Podcast #261 from http://www.bengreenfieldfitness.com/2013/10/261-hiddensources-of-gluten-crunching-in-your-knees-is-vitamin-d-toxic
Introduction: In today’s episode of the Ben Greenfield fitness podcast: Hidden
sources of gluten, what to do about crunching in your knees, Jessa
Greenfield’s top natural eczema cures, is vitamin D toxic, how to
know if your supplement is illegal, and natural remedies for a sports
So this is gonna be extra awkward. Not only can I not see you but I’m
actually wearing pants and a shirt and I’m not sweating.
Where you at? We’re not in Hawaii and I’m actually drinking ice
water. You think it would annoy people if I chew ice during the whole
No, I think people would love that, actually. I think that would boost
the ratings through the roof.
Are you an ice chewer, Brock?
No I’m not.
I am an ice chewer.
I’ve never been pregnant so I’ve never needed to chew ice.
I’ve been told by highly reputable health sources on the internet that
that’s indicative of an iron deficiency.
But it also could...
Comes with pregnant ladies...
Yeah, I was gonna say. That’s the other thing. I could be pregnant. So
Pregnant with an iron baby.
One of the two. But yeah, I’m an ice chewer so there you go. Well it’s
kinda weird to be recording an actual podcast in our actual recording
studio after actually being like recording from an island for the past 2
Yeah, I think the people would probably appreciate the sound quality
being back to normal. I actually saw and I appreciate whoever wrote
there put the negative comment about episode 259 was, I believe the
comment was “the most annoying podcast ever.” But then they
deleted it ‘cause I could not find that comment anywhere. I wanted to
actually find it and apologize...
And say, “I know, I’m sorry. We tried to do our best but it didn’t
sound great but thank you for deleting the comment. That was very
polite of you.”
Yeah. Point well taken. The audio crappiness is over and you guys are
in for an awesome ride today so.
Yeah, we’ll sound glorious. Content will be amazing. Everything’s
back to normal.
bengreenfieldfitness.com/261 is where you can go on the interwebs to
find the links to other places on the interwebs. They have awesome
and interesting studies that we will now explore with you.
That’s right, we’re always going through the best articles, the best
research, and bring it to you in this podcast and I figured, what the
heck, since it’s been a couple of weeks since we’ve really dug into the
research, we might as well start with our favourite topic – poop.
Hooray for poop.
That’s why the studies actually yeah, we haven’t actually done news
flashes in a while have we ‘cause this is actually kinda old news at this
Yeah this news...
Not that it’s not worth not talking about.
This news is about 20 days old but they’ve come up with a new pill to
cure gut issues that you may have and the pill is actually made from
poop. So we’ve talked in the podcast before about how you can
actually get rid of something like what’s called a C difficile or a
clostridium defficile infection with a stool transplant essentially you...
A fecal transplant.
You push the reboot button on your, on the bacteria in your intestines
by doing a fecal transplant and it got to the point where, and we
announced this in another podcast. It was an article in the New York
Times that people were like self-administering their own fecal
transplants. Some brilliant doctor came up with the idea though to
actually isolate bacteria from fecal matter, get it into a pill, and allow
you to actually consume this stuff in pill form via a nice little
convenient poop pill and it turns out the stuff actually works. So...
Yeah it was like a Canadian doctor, I believe too, is here in Ontario.
They figured it out. And you can tell that it’s a Canadian thing because
it’s called Repoopulate.
I thought it might be called something like poutine pooper partner,
something like that. Anyways though, it’s a little bit of a handful...
How is that more Canadian than Repoopolate?
You gotta take like 30 capsules and you down them in one sitting and
then they make their way down to your colon and they essentially
seed your colon with the normal variety of bacteria and they heal you.
A lot of folks are saying that this is gonna be the forefront in gut
medicine and we’ll link to the article in the show notes but it’s really
interesting and to me, a less yucky way to do a fecal transplant.
Now I know the answer to this question but I know there’s probably
some people out there that are scratching their heads and wondering
which end of the pills go in.
Which end of the pills go in? Oh they go in the mouth-end, by the
way. Yes, it’s not a...
You’re not putting 30 pills up the old wazoo as they say.
No, nope. Just straight into your normal, the normal.
The normal average mouth. So there’s that. We’ll link to that in the
show notes by the way. All the show notes are at
bengreenfieldfitness.com/261 so on a completely unrelated note,
there’s another study that came out that looked into V02 max so let’s
just totally go away from poop now.
Yeah. We’re changing direction completely.
Yes. So Brock you’ve probably heard before about this idea that your
maximum oxygen capacity or your V02 max is not really that
trainable or that increasable...
That you’re stuck with genetically right.
Yeah there’s a little bit of fluctuation but you can maximize what
you’re able to do but it doesn’t really go far.
And this new study specifically on endurance athletes suggest that
V02 max trainability is a lot higher than we’ve been led to believe and
the folks who are in this particular study, they showed a gain of about
0.1 liters per minute of v02 max and some folks in the study looks like
about 8% or so increase their v02 max by 0.7 litres or more. Now that
might not sound too much but that’s a huge increase in terms of
maximum oxygen capacity.
Yeah 7 millilitres.
Yeah that’s a lot of extra oxygen per minute in terms of what your
body can use for glucose delivery and oxygen delivery to work in
tissue so it’s pretty big and they actually looked at how long of an
interval you need to do or what kind of training program you need to
do to get that kind of an increase in v02 max so what they found was
that of all the studies that they looked at, the ones that generated the
biggest increases in v02 max used interval lengths like running on a
treadmill or riding a bike or I guess doing burpees or whatever you
wanna do to get your heart rate up.
Something that’s kicking your heart rate through the roof.
That’s right, high intensity continuous training. Anyways, about 3-5
minutes in duration so...
That’s a little bit longer than we’ve talked about before.
It’s a little bit longer than most articles and magazines and blogs will
tell you that you need to actually increase your v02 max but 3-5
And what they found was that they got the best results in athletes in
terms of increasing v02 max and this is gonna sound like a lot but a
10-week training program where folks are actually exercising 6 days a
week with cardio exercise but it was kinda like a continuous almost
like lower-intensity tempo effort 1 day for about 30 minutes and then
the next day they would do 6 3-5 minute efforts, each one separated
by 2 minutes of recovery so intervals one day and you know, 6 3-5
minutes first, that’s almost like 30 minutes worth of like hard work
and you know that’s almost an hour session but if you’re really serious
like if you’ve gone to a lab maybe and tested your v02 max and found
it to be lacking or you know, you find yourself sucking in when you’re
climbing a flight of stairs or whatever. Turns out you can actually get
some pretty big increases in v02 max by using this kind of, kind of
interval training approach in 3-5 minutes appears to be the sweet
What was the increase? It was 0.07 was the upper end?
0.7 liters per minute.
0.7 or 0.07?
0.7 not 0.07, 0.7.
That’s huge. I thought you said 0.07 before and I was thinking well
something millilitres that significant but 70 millilitres, that’s like...
It’s a big increase so yeah, pretty significant. So a couple other things,
I figured since we haven’t done research for a little while, I’ll toss
another couple of articles that I thought might be interesting that
came across the radar. One was a super cool article, one of my
favorite websites, theartofmanliness.com now don’t run away ladies
because this one is something that you could use too but it was article
about how to get tough.
And the name of the article is You May Be Strong But Are You Tough?
And it gives a lot of really cool practical tips for mental toughness and
for physical toughness and talks about how we’ve kinda lost a lot of
our toughness these days in our post-industrial comfortable era, so
some of the suggestions that they made were to try living for a week
without your car to try...
That’s easy. I haven’t had a car in years.
I know. I drove my truck like once a week. That one wasn’t too hard.
Shaving with a straight razor which that one would be tough for me I
Then I’d have to get rid of my beard.
I’m used to like comfortable razors. What else was on there? A trick
for running, when you’re out running and you wanna get yourself
tougher, imagine he says, imagine that my girlfriend was being
threatened by kidnappers and if I didn’t get to her in time, they would
Okay, I like that.
Imagine your loved one being killed when you want that mental
toughness during a run and you need to go save them.
I’m totally gonna use that during the New York City Marathon next
week. That’s gonna be my goal, save my mom.
And a lot of these were a lot for mental toughness. What’s another
one that they talked about right now for mental toughness? Those
were... Oh taking cold showers, occasionally fasting for 24 hours.
There were some other suggestions that they made, interestingly
things we talked about on the podcast before as far as like, you know
it all comes down to hormesis like right, teaching your body to
withstand hardship so it bounces back stronger. For physical
Yeah during a fast, you don’t feel very tough. You feel like a...
Like a pile of pudding.
Like a burst of wind could blow you over. Physical toughness, they
recommended looking into doing like a movnat training session
which is this session, this style of training that was designed by a guy
named Erwin Le Corre and you do lots of training in harsh weather
conditions like cold, heat, rain, snow, humidity, difficult terrains like
steep rocky slopes, slippery ground, radiating heat, dense vegetation,
stuff like that, like he puts a lot of these conferences down Mexico,
these move-nat conferences and they recommend that as one good
way to become physically tough. Another thing that they recommend
is to just get tough skin meaning like when you’re training like don’t
just train with like weight machines and stuff like learn how hold
barbells, learn how to hang from pull-up bars, and ropes, and rings,
and actually get calluses. They say if you’re getting calluses on your
hands or your feet from doing like barefoot training or using like
minimalist shoes, that that’s gonna help you to become more
physically tough. So I recommend that as well. They recommend
getting really supple joints. They said that that’s an oft overlooked
form of toughness to have good mobility and the recommendation for
that is again something that we’ve talked about in the podcast before
but doing what’s called self-myofascio release meaning like use tennis
balls, lacrosse balls, golf balls, stuff like that and find those tight hard
spots in your body and just like grind on them which as we know, can
produce quite a bit of toughness cause it’s teeth-gritting like difficult
but that’s another recommendation that they make. I’ve actually been
using these new things called Beasty Balls which, they’re made by the
same company that makes the rumble roller which is the roller that
has the ridges sticking out of it, it’s like a film roller on steroids but
now they make a ball and it’s just like a lacrosse ball size thing but the
ridges stick out of it. They’re pretty cool, they’re called Beasty Balls.
Yeah so there’s that. So a few other things they recommend is to go
and do hard workouts but breathe through your nose which I think is
a cool idea and stuff that we’ve talked about before too. Nasal...
Yeah, I’ve been trying that lately, I end up with a lot of snot down my
chin at first...
Yeah. You do it.... once the snot clears. I also you know, altitude
training masks. They sent Brock and I a few to try it out and I’ve been
training with that and that actually makes you more tough as well
because when you go out for more like an easy comi or an easy bike
ride, and all you do is add in that altitude training mask, it actually
makes it quite uncomfortable. So that’s another thing I think that can
Wait does that make you tough because it’s hard to breathe or does it
make you tough because you look like Bane or Darth Vader?
I think it makes you tough because you look like Bane and if you can
get like spiky shoulder pads, you know, like the spikes to keep...
Like road warrior in a black cape.
And a black cape. Not only will you look tough and be tough, but
you’ll have every police officer in the neighbourhood on your tail. So...
Be the toughest guy in the tank.
So it’s a cool article. We’ll link to that one in the show notes for all you
people who want to train barefoot with straight edge razors wearing
altitude training masks, check out the article.
And then the last article that I wanted to mention was that your
healthy supplement could be laced with illegal or dangerous drugs
and our friend over at...
Sweat Science. Alex Hutchinson, our friend over at Sweat Science...
Has been releasing stuff...
Really interesting article about a new journal in drug testing and
analysis that found that unlabeled methamphetamine in popular
workout supplements from GNC and from Natural Health Shop so
that was a little bit disturbing. They also found a specific form of
vitamin B supplement made by a company called Healthy Life
ironically contained the anabolic steroids dymethazine and
Yeah. I know. They also found the oxyelite supplement contained an
untested drug with a name almost too long to pronounce: two
hydroxy four methoxyphenyl ethanol three phenol two propenamide
which actually cause, had 29 victims and 2 actually had to receive
liver transplants and 1 died and that was from that particular sports
supplement. It actually caused acute hepatitis or liver failure so
So we’re talking about significant amounts of this stuff then, not just a
little trace amount that will pass through your system quite
harmlessly but obviously killing people.
Yeah, that was a vitamin c and multi-mineral pill so kinda like being
marketed as a multivitamin.
So both these methamphetamine... Seriously, I guess there was
enough that it was actually affecting people?
Yes, yup, so clinically significant sources of methamphetamine.
So you could actually fail a drug test at your new job or even your old
job if you were taking that.
Yeah. And we’ve talked about this before on the podcast but you need
to begin looking when you’re evaluating whether or not a supplement
is gonna be safe for you to take. Gold standard is you look for the NSF
certification period because products certified by the NSF certified for
sport, they’ve been through the ringer, it’s a very expensive
certification to put a supplement through and we’ll talk about this
later on the podcast about how to find out if something that you’re
taking might if you’re say doing a triathlon or doing a marathon or
doing something you might get tested might cause you to test positive
on a doping test but NSF certified is a really really good thing to look
for, they actually have a website over at nsfsport.com where you can
search for pretty much any nutrient or supplement type to find a list
of particular products that are NSF certified so say you wanna start
taking creatin. You can go to their website at nsfsport.com, we’ll link
to it in the show notes and you can just pull on creatin and they’ll just
give you a list of all the different supplement manufacturers that are
NSF certified that you could get creatin from for example so definitely
something to be aware of unless you dig the idea of hepatitis or unless
you want to experiment with methamphetamine which I hear is
I’ve got nowhere to go now to get it.
On a first-hand experience, yeah you know where to go. GNC or what
was the other one, Healthy Food Shop I think? So...
Healthy Meth Shop.
So there you go folks and I think now we’ve got a special guest coming
Hey it’s Ben Greenfield and Hollywood celebrity trainer Vinnie
Tortorich is on the line with me right now and he has a special sneak
peak into his audiobook “Fitness Confidential” which you can get on
Amazon, Audible, iTunes, I’ll put links to it in the show notes but
Vinnie, you work a little something special into that book. What is it
that you do?
Yeah, I didn’t know that I was gonna do this but when I got in there,
you know, I’m not a guy who reads for a living even though these are
my words, I got in there and I’m reading the book, you were in that
booth for hours on and I you know, if you listen to my podcast, I can
never stay on the page. And even though you get every ounce of the
book in the audio book, you also get me going off the page telling
stories around the stories in the book so you get added content.
So you adlib.
I do some adlib. The stories that are in there that are just thrown off
the cuff and you know, it’s all in there plus.
That’s kinda cool so when you record an audio book, there’s not any
like police officers or Nazis or anybody standing by making sure you
stick to the page and you could do that.
Well if I done this book in a traditional manner, that’s the way it
would have been done you know, the big companies would have
frowned upon that. But since I was doing my own book, I could do
whatever I want. I own the rights to it and that’s why the book’s as
successful as it is, you know, we’re shocked at how well it’s done but a
lot of it has to do with we didn’t have anyone to kawtaw to or anyone
to police us.
Nice. So there you go folks, an audiobook with no rules. It’s called
Fitness Confidential. I’ll link to it in the show notes over at
bengreenfieldfitness.com but you’re gonna be able to find it at
audible, amazon, iTunes, pretty much wherever books are sold and
it’s by Vinnie Tortorich, Hollywood celebrity trainer. Vinnie thanks
for coming on.
Thank you Ben.
Well we’re talking about audiobooks we should direct everybody to
audiblepodcast.com/ben that’s audiblepodcast.com/ben where you
can go and sign up and get your free audiobook.
With a 30-day trial. Yeah.
Totally free. You can grab that book that Vinnie was just talking about
or really, any book you would like at audiblepodcast.com/ben and if
you go there they can they actually somehow has some magic tracking
capability that allows you them to see that you heard this podcast and
you got a book there so everybody’s happy.
And maybe send us a cookie or a pat...
An audible cookie. Something like that. By the way, speaking of
Vinnie, I am going down to LA. October 31st until November 4th, I’m
gonna be traipsing across LA/Malibu/Santa Monica and actually
coming down to Santa Barbara as well and I’ll be recording with
Vinnie Tortorich, I’ll be doing a podcast with Rich Roll, maybe
throwing down a few others as well. Might do something with Tawnee
Prazac with Endurance Planet but I’ll be traipsing across California so
if we’ve got listeners who are down in LA you might wanna meet up,
I’ll be down there in October, October 31st through November 4th so
maybe we can do a...
And we’ll be sleeping on the beach so maybe if you have a couch that
maybe we can come and crash on, that will be nice.
Or a surf board.
Or a surf board.
And I’ll be returning to California again in December. I’ll be coming
down to San Francisco. I don’t know if anyone’s familiar with
creativeLIVE. Have you heard of CreativeLIVE before Brock?
I have, yeah.
It’s like this...
This little online learning kind of thing.
Yeah it’s really kinda cool like online learning, you go and take a
course and you actually take the course live online and then I think
you can pay to access like replays or downloads of the course but I’m
putting together a full 3-day workshop and going down to San
Francisco and we’ll be filming it down there with like a live audience
and anyways it should be either really cool or complete train wreck
but it’s called Achieve Ultimate Human Performance and it’s just
gonna be me in a white lab coat and like a skeleton model of the
human body, I’ll just pointing at it and no...
Are you sure it will be a live audience and not a laugh track?
There will be a live studio audience and a live laugh track.
All of the above so it’s called Achieve Ultimate Human Performance.
We’re gonna put a link to it in the show notes because it just launched
like it just finalized this thing with creativeLIVE so December 11th to
14th is the live one where you can like ask questions and you can
follow it online and check it out or if you’re down in San Francisco, I
don’t know there might be a way to attend it live but I’ll put a link in
the show notes over at bengreenfieldfitness.com/251.
Speaking of achieving ultimate human performance, the book is out.
For those of you who have been living under a rock and didn’t hear
about this yet, my brand new epitome of everything you need to
achieve, optimum human performance is available on book for now at
Amazon and at Barnes and Noble and that’s all over along with over
$5ooo in swag and raffles and giveaways over at
We’ve a big response when we launched. We’re like number 1 in
Amazon in health, fitness, in triathlon, huge shoutout to all the folks
who jumped on board when we did the pre-launch last week. By the
way if you’re listening in and you haven’t yet gotten your email with
all of your discounts and all of your swag that you get when you did
the pre-order, go check your email inbox. We had a few technical
issues where there were about, I think it came up to about 450 folks
who didn’t get the email with all of your discount codes for ordering
one book or ordering 3 books or ordering 10 books so those emails
are all getting sent out manually now rather than on an automated
basis so you’ll get...
Stupid internet. So you’ll get those soon. So I think...
There’s one other quick special announcement that I wanted to make
to folks. VIPTextClub, so for anybody who lives in the US, you may
know this if you’ve been getting text messages from me on a Friday
night, drunk with horrible spelling...
It’s like can you bring me a pizza. I’m out of beer.
There are special discounts that I give out as well as insider deals
usually like PDF downloads, little insider videos and audios. I send
out little things once every 2 weeks or so just via text message to
anybody who’s in my VIPTextClub and you get into the VIPTextClub
by texting the word fitness to the number 411247 and the US Federal
Government, bless their heart, I thought they had the month off but
apparently they didn’t and they shut down the VIPTextClub because
they said that everybody who is part of something like that has to do
what’s called re-opting in so what that means is you may have, if
you’re part of the VIPTextClub, you may have got a special message
from me at some point in the past few days that told you to reply with
the word fitness if you wanted to stay in the VIPTextClub. That wasn’t
a joke. You actually have to do that if you wanna keep getting all the
discounts and all the cool shiznap I’ve been sending your way. So if
you’re not in the VIPTextClub, get in now, it’s free, doesn’t cause you
anything. You just text the word fitness to 411247. if you were already
on the VIPTextClub, you have to join again for free by replying to that
e-mail that I or replying to that text message that I just sent out and
just use the word fitness in the text message and you’ll be good to go.
And now I can shut up.
Actually I wanna ask you one thing.
I know you interviewed Durian Rider the other day and I wanna know
how it went.
For those of you who don’t know Durian Rider, he was the fellow who
posted a video where he absolutely lambasted both Ben and Vinnie
Tortorich. It was quite scathing in fact and it was very very rude and
outlandish in fact. So Ben...
Actually he called Vinnie’s podcast show host fat but he didn’t
actually call you fat so you got away.
That’s good. Yeah.
Anyways though, that podcast went well and it’s available now to
anybody who’s a premium subscriber that and a really interesting
bengreenfieldfitness.com/premium and we argued for a solid 90
minutes, the Durian Rider guy and I, it actually was a pretty epic, I
think one of the better podcast that we’ve ever done in terms of
bengreenfieldfitness.com/premium. If you have the phone app, our
free phone app, then you’ll see it in there. There might be a little lock
but next to it that means you can unlock it if you’re part of the
premium Ben Greenfield podcast.
It’s only $10 a year.
Only 10 bucks a year so.
So would you say this 90 minutes of throw down with the dirty
bananas a day guy is worth 10 bucks?
And a bucket of popcorn baby.
Hey Ben it’s Lanny Testracohen. Yeah, I’m just leaving a feedback on
your top 12 resistance training routines. I’m loving the book. I’m a
kinesiologist myself, I’ve been akin for 15 years so yeah, just started
running in December of 08 and you know, took on Ironman and done
that now 3 times. The book is a definite bonus and a must for
triathletes I think you know, being a kinesiologist myself, I think
you’ve done a great job at making it easy to read you know, you
formatted it with videos which is great and I like the fact that you’ve
touched on the subject of puritization which is often overlooked in
training programs so you know, I’m happy to add it to my repertoire
with my clients and as well as I’ve been using some of the routines in
the off-season now for myself so much appreciated. Great stuff. Look
forward to more stuff that you put out. Take care.
You know until I listened to this testimonial from Lanny which is
really nice, thanks Lanny, I actually well I still have no idea what the
Top 12 Resistance Training Routines book is. How many books do
you write man? I can’t keep up.
It was like my version of cross-fit endurance before cross-fit
endurance existed. It’s just this super high like met-con style
workouts that leave you crawling out of the weight room so it was
back when I, like there was kind of a time back in I think it was like
2009 or so like I kinda got into like doing the cross-fit wads every day
and then I though screw this, I’m gonna write my own workout so I
created these 12 workouts that just destroy you. Not necessarily for
everybody but of you like a good workout and you just get into the
gym and they take like 20-30 minutes and just yeah, destroy you,
that’s over at thestrongtriathlete how do you like that?
thestrongthriathlete.com, Yeah it’s called the Top 12 Resistance
Training Routines for Traithletes and...
So would this be something for muscle building?
My apologies to anyone who buys that book because you’re gonna be
puking. It is, no it’s not for muscle gain or for, well I mean it will
cause muscle gain and fat loss but it was pretty much just right there
to kick your ass. That’s...
Yeah. It’s a pointless ass-kicking book so it will make you tough
Available at pointlessasskicking.com
Throw that along with straight edge razor shaving.
I need to register that url right now before somebody else does.
I was just calling to find out if it’s possible to be gluten intolerant and
not know it. Well you could be like not be able to handle it but not
really have any severe symptoms. Thanks.
That’s an interesting question. I’ve actually heard people talk about
this kind of thing before, that you actually can be insensitive or like
gluten, not necessarily completely intolerant but without actually
showing any of those like symptoms people sort of associate with with
being a celiac with being stomach cramps and diarrhea and all that
You can and I’ve been guilty before in this podcast of suggesting that
gluten sensitivity and gluten-free diets were simply becoming more
popular because it was becoming kinda like the sexy thing to do and
because awareness of gluten sensitivity is somehow grown so more
people are all of a sudden saying that they have it but I’ve been
looking into this and there’s actually some pretty good studies that
have been coming out that show that there literally is an increase in
the prevalence of celiac disease and immune reaction to gluten and
gluten sensitivity and so people actually are coming down even in
Italy. You’re seeing this more and more. High rates of celiac disease,
high rinse of gluten intolerance, and it’s not because people are more
aware of it. It literally is, it’s showing up clinically more often and the
reason for that is because gluten is different. Like the gluten that we
eat today is not the same gluten that like our grandparents ate even.
It’s changed as recently as that. And the reason for that is kinda
multi-fold so first of all, Brock you’re probably familiar with this
concept of hybridization like creating different strains of agriculture
well they’ve created different strains of wheat for high-yield crops and
when you do that, you alter the protein sequence of the wheat and
we’ve literally created like a new wheat and we talked about this like
in the wheat belly podcast that I did with Dr. William Davis and he
talks about it in his book The Wheat Belly and this new breed of
wheat appears to be higher in what’s called wheat germ agglutinin
which is a lactin that the stomach is very sensitive to and that makes
it more prone to trigger immune reactions. That’s not all though,
That’s not the only reason that wheat has become a bigger issue.
There’s also this process that’s specifically by the food processing
industry and it’s called diamidation and diamidation is this process of
using acids or using enzymes to make gluten water-soluble so usually
gluten is only soluble in an alcoholic medium but it mixes more easily
with food of you make it water-soluble so they use this process...
Wait are you calling me an alcoholic medium?
I am. The alcoholic witch. But diamidation creates a pretty severe
immune response and so that also has made wheat more of an
immune issue that along with the hybridization. So what’s kinda
concerning to me is the fact that it goes way beyond your gut and
gluten can be extremely harmful to your nervous system as well. This
is something that you’ll find for example in a really good book called
Why Isn’t My Brain Working, it’s a relatively new book but it listed a
ton of studies that have shown associations between gluten sensitivity
and these forms of wheat and disorders in like every major part of
your nervous system like your brain, your spinal cord, nerves that go
into your arms, into your feet, like everything from restless legs
syndrome to like migraines to even cramping and stuff like that.
So the immune system essentially starts to attack its own nervous
tissue when you produce antibodies to gluten and so that’s another
issue that comes up with gluten. Most tests for gluten don’t really test
for that type of immune response, they only test for the immune
response in the gut not the immune response to the nervous system.
And this comes down to something that I’ll talk about in a second
when it comes to actually testing for gluten and finding out if you
might be one of the people for who this is a big problem and also you
know, there are some hidden sources of gluten that I wanna talk
about too. But the way that gluten actually triggers an immune
response is via these things called transglutaminasis and those are
enzymes that help to bind protein together and they’re also involved
in the digestion of wheat and when we get transglutaminasis into our
body, our body forms antibodies against those transglutaminasis and
tends to attack issues where those might appear, where those
transglutaminasis appear. So you’ve got transglutaminase too and
that’s the one that’s found in your intestinal lining and so when you
get inflammation damaging your gut lining, you find
transglutaminasis in your gut and your body reacts to those and tags
them antibodies and you end up getting an immune reaction in your
gut and that’s what most people associate with diarrhea and gas and
bloating and stuff like that but there’s also a transglutaminase in your
skin called TG3 and people who have immune reaction to that might
eat gluten and get like some red spots or even like eczema and stuff
like that. There’s another one called transglutaminase 6 or TG6 that’s
the one found in the nervous system and people who have an immune
reaction and get that, against that, they get like brain fog or they get
like slow reaction times or nerve issues but most tests for
transglutaminase only test for that one in the gut, that TG2. So they
don’t test for the skin one, the TG3, or the nervous system one, the
TG6. So that’s one of the issues with testing and one of the reasons
why some people can have gluten sensitivities and not know it just
because they’re producing antibodies against these transglutaminases
that most gluten tests aren’t actually testing for. So there are a few
other issues that I think ‘cause some people that have even tested for
gluten sensitivity is to think that they’re not reactive to gluten. One is
that there’s this sticky portion of gluten that’s called glutenin but then
there’s also a protein portion of gluten that’s called gliadin and most
of us have heard of gliadin before, we’ve kinda looked into to gluten
sensitivity reactions but a lot of times, what tests are measuring is not
the specific gliadin antibody that a lot of people tend to be allergic to
because gliadin has actually 3 different components to it. You’ve got
one form called alpha, one form called omega, and one form called
gamma and most tests only test for these alpha gliadin antibodies, the
ones that are associated with celiac disease but they don’t test for the
omega or the gamma gliadins which can also cause the same type of
gluten reactivity and sensitivity issues. So that’s one issue with
common forms of gluten testing. And then we’ve got glutenin which is
kind of the sticky portion, it’s like 50% portion of wheat and most
tests don’t test for glutenin at all. They only test for the gliadin part of
the protein not the glutenin part of the protein even though the
glutenin part can also cause immune issues. I mentioned that process
of diamidation where they make gluten water-soluble and a lot of
tests don’t test for what’s called diamidated gluten. They can’t
recognize diamidated gluten so they only test for regular gluten and if
someone’s getting gluten from like processed foods, it doesn’t show
up on the test even though someone might be allergic to diamidated
gluten when they’re not allergic to like regular gluten. And then
you’ve also got what I talked about earlier, lactins from what’s called
the wheat germ glutenin which is typically something that’s formed
from this high-yield crops and also what are called opioids which is
one of the reasons that most people have a really really hard time
giving up wheat because wheat actually has the same component as
opiod drugs like heroin in it and that also can be something that
people form antibodies against and it produces what basically a
neurological reaction to gluten again you get that kind of a brain fog
deal, you know when you get gluten free, a lot of times you get like
depressions and mood swings and you know like withdrawal
symptoms just because it’s addictive but most tests, they’re just
testing for that TG2 antibody that’s found in the intestinal tract and
they’re testing for regular gluten, they’re not testing for like
diamidated gluten, they’re not testing for these opioids, they’re not
testing a lot of times for gliadin or glutenin and so it’s kind of an issue
and so if you’re gonna go out and get tested for gluten, you need to do
the right kind of test.
You need a test that’s gonna test for all the different forms of gliadin
so alpha, omega, and gamma, you need a test that’s gonna test for
diamidated gliadin, you need a test that’s gonna look at wheat germ
glutenin, WGA, one that’s gonna look at all these different opioids
and then one that’s gonna look at transglutaminase 2 but then also
number 3 and number 6. Now this is where a company called Cyrex
Labs come in and I have no financial affiliation with them or anything
like that. I’ll put a link to them in the show notes but they have a test
that tests for all of that stuff that if you really truly wanted to see if
gluten is an issue for you, that would be the one to get. It’s called the...
Okay, go ahead.
I was just gonna say, is there really any point in getting that test
anyway? It sounds to me like we’re all just sort of living in some state
or another of being gluten intolerant so wouldn’t it just be easier to
cut it out?
Well it’s a good idea to be careful of any modern sources of gluten like
unless you’re gonna be using like an ancient form of wheat like an
ancient strain of wheat, that’s a really good idea. But the reason that
you’d wanna get a test and it’s called a cyrex array 4 food sensitivity
panel is it’s a little bit different than other food sensitivity panels that
I’ve kind of raised an eyebrow at before on the podcast because it not
only tests for gluten but it tests for a lot of these food that are crossreactive to gluten. Foods that a lot of people, if they tend to be
sensitive to gluten, also might tend to be sensitive to or might benefit
from eliminating from the diet especially if they tend to have
damaged gut, at least if they kinda rebuilt their gut or fixed their guts
so to speak so that test not only looks at all the different components
of gluten that I talked about but it also tends to look at things that
tend to cross-react with gluten and those that, the most common ones
like cow’s milk, whey protein is a big one, chocolate and milk
chocolate, sorry folks is a big one, oats even like gluten-free oats but
oats are a big one, instant coffee is another one, you look at eggs, soy,
corn, pretty much all that stuff and they’ll give you a really really
helpful list for someone who deals with like bloating, gas, diarrhea,
brain fog, you get sick a lot, this would be a test that’s pretty worth
running. It’s called a cyrex array 4 food sensitivity panel...
Is this a blood test or a saliva test?
It’s a blood so now, you’re gonna find out if you do have a lot of flags
popping out that you may actually need certain things that help you
along when it comes to fixing your gut or that help you if you are
getting exposed to gluten or you just haven’t figured out a way to
eliminate some of these from your diet. Now, some of the bigger ones
that we haven’t talked about in the podcast that you may wanna look
into that I’ll link to one is a digestive enzyme that actually helps you
to digest gliadin and actually helps you to digest casine which is the
component of dairy that tends to cross-react with gladin or gliadin.
Gladin should be the name of a happy band like Glee. Gliadin and
casine is something that this will help in, it’s called DD or DPP4. It’s a
specific type of digestive enzyme, you can get it off like amazon.com.
We’ll put a link in the show notes. That would be one to take. There is
another one called brush-border enzymes and we’ve talked about
proteolytic enzymes like papain and bromelain and stuff like that in
the podcast before for helping out with muscle soreness or muscle
repair, these are more designed to literally repair your intestinal
microvilli and to help to rebuild what are called your brush-border
enzymes. If you’re using papain, bromelain, and stuff like that. And
you do have a damaged gut, it can actually cause more damage
whereas these brush-border enzymes would be something that you’d
use early on in the process as you’re trying to heal your gut.
And then the last thing that can really help out that I don’t think
we’ve touched on before in terms of its significance in terms of
helping out intestinal inflammation for gluten responses are
flavanoids literally like plant extracts from wild plants like lycopene
and quercetin and luodon and stuff like that. And that’s, that, what I
would recommend for something like that would be the lifeshotz
supplement that I’ve talked about before. We’ll link to that one as
well. But ultimately, like gold standard, if you’re concerned about this
stuff is you go get this test from Cyrex Labs and then if, as you’re kind
of healing up, at least for a month or so, I’d recommend you take
DDP4 enzymes, you take some brush-border enzymes, use like a
really good full-spectrum antioxidant that has a lot of flavanoids in it
and that would help and you know, as far as symptoms go,
understand that gluten intolerance symptoms go way above and
beyond like you know the farts and it can be brain fog, it can be
muscle cramping, it can be nervous system degradation that doesn’t
even manifest for a good 5-10 years until you know your mile and
cheats are worn down so pretty interesting stuff and a really good
panel to run so. Now...
One last, hopefully quick question. Is it worthwhile cutting back on
gluten or is it really sort of an all or nothing kind of situation?
It is pretty much an all or nothing kind of situation if it’s actual
gluten, it’s you know, it’s kind of being, you know, the way I’ve heard
it described before is like you know, you’re either 90% pregnant or
you’re not pregnant or how does it go? I totally effed that up. You
can’t be 90% pregnant. You either are pregnant or you’re not.
There you go. That makes more sense.
There you go.
Hi Ben this is Tim from Peru, Illinois. Recently I noticed that my
knees make a crunchy noise when I get into kind of a squat position,
walk upstairs or even lunge, usually there’s not too much pain
involved. They do feel a little stiff and there’s some swelling every
now and then. I have started to notice that when I’m doing squats
lately that I’m feeling a little instability between my knees kind of
where the cartilage would be. I’d like to know if there are any
particular supplements, therapies or exercises that you’d recommend.
I run a couple days a week, lift weights 3 days a week and getting
ready to start a hockey league. I play goalie and so my knees are
especially important to me. I really appreciate the podcast and look
forward to hearing from you. Thanks. Bye.
Hey Tim you can press people at parties if you refer to it as crepitus.
That’s right. So...
Is that you Latin-speaking self coming out again?
Creaking joints and crunching joints don’t necessarily mean that you
have arthritis. If...
Otherwise I’d had arthritis ever since I was 8.
Yeah, I mean if they aren’t associated with pain I mean like for
example, you can get like popping noises like the noises like your
knuckle cracking. Those are just gas, that’s just nitrogen getting
displaced and it enters the joint fluid that lubricates your joint and
then when you push or pull a certain joint like when you pop your
knuckles, those nitrogen bubbles basically like pop and you just hear
gasses moving around so that’s one issue.
They give you gasses...
Just blame them on your fingers. Another kind of joint noise can
occur when tendon or ligaments cross over joints that they’re
attached to. So like you’ll hear some people crack their neck, that’s
usually ligaments crossing over their vertebra in the neck that you
hear cracking or popping. Some people get like a cracking or a
snapping hip, that is similarly not an arthritis issue. It’s not
necessarily an issue you should ignore because it means you have
tight hips and you do some mobility work for your specifically like
your sowass or your hip flexors but ultimately that’s not an arthritis
or a cartilaginate issue, it’s just snapping, it’s just tendons or
ligaments crossing over bony joints and snapping so if there is
damage to the cartilage, if there’s damage to the joint surface, you can
also get cracking and crunching and creaking and this is the type of
joint noise that’s really accurately termed crepitus. That’s true loss of
joint cartilage, wear and tear in the joint surface that results in the
type of issues that Tim is probably experiencing in his knees.
Yeah since he’s got some pain and some swelling and stuff.
Exactly. The nice thing is that you know, some of it can still be related
to this popping or snapping related to the specifically in this case the
kneecap or the patella bone, snapping as it moves over bony
providences in the femur or on the articulating surface of the tibia.
Now in most cases, that’s improper tracking of the patella that would
cause something like that and that can usually be fixed through a
combination of hamstring stretching and strengthening a specific part
of your knee called the VMO that’s in... Like if you flex your knees,
especially if it’s in a straight position and you notice a tear drop
shaped muscle form over the inside of the knee, that’s called your
VMO muscle and you can strengthen that. I’m gonna put a link for
Tim in the show notes to about 10 different really good VMO
exercises but the simplest is you simply sit on the ground with your
legs out in front of you and you put like a pillow or a cushion and a
foam roller, whatever, in between your thighs and then you simply
pick your legs off the ground while simply squeezing them together
and you just hold that for 10 seconds and you can feel your VMO
working as you do that and then you just release that contraction and
then repeat but then you could do like standing straight leg
extensions, you can do different forms of squats or lunges where
you’re really activating the VMO by kind of like turning your feet out,
when you’re turning your feet out you tend to activate that VMO a
little bit more. You can even walk uphill on a treadmill while trying to
keep relatively straight legs with your toes kinda turned out. That
works the VMO I mean there’s a lot of different things you can work
it. I found out a lot of that stuff because I couldn’t run for a good 6
months when I injured my knees playing too much volleyball in
college and I got essentially what was jumper’s knee and...
Too much vertical jumping.
It was not just because I was Michael Jordan-ing a volleyball, you
know, ever single night of the week but I was not also stretching my
hamstrings and not paying attention to my VMO strength. So big big
part of this is the VMO when you’re looking at the hamstring
component, a big big part of that is strengthening your posterior
chain just as much as maintaining mobility in the hamstrings. Good
book that I’ll just touch on briefly ‘cause I’ve kinda kicked this horse
to death in a previous podcast but I think everybody should own the
book Foundation. I’ll link to it in the show notes. I’ve gotten into that
book so much that 3 mornings a week now, I do all 10 exercises in
that book to turn on my butt and to strengthen my posterior chain
and to kinda keep my butt activated and it’s made a huge huge
difference in just like my posture during the day, the way I stand, the
way I squat, everything so my butt does not appear to be growing in
size unfortunately, it doesn’t appear to have any positive aesthetic
effect but at the same time, I also am not morphing into a J.Lo so
anyways though, the foundation exercises I would definitely do those.
You asked about supplements, in additional to doing the VMO
exercises, stretching the hamstrings, doing all 10 foundation exercises
from that book Foundation that we’ll link to in the show notes,
number 1 supplement would be CapraFlex. That’s just like, I keep a
bottle in my refrigerator at all times. It’s my go-to anti-inflammatory
joint formula, that’s like cherry juice, turmeric, ginger, glucose amino
chondroitin from like organic type 2 chicken collagen. It’s pretty
much the only supplement I found that actually makes your joints feel
better when they hurt so that one. If I ever feel beat up, if I’ve done a
race and my joints are hurting, If I done a hard workout the day
before, I’ll pop anywhere from 6-12 of those and I literally just pop
them like candy like I don’t even swallow them, I just chew them up
and chase them with a glass of water but CapraFlex is the one that I’d
recommend for that. And those would be the biggies when it comes to
the crunchy munchies in your knees.
Being that Tim is a goalie, I don’t know how old he is but he may
remember a guy named Vladislav Tretiak who used to play for the
Chicago Black Hawks back on the...
Who doesn’t remember good old Vlada Lav?
Vladis Lav? Well if you were born in the ‘70s, you would have idolize
him like the rest of us did, but when he played for the Soviet Team,
they used to break his kneecaps repeatedly in the offseason and then
let them heal in order for them to get really strong and get all his bony
castration or cross station so he was able to fall on his knees
repeatedly without hurting them. Tim may wanna look into that
And just... For the record, I believe that Brock just said bony
Hi Ben. This is Jenny. I have a question for the podcast. I have a
recurring instances of eczema around my eyes and it’s driving me
nuts. It seems like I will get the dryness around my eyes and my eyes
will look more wrinkled unfortunately and I’ve been to the
dermatologist, I’ve used different creams that she’s given me and I
even had the, I even did a week of low-dose cortisone oral which I
really don’t like to do and what happens is it will go away and then it
comes back and then it goes away and comes back and here it is again
and I don’t know if there’s anything I could do dietary or anything you
have suggestions but I am just desperate to get rid of this. It’s driving
me crazy. I’d really appreciate your help. Thank you so much and
thank you for the show. Bye.
I’m pretty sure we’ve talked about eczema or eczema on the show
before so maybe we should... I’d do a spin and see if I could...
I asked my wife about this because she used to deal with eczema like
crazy. She used to deal with eczema and acne like one of the first ways
we started eating healthy was back in the day we bought like Loren
Cordain who’s now kinda involved in like the paleo movement but he
wrote this book called the Deitary Cure for Acne and it talked about
removal of commercial grains and dairy from the diet. My wife did
that like it was back in the day when I was a personal trainer and I
didn’t care about nutrition that much. This was like 7 or 8 years ago
So she did it before it was cool.
Yeah like overnight, I saw my wife’s acne go away and I was kinda like
holy cow so that’s kinda where I started looking at maybe thinking
outside the box when it comes to nutrition actually was it all started
with my wife’s skin. So of course she was the first person I went to
and I actually asked her this question this morning before jumping in
here to do the podcast because I saw that we had a question on
eczema. She has a few things that she does. First of all, apple cider
vinegar. She actually will put a few shots of apple cider vinegar in the
bathtub as well as take a couple of shots orally and alkalinity from
apple cider vinegar is supposed to help tremendously with the eczema
response, that’s one thing that she does.
Both inside and out.
Yup. She got it from a website called, I think it’s soapgoods.com. She
purchases beeswax and then gets coconut oil and actually makes her
own lotion with beeswax and coconut oil, 2 components that can help
out quite a bit with both acne and eczema by drawing a lot of stuff out
into the skin but there are companies like if you didn’t wanna make
your own, I know Burt’s beeswax does one that has beeswax and
coconut oil in it, You can get that one off at Amazon. We’ll put a link
to it in the show notes but like Burt’s Beeswax would be an example of
kinda like a safe kinda topical to use for something like eczema and I
don’t know if you’ve tried that with the creams and like the cortisone
type of lotions that you used Jenny but look into anything that has
beeswax and coconut oil in it. There are also a few other topical that
may work that have specific herbal extracts in it. Look for things with
3 different ingredients. One called camomile, one called licorice, and
one called witch hazel. Any of those 3 have been shown in studies to
be just as good as or better than a cortisone cream for eczema so
topical herbal application, you could technically make your own like if
you were to go like mountain rose herbs, and get like a camomile,
licorice, witch hazel lie essential oils, add those into some beeswax
and some coconut oil, you could technically make your own kinda
topical kinda herbal gel for eczema.
And you’ve got some kind of delicious tea as well.
Yeah and you have some kind of delicious tea or lotion you could eat
if you ever find yourself in a car wreck and you know, in a ditch by the
side of the road for a while. Probiotics have been shown to be really
effective against eczema and you know, part of this might be because
eczema is a little bit of an autoimmune issue, similar to other skin
issues, like the gluten that we talked about and that transglutaminase
6 that I mentioned earlier you know, you can also get other
autoimmune reactions to other foods that can manifest as eczema.
Gut inflammation can also manifest as eczema and that’s where using
a really good therapeutic grade probiotic could really rally help out.
Right now my favourite probiotic in addition to just like making your
own you know sauerkraut and kambucha and kiefer and stuff like that
at home is the caprobiotics.
That’s a really good one but getting into probiotics would be
something else to look at. In on a related note to that, I would
recommend that you would look into an autoimmune protocol like a
4-8 week autoimmune protocol where you’re completely eliminating
any foods that might be remotely be associated with your eczema. My
favourite way to do that is just to grab the autoimmune protocol
ebook. There’s a really good one out there called the Paleo
Autoimmune Protocol. I’ll put a link to it in the show notes. It’s like, I
think it’s got a 4-week option or an 8-week option, that’d be a really
good one to grab. The last thing that I would look into that’s again
been shown to have an effect on eczema is an essential fatty acid that
can shut down the inflammation specifically the inflammation that’s
present in skin lipids that can trigger the inflammation that causes
eczema. This can be something that you take orally, it’s called gamma
linoleic acid, you’re gonna find it in things like primrose oil, thing like
borage oil, it’s present in the fish oil that I recommend the Super
Essentials fish oil but any source of gamma linoleic acid can be really
helpful as well and there was one double blind study that looked at
the use of borage oil versus a control group for eczema and the
essential fatty acids supplement group did indeed improve so I’ll put
a link to the Super Essentials borage extract and fish oil, the burt’s
beeswax lotion stuff, the autoimmune protocol, the probiotics,
everything over at bengreenfieldfitness.com/261 for you to kinda
explore for your eczema but those are both Jessa’s and my
recommendations and perhaps Brock has his own Canadian spin on
this. Brock, anything to add?
Well it involves milking a beaver so if anybody wants to hear about
Yeah the last time we talked about beaver milking on the podcast,
they tried to arrest us so we should probably not...
Brush that topic.
Hey Ben and Brock, this is Chrissy. I called the show about a year or
so ago and told you about my leg cramps. Actually I wrote in and I
had problems with a bubbly sensation like it felt like aliens coming
out of my legs after a hard workout. You recommended magnesium
oil which I’ve done and I tried everything from the tissue massages to
ART and anything so I went to my doctor and they did some blood
work and they found out that my vitamin d levels were low. So I took
50,000 IUs twice a week vit.d. Before I started taking this
prescription of vitamin D, I had just run the big 10k in Atlanta, the big
peach tree road race and it looks like I ran an ultra-marathon because
I was tumbling and it was awful. My legs were cramping up at the end
of the race so I decided to go to a real doctor when I got in the vitamin
d and then a week or 2 later after being on the prescription I went
into run on the orthopod and he said what’s not feeling good and I
said you know I’m doing fine, I’ve actually been doing well and it’s
really strange, I don’t know what changed and then it hit me, I’ve
been taking massive amounts of vitamin d so I mentioned that and
the doctor even looked at me like you know that’s an interesting
thought. I have been running awesome ever since I have been on this
mega doses of vitamin d. Thank you so much for everything you do
and I hope this helps. Bye.
I remember this question ‘cause I also get the crazy aliens trying to
bust through my calves after a race.
you know what those are called? Physiculations.
So you meant the aliens.
I had, I think we talked about this in the last podcast. That happened
to me after Ironman. Brock saw it.
It was like a freakin’ alien popping out in my stomach, it was really
Like the entire upper left side of my rectus abdominus went to a fullon cramp and literally looked like it was gonna pop out of my stomach
skin, it was really gross.
If it wasn’t so high up I would have been worried it was a hernia but it
was sort of in an odd spot for that.
Yes. Or an erection. Anyways though, vitamin d or vitamin d
deficiency has certainly been shown to be correlated with muscle
twitching, muscle tingling, numbness, and this physiculations and the
reason for that is because of the way that vitamin d regulates calcium
and magnesium levels and so if you’re deficient in vitamin d it can
certainly be something that can lead to cramping. It’s not quite as
much as a predisposing factor as cramping as is magnesium
deficiency or mineral deficiency but it certainly can cause nonexercise base cramping typically exercise-based cramping is due to
pushing your muscles above and beyond what they’ve experienced in
training, doing something like a race but vitamin d deficiency can
certainly cause that so yes Chrissy that could have been caused by
your vitamin d levels but now that you’re up to 50,000 international
units twice a week, I would say that you need to be aware of some
vitamin d toxicity issues.
I definitely don’t want to leave that on the table and there’s...
I would just before we continue on, I think near the end she actually
mentioned that she’s down to taking that once a week.
I missed that.
She’s still taking the 50,000 but once a week now.
Okay. 50,000 is still, like most folks I recommend right around 2000
a day like which obviously comes to like 14,000 a week. For some
folks who have vitamin d deficiencies, I’d get up to a recommendation
of 35 international units per pound of body weight like if you test your
vitamin d and your 25 hydroxy vitamin d levels are below about 40
but for a lot of people still that even comes up to like 5000 to 6000
internationl units per day which comes out to you know like 30000 –
40000 maximum per week. The issue with vitamin d if it’s not
balanced properly with vitamin a and with vitamin k2, there can be a
big big issue with arterial and soft tissue calcification meaning that
the way that vitamin d interacts with vitamin a and vitamin k2 is to
protect soft tissues from calcification. But if you’re just getting high
intake of vitamin d and you’re not getting adequate vitamin a or
vitamin k2, there can be some pretty serious issues. Chris Masterjohn
has written and researched on this extensively on kind of this holy
trilogy between vitamin a and vitamin d and vitamin k and you have
to make sure that you’re getting these in proper ratios like for
example, you take something like liver or like cod liver oil that’s got
really nice ratios of all 3 vitamins. You take vitamin d from just like a
synthetic supplement in huge amounts and you’re not getting that
same type of ratio so it’s really important that you get the right
interaction between the 3 and preferably you get the majority of
vitamin d from eating organ meats or using like a fermented cod liver
oil or even again that Super Essential stuff that I mentioned earlier,
that Super Essentials fish oil. A lot of people don’t realize that actually
has fish oil from liver in it and or fish liver oil in it that actually is
something that kinda flies under the radar but it has as far as the
amounts go, it’s got vitamin a in it and vitamin d in it, both from
purified fish liver oil. If you were taking like 4 of those capsules a day,
you’d be getting around 2000 actually it’s about 1,000 international
units of vitmin d, about 2000 of vitamin a, but you’d still be missing
out on the vitamin k2 so you’d still have to add in a vitamin k2 or eat
nato, grassfed butter, working liver every now and again that kind of
thing. Now, Chris Masterjohn, I’m gonna link to a couple of articles
that he’s written but he’s actually talked about some of the things that
can help mitigate vitamin d toxicity. For example, people who have
low levels of thyroid hormone actually are not protected against the
toxicity associated with vitamin d and they’ve actually done studies in
cows where they’ve overdosed them on like millions of international
units of vitamin d and cows that were simultaneously given vitamin a
as well as thyroxine which is the active form of vitamin d that’s the
active form of thyroid hormone, the T4 type of thyroid hormone, they
didn’t die, they didn’t get these calcified lesions in their kidneys or
their arteries whereas the cows that didn’t get thyroid or that didn’t
get vitamin a did so again, if you’re taking a bunch of vitamin d and
you’ve got thyroid issues, you’ve tested and you’ve got high TSA, low
T3, low T4, once again, you need to be working in some type of organ
meat that’s giving you thyroid hormone like eating for example like
sweet breads or you need to be working in some kind of thyroid
support and by the way, I think I mentioned this in podcast number
260, I’ve personally to kinda bring myself back from that damage that
I did combining super duper low-carb with huge or more than would
be natural amounts of training for Ironman, I’ve been using a
supplement called ThyroGold to actually get good desiccated full
glandular thyroid extract into my body just because I travel a lot and I
can’t be necessarily be eating thyroid and sweet breads on the
Although you’d like to be.
Yeah make sure your thyroid gland is good to go or you’re using a
thyroid supplement, if you’re mega dosing a vitamin d, make sure
that you’re getting adequate vitamin a, adequate vitamin k, and then I
thought you’d enjoy this one Brock. There’s also some pretty
interesting studies in mice that show that having sex protects against
vitamin d toxicity and...
Having sex with mice?
Okay. That’s why I’m interested in that. I can see why.
I have no clue why they went about doing a study this way but they
did a study with mice which they overdosed them with vitamin d but
some mice were in male-male cages and some mice were in mixed-sex
cages with females and the mice that were overdoes with vitamin d
but were also able to have sex did not experience the same type of
calcification or abnormalities that the mice that were forced to not
have sex experienced so it was unclear what the reasons for that were.
It could have potentially been the kind of like amplified effect that
sexual activity has on the thyroid gland, the pituitary gland, in terms
of amping at production and helping out with vitamin d metabolism
but yes, having sex protects against vitamin d toxicity so there’s your
fun fact for the day. You can if you don’t have access to liver or sweet
breads or things like that, best source that I know for that kind of
stuff, you just need to order it is US Wellness Meats so I’ll put a link
to them in the show notes but they’re like a really good pasteurized
organic source of these organ meats that you can just order, toss a
chest freezer out in the garage, keep your stuff out there, work it in
your diet, take some cod liver oil or use this super essential stuff,
throw in some vitamin k or some nato or some grass-fed butter and
you know, when you’re doing all that stuff that will help you out quite
a bit when it comes to fighting against a lot of those toxicity
symptoms and calcification that would occur with that amount of
vitamin d that you’re using.
Hi my name is Maria and I was interested in your TianChi product. I
am an elite athlete and I’m tested by USADA and WADA and I was
just wondering if you have information whether that product is, I
know the actual ingredients are not banned by WADA but the
supplement contamination is a big problem that I have to be
concerned about as well so I was just wondering about your ______
[1:1:12:47.5] and the safety of that from that perspective.
So Maria I have to apologize, you actually ask this question and I
think you expected a phone call back but I thought it was such an
interesting question that I wanted to put it in the podcast.
I hope she thinks to listen here.
We like to neglect people, not to respond to their phone calls and
instead just embarrass them on podcast.
Yeah, air them in public when they don’t expect it.
Yeah. Pretty easy answer here first of all, I mentioned the NSF
certification and the website nsfsport.com. Now I’m gonna look like a
hypocrite here because TianChi is not NSF certified. There’s a reason
for that. It’s an extremely small company, they don’t have a lot of
money necessarily for an NSF certification but..
They don’t even have a website. I tried looking them up.
Well it’s a Chinese herbologist down in Portland, Oregon named
Roger Drummer. He is an extremely upstanding guy who has an
incredible devotion for quality that’s why this stuff if 90 bucks for a
month’s supply but it is adaptogens and adaptogens when it comes
sports, they have been used by athletes who participate in the
Olympics like Russian athletes have been using them for years to
prepare for the Olympic games, you know adaptogens have been used
for a thousand of years in Chinese medicine. Corticeps were used by
the Chinese during all the Olympic games, the Swiss used a lot of
radiola and adaptogens are completely natural. Very few of these
supplements that have ever been accused of being laced or anything
like that were herbal adaptogenic compounds from good high quality
sources now if you’re getting the old stuff that have been sitting in
bins in China for like 5 years, you’re kind of playing with fire there but
like a good quality adaptogen, first of all, there’s no adaptogen listed
in the prohibited substances list published by the world anti-doping
association so the adaptogens themselves, you don’t need to be
concerned with. I would just be concerned with the source that you’re
getting adaptogens. I would be getting them from a very very high
quality source so the TianChi is not NSF certified per se but I will
vouch for this stuff.
It is incredibly pure and you know, it’s like, what happens is the
herbal extracts that are used in a typical adaptogen usually is a 10-1
yield meaning it takes about 10 pounds of raw herb to produces 1
pound of pure extract and the stuff that the use in TianChi is a 45-1
yield meaning that they used 45 pounds of raw herb to produce 1
pound of pure extract that’s why it’s super potent that’s why the
people taking it are never gonna stop taking this again. That’s why it’s
the most powerful smart drug I’ve ever used in my life. It’s some
pretty powerful stuff. You pay for it but it’s powerful so I’m gonna
give you another website though Maria that you can use in the future
and any of our listeners can use of they are concerned about
something being banned by the WADA and the website is called
GrobalDro.com. I’ll link to it in the show notes but it’s global d-ro.com. It stands for global drug reference online and what you can do
is a search for the UK anti-doping association, Canadian, United
States, Japan and those are the biggies and you’re able to search for
whether or not something is banned by the WADA or any of those
anti-doping associations and you can look ingredients up super
quickly on that site so that’s what I point you to if you’re looking for
like a specific supplement of ingredient that you wanna find out if you
shouldn’t be using something as globaldro.com but in the meantime, I
will vouch for TianChi. It is really really high quality stuff and you
need not be worried about cross-contamination with that one.
I thought it was so expensive because of the methamphetamine.
Yes. The methamphetamine and the liver herniation too. You gotta
pay to get your liver herniated.
Hi Ben this is Edward. I’m calling regarding an injury that have
occurred probably around 3 or 4 months ago. It’s called a sports
hernia otherwise known as athletic pubalgia. Normally surgery is
recommended as treatment for it but I found so much evidence of
conservative, you know, more conservative treatments can be
effective plus basically some combination, some physical therapy that
would lead to exercise and so I’ve had some moderate success
rehabbing myself but that’s several months just gradually increasing
intensity of some core exercises as the muscle you know, sort of
recovering at the start and I’d probably say that I’ve gained mainly
60-70% of that of that muscle function back and my core function in
general but I just like to see if I can get it as close to 100% as possible
and speed things up a little bit. I was wondering if you have any
suggestions or along those lines of if you’ve ever encountered this
injury before. I’m not sure, probably it’s not common in ______
[1:17:59.1] though I did hear a case of a long distance runner having a
sports hernia just by doing abdominal exercises. Thanks very much.
I’ve had a sports hernia.
Yes. Or as they call it, Athletic Pubalgia which is always a little bit too
close to the word pubes for me to talk about much so I just go with
sports hernia. It’s kind of a catch-all term though, you know, groin
tear, hockey groin, hockey hernia, sports hernia, gilmore’s groin is
another term that it goes by but it’s pretty much but any kind of issue
with your pubic joint down in your pelvis bones/pubic what’s it
called, your ... I’m blanking on the name now. I should know it
because you turn out with a stress fracture in it. They’re not your
wang, that’s not a bone believe it or not. That is...
Sometimes it is.
In fact it, it is...
Do we have to make this explicit now?
A gland but the pubic tubercle, basically that little bone that kinda
connects two parts of your pelvic bone, that one I had a stress fracture
in. That was also related to well for me it was a bike accident. I
essential came to almost a full split on the bike on ice and kinda
pulled that muscle a little bit, gave a stress fracture to that part of the
pubic bone and that it was technically a sports hernia. Now, I went in
to the doctor because I thought I had a full-on hernia. I couldn’t do
sit-ups, I couldn’t do crunches like any type of insertion that cause
inter-abdominal pressure including like coughing and sneezing and
all that stuff caused pain and I thought I had like a traditional like
kind of herniation of my intestines through the pelvic wall or through
the abdominal wall.
It turns out that it was just a stress fracture that a lot of times will
manifest as a sports hernia. Even sports hernia can also be a tear in
what’s called your inguinal canal and of course I don’t want you to
misconstrue this as medical advice. I’m not a physician but I simply
did not engage in any type of abdominal stressing, crunching, sit-ups,
reflex or running, for 6-8 weeks, and mine went completely away so I
just did like upper body training, I did swimming, I did bike riding
and just avoided running and it healed itself and you’d find that a lot
of times when it’s not an abdominal hernia but it’s one of this inguinal
hernias or it is a small stress fracture in your lower pelvic bone that it
will just go away in that way. So if you were going to get this repaired
surgically, there’s actually a form of surgical repair called a
laproscopic surgery that has a really quick bounce back time. You can
literally back to activity within a week or 2 and all they do is they go in
and they’re going in through these tiny little incisions, they’re not
opening you up, a really minimally invasive surgery that they do
primarily with these tiny surgical instruments that are guided by tiny
tiny telescopes attached to tiny cameras. I feel like maybe I shouldn’t
be talking about tiny sharks with lasers.
Lasers. So you can get this laproscopic surgery and they’re just using
cadaveric specimen to essentially patch up the hole if it is indeed a
hole and it’s not a stress fracture. I would make sure first of all with
an x-ray that it is indeed a stress fracture but if it is an actual hernia,
they can use what’s called a dermal tissue matrix which is this mesh
type of matrix that heals up the tissue really well and patches it up...
Definitely needs lasers.
And definitely needs lasers and then you’re off to the...
Brock’s being incredibly distracting.
Sorry, the show’s gone too long. My ADD’s kicked in.
It’s an inguinal hernia graft. Hey be easy on me man, I haven’t had a
chance to geek out on this stuff in a while.
Ultimately if you’re hernia was not related though to an acute injury
like me going on to the full splits coming off my mountain bike on ice,
then usually it’s due to a pelvic misalignment issue so I would look
into whether or not you might have a sacroiliac joint dysfunction.
What that means is that your sacroiliac joint is immobile meaning
that one side is stuck or not moving properly. You can self-adjust that.
You can use Kelley Sarret’s books Becoming a Supple Leopard. You
can use a book like that Foundation exercises book that I talked about
earlier. I have a book called Run With No Pain at runwithnopain.com,
it was designed for low-back issues for runners but it’s essentially
made to rotate your hip back into a proper position if you’ve rotated it
out of position with the combination of chronic repetitive motion
activity and a weak booty. So that would be another one to look into
but ultimately, I would make sure you don’t have a stress fracture
before you’re sure that it’s a sports hernia. If you do the surgery, opt
for the laprascopic surgey and know that a lot of times, these issues
resolve with 6-8 weeks of just like keeping up your fitness through
non-weight bearing activity, avoiding running and not going out and
doing sit-ups like Rocky so that is where I will start.
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