The Point Grey - Cornwall Corridor
A Dialogue Resulting in a Safe Solution
Duane Nickull -
West 6th Avenue
•Enterprise Sof...
Considerations:
• A lot of people & ton of work into proposals.
o Please be respectful.
o No personal attacks please.
• Ce...
Common Goals
Greenest City in the world (2020)
Safe places to cycle
City land use part of regional, holistic
approach (...
We are for cycling safety!
Work and process to date is good yet brings up
question.
 Some assumptions and details need a...
Today’s Goals:
• Listen to any outstanding concerns about the
plan;
• Work offline to address them prior to the vote
next ...
Out of Scope for today’s Conversation
• Reckless cyclists/motorists (existing laws
cover)
• Finger pointing or blame.
• No...
Some of the claims we have heard?
• “ICBC records show 143 crashes on this
stretch of road between 2005-2009, with two
thi...
Public Consultation?
• “Contrary to recent claims that the city is not listening to
citizens, the city notes that it has h...
a. Discrepancies in data: Can we maybe sit down to
reconcile?
b. Insufficient data available for data modeling of traffic
...
Existing Hornby St. Separated Bike Lane
22
Seven “Right in /
Right out” crossings
in 10 blocks
Seven “Right in /
Right out...
TWO WAY BIKE LANE
Proposed Bike Lane
66
Ten “All directional”
crossings in 2 blocks
Ten “All directional”
crossings in 2 blocks
44
Considerations?
• Do the proposals:
o Minimize conflict between all road users?
o Provide a safer environment?
• What do y...
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The Point Grey - Cornwall controversy: Who is this road for?

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When: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:30 PM
Where: SFU Vancouver, Harbour Centre 515 West Hastings, Room 1600

Pt. Grey Road and Cornwall Ave. link the Burrard Bridge with Jericho Beach. They’re flat, scenic, and popular with pedestrians, runners, recreational and commuting cyclists, and drivers. The city proposes changes to make them safer for “all ages and abilities,” at some cost for drivers. Neighbours are split on what, if anything, to do. Framing the discussion are proponent residents Peter Ladner and Pamela McColl, and an opposing residents George Seslija and Duane Nickull. Then it’s your turn to ask, observe, opine.

These slides are from the presentation by George Seslija and Duane Nickull.

The video of this event is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgmgjhNHgb8

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  • Thank you for coming out! We are not anti-cycling! We are pro cycling and want safe, well thought out bike policy. We both speak only for ourselves, not any group.
  • Lets work together!
  • Common goals
  • 1600 signatures on a petition is a far cry from the 44,000 residents of the Vancouver Pt. Grey riding, all of who may be deemed stakeholders. You will hear that the petition has been signed and you may hear it represents consensus. Nothing could be further from the truth. A petition is not a vote. The petition has very few signatures when you consider the size of the stakeholders.
  • Ask for feedback if there is something else requested by attendees.
  • Note different time periods
  • Thank all attendees for coming!
  • The Point Grey - Cornwall controversy: Who is this road for?

    1. 1. The Point Grey - Cornwall Corridor A Dialogue Resulting in a Safe Solution Duane Nickull - West 6th Avenue •Enterprise Software Architect •Cycling commuter George Seslija - Pt. Grey Road & Trafalgar •Real estate investor •Recreational Cyclist
    2. 2. Considerations: • A lot of people & ton of work into proposals. o Please be respectful. o No personal attacks please. • Certain outcomes beyond ability to predict. o Keep an open mind. • Everyone is acting in good faith. o You may not agree, but please respect their beliefs.
    3. 3. Common Goals Greenest City in the world (2020) Safe places to cycle City land use part of regional, holistic approach (2040 Plan): Modes: Pedestrian, Bike, Motorized (elec.) Vehicles, etc. All Stakeholders: Transit, commuters (cycling, motorized), businesses, land owners, recreational users, environmentalists. We are cyclists too!
    4. 4. We are for cycling safety! Work and process to date is good yet brings up question.  Some assumptions and details need attention/clarification.  Some data does not align with facts uncovered. We would like to slow down a bit to listen to concerns.  Many only aware since May.  Build Consensus: Ensure majority has chance to be heard.  Safety: One area in particular could result in collisions Most Importantly: Work together to build safe consensus!
    5. 5. Today’s Goals: • Listen to any outstanding concerns about the plan; • Work offline to address them prior to the vote next week; • Help craft solutions.
    6. 6. Out of Scope for today’s Conversation • Reckless cyclists/motorists (existing laws cover) • Finger pointing or blame. • Not trying to fix the process of City Hall. FUD: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt
    7. 7. Some of the claims we have heard? • “ICBC records show 143 crashes on this stretch of road between 2005-2009, with two thirds resulting in an injury or fatality”. • ICBC Reports 43 crashes between 2008- 2012: Source: http://www.icbc.com/crashmap-cyclists No Crashes
    8. 8. Public Consultation? • “Contrary to recent claims that the city is not listening to citizens, the city notes that it has held 50 meetings with stakeholders and interested groups in the last six weeks. More recently three open houses attracted thousands of people…” Source: City of Vancouver - http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/Point-Grey-Cornwall-Phase1-Consultation-Summary-April-2013.pdf Timeframe Discrepancy
    9. 9. a. Discrepancies in data: Can we maybe sit down to reconcile? b. Insufficient data available for data modeling of traffic flow (can be mitigated by temporary closure to test assumptions). c. One block has high potential for cyclist death/injury. d. Backed up traffic COULD cause more Green House Gasses to be emitted (will be easy to conduct tests to measure/audit before and after). Some Concerns & Solutions
    10. 10. Existing Hornby St. Separated Bike Lane 22 Seven “Right in / Right out” crossings in 10 blocks Seven “Right in / Right out” crossings in 10 blocks
    11. 11. TWO WAY BIKE LANE
    12. 12. Proposed Bike Lane 66 Ten “All directional” crossings in 2 blocks Ten “All directional” crossings in 2 blocks 44
    13. 13. Considerations? • Do the proposals: o Minimize conflict between all road users? o Provide a safer environment? • What do you think? o Should we slow down? o Proceed as per COV recommendations? o Should we try temporary closures to test? o Should it be built as planned (2a or 2b) or another plan? o Should other stakeholders (ie – regional transit planners) be included in the conversation?

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