Whose List Is It, Anyway? NJACAC Annual Conference June 7, 2010    Long Branch, NJ Shelley Krause
<ul><li>“ I want to go to a school  </li></ul><ul><li>that people have heard of  </li></ul><ul><li>and that I can be  </li...
<ul><li>“ My parents tell me I shouldn’t  </li></ul><ul><li>worry about the money,  </li></ul><ul><li>but I’m the oldest o...
<ul><li>“ I don’t even think  </li></ul><ul><li>I want to be a doctor,  </li></ul><ul><li>but I feel like what I want </li...
<ul><li>&quot;I’ve decided to attend  </li></ul><ul><li>College X because I think  </li></ul><ul><li>it would better enhan...
 
Your Turn Think of a specific student… & do an energy audit. <ul><li>Self-determination </li></ul><ul><li>Peer input </li>...
<ul><li>Aligning </li></ul><ul><li>values  </li></ul><ul><li>& beliefs   </li></ul>with  energy & tools
 
Tools to support student self-determination <ul><li>Comprehensive databases: </li></ul><ul><li>Collegeboard.com </li></ul>...
Tools to support students  who are concerned about $$ <ul><li>Navigator  (will soon include projected costs) </li></ul><ul...
 
College Lists Wiki http://collegelists.pbworks.com
 
 
The “missing” variables <ul><li>Housing availability </li></ul><ul><li>Standardized class size infographics </li></ul><ul>...
Dream a little dream… <ul><li>What do you use now? </li></ul><ul><li>What tool(s) do you  wish  you had available? </li></...
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How do YOU create college lists? In this era of increased availability of information and a concomitantly greater need for smarter searching, filtering, evaluation and analysis, we are all learning, and the list of available tools seems to be expanding exponentially. What factors go into the searches we’re all conducting? What can colleges do to get onto our “radar?”

We started by conducting "energy audits" on the college search process, then moved on to a little wiki “show & tell” and a quick review of some of the tools currently available to counselors, students, and families. We closed by sharing challenges & strategies, round-robin style. I was working with some great participants!

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  • Thank you all so much for joining me! Some of you may have attended a session that I co-moderated at NACAC in Baltimore this past fall in which we talked about online tools and their uses, and since then I have been doing some more thinking about these tools and what they’re good for. And I’ve started to think that like the “which college is best” question, where the answer is usually “for who”, the “which tool is best” question has a similarly contingent answer, and that is “for what”? So I am going to talk a bit about tools, and specifically about the wiki which I facilitate, but I’d like to start by talking a little bit about the “for who” and “for what” questions. So here are some student quotes…
  • Has anyone here counseled this student?
  • How about this one?
  • This one?
  • And this one? Ah, yes, the elusive and rare student who is primarily motivated by “fit.” I feel like we all spend so much time talking about the primacy of fit and match, hoping to somehow create more of these kids…
  • I’ve had a few cases every year where I ended up being caught off guard. The things that the student had reported were the most important weren’t actually the ones in play as the student moved through the process. Or the parents swoop in during the end game with some previously undisclosed parameters.
  • Think for a few minutes about a specific student and see if you can draw up an energy audit graph for them. What was that like for you?
  • This is what I’m aiming for. I want to get to the point where we are helping students be more reflective and aware of their values and beliefs, so that we can in turn encourage an appropriate focus of their energies and use of particular tools.
  • The tools are proliferating at an amazing rate. The good news? There’s a lot of information out there. The bad news? There’s a LOT of information out there!
  • So here are some tools that I think are supportive of students’ developing their own sense of what they want.. In general, I am a fan of databases. Because, like shopping at Zappos online store, YOU decide what the critical criteria are. In addition to comprehensive sites like Collegeboard &amp; the NCES Navigator, I like some of the specialty databases, too.. they can help a focused student cut right to the heart of a subset of information.
  • We’ve all seen an increase in concern about amount of indebtedness, so we’ll need more tools to help students and families with that.
  • The “premium filter” model (it’s not working for me)
  • Once upon a time, there was a counselor who collected lists. (Scott White at Montclair HS) I kept thinking, this should be a wiki. Until finally, I realized no one else was going to do it, so I did it. :-D
  • Barry Beach… a working artist who I’ve never met but who keeps this page updated and fresh.
  • Scott Doughty – a NJ counselor who has researched which schools “super score” students’ ACT results.
  • What we might have to look forward to…
  • Let’s stay in touch!
  • Whose List Is It, Anyway?

    1. 1. Whose List Is It, Anyway? NJACAC Annual Conference June 7, 2010  Long Branch, NJ Shelley Krause
    2. 2. <ul><li>“ I want to go to a school </li></ul><ul><li>that people have heard of </li></ul><ul><li>and that I can be </li></ul><ul><li>proud of having gone to.” </li></ul>
    3. 3. <ul><li>“ My parents tell me I shouldn’t </li></ul><ul><li>worry about the money, </li></ul><ul><li>but I’m the oldest of 3 kids… </li></ul><ul><li>of course I’m worrying </li></ul><ul><li>about the money!” </li></ul>
    4. 4. <ul><li>“ I don’t even think </li></ul><ul><li>I want to be a doctor, </li></ul><ul><li>but I feel like what I want </li></ul><ul><li>doesn’t count; med school </li></ul><ul><li>is all my parents talk about.” </li></ul>
    5. 5. <ul><li>&quot;I’ve decided to attend </li></ul><ul><li>College X because I think </li></ul><ul><li>it would better enhance </li></ul><ul><li>my personal development </li></ul><ul><li>than College Y.&quot; </li></ul>
    6. 7. Your Turn Think of a specific student… & do an energy audit. <ul><li>Self-determination </li></ul><ul><li>Peer input </li></ul><ul><li>Adult input </li></ul><ul><li>$$ </li></ul><ul><li>What colleges want </li></ul><ul><li>?? </li></ul>
    7. 8. <ul><li>Aligning </li></ul><ul><li>values </li></ul><ul><li>& beliefs </li></ul>with energy & tools
    8. 10. Tools to support student self-determination <ul><li>Comprehensive databases: </li></ul><ul><li>Collegeboard.com </li></ul><ul><li>NCES Navigator </li></ul><ul><li>Specialty databases: </li></ul><ul><li>AACSB-accredited programs </li></ul><ul><li>Div. III programs </li></ul>
    9. 11. Tools to support students who are concerned about $$ <ul><li>Navigator (will soon include projected costs) </li></ul><ul><li>http://www.projectonstudentdebt.org </li></ul><ul><li>http://www.meritaid.com / </li></ul><ul><li>http://www.finaid.org / </li></ul>
    10. 13. College Lists Wiki http://collegelists.pbworks.com
    11. 16. The “missing” variables <ul><li>Housing availability </li></ul><ul><li>Standardized class size infographics </li></ul><ul><li>Average amount of indebtedness </li></ul><ul><li>Effectiveness of advisory program </li></ul><ul><li>Comprehensive Open House database </li></ul><ul><li>Historical waitlist “reality check” info </li></ul><ul><li>Post-graduation outcomes </li></ul>
    12. 17. Dream a little dream… <ul><li>What do you use now? </li></ul><ul><li>What tool(s) do you wish you had available? </li></ul><ul><li>Sites we talked about today: </li></ul><ul><li>The College Lists wiki: http://bit.ly/collegewiki </li></ul><ul><li>This list of recommended resources: http://bit.ly/searchresources </li></ul><ul><li>Comprehensive college search tools list: http://bit.ly/collsearchtools </li></ul><ul><li>Thanks for joining me today! </li></ul><ul><li>Shelley Krause, [email_address] </li></ul><ul><li>@butwait on Twitter </li></ul>

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