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Indian Hills Task Force 2-4-08


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Presentation of the findings of the Indian Hills Task Force regarding the impact of new development on transient traffic.

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Indian Hills Task Force 2-4-08

  1. 1. Potential Impact of Indian Hills VI on Existing Indian Hills Drive Prepared by Indian Hills Task Force February 4, 2008 Indian Hills VI
  2. 2. Indian Hills Currently <ul><li>Quiet </li></ul><ul><li>Lovely Neighborhood in Moscow </li></ul><ul><li>Low traffic </li></ul><ul><li>Lots of young families with children </li></ul><ul><li>Pedestrian friendly streets </li></ul><ul><li>Low low crime </li></ul><ul><li>Minimal transient traffic </li></ul><ul><li>We believe the proposed Indian Hills VI should enjoy same benefits </li></ul>
  3. 3. Goal of Indian Hills Task Force: To Maintain Safe, Healthy, Livable Community, That Adheres To City’s Comprehensive Plan <ul><li>Zoning (Comp. Plan – Sec. 2) </li></ul><ul><li>Transportation (Comp. Plan - Sec. 10) </li></ul><ul><li>Community Design (Comp. Plan – Sec. 12) </li></ul><ul><li>Parks & Recreation (Comp. Plan – Sec.5) </li></ul>
  4. 4. <ul><li>The developer will make money on this commercial endeavor. </li></ul><ul><li>Indian Hills Neighbors wish to ensure that our neighborhood’s safety is maintained and property values don’t decrease because of the new development. </li></ul>
  5. 5. Thank You For The Improved Park Proposal!
  6. 6. However………. <ul><li>The developer is not proposing to extend Blaine Street to East Palouse River Drive </li></ul><ul><li>The Park, as proposed, may not happen in our lifetime due to City Budgets </li></ul><ul><li>The Park area in Phase III will not be developed for at least 7 years </li></ul><ul><li>  </li></ul>
  7. 7. Issue #1 <ul><li>Safety Issues From </li></ul><ul><li>Housing Density </li></ul>
  8. 8. High Density Zoning <ul><li>The density with the current plat is: </li></ul><ul><li>R-2 homes= 36 x 4 people per household=144 </li></ul><ul><li>R-3 homes and duplexes=20 x 4 people per household = 80 </li></ul><ul><li>R-4 apartments= 87 x 4 people per household= 348 </li></ul><ul><li>The total number of structures is 145 with at least 580 people living there. </li></ul><ul><li>The City of Moscow actually uses 6 as the number of unrelated people per living unit. In this example we used only 4 per living unit. </li></ul>
  9. 9. Dense Zoning = Dense Traffic <ul><li>Indian Hills Drive was never intended to act as an arterial thoroughfare. With so much traffic, it will become one by usage. </li></ul><ul><li>Indian Hills Drive is unsafe generally, and specifically at speeds greater than 20 mph, and during inclement weather – even a minor rain storm. </li></ul>
  10. 10. Why Is Moderate or High Density Traffic Bad For Indian Hills? <ul><li>Safety </li></ul><ul><li>It’s common sense. </li></ul>
  11. 11. Dense Traffic = Unsafe Street <ul><li>The ‘S’ curves, below road grade housing (living spaces below road grade by 15 feet), and frequent icing in winter </li></ul><ul><li>Blind, steep driveways throughout the ‘S’ curve change driving patterns. </li></ul><ul><li>Indian Hills Drive is a long straight road with dangerous ‘S’ curves at its western boundary. </li></ul>
  12. 12. R-4 Zoning Is near the bottom of the ‘S’ Curves on Indian Hills Drive – the dense traffic does not go through the ‘S’ curves.
  13. 13. Indian Hills Drive ‘S’ Curves
  14. 14. Blind! Indian Hills Drive ‘S’ Curves Blind!
  15. 15. Indian Hills Drive ‘S’ Curves Blind!
  16. 16. Blind! Below road grade houses.
  17. 17. Blind Driveway in ‘S’ Curves Can’t See! Can’t See! These are the roofs of two houses well below the road.
  18. 18. Indian Hills Drive ‘S’ Curves Drivers routinely stray over the center line to avoid people exiting either driveways or parked cars.
  19. 19. Blind Driveway in ‘S’ Curves Can’t See!
  20. 20. Indian Hills Drive ‘S’ Curves This curve is blind, and if traveling more than 10 miles and hour, a 4 wheel drive SUV will slide during the curve.
  21. 21. Car Avoiding Blind Driveway in ‘S’ Curve Notice Car Headed Over Center Line
  22. 22. Top of Indian Hills Drive Headed down to eastern barrier. Vehicles speed down this stretch.
  23. 23. Top of Indian Hills Drive Headed down to eastern barrier. Vehicles speed down this stretch. A car lost control just past this point, and slid into my yard in mid-January.
  24. 24. Downhill on Indian Hills Drive – to eastern barrier Pine Cone Road Blaine Street Child’s bicycle   26 or 27 children live on IHD, not counting the 7 on Arrow and the 5 on Nylarol, and at least 4 on Flint and Lorien Lane. Also, there is a day care that keeps lots of kids during the day.
  25. 25. More Proof of Danger… Very Recent Police Reports <ul><li>Date: 01/24/08 </li></ul><ul><li>  </li></ul><ul><li>08-M00756 Non-Injury Traffic </li></ul><ul><li>Accident Incident Address : 711 Indian Hills Dr </li></ul><ul><li>MOSCOW ID 83843 Time Reported: 15:42 Cad Comments: A (school) bus was involved in an accident with another vehicle. Both vehicles are still there. Pickup came around corner and struck the bus. Partial road blockage. </li></ul>
  26. 26. More Proof of Danger… Very Recent Police Reports <ul><li>1-15-08 </li></ul><ul><li>08-M00446 Non-Injury Traffic Accident Incident Address : 100 Styner Ave MOSCOW ID 83843 Time Reported: 08:10 Cad Comments: RP reporting a two vehicle non-injury accident. Officer responded and contacted RP, report taken state. </li></ul><ul><li>  </li></ul><ul><li>08-M00448 Non-Injury Traffic Accident Incident Address : 100 Styner Ave MOSCOW ID 83843 Time Reported: 09:18 Cad Comments: Two vehicle non injury. Officers responded, report taken. </li></ul>
  27. 27. More Proof of Danger… Very Recent Wreck on the ‘S’ Curve on Indian Hills Drive (not yet up on police website)
  28. 28. Picture of Below Road Grade housing here Friday, Feb. 1 Approximately 3:30pm Head-on Collision- driver’s side front impacts on both vehicles Head-On Collision on the ‘S’ Curve!
  29. 29. City Engineer Stated <ul><li>“ If in the future the traffic on Indian Hills Drive becomes a problem, we will look at ways to slow it.” </li></ul>
  30. 30. The wrecks and neighbor testimony show that the traffic on Indian Hills Drive is already a problem . HOW MANY ACCIDENTS ON INDIAN HILLS DOES IT TAKE TO BE CONSIDERED A PROBLEM?
  31. 31. City Engineer Stated <ul><li>“ Indian Hills can support as much traffic as 1 st Street.” </li></ul><ul><li>(He compared Indian Hills to 1 st Street and found them similar.) </li></ul>
  32. 32. Indian Hills Drive Cannot Be Compared to First Street <ul><li>First Street - </li></ul><ul><li>Has several stop signs, one just added near Eastside park; </li></ul><ul><li>Sidewalks on both sides of the street; </li></ul><ul><li>Cross streets with pedestrian traffic every block to keep people cautious; </li></ul><ul><li>and a crowded residential feel that Indian Hills Drive lacks. </li></ul>
  33. 33. Dense Traffic = Against Common Sense <ul><li>It is redundant to offer another East/West thoroughfare when we have Palouse River Drive that is clearly the better choice when connected to Blaine Street and State Hwy 8 </li></ul><ul><li>The city’s comprehensive plan states “Although flow within residential neighborhoods should be facilitated in a safe and efficient manner, traffic that has neither its origin nor its destination within a neighborhood should be routed around that neighborhood.” (Sec.10 pg 7) </li></ul>
  34. 34. Dense Traffic = Against Common Sense <ul><li>People will cut through our neighborhood. It is not acceptable for Indian Hills Drive to be forced to accept transient traffic and traffic that should be routed out of Indian Hills VI neighborhood through Blaine Street or Alturas Drive. </li></ul>
  35. 35. Traffic should be routed to this exit/entrance- Blaine Street Traffic should be routed to this exit/entrance- Alturas Drive * Perhaps Alturas entrance should be main entrance.
  36. 36. Issue #1 Conclusion <ul><li>Because of traffic and safety issues from housing density………… </li></ul><ul><li>We are asking the City Council to consider recommending options to reduce transient traffic on Indian Hills Drive. </li></ul><ul><li>Adding one more car is too many! </li></ul>
  37. 37. <ul><li>No recent traffic engineering studies have been done on Indian Hills Drive. The study that is often referred to, was done in 2003- before much of the newer development in the neighborhood. </li></ul><ul><li>Until a traffic study has been conducted, the opinion of the people who live on Indian Hills Drive should be considered expert opinion . </li></ul>Traffic Study?
  38. 38. Issue #2 <ul><li>When is Blaine Street Going To Connect With East Palouse River Drive? </li></ul>
  39. 39. <ul><li>The city’s comprehensive plan (Sec. 10 pg. 7) states “To the South, Blaine Street now crosses the Troy Road as far as Tidyman’s, and should be connected with Palouse River Drive. Blaine Street should be developed as a neighborhood collector street and not as an arterial.” </li></ul><ul><li>In addition, the city’s comprehensive plan (Sec. 10 pg. 5) “Along the entire southern fringe of Moscow’s developed area, Palouse River Drive offers an obvious future arterial route .” </li></ul><ul><li>  </li></ul>
  40. 40. <ul><li>The city’s comprehensive plan states “ Noise and Danger of the traffic through low-density areas (we are zoned R1) with houses closely oriented to the street interrupts association within the neighborhood, lowers property values , and interferes with residential activities.” </li></ul>Transient Traffic = Unsafe Street
  41. 41. Keep Temporary Barrier For Safety <ul><li>If the IH barrier is removed before Blaine Street connects to Palouse River Drive: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Traffic from the high density neighborhood and transient traffic will be forced through our neighborhood on the unsafe road </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Indian Hills is not constructed to handle high density traffic safely –as shown in previous slides about the S curves </li></ul></ul>
  42. 42. Barrier – A temporary barrier must be maintained at the end of Indian Hills Drive until the collector street (Blaine) connects to Palouse River Drive
  43. 43. Precedent for Barrier <ul><li>3 rd Street to Mountain View </li></ul><ul><li>Travois Way </li></ul>
  44. 44. 3 rd Street looking towards Mountain View Road
  45. 45. Lovely Barrier at Travois Way
  46. 46. Precedent for Temporary Barrier <ul><li>Ridge Road </li></ul><ul><li>Similar traffic considerations were initially given to residents in the neighborhood of Ridge Road when Conestoga Street and Appaloosa Drive were developed. The barrier was removed when the 2nd access became available. </li></ul>
  47. 47. We are asking for a similar consideration. There is a legal precedent in the city of Moscow for barriers to remain until other streets are connected, to relieve traffic flow.
  48. 48. The IHTF is happy that the Thompsons chose to actively support the placement of the barricades on Indian Hills Sixth in the application. The neighbors recognize that the Thompson family is receptive to their concerns.
  49. 49. Excerpt from application: The Applicant supports the neighbors desire to have temporary barricades located on Indian Hills Drive; one at the currently stubbed location and the other barricade located at the east end of the lot just east of the Poloma Drive intersection. This would provide for a hammerhead turnaround for emergency vehicles and also address the through traffic concerns of the existing neighbors until such a time as Blaine Street is connected through to Palouse River Drive.
  50. 50. Issue #2 Solution: <ul><li>A temporary barrier on Indian Hills Drive remain intact , configured as the proposed hammer- head turnaround, until Blaine Street actually connects with East Palouse River Drive. </li></ul>
  51. 51. 104 Signatures To Keep Barrier
  52. 52. The City Engineer Stated <ul><li>People from the new proposed community will not travel through existing Indian Hills on Indian Hills Drive because it is a slower route to Hwy 95 </li></ul><ul><li>And that transient traffic will not choose to use Indian Hills Drive as a thoroughfare </li></ul><ul><li>We timed the different routes from the new proposed development. </li></ul>
  53. 53. 40% Faster To Use Indian Hills During Rush Hour! <ul><li>40% is significant! (At a P&Z meeting, the city’s engineer said that the time difference was in significant.) </li></ul><ul><li>40% faster to get across town is significant. </li></ul><ul><li>Losing 40% of a paycheck is significant. </li></ul><ul><li>Adding 40% body fat is significant. </li></ul>
  54. 54. <ul><li>If the city engineer is right, and no meaningful traffic takes Indian Hills, then a temporary barrier will inconvenience few.  </li></ul><ul><li>But if the city is wrong and we get a lot of traffic, then the damage will be done.  </li></ul>
  55. 55. Detractors Will Say: <ul><li>There will not be adequate ingress/egress (Comp Plan Sec. 10 pg. 11). </li></ul><ul><li>There are (and always have been) 2 exits/entrances for the current Indian Hills neighborhood </li></ul><ul><li>There will be 2 for the proposed development, and 3 when Indian Hills Drive connects to West Mountain View Road, and eventually 4 when Blaine connects to East Palouse River Drive </li></ul><ul><li>The hammerhead turnaround addresses this issue </li></ul>
  56. 56. Detractors Will Say: <ul><li>IHTF is anti-growth </li></ul><ul><li>No where in the IHTF goals do we say we are anti-growth. Maintaining a temporary barrier is not anti-growth. It is a way to mitigate the impact of new development on an existing development until the full traffic infrastructure is developed (in this case Blaine going through.) </li></ul>
  57. 57. Detractors Will Say: <ul><li>IHTF is obsessed with the barrier issue to the exclusion of all other options. </li></ul><ul><li>We have explored speed bumps, a traffic circle, a stop light on 95 & Styner, a frangible barrier on Indian Hills Drive, and Blaine connecting in the near future. All of these options, for one reason or another, were rejected by the city or the developer. So the temporary barrier is the idea that has risen to the top. </li></ul>
  58. 58. Detractors Will Say: What About The ‘Travois Bottleneck Issue’ (Non-Issue?) <ul><li>Poor Access to Blaine from Travois </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Four or five cars on Blaine could block Travois if the light is red at HWY 8 </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Cars turning left off of Travois onto Blaine could have to wait </li></ul></ul>
  59. 59. Keep In Mind: <ul><li>The potential for a bottleneck is a problem whether Indian Hills Drive has a temporary barrier until Blaine goes through, or not. (It only takes 4 or 5 cars……..) </li></ul><ul><li>The potential for a problem will not be mitigated in any way by any solution except Blaine Street connecting to Palouse River Drive. </li></ul><ul><li>It is a pre-existing problem. </li></ul>
  60. 60. Not Relevant To Our Discussion <ul><li>The Travois issue is a separate, pre-existing issue. </li></ul><ul><li>As such, it is important that we focus on the topics that we can control, such as the other issues the IHTF has identified as problem issues. </li></ul>
  61. 61. P&Z Commissioner Stated <ul><li>Paraphrased: </li></ul><ul><li>“ I have heavy traffic past my home, so if I can live with it, then the people on Indian Hills Drive can as well.” </li></ul>
  62. 62. <ul><li>That is true, we can live with it.  But that result negates the entire process of planning.  </li></ul><ul><li>We ask you to not run traffic through a neighborhood just because you can.    </li></ul><ul><li>Preserve what is pleasant in Moscow while building new places. </li></ul><ul><li>If traffic is funneled into Indian Hills Drive for the next 5-20 years, the traffic planning process will have been short circuited.  </li></ul>
  63. 63. Note: The Best Solution To Every Issue Is Connecting Blaine Street To Palouse River Drive As Was Intended By City Planners Of The Past
  64. 64. Homeowners of Indian Hills Are Asking the Moscow City Council To:
  65. 65. <ul><li>Postpone opening traffic through Indian Hills Drive until the full traffic infrastructure is developed -in this case Blaine Street going through to Palouse River Drive- to mitigate the impact of the new development on the existing Indian Hills neighborhood. </li></ul><ul><li>(Please help us keep a temporary barrier.) </li></ul><ul><li>  </li></ul>
  66. 66. 104 Signatures To Keep Barrier
  67. 67. <ul><li>We appreciate the opportunity to express our opinions and ideas to help achieve our goal: </li></ul><ul><li>To Maintain Safe, Healthy, Livable Community, That Adheres To City’s Comprehensive Plan </li></ul>
  68. 68. <ul><li>Thank You For Your Time! </li></ul>