Planner Survey Results 2008

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Results from the 4th annual planner survey. Includes advice for younger planners, negotiating info, what blogs we read, and planning styles.

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Planner Survey Results 2008

  1. 1. Account Planning Survey Results June 2008
  2. 2. The 411 • Fourth year to conduct the planning survey. • Called upon planners to participate and pass on a survey. • Bloggers again helped spread the word. • Topics included the now usual suspects like salary, experience, and satisfaction, along with this year’s special questions around negotiation from both boss and employee points of view, blogs we read, and planning style. • 798 completed surveys (compared to 466 last year) from March 14 - April 8. – 56% Men/44% Women – 461 from USA/337 from outside USA
  3. 3. Some overview info (in percentages) Company Types Participants by Title Size of Department Agency Type Avg. Size of Dept at office location at office location Large: 29% have 20 or more Medium: 10.9 planners Small: 5.5 planners (21% are one- person departments)
  4. 4. Some overview info cont. (in percentages) What would you say is your How is planning perceived company’s reputation in the industry? at your company?
  5. 5. Officers and management (in percentages) Are you an officer at your company (i.e. VP, SVP, EVP) ? Heads of Planning Group Planning Directors Sr. Planners Planners Asst. Planners Is the Head of Planning at your company part of the executive committee (i.e. top management)?
  6. 6. Recruiters Did you use one? The last time I asked this question in 2006, 41% said yes. Also, there’s no significant difference between the US and outside the US on this. Hall & Partners was able to show a correlation between higher salaries and using a recruiter. Senior Planner and up are the ones being placed by recruiters, which makes sense.
  7. 7. What’s your planning style? (in percentages) We all need to be able to do a little bit of everything, but what’s your dominant type? I think these styles are true because few people resisted them. The “others” include hybrids of a couple or are perfectly balanced all of the above. A couple of digital and creative styles, but not sure what you meant. Leave a comment on the blog and enlighten us.
  8. 8. How does your department operate? Describe how collaborative your planning department is within the department. Are you working as a lone wolf on your accounts? Do you have two or three or more planners per account to work with? Is it set up in a way that you can learn from other planners on other accounts? This one was hard to code. Some people talked about how collaborative the two or three planners on an account are or aren’t. Others talked about how they must deliberately seek cross-pollination among accounts. Then there is the collaboration that is present or missing among creatives, planners and account. Folks generally seem to think two planners on an account is “well staffed.” Smaller places have more lone wolves or see themselves as consultants. Freelancers feel like lone wolves too. Sitting with your department seems to foster collaboration across accounts and many planners have four or more accounts they are working on.
  9. 9. Top 15 blogs we read Number of mentions
  10. 10. The perfect company? If you could work anywhere, in any position that would utilize your plannerly skills in some way, where would you choose to work? (number of mentions) Lots of mentions of wanting to work on political campaigns, the UN and think tanks. A few mentions of starting own business or getting out of advertising at Google, Apple, or Nike.
  11. 11. Planners on the move (in percentages) Number of years at current co. How likely are you to change USA jobs this year? All planners 39% Number of years at current co. Outside USA Stability increases as your job ascends. Only 39% of GPDs have been with their company one year or less. 34% of Heads of Planning have logged a year or less. “Very likely” to change is up 6% this year.
  12. 12. Our collective experience negotiating (in percentages) Thinking about your current job, when you received your offer which of the following describes the process you went through? Interestingly, there are no significant differences among men and women or among levels. Other includes certain titles or promises of a review a9er 3 or 6 months.
  13. 13. Negotiating from the bosses’ POV 291 people surveyed have responsibility for hiring and negotiating. Here, they share some of the hiring practices at their company: Strongly Disagree Strongly Agree
  14. 14. Negotiating advice from bosses Consider the total package. Think about where the job is going. The vacation time. The other benefits. Get everything in writing. Don’t come off as entitled and push too hard for big salaries when you are junior. For your first job, take what you can get. Sadly, you have to jump around to make more money. Women need to be stronger, firmer and ask for what they want even if it’s uncomfortable. Articulate your value. Never tell your current salary. You deserve what your skills and talent pull in that market, not what looks better next to your old salary. Negotiate hard. The salary disparity among my team is because some played hardball to get hired and some did not. Don’t keep going back and forth. I did my best for the counter offer. Highlight how you contribute to generating revenue. You will set yourself apart. Never put out the first number.
  15. 15. Advice for new planners trying to land a job? NETWORK FOCUS ON THE RIGHT PLACE Talk to people who used to work where you want to Focus on places that actually care about planning work to hear the truth. and realize the value/need. Informational interviews are the way to go. Junior Do not enter as an account person and try to move positions are rare. to planning. Start in creative and move to planning. GET EXPERIENCE PERSEVERE Don’t work in advertising. Stick with it. If you really want it, someone will cut Get an internship. you a break. Be hungry. HAVE A POV Don’t be scared to speak up. BUT DON’T BE ANNOYING Develop your own perspective. Believing that you Forget the old advice about persistence. If I have met are valuable will do wonders for convincing potential you and want to make you an offer, I'll stay in touch. employers that you are. Emailing and calling twice a month is nothing but irritating. Blog. HAVE A CLUE BE INTERESTING For pete's sake, know the agency you are talking to Read interesting stuff. and be passionate about them. Be interesting enough that I’d want to have dinner Show willingness and readiness to work hard on with you. boring crap. Tell me you're not afraid to look at data Dynamic and interesting is always better than safe. tables for 11 hours a day if you have to. I also like to see some background in the social Learn about the business world first - you're in no sciences (psychology, sociology, anthropology) or position to offer advice to large corporations because more creative venues (dance, theater, music). you think you know about consumer trends. Studying abroad also shows that you're well-rounded Knowing whether cupcakes are coming back or not and have had the opportunity to see things from a will not help GM sell more units. Sorry. different point of view.
  16. 16. Salary results Key to reading salary info • Salaries are shown as bell curves (ok, bell triangles) - averages in addition to the 75th and 25th percentile. • For example, when you see a number listed under 75%, this is the average of the upper 25% of the set, the number under 50% is the mean for the whole set, and the number under 25% is the average for the bottom 25% of the set. • Past years’ averages are in the upper right corner. • I continue to divide among small, medium and large shops in the USA. • Absolute minimum and maximum salaries are shown next to the “total” curves.
  17. 17. 2005 Avg. 2006 Avg. 2007 Avg. $39,580 $39,067 $38,219 Asst. Planner results - USA Years in planning 1.3 1.2 1.5 Years working 3.5 3.4 2.7 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Large Medium Agency Agency (n=17) (n=24) $36,000 $46,294 $57,250 $33,833 $43,041 $54,000 Years in planning 1.3 1.3 1.3 Years in planning 1.3 1.7 1.8 Years working 2.5 3.9 4.5 Years working 2.2 3.1 3.2 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Small TOTAL Agency (n=56) (n=15) Min= $30K Max = $70K $30,000 $39,333 $53,125 $32,036 $43,036 $55,214 Years in planning 1.3 1.6 2.3 Years in planning 1.3 1.6 1.9 Years working 1.3 2.6 4.3 Years working 1.9 3.3 4.9
  18. 18. 2005 Avg. 2006 Avg. 2007 Avg. $59,145 $60,198 $60,311 Planner results - USA Years in planning 3.2 2.9 2.6 Years working 5.8 5.5 4.9 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Large Medium Agency Agency (n=32) (n=40) $44,875 $60,719 $78,125 $41,220 $57,661 $74,825 Years in planning 1.3 2.6 3.8 Years in planning 2.3 2.5 2.7 Years working 4.9 5.9 9.9 Years working 3.6 5.3 5.4 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Small TOTAL Agency (n=130) (n=58) Min= $30K Max = $140K $39,967 $58,121 $84,800 $41,142 $58,476 $80,644 Years in planning 2.1 2.7 3.4 Years in planning 2.1 2.6 3.3 Years working 4.5 5.0 6.3 Years working 3.7 5.3 7.1
  19. 19. 2005 Avg. 2006 Avg. 2007 Avg. $83,926 $94,347 $104,084 Senior Planner results - USA Years in planning 5.3 5.9 6.0 Years working 9.5 9.9 9.7 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Large Medium Agency Agency (n=37) (n=35) $78,111 $104,146 $134,667 $64,667 $94,028 $127,555 Years in planning 4.4 5.3 7.3 Years in planning 3.9 4.7 7.3 Years working 7.8 10.3 12.4 Years working 6.6 8.9 11.4 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Small TOTAL Agency (n=117) (n=45) Min= $40K Max = $185K $64,655 $85,891 $133,636 $67,679 $96,590 $133,514 Years in planning 4.9 5.0 6.2 Years in planning 4.2 5.1 6.6 Years working 7.7 9.3 11.1 Years working 7.4 9.5 12.3
  20. 20. 2005 Avg. 2006 Avg. 2007 Avg. $122,325 $157,310 $163,382 Group Planning Director results - USA Years in planning 8.6 9.9 9.7 Years working 12.0 13.7 14.2 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Large Medium Agency Agency (n=34) (n=20) $116,875 $192,746 $282,125 $90,400 $146,855 $215,000 Years in planning 7.1 9.3 11.0 Years in planning 6.0 10.4 13.0 Years working 11.6 15.9 18.9 Years working 10.2 15.1 16.4 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Small TOTAL Agency (n=78) (n=24) Min= $68K Max = $310K $105,833 $158,292 $222,500 $147,342 $168,879 $172,842 Years in planning 7.2 8.4 8.7 Years in planning 8.5 9.2 8.8 Years working 14.2 13.7 14.8 Years working 13.8 14.7 13.5
  21. 21. 2005 Avg. 2006 Avg. 2007 Avg. $159,091 $172,188 $167,421 Head of Planning results - USA Years in planning 9.6 11.1 9.3 Years working 14.0 15.3 15.8 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Large Medium Agency Agency (n=14) (n=20) $124,875 $178,893 $245,000 $128,200 $194,865 $253,000 Years in planning 8.8 9.9 13.0 Years in planning 5.8 12.7 23.6 Years working 12.0 14.9 18.0 Years working 12.6 15.6 15.6 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Small TOTAL Agency (n=62) (n=28) Min= $60K Max = $300K $92,407 $173,459 $266,428 $109,209 $181,159 $257,500 Years in planning 6.3 10.3 12.6 Years in planning 6.9 10.3 13.9 Years working 11.3 15.3 19.9 Years working 12.1 15.9 20.6
  22. 22. Grad school - do it for yourself or to break into planning Asst. Planners with Asst. Planners with Bootcamp Asst. Planners with BAs Masters (n=25) (n=5) Only (n=26) Average Salary $43,860 $53,300 $37,222 Average years in planning 1.7 1.2 1.4 Average years working 3.1 3.2 3.3 Planners with Planners with Bootcamp Planners with BAs Only Masters/MBA (n=51) (n=19) (n=60) Average Salary $53,479 $64,368 $61,605 Average years in planning 2.5 2.8 2.5 Average years working 4.7 6.4 5.0 Sr. Planners with Sr. Planners with Bootcamp Sr. Planners with BAs Masters/MBA (n=51) (n=15) Only (n=51) Average Salary $96,603 $91,700 $104,766 Average years in planning 4.9 4.7 5.8 Average years working 9.5 9.5 9.2
  23. 23. Grad school cont. Group Planning Directors Group Planning Directors with with Masters (n=35) BAs Only (n=43) Average Salary $174,586 $168,223 Average years in planning 10.1 8.4 Average years working 15.9 13.7 Head of Planning with Head of Planning with BAs Masters/MBA/PhD Only (n=35) (n=27) Average Salary $189,332 $177,431 Average years in planning 10.3 10.6 Average years working 15.2 17.3
  24. 24. Planner U What schools or training programs do you think produce good planners? (number of mentions) Over 50 mentions each for “planners are born not made” and “life experience” which is likely why having a grad degree doesn’t mean you’ll make more money. Many also recommended a degree in liberal arts or social sciences without naming a place. And there were one and two mentions for many, many schools.
  25. 25. The New York factor This comparison is difficult because “not NY” includes San Francisco, Boston, and other expensive markets. There aren’t enough responses from any other markets at any level to compare. But I continue to believe you don’t get a true cost-of-living salary bump from agencies in big markets. Then again, most of our jobs are in big(ger) cities. Asst. Planners Planners Sr. Planners NY Not NY Not NY Not (n=8) (n= 48) (n=39) (n=91) (n=29) (n=88) Average Salary $48,375 $42,146 $62,293 $56,955 $107,276 $93,069 Average years in planning 1.6 1.5 2.3 2.7 4.8 5.1 Average years working 4.5 3.0 5.2 5.4 8.8 9.7 Group Planning Directors Head of Planning NY Not NY Not (n=27) (n=51) (n=19) (n=42) Average Salary $178,000 $164,051 $201,584 $170,873 Average years in planning 8.5 9.6 10.2 10.1 Average years working 14.0 15.2 14.1 16.7
  26. 26. The Male/Female comparison Cell sizes are getting bigger and the trend continues: mid- to senior-level women are being paid a lot less. Asst. Planners Planners Sr. Planners M F F M F M (n=57) (n=20) (n=36) (n=73) (n=62) (n=55) Average Salary $43,825 $42,597 $60,645 $57,263 $100,241 $92,475 Average years in planning 1.6 1.5 2.6 2.6 5.3 4.7 Average years working 3.3 3.2 5.7 5.0 9.8 9.1 Group Planning Directors Head of Planning M F M F (n=37) (n=41) (n=31) (n=31) Average Salary $183,961 $154,552 $195,188 $167,994 Average years in planning 8.6 9.9 9.9 10.7 Average years working 14 15.5 15.2 16.8
  27. 27. General salary thoughts - USA • Asst. Planners’ average salary is now over $40K a9er the direct request last year. Seems fair to me. • Sr. Planners and GPDs at medium- and small-sized firms turned out to have the biggest disparities (lower salaries) this year compared to their cousins at the large shops. • Why are the more senior ladies pulling in less?
  28. 28. A word on the world • We had 337 completed surveys from the rest of the world • There were 73 from the UK, but not enough from any other country to do a separate analysis Argentina 5 Germany 10 Netherlands 8 Singapore 5 Australia 10 Guatemala 1 New Zealand 1 Sweden 5 Belgium 8 Hungary 1 Norway 2 Turkey 2 Brazil 38 India 15 Pakistan 1 Thailand 1 Bulgaria 1 Indonesia 2 Portugal 3 UAE 3 Canada 20 Italy 12 Romania 14 UK 73 China 5 Japan 7 Russia 10 Venezuela 1 Croatia 1 Latvia 1 Saudi Arabia 1 Asia (did not write country) 1 Denmark 4 Malaysia 7 South Africa 4 EU (did not write country) 1 France 8 Mexico 6 Spain 22 Did not specify 17
  29. 29. Did everyone use the currency converter??? UK averages In US $$$ 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Asst. Planner Planner (n=24) (n=5) $40,400 $49,833 $67,014 $82,336 Years in planning 1.0 Years in planning 2.0 2.6 2.3 Years working 2.0 Years working 4.3 4.7 5.2 25% 50% 75% 25% 50% 75% Senior Group Planner Planning (n=14) Director (n=3) $80,663 $114,487 $148,500 $173,196 Years in planning 5.5 5.6 6.8 Years in planning 6.7 Years working 11.0 11.0 13.5 Years working 18.3
  30. 30. UK averages cont. In US $$$ 25% 50% 75% Head of Planning (n=21) $131,316 $208,704 $285,063 Years in planning 8.8 9.8 11.0 Years working 12.8 13.7 16.5
  31. 31. Additional Compensation - USA (in percentages) Please select each of the additional elements of compensation that you receive “Other” included free food/alcohol, working part-time, flexible hours, technology reimbursement, relocation, stock options, on-site massages, public transportation coverage, mileage, and overtime.
  32. 32. Additional Compensation - Outside USA (in percentages) Please select each of the additional elements of compensation that you receive “Other” includes pensions, working from home, dividends, massages, study leave, and expatriate housing.
  33. 33. How do we feel about our jobs? (in percentages) How much do you like your current job? Up from 7% last year. Is the job less fun? Seems to be in line with more people looking to change jobs.
  34. 34. Satisfaction with compensation by title - all Very few people feel totally screwed, and unfairness decreases as we ascend it seems Completely Somewhat Fair Somewhat Really Unfair Unfair Better Than Awesome Fair Assistant/Junior 6% 39% 42% 10% 3% Planner 9% 36% 40% 14% 2% Senior 5% 24% 47% 19% 5% Group Director 5% 20% 49% 20% 6% Head 3% 20% 43% 24% 9% n=798 Not all add up to 100 due to rounding
  35. 35. How we deal - all Which best describes how you feel about your job most of the time? (percentages) Almost all of the “other” mentions were from our friends outside the US, saying they feel bored, looking for more challenge, under utilized, that it depends on the project, get energy from stress, or stressful times don’t last forever.
  36. 36. Personal info Gender Split US (percentages) Gender Split Outside US (percentages)
  37. 37. Personal info - all Which best describes your ethnicity? (percentages)
  38. 38. Personal info - all How many children do you have? (percentages) Female planners are less likely to have kids. In the US, 21% do. Outside the US, 12% do.
  39. 39. Personal info cont. Of the 24% of planners with kids: Who takes care of them while you are at work? (percentages)
  40. 40. Accents are just interesting US Accents (percentages) Outside US Accents (percentages) Accents currently do not correlate with a higher salary. It’s a small group, but maybe we can see past the sexy accents and pay people based on their brains. Novel thought.
  41. 41. Closing thoughts • There was a huge increase of participation again this year. Thank you, as always, for contributing. This is a ton of work, and I am very grateful to Hall & Partners for the extra analysis they did as well as a couple of elves who helped behind the scenes. The correlations only showed using a recruiter as a contributing factor to a higher salary among all of the variables. • I love hearing your reactions, so please make comments, ask questions, and suggest new questions for next year on my blog: http://illchangeyourlife.wordpress.com or email me at: hklefevre@gmail.com

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