Thinking about college out of state (from new work labtop)
Thinking About College OutThinking About College Out
of Stateof State
Dr. Rebecca JosephDr. Rebecca Joseph
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Advantages of Going Away toAdvantages of Going Away to
College or Living in DormsCollege or Living in Dorms
Please write down threePlease write down three
reasons why going away toreasons why going away to
college or living in a dorm couldcollege or living in a dorm could
benefit you?benefit you?
Please write down three fearsPlease write down three fears
you or your parents may haveyou or your parents may have
about your going away?about your going away?
The HandoutsThe Handouts
I have two handouts.I have two handouts.
A summary of this powerpointA summary of this powerpoint
An article I wrote about why youAn article I wrote about why you
should go way to collegeshould go way to college
Please share them with anyonePlease share them with anyone
who you think may want towho you think may want to
consider going away to college.consider going away to college.
There are schools for you…There are schools for you…
There are several thousand collegesThere are several thousand colleges
in the country.in the country.
The larger majority of them want toThe larger majority of them want to
diversify their campuses and arediversify their campuses and are
desperate for our students.desperate for our students.
They come in all shapes and sizes.They come in all shapes and sizes.
Out of state colleges often youOut of state colleges often you
exposure to new communities andexposure to new communities and
students from all over the world.students from all over the world.
My Brain is on Fire.My Brain is on Fire.
Florisel-Esteban Torres,Florisel-Esteban Torres,
Class of 2012, Brown ClassClass of 2012, Brown Class
of 2016of 2016
Upward Bound. Very activeUpward Bound. Very active
in and out of schoolin and out of school
All but $4000 last yearAll but $4000 last year
covered. 100% covered thiscovered. 100% covered this
High School, Class of
Upward Bound. Very
active in politicals and
UC Berkeley, Class of
Blue and Gold Plan
Martin and JohanaMartin and Johana
La Puente High School, Gear Up, Class ofLa Puente High School, Gear Up, Class of
Villanova University, Class of 2013Villanova University, Class of 2013
First in family to go to collegeFirst in family to go to college
Presidential Scholarship, 100% coveredPresidential Scholarship, 100% covered
including summer programsincluding summer programs
Rome, Summer 2010; London School ofRome, Summer 2010; London School of
Economics, Fall 2012Economics, Fall 2012
Job at Goldman Sachs next fall.Job at Goldman Sachs next fall.
Fremont High School, Class of 2010,
University of Pennsylvania, Class
First in family to go to college
Summer bridge program at USC
What do competitive collegesWhat do competitive colleges
look for…look for…
Academic RigorAcademic Rigor
Standardized Test ScoresStandardized Test Scores
Application EssaysApplication Essays
Counselor ReportCounselor Report
Extracurricular ActivitiesExtracurricular Activities
Teacher Letters of RecommendationTeacher Letters of Recommendation
More About Private CollegesMore About Private Colleges
Some private colleges areSome private colleges are religiousreligious and areand are
looking for students who match their religiouslooking for students who match their religious
beliefs. Some arebeliefs. Some are JesuitJesuit and accept all students.and accept all students.
Jesuit colleges are very open toJesuit colleges are very open to undocumentedundocumented
Other private colleges areOther private colleges are liberal artsliberal arts. They often a. They often a
great education within non-technical fields. Theygreat education within non-technical fields. They
offer great access to professors, amazing activities,offer great access to professors, amazing activities,
and resources.and resources.
Still others areStill others are technical or arts-relatedtechnical or arts-related. There are. There are
schools like Boston Conservatory or The Marylandschools like Boston Conservatory or The Maryland
Institute of the Arts that only have programs forInstitute of the Arts that only have programs for
music or acting or artmusic or acting or art. Others are. Others are technicaltechnical likelike
MIT and only have programs related to math andMIT and only have programs related to math and
science and engineering and technology.science and engineering and technology.
Reasons to Go Out of StateReasons to Go Out of State
Reasons to consider going out of state:Reasons to consider going out of state:
These schools offer amazing academic,These schools offer amazing academic,
extracurricular, and social opportunities.extracurricular, and social opportunities.
They offer internships and access toThey offer internships and access to
tremendous support programs.tremendous support programs.
They have world class professors who want toThey have world class professors who want to
work with our students.work with our students.
These schools offer access to fantasticThese schools offer access to fantastic
programming, individualized attention, andprogramming, individualized attention, and
incredible students from around the world.incredible students from around the world.
Many colleges will cover all costs forMany colleges will cover all costs for
undocumented and under-represented students.undocumented and under-represented students.
Public Out of State CollegesPublic Out of State Colleges
There are state funded colleges and are traditionallyThere are state funded colleges and are traditionally
much cheaper than private colleges.much cheaper than private colleges.
Each state has its own system of public universities.Each state has its own system of public universities.
Flagship campuses are their top campus—Flagship campuses are their top campus—
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor, University ofUniversity of Michigan-Ann Arbor, University of
Texas-Austin, University of North Carolina-ChapelTexas-Austin, University of North Carolina-Chapel
They also have all kinds of other great publicThey also have all kinds of other great public
universities. In this economy they are looking for outuniversities. In this economy they are looking for out
of state tuition and diverse students.of state tuition and diverse students.
There are also exchanges. The WesternThere are also exchanges. The Western
Undergraduate Exchange that gives financialUndergraduate Exchange that gives financial
discounts at many out of state colleges fordiscounts at many out of state colleges for
California students.California students. http://wiche.edu/wuehttp://wiche.edu/wue..
•Private CollegesPrivate Colleges
TThey come in all shapes and sizes. Somehey come in all shapes and sizes. Some
are very selective.are very selective.
The Ivy League is the top tier with many ofThe Ivy League is the top tier with many of
their colleges only accepting 6 to 10% oftheir colleges only accepting 6 to 10% of
students who apply.students who apply.
There are middle level and small collegesThere are middle level and small colleges
all over. The large majority are desperatelyall over. The large majority are desperately
seeking diverse students, and they canseeking diverse students, and they can’t’t
find them.find them.
Their costs range from $10,000 to $57,000Their costs range from $10,000 to $57,000
per year include tuition, room, board, andper year include tuition, room, board, and
other costs.other costs.
How Do I Find TheseHow Do I Find These
How do I find these schools?How do I find these schools?
First, you need to know your match colleges. TheseFirst, you need to know your match colleges. These
are based on your academic profile—including gradesare based on your academic profile—including grades
and test scores.and test scores.
They also depend on your level of involvement inThey also depend on your level of involvement in
activities and work. Your artistic and athletic talentsactivities and work. Your artistic and athletic talents
can make a difference.can make a difference.
Your passions also matter—as there are schools forYour passions also matter—as there are schools for
African American Students, all women, technology,African American Students, all women, technology,
and more.and more.
Places to Helps You FindPlaces to Helps You Find
These CollegesThese Colleges
You need to find a way to research these colleges.You need to find a way to research these colleges.
You can visit many of them via summer programsYou can visit many of them via summer programs
and fly-in programs. I maintain an update to dateand fly-in programs. I maintain an update to date
list. http://getmetocollege.org/hs/summer-list. http://getmetocollege.org/hs/summer-
You can go online to Cappex or Unigo andYou can go online to Cappex or Unigo and
research colleges.research colleges.
You can buy the book. College Access &You can buy the book. College Access &
Opportunity Guide or use the free onlineOpportunity Guide or use the free online
resources. http://www.imfirst.org/scholarshipresources. http://www.imfirst.org/scholarship
Go to College Greenlight.Go to College Greenlight.
http://www.collegegreenlight.com/ You canhttp://www.collegegreenlight.com/ You can
organize your entire college application processorganize your entire college application process
through this amazing new resource.through this amazing new resource.
You need to go on FB and other social mediaYou need to go on FB and other social media
websites to ask for recommendations.websites to ask for recommendations.
Scholarships and OtherScholarships and Other
QuestbridgeQuestbridge is for the top minority and under-is for the top minority and under-
represented students.represented students. http://www.questbridge.org/http://www.questbridge.org/
They have a summer program for top juniors. AndThey have a summer program for top juniors. And
then a match-program for seniors. Even though fewthen a match-program for seniors. Even though few
match, the large majority of students who applymatch, the large majority of students who apply
though Questbridge get into amazing colleges.though Questbridge get into amazing colleges.
PossePosse takes groups of amazing students and sendstakes groups of amazing students and sends
them to colleges. They believe there is strength inthem to colleges. They believe there is strength in
numbers. They cover only tuition so students need tonumbers. They cover only tuition so students need to
make sure the rest of their expenses are covered.make sure the rest of their expenses are covered.
Scholarships and loans can do this.Scholarships and loans can do this.
The Jack Kent Cooke FoundationThe Jack Kent Cooke Foundation has a newhas a new
scholarship for top under-representedscholarship for top under-represented
More Scholarships…More Scholarships…
Colleges themselves have diversity and presidentialColleges themselves have diversity and presidential
scholarships. Students can research on collegescholarships. Students can research on college
websites to find these scholarships. USC has thewebsites to find these scholarships. USC has the
Martin Topping Scholarship. Villanova has a diversityMartin Topping Scholarship. Villanova has a diversity
scholarship and a president scholarship. Find thesescholarship and a president scholarship. Find these
scholarships and apply.scholarships and apply.
The Ivy League and many other colleges are need-The Ivy League and many other colleges are need-
nfree/index_01.htmnfree/index_01.htm This means they accept you andThis means they accept you and
then offer you the money to come. I have a student atthen offer you the money to come. I have a student at
the University of Pennsylvania who is not paying onethe University of Pennsylvania who is not paying one
dollar to attend. Now, she had to borrow money to buydollar to attend. Now, she had to borrow money to buy
a computer and to travel back to the west coast ana computer and to travel back to the west coast an
extra time but she got a job and a small loan.extra time but she got a job and a small loan.
Check out resources at anCheck out resources at an
out of state campus.out of state campus.
Make sure the campus has aMake sure the campus has a
support program for firstsupport program for first
generation students.generation students.
Make sure the campus offers freeMake sure the campus offers free
tutoring and support.tutoring and support.
Does the school have a summerDoes the school have a summer
bridge program or some kind ofbridge program or some kind of
orientation program for students?orientation program for students?
Make sure there are freshmanMake sure there are freshman
advisors in and out of the dorms.advisors in and out of the dorms.
What can we say to parents:What can we say to parents:
Will my child be lonely?Will my child be lonely?
All students get homesick freshman year. ButAll students get homesick freshman year. But
they get over it quickly, especially if their familythey get over it quickly, especially if their family
supports them.supports them.
It would be great if you could find a way to dropIt would be great if you could find a way to drop
your child off freshman year and visit duringyour child off freshman year and visit during
parentsparents’ weekend.’ weekend.
Your child will come home easily for ChristmasYour child will come home easily for Christmas
and spring break. Thanksgiving is sometimesand spring break. Thanksgiving is sometimes
hard and they go home with friends andhard and they go home with friends and
You can speak with them on the phone, Skype,You can speak with them on the phone, Skype,
and Facebook.and Facebook.
You can send food and messages.You can send food and messages.
But please donBut please don’t ask them to leave or come’t ask them to leave or come
You need to encourage your child to go for freeYou need to encourage your child to go for free
tutoring, join support groups, and make friends.
Will I miss my child?Will I miss my child?
Of course, you will. ItOf course, you will. It’s expected. My mother’s expected. My mother
missed me. All three of us went out of state.missed me. All three of us went out of state.
You have worked so hard and supported yourYou have worked so hard and supported your
child to let him or her have the best collegechild to let him or her have the best college
education possible.education possible.
College changes your child into an amazingCollege changes your child into an amazing
adult. They are still the same inside. They mayadult. They are still the same inside. They may
become middle class and have big dreams, butbecome middle class and have big dreams, but
a college education will help your child and youra college education will help your child and your
You moved here to make a future for yourYou moved here to make a future for your
family. Let your child move for his or her future.family. Let your child move for his or her future.
More…Will I Miss My Child?More…Will I Miss My Child?
Kids who leave for college, come back educated andKids who leave for college, come back educated and
ready to make a difference.ready to make a difference.
Please donPlease don’t let your fears and worries prevent your’t let your fears and worries prevent your
child from having a great education.child from having a great education.
I know a dad who refused to take his daughter toI know a dad who refused to take his daughter to
college and she was so sad. He forgave her a monthcollege and she was so sad. He forgave her a month
later and went to visit her. That made all thelater and went to visit her. That made all the
I met another dad, who had just dropped his twins offI met another dad, who had just dropped his twins off
at Boston University. He said he relatives didnat Boston University. He said he relatives didn’t’t
understand why he could let his kids go. He said eachunderstand why he could let his kids go. He said each
kid had received a full scholarship $55,000 per year.kid had received a full scholarship $55,000 per year.
He wasn’t going to hold them back. He wanted theHe wasn’t going to hold them back. He wanted the
best for them.best for them.
How do we apply and getHow do we apply and get
Your need to fill out college applications. ThereYour need to fill out college applications. There
are multiple fee waivers to apply for free.are multiple fee waivers to apply for free.
Your need to take standardized tests for manyYour need to take standardized tests for many
colleges. They need to send test scores out.colleges. They need to send test scores out.
Others are test free.Others are test free.
Your need to boast about yourself in all of yourYour need to boast about yourself in all of your
You can visit campuses for free via fly-inYou can visit campuses for free via fly-in
How Do We ApplyHow Do We Apply
and Get Moneyand Get Money
You need to fill out financial aid forms.You need to fill out financial aid forms.
They will ask for personal moneyThey will ask for personal money
information. Please, please share thisinformation. Please, please share this
info. You can get a free education thisinfo. You can get a free education this
way. You need to fill out FAFSA and theway. You need to fill out FAFSA and the
CSS Profile for private colleges out ofCSS Profile for private colleges out of
You need to fill out scholarshipYou need to fill out scholarship
You need to visit colleges when he getsYou need to visit colleges when he gets
accepted. Most will fly him to visit foraccepted. Most will fly him to visit for
Other Core ReadinessOther Core Readiness
Timelines-College ResearchTimelines-College Research
College research takes timeCollege research takes time
Read key books and websitesRead key books and websites
Talk to friends who are seniorsTalk to friends who are seniors
and recent gradsand recent grads
Talk to friends and familyTalk to friends and family
Final WordsFinal Words
You are a work in progressYou are a work in progress
Colleges want to know who you really areColleges want to know who you really are
Yet they donYet they don’t read minds so don’t keep’t read minds so don’t keep
anything core about youanything core about you
But donBut don’t overwhelm them or scare them’t overwhelm them or scare them
They want to know how you will enhanceThey want to know how you will enhance
and enrich their campusand enrich their campus
There is so much you can doThere is so much you can do
It is never too late...to develop a strongIt is never too late...to develop a strong
college readiness plancollege readiness plan
If you want to go away…If you want to go away…
Go to the Colleges That ChangeGo to the Colleges That Change
Lives College Fair at UniversalLives College Fair at Universal
July 31-August 1.July 31-August 1.
Apply to visit a college this fall.Apply to visit a college this fall.
Apply to 4 to 10 private collegesApply to 4 to 10 private colleges
Make a PlanMake a Plan
Write down three new ideas youWrite down three new ideas you
learned from this presentation.learned from this presentation.
Write down three additionalWrite down three additional