A New Way to Buy a    Digital Organ   Andy Pierce St. Mark’s Episcopal Church Chenango Bridge, NY Central New York Chapter...
A New Instrument <ul><li>Aging 1980’s Johannus Electronic </li></ul><ul><li>Acoustic Problems in Church </li></ul><ul><li>...
St. Mark’s Church <ul><li>50 Year Old Building </li></ul><ul><li>170 (?) People Maximum </li></ul><ul><li>10:00 Principal ...
February 2004 <ul><li>Committee Formed </li></ul><ul><ul><li>http://www.buchorgan.com/selecting.htm </li></ul></ul><ul><ul...
Round Up the Usual Suspects  + <ul><li>Allen, representative from Williamsport </li></ul><ul><li>Wicks </li></ul><ul><li>R...
Education Phase <ul><li>Our Mission </li></ul><ul><ul><li>New Organ by Christmas 2004 </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Improve A...
Frustrations <ul><li>Difficult to Determine Real Costs </li></ul><ul><ul><li>OCH price versus Installed price </li></ul></...
Questions <ul><li>Should you tell your sales rep what your budget is? </li></ul><ul><li>Can you bargain on price? </li></u...
Online Resources <ul><li>Organ Manufacturers Websites </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Allowed calling customers for opinions </li></...
Smaller, Independent Manufacturers <ul><li>Church Organ Systems </li></ul><ul><li>Used Cassavant </li></ul><ul><li>Phoenix...
More Problems <ul><li>Summer Schedules – travel difficult </li></ul><ul><li>What does a Phoenix sound like? </li></ul><ul>...
Visit to Toronto <ul><li>Phoenix </li></ul><ul><ul><li>3 Churches, 1 with pipe/digital hybrid </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>T...
Keep Going? <ul><li>Great Sound, 3 manual, affordable </li></ul><ul><li>Have we searched enough? </li></ul><ul><li>Last mi...
Waiting… <ul><li>Organ Design, waiting for build completion, delivery schedule, what’s going on? </li></ul><ul><li>Email a...
Installation - Preparation
Installation - Preparation
Installation
Installation Continued - Voicing
Installation Complete
Draining the Ocean
Installation Complete
Dedication Concert <ul><li>Played by Don Anderson, president of Phoenix Organs, Peterborough, Ontario </li></ul>
Lessons Learned <ul><li>A New Way to Buy an Organ? </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Small manufacturer, leveraging technology and the...
Lessons Learned (continued) <ul><li>Work to improve your acoustics! </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Make it a part of the project </...
Lessons Learned <ul><li>Built by Organists, for Organists </li></ul><ul><li>Personal relationship with builders </li></ul>...
A New Way to Buy an Organ? <ul><li>Built by Organists, for Organists </li></ul><ul><li>Personal relationship with builders...
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A New Way to Buy a Digital Organ

  1. 1. A New Way to Buy a Digital Organ Andy Pierce St. Mark’s Episcopal Church Chenango Bridge, NY Central New York Chapter of the American Guild of Organists
  2. 2. A New Instrument <ul><li>Aging 1980’s Johannus Electronic </li></ul><ul><li>Acoustic Problems in Church </li></ul><ul><li>Choir Loft Problems </li></ul>
  3. 3. St. Mark’s Church <ul><li>50 Year Old Building </li></ul><ul><li>170 (?) People Maximum </li></ul><ul><li>10:00 Principal Service, 1982 Hymnal </li></ul><ul><li>Musical Gifts </li></ul>
  4. 4. February 2004 <ul><li>Committee Formed </li></ul><ul><ul><li>http://www.buchorgan.com/selecting.htm </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Have enough members, but not too many </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Members should know something about music </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Church organist should be on the committee </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Committee members must have time to look and listen </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>A member who understands finances </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Listen to the instruments </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Budgeting for a new church organ </li></ul></ul><ul><li>5 members; 2 Vestry, 2 Organists, 2 choir members, the church treasurer, 1 organist as consultant, with 2 other choir members along often. </li></ul><ul><li>And why are you the head? </li></ul>
  5. 5. Round Up the Usual Suspects + <ul><li>Allen, representative from Williamsport </li></ul><ul><li>Wicks </li></ul><ul><li>Rodgers </li></ul><ul><ul><li>-plus- </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Organ Clearing House </li></ul><ul><li>The Rev. Cullie Mowers </li></ul>
  6. 6. Education Phase <ul><li>Our Mission </li></ul><ul><ul><li>New Organ by Christmas 2004 </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Improve Acoustics </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Pipe Organ </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Construction Needs for Physical Changes </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Our Budget for the Whole Project </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Roughly $50K </li></ul></ul><ul><li>---------------------------------------------------------------------- </li></ul><ul><li>Our Committee </li></ul><ul><ul><li>$500 Budget for travel, think sessions, etc. </li></ul></ul>
  7. 7. Frustrations <ul><li>Difficult to Determine Real Costs </li></ul><ul><ul><li>OCH price versus Installed price </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Construction for Choir Loft > $15K </li></ul><ul><li>Time to Build and Install </li></ul><ul><li>Salesmen </li></ul><ul><ul><li>2 manual vs 3 manual </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Prices </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>CD’s </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>FUD </li></ul></ul>
  8. 8. Questions <ul><li>Should you tell your sales rep what your budget is? </li></ul><ul><li>Can you bargain on price? </li></ul><ul><li>Volunteers for the committee? </li></ul><ul><li>Ethics? </li></ul><ul><li>Consultant? </li></ul><ul><li>Fundraising? </li></ul><ul><li>Service Contracts? </li></ul><ul><li>Committee logistics </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Travel together? </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Unanimous Decision? </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Decision Authority? </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Listen for what? </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Authentic “pipe-like” sound, able to support our church music! </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Singing our hymns with aninstrument was critical for us! </li></ul></ul>
  9. 9. Online Resources <ul><li>Organ Manufacturers Websites </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Allowed calling customers for opinions </li></ul></ul><ul><li>http://organforum.com </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Opinionated People Around the World </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Forum based </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Interest Groups </li></ul></ul>
  10. 10. Smaller, Independent Manufacturers <ul><li>Church Organ Systems </li></ul><ul><li>Used Cassavant </li></ul><ul><li>Phoenix </li></ul><ul><ul><li>http://www.phoenixorgans.com </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Road Trip to Vernon, NJ </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>3 hour trip </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Community concert featuring the Fauré Requiem </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Phoenix Representative met us </li></ul></ul></ul>
  11. 11. More Problems <ul><li>Summer Schedules – travel difficult </li></ul><ul><li>What does a Phoenix sound like? </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Custom Designs (amps and speakers) and Installs in N.J. </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Conflict in a committee – how to handle? </li></ul><ul><li>Money Issues </li></ul>
  12. 12. Visit to Toronto <ul><li>Phoenix </li></ul><ul><ul><li>3 Churches, 1 with pipe/digital hybrid </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Travel up Friday night, tour Saturday, home Sat. night </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Aha! Moment </li></ul><ul><ul><li>This is not a mass produced instrument </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>This is not a Catalog Buying Experience </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>These guys love organs and organ music! </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>These guys have a lot of experience! </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>These instruments all sound different and wonderful ! </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>The console touch was judged excellent by our organists </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Every Phoenix is a unique instrument </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Don Anderson samples most of the stops himself </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Willing and eager to discuss any aspect of organ building </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Both conservative technology and advanced technology </li></ul></ul>
  13. 13. Keep Going? <ul><li>Great Sound, 3 manual, affordable </li></ul><ul><li>Have we searched enough? </li></ul><ul><li>Last minute addition </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Small builder with Walker Electronics </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Johannus </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Should we continue the search? </li></ul><ul><li>4 vote to buy a Phoenix, 1 abstention </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Are we done or not? </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Church description to Phoenix via church web site </li></ul><ul><li>Installation was first time in the church! </li></ul>
  14. 14. Waiting… <ul><li>Organ Design, waiting for build completion, delivery schedule, what’s going on? </li></ul><ul><li>Email as a way of life! </li></ul><ul><ul><li>200+ emails between representative and Phoenix company </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>First pictures of the console!!! </li></ul></ul>
  15. 15. Installation - Preparation
  16. 16. Installation - Preparation
  17. 17. Installation
  18. 18. Installation Continued - Voicing
  19. 19. Installation Complete
  20. 20. Draining the Ocean
  21. 21. Installation Complete
  22. 22. Dedication Concert <ul><li>Played by Don Anderson, president of Phoenix Organs, Peterborough, Ontario </li></ul>
  23. 23. Lessons Learned <ul><li>A New Way to Buy an Organ? </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Small manufacturer, leveraging technology and the web </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Seeking to stay small, build custom instruments </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Doing the stuff they do well, buying what they can </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Amps, keyboards, etc. </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Console </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Speakers </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Organ Samples – the heart and soul of digital instruments! </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Service </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Old Johannus sold on eBay!!! </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Is it for everyone? </li></ul><ul><ul><li>You need it when ? </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Comfort zone of working with a small builder </li></ul></ul>
  24. 24. Lessons Learned (continued) <ul><li>Work to improve your acoustics! </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Make it a part of the project </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Get rid of carpet, sound absorbing materials </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Ask about all the details </li></ul><ul><ul><li>“ Tell us about your wiring” </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Get a real surge suppressor </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Call other customers </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Remember what you are buying an organ for! </li></ul></ul>
  25. 25. Lessons Learned <ul><li>Built by Organists, for Organists </li></ul><ul><li>Personal relationship with builders </li></ul><ul><ul><li>20 minute to ½ day email response to a question </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Unqualified Recommendation of Phoenix to Others! </li></ul><ul><li>Phoenix, Walker, M&O – others? </li></ul><ul><li>OrganAssist2 Software for recording </li></ul>
  26. 26. A New Way to Buy an Organ? <ul><li>Built by Organists, for Organists </li></ul><ul><li>Personal relationship with builders </li></ul><ul><li>Really an OLD Way to Buy an Organ </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Trust with builder </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Craftsmen </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Artists </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Individual solutions </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Work with the builder </li></ul></ul>

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