong with each form of collective action, but the same mistakes are not made in each of them. -CSh </li></ul><ul><li>Top-down control is inserted to speed and direct a system toward its goals. Until this era, technology was primarily all control and design. Now it can be design and hive . –KK </li></ul><ul><li>Wikipedia is an example of the fact that the bottom-up hive mind will take us much further than it seems possible. It also proves that the hive mind by itself won’t ever take us to our goal. –KK </li></ul><ul><li>The issue is more about community than a collective. –DG </li></ul>
  26. 26. The Individual / Authorship
  27. 27. The Individual <ul><li>The individual is, too, a social construction – DR </li></ul><ul><li>Markets, governments social relations & platforms are overlapping systems within which the individual exists – YB </li></ul><ul><li>Authorship </li></ul><ul><li>Science and technology’s greatest achievements are articulations of collective realizations -not personal accomplishments –DR </li></ul><ul><li>Historically, the best way to keep the important things around is to reduce the barriers to entry . –CD </li></ul>
  28. 28. The Cultural Problem
  29. 29. Cultural Problem <ul><li>Many current websites have more aggregation that original works, but of Western culture since post-modernism exists in the realm of context and reference . –DR </li></ul><ul><li>There is a replacement of the key components of culture by the priorities of consumer capitalism . –DR </li></ul><ul><li>There’s an industrial system-form of knowledge and cultural production that causes to the exclusion of social and peer-production.” –YB </li></ul>
  30. 30. Cultural Problem <ul><li>Shift to “Epistemic collectivism” -- placing the views of the collective uppermost. </li></ul><ul><li>It is rooted in relativism: if there is no objective truth that we can be wrong or right about, then there is no way to make sense of expertise or intellectual authority. –LS </li></ul><ul><li>Pop culture has always existed, and doesn’t substitute “the great stuff”- QH </li></ul>
  31. 31. New Form of Production
  32. 32. New Form of Production <ul><li>Network based social production is an alternative form to markets, firms and governments . – YB </li></ul><ul><li>It might be taking us away from individualism and back towards folk culture, but it’s also possible that a third thing might be happening . – QH </li></ul><ul><li>Strong collaboration represents a new kind of “industrial revolution” for mental effort . – LS </li></ul>
  33. 33. New Form of Production <ul><li>“ It is also about persistence—and celebrating the reality that knowledge is an ongoing process .” - DG </li></ul><ul><li>The distributed blogosphere can sometimes correct the mass media failings . – YB </li></ul><ul><li>The new distributed system is imperfect, but it’s harder to corrupt than the advertising-supported media that dominated the 20th century. – YB </li></ul>
  34. 34. Lanier- World Wide Mush
  35. 35. Collectivism is becoming the norm <ul><li>This is the way people are participating </li></ul><ul><li>Shift from more passive ways </li></ul><ul><li>Internet dream come true- in a way. </li></ul>
  36. 36. The Global Mush <ul><li>Too many voices drown each other </li></ul><ul><li>Everyone knows what work is going on </li></ul><ul><li>No competition = less innovation and diversity </li></ul><ul><li>Consensus & committee = Dull, average outcome </li></ul><ul><li>Proprietary development is still the most successful </li></ul>
  37. 37. Contradicts the economic trend <ul><li>US shift of its economic strategy </li></ul><ul><li>Physical labor  intellectual activities </li></ul><ul><li>Outsource manufacture </li></ul><ul><li>Focus on intellectual property (design, entertainment, etc) </li></ul>
  38. 38. The framework isn’t working <ul><li>Intellectual property impedes information flow & sharing </li></ul><ul><li>The ‘ open ’ paradigm = give away your brain’s work for kudos </li></ul><ul><li>Only a handful are making a living </li></ul><ul><li>The big players will still make money </li></ul><ul><li>The rest will be forced to work for sole recognition </li></ul>
  39. 39. The framework isn’t working <ul><li>Intellectual work produced for free  the author gets recognition  </li></ul><ul><li>he becomes branded  </li></ul><ul><li>he cashes in by doing alternative </li></ul><ul><li>( physical ) work  </li></ul><ul><li>This work is threatened by technology . </li></ul><ul><li>It should be creating better jobs for people </li></ul>
  40. 40. The fallacy of collectivism <ul><li>Extending the experience of childhood </li></ul><ul><li>Naïve idea of fairness </li></ul><ul><li>Aggregation shouldn’t substitute energy </li></ul><ul><li>Young people  fierce, competitive individuals that innovate and earn royalties. </li></ul><ul><li>Q: does the market allow for more benefit than collective work? </li></ul>
  41. 41. The Digital Given Ten Web 2.0 Theses more questions raised than answered
  42. 42. 0. Internet is neither the problem nor the solution <ul><li>The virtual is the everyday </li></ul><ul><li>Is it “an indiferent bystander”? </li></ul><ul><li>Does it play an actual role? </li></ul>
  43. 43. <ul><li>The Web is out of the guilt in the financial crisis </li></ul><ul><li>Is it really not affected at all? </li></ul><ul><li>“ There is still hyper-growth werever you look”--How does its growth remain separate from the rest of the system? </li></ul><ul><li>“ Apps. get lost inside the boring & uncertain life” </li></ul>
  44. 44. 2. Networks = social drugs for entertainment & diffussion <ul><li>Entertainment -- Is this a new phenomenon, or was it there all along? And is it a bad thing? (E) </li></ul><ul><li>“ Most sites are echo chambers of the same old opinions and patterns” </li></ul><ul><li>Can conflict manifest in this giant ‘confort zone’? </li></ul>
  45. 45. 3. SN= fashion victims of impulsive grazing mentality <ul><li>“ What the online world needs is sustainable social relations ” </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Scaleabiltiy is achieved, but sustainability is also needed for change </li></ul></ul><ul><li>What can a network do to foster truly diverse communities ? </li></ul><ul><li>What has made FB remain the ‘ meadow of choice ’ for so long? </li></ul>
  46. 46. 4. Are there collective concepts of the networked masses ? <ul><li>“ Better SN are organized networks involving better individuals” </li></ul><ul><li>Friend and tweet don’t signal intelligence , creativity or socialism. </li></ul><ul><li>Imagination for transformation  Let’s kill the click </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Can everybody be a concept designer ? </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Do older generations have a harder time grasping networked collectivity? </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Is collaborative thought a given for our generation? </li></ul></ul>
  47. 47. 5. The Web lacks antagonistic linkage <ul><li>Where is the enemy on the Web? </li></ul><ul><li>Are SN the only ways to link ? How about hacking, phishing, bombing? </li></ul>
  48. 48. 6. Social networks are very real <ul><li>Real activity goes on that takes a toll on productivity and time . </li></ul><ul><li>All this hard work hasn’t made any substantial change . </li></ul>
  49. 49. 7. The network won’t be revolutionized <ul><li>“ There is no fertile ground for social transformation in the Web” </li></ul><ul><li>Why??? </li></ul><ul><li>Is it a reflection of the larger social reality ? </li></ul>
  50. 50. 8. There’s nothing free about the Web. <ul><li>“ Free is just another word for service economies” </li></ul><ul><li>We are limited by our capacity as data producers </li></ul>
  51. 51. 9. The Web is fueled by the endless growth of consumerism <ul><li>We have to ellaborate technologies for a finite world </li></ul><ul><li>Can “ insane development ” on the Web eat the system up? </li></ul>
  52. 52. 10. We need complex digital identities <ul><li>Is the obsession with virtual identity opposite to real identity development? </li></ul><ul><li>Is a fake persona the solution to outsmarting the control society? </li></ul>
  53. 53. <ul><li>Is it really harder for older generations to understand collective thought? </li></ul>

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