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  1. 1. Podcast #216 from[0:00:00.0]Introduction: In today’s podcast, 6 hidden ways that you may be lowering your metabolism and gaining fat. Also: do body wraps work for weight loss, getting rid of diastasis recti, ways to increase your VO2max, how to work your upper body without using your arms, and will hyperbaric therapy work for recovery?Brock: Hey Ben! What’s happening?Ben: I’m sitting here in my office with my guitar in my lap. Can you hear me? Can you hear my guitar?Brock: I can. It sounds glorious.Ben: Glorious! I finally get launched back into guitar lessons this week. I’ve got this guy who’s like a MMA fighter and a heavy metal guitar guy and he also does a lot of acoustic rock. Anyways, he’s teaching teenagers guitar lessons at our YMCA so I approached him about maybe letting me take guitar lessons and he said yes. As a matter of fact, we’re gonna cancel the podcast and we’re going to just start a band, Brock and I.News Flashes:Brock: All right. To get these and other interesting news flashes every week, make sure you follow Ben on Twitter and at Google + and you can find the links to Twitter and Google+ if you go to and scroll along the right hand side. Ben, what are you gonna highlight for us today?Ben: Well, there were a couple of studies that are going to basically give you a heart attack if you run next to busy roads just because you’d be worrying so much about your health. I twitted why you shouldn’t run next to busy roads and it’s not because you’ll get hit by a car. And I also had another follow up twit after that that talked about how we’re toxifying ourselves. Don’t get me wrong, I do not believe that people should live inside a bubble but the inspiration for this started with the study in the Medicine Science Sports and Exercise Journal. With the study they have in there
  2. 2. entitled The Sub-Clinical Effects of Aerobic Training in an Urban Environment and they looked at inflammation, neural inflammation and cognitive performance.Brock: Wait…neural inflammation? Is that the inflammation in the brain itself?Ben: Yeah. Exactly. You can look at your brain derive the neuropathic factor – that’s the factor that increases from aerobic exercise and helps out with your IQ. You can also look at how much nitric oxide you’re exhaling. There’s a bunch of different psychomotor and memory tests that you can do for cognitive performance. And then of course, for inflammation, you can look at leukocyte counts in the blood stream and other inflammatory markers as well.Brock: So, does that require them actually like peeking at your brain, you can look for markers in the blood and other places?Ben: No hacks are required to lift the lid of your head or something like that. What they found was that aerobic training in an urban environment with high traffic-related air pollution increased inflammatory biomarkers and also didn’t increase cognitive performance the same way that you would normally experience an increase in cognitive performance from aerobic training. The take-away message here is if you are in a busy high trafficked area, you’d actually be better off exercising indoors with the filtered room or else literally get in your car and drive somewhere where you could exercise without being exposed to that high traffic. And of course, whenever you have the option, stay away from the highway trafficked roads.Brock: So, how far away would you need to be from the highway trafficked roads like if you’re in a city like Toronto – it’s a city of 5 million people, so I can go to a park but that park is also surrounded by some pretty high traffic streets.Ben: Yeah. You’re obviously gonna get some bio remediation of pollutants just from the trees and the plants and things like that in the park but I will just say the farther the better but I don’t have a specific rule. I’ll just tell you just for your peace of mind, let’s just say 50 paces, Brock – 50 paces away from the road.[0:05:19.2]
  3. 3. There is a related study that says adult human exposure in an urban center (in this case, they did the study in France in Paris) and they were looking at exposure to what are called phthalates, which are kinda nasty chemicals that you can literally get exposed to through your digestive tract, your respiratory tract and they looked at how much of this stuff people are getting from drinking water, from food, and from ambient air. And it was found that you could actually get quite a bit of exposure just through ambient air from this stuff. Again, it’s another good reason to really really be careful if you’re exercising in urban environments to try and stay away from the streets as much as you possibly can because I know we got a lot of runners and cyclists and folks like that who listen in. Just a warning folks: be careful.Brock: The air will kill you. Don’t breathe this.Ben: Living will kill you. Got a bunch of people turning blue in the face. Actually, you know what? It’s kinda funny. I don’t even know for elps but I do this sometimes if I am running next to busy road like a big semi or a truck or something goes by or a bus, I’ll hold my breath as long as I can until the thing is off in the distance.Brock: I do the same thing when I pass a smoker.Ben: Yeah. You mean a cigarette smoker?Brock: Yeah. I do it very pointedly too like take this huge inhale and look at them.Ben: That’s funny! And then the other thing is that there was a cool study that looked into the effect that putting a ton of cinnamon in cereal has on your blood sugar levels and (this was in the Journal of Nutrition and Diet) found the effect of ground cinnamon on what’s called post prandial or after a meal. Your blood glucose concentration found a significant enhancement in insulin sensitivity, a significant reduction in blood glucose concentration. The injection of cinnamon was about 6 grams and that was done along with 50 grams of cereal – just plain cereal. I’m a huge fan of whenever I have a meal with which cinnamon would actually taste good. I’m not putting on a pad thai or anything like that but any meal that’s got carbohydrate in it, on which cinnamon would taste good which is typically gonna be like if you gotta have some
  4. 4. breakfast cereal or you an oatmeal or something like that or morning kinwa or something of that nature, cinnamon is really gonna mitigate the effects of blood sugar. This was a cool study that reinforced that concept.Brock: Very cool. So you said, how many grams or 5 grams?Ben: 6 grams.Brock: 6 grams. That’s a lot!Ben: I think that comes about a couple of teaspoons.Brock: Oh really? Okay.Ben: Yeah. It’s not a ton. Now, you don’t have to put a cinnamon shaker in your mouth or anything like that.Brock: Oh…don’t even try that. That’s the worst.Ben: Yeah. I think that’s a party game, isn’t it?Brock: Yeah. The cinnamon challenge.Ben: See how much cinnamon you can ingest.Special Announcements:Brock: All right. I guess let’s start off with talking about The Become Superhuman Live event that you’re hosting in Spokane in March.Ben: Coming together fantastically. By the way, if I get excited and spit, you’re not even gonna be able to hear it because I’ve got one of these spit filters on my microphone.Brock: That’s so good ‘cause I spend most of the time just editing out your spitting.Ben: I know. Sometimes I get excited and I spit. Anyways, The Become Superhuman Live Conference in Spokane, Washington, this thing is gonna be epic. The speakers that I’ve got on board so far, I’m super excited about, I’ll be revealing all them here in the next month. But in the meantime, this is not just for the people who live in Spokane Coeur D’Alene area. There are people coming in from all over the globe for this thing. It’s filling up fast and it literally is a 2-day conference that really geeks out on health,
  5. 5. fitness, nutrition, we’re doing private parties for podcast listeners, bunch of stuff and I think we even played commercial during the podcast so I’m going for too long. But one quick thing: if you register by December 1, there’s a couple of things that you get thrown in to the half for. One is a private one on one hour-long consult with me here during the conference when you show up. And then, the other thing that we are gonna entry into the prize for is a free ticket to either refund your ticket or you can use that free ticket to bring somebody else along with you. But you gotta register by December 1st, 2012, if you wanna get entered into the prize drawn for either of those. We’ll be sure to put a link in the show notes.[0:10:16.3]Brock: Yeah. You’ve got 3 weeks people.Ben: There we go.Brock: All right and I guess we should also mention that if you love podcast, you’ll probably love audio books and the best way to get an audio book and especially for free, is to go to and when you sign up, you’ll get one free audio book if you’re a new member. It’s pretty good deal.Ben: I love audio books. I’ve been listening to something called The Philosopher’s Note. I’m not sure if you can get that on Audible but it’s a synopsis of a bunch of different philosophy books. It’s fantastic. I think I don’t even know the aural philosophy notes or something like that. Brock, any books of that you’d recommend?Brock: Absolutely! One book that is on there by a guy named Michael Pollan. He’s written a bunch of books…Ben: And we say Pollan here in the United States of America.Brock: Okay. I will try to adopt your crazy accent. The book is called In Defense of Food (or Fod for you Americans). It’s an awesome book. It actually has the 7 words that you need to remember when choosing your food which is “eat food not too much mostly plants”. If you follow those 7 words, apparently, you will eat correctly ‘cause as Michael Pollan says in the book that we’ve completely forgotten how to eat over the last well, close to
  6. 6. century, I guess. It’s really an interesting book so I suggest getting that one.Ben: I love it! Except that I would actually modify that. I would say “eat food not too much, mostly animals that have eaten plants.” I guess that’s more like 12 words. That’s more my style. Anyways, though, check it out at and then also, finally, If you listened to last week’s podcast at Ben Greenfield Fitness, I interviewed Chris McCormack. He has some awesome workouts. I’ve got them all downloaded. It’s PDFs to my computer. I’ve been doing one a week. They’re funky workouts like the accordion and the lung buster…Brock: I like the rolly polly.Ben: The rolly polly workout…ton of sweet workouts that are pretty easily implemented into a pretty existing training program, so if you’re triathlete, endurance athlete or you just want some new workouts that are gonna burn a lot of fat, a lot of calories, boost your metabolism, give you a good injection of fitness, check out and we’ll put a link to that in the show notes.Brock: Absolutely mate! Wanna get personal access to all of Ben Greenfield’s secrets life? This March in Spokane, Washington. Ben is bringing the world’s best speakers straight to you. You’re gonna get step by step blueprints for performance, fat loss, recovery, digestion, brain, sleep, and hormone optimization and get inside or access to private parties special sessions for podcast listeners only. And of course, delicious locally grown organic meals. The conference is called Become Super Human and it’s already filling up fast. But you can get in now at You’ll come away from this live 2 day event completely set for life to achieve everything you want for your body, mind and performance. Whether you want to maximize fat loss, achieve an ironman triathlon, or push your body and mind to the absolutely limits of human performance. So visit and we’ll see live you live and in person March 8th and 9th, 2013.Listener Q & A:
  7. 7. Fred: Hey Ben! This is Fred. I have a question for you guys. They’ve said a lot about wraps, so probably people selling these things are promoting them in regards to helping you lose weight. Just wanna know what your take is on this. I’m not a believer in it. I think hard work and exercise is the way and the key is in that it’s too good to be true than it usually is. Just wanna know what your thoughts are on it. Thanks Ben.Ben: Well, Fred (for those of you who may not have understood what Fred said, he said “wrap”) yes, indeed body wraps are something that are promoted as a way to help you detox and slim down or even get rid of cellulites.[0:15:18.7]Brock: Wait. You’re not talking about burrito wraps.Ben: I’m not talking about eating burritos or stopping by your local taco truck, unfortunately. You’re using cayenne and pepper though, you might lose little weight with those two. I’ve done body wrap. I did a fall on like couple’s body wrap with my wife over in Jamaica one time.Brock: Did they wrap you to each other?Ben: No. It wasn’t kinky like that. We just happened to be in the same room getting wrapped. Your skin really feels super smooth and they’ll use all sorts of different herbal treatments and mud and stuff like that when they do these wraps. But another thing that these wraps actually promise is that they are going to (in addition to give you smooth skin) detox you by using seaweed or mud that pulls toxins from your skin and also somehow slim you because you’re getting a lot of these strips of material wraps tightly around you and finally, reduce cellulites by using herbal remedies on your skin. What’s probably going to happen or really what will happen for a few days after you get one of these wraps is your skin is going to appear more firm, it’s gonna be more toned, it’s gonna be more hydrated. There are certainly a wide range of vitamins and herbs that can help to improve the quality of your skin and even a little bit of the elasticity and the collagen-like structure of your skin because your skin is a connective tissue. However, as far as direct
  8. 8. removal of adipose tissue or direct removal of, for example, cellulite, body wraps are not necessarily going to cause significant weight loss. The best way to use these would be for example, if you’ve got like lose skin that you wanna get rid of after a lot of weight that you’ve gained or you’ve got some cellulite issues, you are exercising, you’re perhaps even doing some of the things that I recommended over on the 2-part cellulite series I wrote at such as lifting weights and avoiding wearing super super tight garments like tight panty hose and stuff like that during the day. These may help a little bit with removal of some of the appearance of the cellulite as well but this isn’t a quick fix for fat loss. It’s just one of those things where you improve the tone of your skin, yeah, you may affect the way that you look a little bit.Brock: So Fred’s right when he says hard work exercise and good diet are the way to go.Ben: That’s right but throwing in body wrap if you also wanna smell like eucalyptus and chocolate or seaweed or whatever else.Brock: Yum.Jolene: Hi Ben! I have a question about abdominus rectus muscles. I have a torn one from two pregnancies and I have quite a large diastasis still – it’s about four fingers wide and I’m just wondering whether something like that can be healed on ______[0:18:25.4] whether you can train it back into the position so that gap, heals up or whether it has to be treated surgically. My main concern is that I’m having trouble training my core properly and as a result I’m having occurrences of back problems and hip and knee and on and on. Issues with it, so I’m just wondering if there are some exercises that might help to heal that problem. Thank you.Ben: So, diastasis recti – that’s basically this condition where your abdominal walls start to separate and when they do that, everybody’s got this little ridge that runs along the length of the abdomen from the top to the bottom along that muscle in the middle of the abs called your rectus abdominus.
  9. 9. Brock: So when you rub your fingers down the middle of your like from your sternum down to your belly button, you can sort of feel it in there. Is that what we’re talking about?Ben: Yup! Everybody grab your 6 pack or your 8 pack, feel that… Anyways, everybody’s got that – that ridge but what happens is it can get stretched quite a bit during the prolonged period of pregnancy and also during birth, depending on the degree of the stretching and also the relative trained state of the abdominal muscles during pregnancy, you can get to the point where that stretching of that connective tissue gets the point where really creates an actual structural abnormality and you can risk, for example, like an abdominal wall herniation if it gets stretched too far.[0:20:02.3} Now, whether or not you actually need surgery for something like that is something that you would need to talk to your physician about because it really really depends. There are certainly therapies that you can do. Probably the most popular is one called the Tupler Technique that you can do to attempt to try and strengthen the abdominal muscles to where the separation is eliminated a little bit by strengthening of the connective tissue. But there is no hard and fast recommendation for example, for the amount of centimeters or the number of fingers that you can put in between the ridge to measure its length that would indicate whether or not surgery was required. In most cases, however, surgery is not necessary for diastasis recti and it’s very very common in women who have gone through childbirth. Now, there are things that you can do after pregnancy and also while you’re pregnant leading up to birth to eliminate the chances of diastasis recti being pretty significant or at least to help, again, with that strengthening of connective tissue to help it to give a closure together after you’ve given birth. One really important thing to remember is that a lot of times, diastasis recti is blamed on a low tone of abdominal musculature. And while that’s true, there are two other components that you really need to focus on if you want to really take care of this issue. One is the strength of your diaphragm and one is the strength of your muscles on your pelvic floor. In many many women, they’ll do things like work their core and do abdominal exercises but not train the lower pelvic floor and
  10. 10. not train the diaphragm properly. The idea behind straining those lateral two type of muscles is deep breathing exercises and also a lot of the Kegel type of exercises, sitting on the floor, pressing your low back into the ground, squeezing the muscles – the same muscles you’d squeeze if you wanna stop urine flow, that type of thing.Brock: Somewhere like a contracting hold sort of thing rather than lifting weights or doing crunches or something?Ben: Yeah. And that’s why I mentioned this Tupler Technique because what it does is it kinda trains you how to use the muscles around your midsection like a corsette. It focuses on abdominal exercises that train the entire corsette and it’s designed for moms who’ve just had a child and they wanna tighten that say in the stomach area or women who are just preparing for childbirth and want to make sure that their abdominals are strong. For example, one exercise would be kind a like a planking type of exercise where you put your forearms on the floor with your elbows underneath your shoulders. You interlock your fingers together, you put your toes on the floor with your feet about shoulder-width apart and then you just straighten your back and you pull your stomach inward the same as you would do during like a front plank exercise and it would just be like a hold for 30-60 seconds while also training your diaphragm and doing deep breathing from the stomach while you’re in a front plank position. And then right after you do that, you can turn over, you can lie flat on your back with your knees bent at about a 45-degree angle, same as that’d be if you’re gonna do a crunch, you can lay your hands on top of each other over your lower stomach so that you’re basically kinda like holding on to your navel. And then you flex your ab muscles to try and get your hands to move towards the floor so you’re pressing you low back down into the ground and then you’re holding that for as long as possible – for 30 seconds to 1 minute. And then you can literally get back over going to the plank position and do that again. That method, going back and forth from the front plank to the low back pushing down into the ground can actually help with strengthening the connective tissue and in pulling the stomach muscles a little bit closer together. That’s another one you can do as well. There is an article that I wrote at that has…I think
  11. 11. it’s like 15 different exercises that you can do. We’ll put it in the show notes to this episode. What episode number is this, Brock?Brock: 216.Ben: Yeah. So Episode 216. I’ll put a link to this article but it’s basically ab exercises that you can do while you’re pregnant that don’t put you into like a recumbent position that would clot blood flow to the baby and also would be considered exercises that actually do really strength from the abs compared to crunches or sit-ups. I’ll put a link to that in the show notes.[0:25:08.4] I also had a really good interview with Cassandra Forsythe and we talked a lot about strength training during pregnancy. We’ll put a link to that in the show notes as well. But those would be two other good resources for you in addition to these two exercises you can do for diastasis recti.Brock: Is there anything that she should be avoiding in the meantime while she has this separation? Would running be contra-indicated or swimming or lifting weights or anything like that?Ben: Any impact-based exercise that basically has you breathing hard and doing impact at the same time, I would be really careful with so yeah, that will include running and then the other thing I’ll be careful with would be weight lifting that causes you to do what’s called this valsalva maneuver or holding your breath as you’re pushing against the force like a squat or a dead lift or something of that nature. The same type of exercises you’d wanna be really careful with if you, for example, had a hernia. So I would really focus on, for example, that Tupler Technique that I mentioned prior to starting into some of those other type of movements.Brock: Also get that taken care of first and then move to the traditional stuff. Cool!Ben: Get your tummy strong like bull.
  12. 12. Rick: Hello Ben! This is Rick from Ohio. I enjoyed your podcast. You and Brock do a great job. My question today is from my girlfriend. She likes to drop about 15 lbs but she has hypothyroidism and takes synthroid about 88 mg per dose. She’s in her early 50’s and a Crossfit girl. She’s at the box at least 3x a week. She really struggles to drop the weight. So my question is this: Besides managing her caloric intake, is there anything else she could be doing to increase her metabolism? Do you think she has a larger challenge because of her thyroid problem? Looking forward to your thoughts. Thanks a lot.Ben: Well, this is an interesting issue because hypothyroidism, it can be so complicated and of course we should put in our traditional disclaimer. We may wanna just play that in fast motion right here, Brock.Brock: Got it.Ben: All right. Cool. Brock’s on it.Brock: Ben is not a doctor and the content provided on this podcast is for informational purpose only and should not be construed as medical or health care advice.Ben: We’ve interviewed Dr. Fit - Dr. Roby Mitchell on this podcast before about how to manage a low thyroid and that would be a good episode for you to listen to. There’s also a really really good book out there called Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms When My Lab Tests are Normal? That book was out of print for a while but it’s back in print now and I’ll be sure and put a link to it in the show notes. But the thing to understand about thyroid is that there are many environmental triggers that can act on your thyroid gland and affect your thyroid activity that your girlfriend should know about because all of these, by affecting thyroid activity can of course, affect metabolism because your thyroid is one of the master regulators of your metabolic rate or your calorie burn.Brock: Actually Ben, it’s been a good time to clarify or I wanna ask so she’s got hypothyroid? Now that’s not having enough thyroid or your thyroid’s not producing enough of the…
  13. 13. Ben: Your thyroid isn’t either producing enough of the T3 or the T3 isn’t getting converted into T4 properly in the liver or in the gut or perhaps the thyroid stimulating hormone is not being produced in adequate quantities or you may have thyroid antibodies circulating in your blood stream. There are variety of reasons that hypothyroidism may occur and that’s something I’ll get into here because I would say that there are basically 6 main things that you should be aware of that are gonna affect your thyroid, that I think everybody should be aware of. The first would be the hypothyroidism in most cases is what would be called an auto immune disease. What that means is that there are certain components in your diet, in your blood stream, etc. that can cause your body to mount an inflammatory attack against your thyroid tissue. And one of the main components that can cause this auto immune attack is gliadin. Gliadin is the protein portion of gluten which you find in wheat and gliadin really closely resembles thyroid gland tissue so if you are eating a lot of wheat and this gliadin breeches the protective barrier of your gut and enters your blood stream which is very easy for that to happen, your immune system will tag gliadin for destruction and it will create this antibodies that bind to gliadin but these same antibodies can also cause your body to attack thyroid tissue.[0:30:25.3] That means that if you have any type of propensity for this type of auto immune reaction, a lot of people do, and you eat foods that contain gluten, your immune system can attack your thyroid and this is not one of those cases where you’re just like “oh I try to avoid bread, never once in a while I have it.” The immune response to gluten in this case in this attacking your own thyroid tissue case can last up to 6 months each time that you eat gluten. That’s why for anybody who has hypothyroidism or anybody who even has done lots of tests that suggest that that may be the case, you gotta be 100% gluten-free. You need to eliminate it completely from your diet. Probably really the best test I would say to find out whether or not you’re gluten-intolerant or whether or not you tend to produce this type of auto immune antibodies would be a test from Cyrex Laboratories. They do a really good one and so I would speak with your physician about using that method to test for gluten intolerance. That would be one thing is get gluten out of the
  14. 14. diet because that can have an effect on your metabolism by attacking thyroid tissue basically. That would be the first thing to take care of. I would also consider vitamin D because vitamin D is specifically associated with the same type of auto immunity and hypothyroidism and intake of vitamin D or higher levels of vitamin D has been shown to benefit the same kind of thyroid dysfunction. Vitamin D does a lot of cool stuff – it can regulate your insulin secretion, it can balance your blood sugar, but it can also help out in people who have low thyroid function. The problem is that in many cases, people who have low thyroid function also have a leaky and inflamed gastrointestinal tract. So, a lot of times, absorption of vitamin D can be reduced because of that. The other issue is a lot of times, people who have hypothyroidism also have issue with the levels of vitamin A and the levels of vitamin K2 in their bodies and both of those need to be present in adequate quantities in order for you to properly use vitamin D. So, a vitamin D deficiency is another thing that can really precipitate or worsen the hypothyroidism. And getting just vitamin D from a supplement source like going out and getting vitamin D capsules, isn’t enough. You need to make sure that you get vitamin A and vitamin K2 as well. And that’s why I’m a big fan of something like cod liver oil in this case because that’s gonna give you a really really good source of vitamin A. And then also working something like grass-fed butter, for example, that’s a good source of vitamin K2 like a good organic grass-fed butter. Nato which is the Japanese fermented food – that’s a really good source as well but it’s harder to get.Brock: It’s kinda hard to eat too.Ben: Yeah. I actually really like it. I had a ton of it when I was off in Japan. Lot of people think it’s like tastes like beans covered in snot.Brock: I was gonna say slime but snot works.Ben: I like beans and I like snots so there you go. Kiefer is also a pretty decent source of vitamin K2 if you can get your hands on some kiefer. And even egg yolks (whole egg yolks) are pretty good source as well. So, get cod liver oil, egg yolks, grass-fed butter,
  15. 15. nato (if you can get your hands on it) and then try and include for that vitamin A, some cod liver oil in your diet in addition to supplementing with vitamin D. That would be another thing to really focus on in this case. The third thing that I would take into consideration, I mentioned your gut and how there’s a real real link between your gut and your thyroid and one of the issues here is that in many cases when you’ve got increased inflammation in your gut, issues with infection in your gut, a lot of times, that’s precipitated by low stomach acid and many many people do have low stomach acid and that’s something also that you can look into if you’re dealing with hypothyroid or you wanna make sure that you’re healing this gut thyroid access is to look into utilizing some type of like an axia with pepsin type of supplement or at least if you’re getting heart burn, consider doing that. So, if you have a lot of gut issues, a lot of digestive issues and you also have hypothyroidism, I’ll really take care of the gut.[0:35:24.3] Hypochloridia or low stomach acid is not the only thing that you can do. We’ve really geeked out on the show before about ways that you can heal your gut. I’ve got an entire recommendations page over at that goes into a bunch of other supplements that I recommend for healing your gut. But understand that a lot of T3 to T4 conversion takes place in the liver. You get a ton of thyroid activity that occurs in your gut and so you really wanna take care of your intestinal bacteria, you wanna take care of your intestinal lining. And inflammation in your gut can really reduce specifically T3 levels by raising cortisol and about 20% of T4 is converted to T3 in the gastrointestinal tract so that’s another area or another thing that can be decreased when you’ve got inflammation in your gut so taking care of your gut, making sure that you have adequate stomach acid and also looking into some of the other gut healing protocols that we’ll make sure to link to in the show notes would also be something you can do. Another thing to think about is your blood sugar and there’s a real real link between thyroid and blood sugar because if your blood sugar is constantly high, what happens is your pancreas is always
  16. 16. secreting all these insulin to move the excess glucose from yourblood into your cells where the glucose can be used to produceenergy. But studies have shown that when you get repeated insulinsurges, that increases the destruction of the thyroid glandespecially in people who have auto immune thyroid disease. Soyou gotta be careful with high blood sugar levels and higheramounts of carbohydrates not physical activity (that type of thing)but on the same type of level, you also have to be careful withchronically low blood sugar levels. And this is especially the casefor people who are going on low carbohydrate or ketogenic diet.You need to be careful because when your blood sugar levels areconstantly dropping below normal, your adrenal glands willrespond to that by secreting cortisol and as I mentioned earlier,high high amounts of cortisol can affect the proper activity ofthyroid hormones. The reason I’ve to get back it’s produced whenyou have blood sugars, it tells your liver to produce more glucosethat causes what’s called glycogenolysis in your liver to bring yourblood sugar levels back to normal. But too much cortisol givesyour body that fights or flight response, it causes a lot of stress andthat can suppress pituitary function so your thyroid can’t functionproperly and it can also affect inflammation in your gut. So, that’sanother thing to take care of – making sure that you’re regulatingyour blood sugar levels properly.And very very similarly or down the same line is that the fifth thingto bear in mind is your stress and your sleep levels because notonly can a lot of stress and really stress at your adrenal glandscausing them to produce a lot of, for example, cortisol, that cancause depression of your pituitary function as I just mentionedwhich directly affects your thyroid hormone production. The otherthing that can happen though is that can reduce conversion of T4to its active form of T3, it can promote auto immunity byweakening your immune barriers, meaning that you’re gonna bemore likely to produce a lot of this auto immune destruction ofthyroid tissue, it can cause resistance to thyroid hormone becausewhen you’re stressed out, your body produces a lot ofinflammation and these inflammatory called cytokins have beenshown in studies to suppress the actual receptor site on your cellsto thyroid hormone. So, that’s another issue. The last issue withadrenal stress or being constantly stressed out or not gettingenough sleep or having these high levels of inflammatory cytokins
  17. 17. from being stressed out or not getting enough sleep is that that can cause hormonal imbalances. And specifically, when you have a lot of cortisol circulating in your blood stream, that decreases your liver’s ability to properly clear estrogens from your blood and when you have a lot of estrogen rolling around, that increases levels of something called thyroid binding globulin and those are the proteins that attach to thyroid and cause it to be in its inactive form in the blood stream. So, if you’re constantly stressed out, if you’re not getting enough sleep, that’s another issue that can really really aggravate the low metabolism that can be caused by low thyroid activity or aggravate auto immune attack of thyroid tissue.[0:40:15.1] And I know I’m going on and on here on this question but there’s one other thing I wanted to mention and that would be inflammation. Excess exercise, not recovering properly like I mentioned earlier - stress and lack of sleep – all of that can increase inflammation. And there are a few different things that inflammation can do. There’s one study that showed that one injection of inflammatory molecules, basically inflammatory cytokins, was able to reduce your blood levels of thyroid stimulating hormone, your T3 your free T4, your free T3 for five days and inflammation completely disrupted the production and regulatory mechanism of thyroid hormone. The other thing is that inflammation, as I just mentioned, can decrease the number and the sensitivity of your thyroid hormone receptors and then the last thing that it can do is it can decrease the conversion of T4 to T3. In most synthetic hormone medications are T4 like synthroid that she is on. If you give synthroid to somebody who’s got a bunch of inflammation, it’s not gonna work because the body just can’t even convert T4 to T3 when it’s in an inflamed state and the patients who don’t really do a good job converting T4 to T3 actually do a lot better on bio identical thyroid hormone anyways like armor thyroid, for example. I’m not a huge fan of synthroid anyways just because it’s got cornstarch in it, it’s got lactose as a filler. Cytomel which is another kind of popular synthetic T3 hormone has modified food starch in it which has gluten, ironically as a filler. I’m a bigger fan of bio identical hormone replacements using a compounding pharmacist or else using something similar to like an armor thyroid. A lot of stuff to bear in mind but the main
  18. 18. things to wrap this up would be get gluten out of the diet, get on vitamin D and make sure you get vitamin A and vitamin K2 along with it, take care of your gut, look into stomach acid and also look into some of the other recommendations that we’ll put on the link in the show notes to healing your gut. Monitor your blood sugar, make sure it’s not too high or too low, eliminate stress and get adequate sleep and then just make sure you’re not overworking your body, creating too much inflammation, not recovering properly.Brock: And I guess she should be able to…Rick doesn’t say how long she’s been on the synthroid but if she hasn’t noticed any improvement since she started taking it, then maybe that would be a good indication whether to continue to take it or maybe switch to one of the different sources like you were saying.Ben: Yeah. That’s something she’d wanna talk to her doctor about but there are definitely some cases where synthroid really isn’t gonna work. Again, if you’re not properly converting the T4 to T3 since synthroid is just synthetic T4, it’s not gonna do anything for you. There are other things that can interfere with the actions of T3 too, for example, if you’ve got estrogen dominance which is really common when you’re hypothyroid, high levels of estrogen like I mentioned those increase the levels of thyroid-binding globulin and that would make it so that synthroid doesn’t really work. And then of course, you could be sensitive to the fillers in synthroid so you’d be aggravating an auto immune condition in that case. We’re getting into stuff that you’d really have to talk to your doctor about. I’d recommend you look into armor thyroid. Dr. Roby Mitchell and I geeked out on this a little bit in my discussion with him so I’ll link to that in the show notes. I’m definitely not convinced that synthroid is the best solution for people with hypothyroid.Bill: Hi Ben! This is Bill from Nevada. I need some help on getting my endurance back. Last spring, I was in my best Ironman shape when I had a bike crash and did some serious damage to my shoulder. After surgery, I spent 4 months on the sofa watching TV. Then, it hurts so much I could not even lean on a standby or tolerate a jog. Now, I’ve been back to training for a month and half but my endurance is gone. After 45 minutes to an hour on my 6-
  19. 19. mile bread-and-butter run, I am gassed, completely out of breath, and about 5 minutes slower than before. Interestingly, my heart rate is staying down between LT and AT for the entire run. Before the crash, I had a respirator treadmill test I was told I was in the 99 percentile of VO2 max for my age group. I’ve finished 6 long course tries with the help of your excellent Dominator Program, each one a little faster than the last. Sleep, temperature and nutrition are all the same. And as you remember from the 2 Phuket races we’ve done together, I’m not lacking in heart and desire. Any suggestions on how I can get my mojo back? Also, what body fat percentage do you like to have during taper week before an Ironman or half Ironman? Thanks for the help and the podcast.[0:45:39.3]Brock: So, I guess if anybody has any questions about any TV shows over the last 4 months, I guess Bill is the one to talk to if that’s what he’s been doing.Ben: Hi Bill! By the way, if you’re listening in, Bill has gone to the Thailand trip the past couple of years. I’m assuming he’s not going this year ‘cause he hasn’t let me know if he is. But yeah, Bill and I had fun going out on the beaches in Thailand quite a bit. Anyways and by the way, big shout out to Bill because he actually…and I don’t wanna scare you, Brock or anybody else who’s doing that race in Thailand but Bill broke his neck when we were in Thailand in the first race that we did and stuck around and did the second race and didn’t even realize that he broke his neck until he got all the way back to the states. But he’s one tough cookie and apparently, accident prone. First of all, Bill used a couple of phrases though that if you’re not familiar with them, he mentioned his LT and his AT and how he’s going out on his runs and he’s at his LT and his AT. Your LT is your lactate threshold and your AT is your aerobic threshold. Lactate threshold is the point at which you start to produce more lactic acid during exercise than your body can actually get rid of. And your aerobic threshold is your peak fat burning zone. It’s the point at which your body is using maximum fat for energy. It’s a very very efficient intensity for exercise at which you could go for a long long period of time. You can measure LT and AT with a laboratory test or just like a self test
  20. 20. to way that you should go as you exercise your maximum sustainable pace and that maximum sustainable pace, whatever heart rate you’re at during that maximum sustainable pace that your LT and then your AT is typically about 20 beats below that. Now, when you’re de-trained or you have a loss in fitness, a lot of times, you can still buffer lactic acid pretty well and a lot of times, your lactic threshold may not change too much. They’d actually done studies (there’s an interesting study where they looked at the effects of de-training) on responses to sub-maximal exercise. Mr. Zeus’ study that was actually done way back in the 80’s, what they found was that your mitochondrial enzyme activity levels and also what’s called your lactate dehydrogenase which are 2 of the ways that your body buffers lactic acid, those can actually stay fairly high for as long as 4 months after you stopped training. The thing that does decrease though pretty significantly and fairly quickly after even just 72 hours of de-training is your VO2 max. So, what Bill is experiencing here is more than likely, a fairly significant drop in his VO2 max and he mentioned that he began at the 99th percentile VO2 max for his age group. One thing to remember is that that percentile (if you’re to go get a VO2 max test and they tell you, “hey, you’re doing great, you’re an 80th or 90th or whatever) most fairly active individuals (the type of people who listen to this show or triathletes or marathoners or whatever), they’re all in the 90 – 100 percentile. It’s just like we are so far and above the average population. No offense to Bill. It doesn’t take a lot to be in the 99th percentile but understand that if your doctor tells you that or if you go and test that you’re in that percentile, that doesn’t necessarily mean you’ve got what it takes to be a super athlete. It just means that you’re kinda kicking the butt of the general population. Anyways though, now that I’ve completely insulted Bill, there are ways that you can increase your VO2 max. And that’s what I would be focusing on hard core if I were Bill would be increasing VO2 max. So, let’s talk about some of my favorite ways to increase VO2 max, shall we?Brock: Yes, please.Ben: All right. Cool. First of all, studies have shown that aerobic high intensity intervals improve your VO2 max more than moderate training.[0:50:02.2]
  21. 21. Studies state training going at long slow distance for 30 minutes or60 minutes at 60% or 70% does not hold a candle to intervals. Andone study that they did compared long slow distance at 70% vs.doing 15 seconds on 15 seconds off with the 15 seconds being reallyreally hard and the 15 seconds off being really easy and then also 4minutes hard and 4 minutes easy found that the best type of effortof all those different efforts I just mentioned for increasing VO2max, number one was 4 minutes on, 4 minutes off, such 4 minutesreally really hard followed by 4 minutes of active rest like joggingor whatever. Second best was a shorter effort like 15 seconds on 15seconds off. And the least effective method (no surprise here) toincrease your VO2 max would be just like steady stay training.So, use intervals and preferably use longer intervals. I’d like to seethe intervals be longer than 2 minutes to increase VO2 max.Nothing is gonna hold the candle to training like that but there areother things that you can do, for example, deep diaphragmaticbreathing - big big part of your VO2max is how much oxygen youcan actually get into your lungs. That’s a significant component ofyour VO2 max. So, I would be doing some breathing techniqueand some breathing exercises – I love yoga for that. That’s really,in my opinion, one of the best ways to teach yourself to breatheproperly is to just do a weekly yoga class. You can also use (andwe’ve talked about these in the show before) those power lungtrainers like if you’re driving in your car and you tend to be intraffic a lot, you just keep one of those in your car. And thosetrainers that literally provide resistance when you breathe in andout and strengthen your inspiratory and expiratory muscles. So,focus on your breathing – deep diaphragmatic breathing and thestrength of your inspiratory and expiratory muscles. A fewsupplements that you could look into – one would be Cordyceps.There is one cool double blind placebo-controlled study where theytook a Cordyceps herbal extract and it significantly improved themaximum amount of oxygen that folks were able to assimilate.Now, the caveat to this is that this study was done in olderindividuals (I believe they were 70+ year-old men) but otherstudies have shown that Cordyceps also increases your cellularoxygen absorption by up to 40% and can improve your heartfunctioning. It’s something that’s been used in Chinese herbalmedicine for thousands of years. There’s a lot of endurancesupplements on the market right now that include Cordyceps in
  22. 22. their formula. A lot of them throw rhodiola in there as well because it falls into that same family of herbs that are purported to improve your VO2 max. One supplement that I personally really like made by Millenium Sports (we’ll link to it in the show notes and also in the MyList for this episode over at the facebook page) is Cordygen VO2 by Millenium Sports. That’s a really good one. It’s one that I’ve used in the past prior to sprint and Olympic distance triathlons where you’re working really hard. A couple of other supplements that can really help with stroke volume or cardiac output which can also have a nice effect on VO2 max would be Fish Oil. That’s another one that you’d wanna look into if you’re vegan, a little bit of that with flax oil (not quite as good) but I would definitely include fish oil in the diet. And then you also may wanna look into a supplement for helping your red blood cells to carry oxygen. You’d wanna be careful with just a straight up iron supplement because toxicity with those can be kinda significant if you’re not careful but ferritin which is a crucial iron-storing protein – that tends to be deficient in a lot of folks and there’s a good supplement called Floradix out there that I really like for increasing levels of ferritin for getting your iron-storing protein. A couple other things to think about that would be altitude training or altitude tents. If you got access to those, those actually can increase your number of red blood cells. It also makes the red blood cells more efficient at unloading oxygen to your tissues so, that would be another thing to look into would be, if you got access to altitude tents or even just going every once in a while and training in a high area, that can help out with your VO2 max. And then, last thing would just be blood doping. You could call up your friendly neighborhood illegal performance enhancing pharmacy and get your hands on some erythropoietin or some epo to get yourselves some new red blood cells growing or you could just like donate your blood and freeze it and then concentrate the red blood cells with the centrifuge and inject them back into your body.Brock: That’s a great idea. Why don’t people do that? That’s fantastic!Ben: I have no clue why people don’t do that more. Anyways, that would be an idea as well though. Be careful there. Probably people are gonna shout at us. I’m kidding.[0:55:13.1]
  23. 23. Brock: Yeah. We’re joking.Ben: Yeah. The only thing I’m joking about was that last thing. All the other stuff actually works pretty good.Brock: Well then, the last thing works pretty well too. Just google Lance Armstrong and you’ll know why we’re joking.Ben: Yeah. There was a cool study that showed use of an echinacea supplement at about (if you get your hands on echinacea tincture which is like the oil extract of echinacea) 1.5 ml of that per day can actually boost your erythropoietin pretty significantly too.Brock: You’re gonna try that out, weren’t you?Ben: I did. I went through a whole bunch of it and I didn’t notice anything at all but I wasn’t measuring my EPO levels. I wasn’t actually going to the lab measuring them. I did notice though, I really like the way it made me feel. It’s just kinda interesting. It almost gave me a little bit of almost like a brain buzz after I’d used the stuff. I ran out a couple of weeks ago but I haven’t noticed a drop in my performance so, there you go. But the studies show …maybe my EPO’s already tapped out, who knows-from all that blood doping I do).Brock: Now, Bill, did you have that final little sort of afterthought question about the percentage of the body fat that you would look for during taper week? Do you have any thoughts for that?Ben: I’ve no clue. I’m so bad at measuring my body fat. I’ll tell you what I do. I pinch a little bit of fat that’s right above your hipbone kind of in between your belly button and your hipbone. If I pinch that and I can only get a little bit, I know I’m doing a good job and I’m ready to race. And if I can pinch and I get a whole bunch of fat, then I know that I’m quite doing a good job. That sounds silly but that’s literally all I do.Brock: I’m pinching like crazy right now.
  24. 24. Ben: I can tell you when I was body building, I was at 2.5-3% body fat and felt like crap for anything aerobic or anything high intensity and from the few times that I’ve measured myself during the year, I think I’m around 7-8% body fat now and I feel way way better so, there you go. Less is not better.Brock: There you go. Okay, let’s move on to a question from Kayla and I actually have to do some reading. How exciting! Kayla says, “I am 5’3” and 116 lb female who has been going to the gym for the past 6 months attempting to gain muscle. I’ve made good progress so far. However, I recently started experiencing pain in both of my forearms. I saw my doctor who diagnosed me with forearm shin splints (How does like that sink in – forearm shin splints?) and have been taking …Ben: When you say forearm, you mean f-o-r-e arm.Brock: Yes. She has that forearms coming out of her shins so,Ben: That’d be more of like a churn elbow radiation issue.Brock: Yeah.Ben: Okay. All right.Brock: So, she says she’s been taking the naproxen and resting her arms. “I’ve been instructed to not lift weights for a minimum of 2 weeks, probably more, depending on how my arms heal.” She says, “I’m worried about losing all the muscle I’ve worked so hard for. Without the use of my forearms, I can’t seem to work my bi’s tri’s, shoulders and back. Do you have any suggestions for keeping my upper body in shape and of course, healing faster?”Ben: Bomber. Yeah, forearm shin splints are actually...if you look at a typical skeleton, you’ve got your shin splints that you can get down in your tibia and fibula which is basically inflammation of that. That’s syndesmosis – it’s called between your tibia and your fibula but I mean you’ve got your own and your radius up in your upper arm and those 2 bones similarly have some connective tissue in between them that can get inflamed when you’re overusing your forearm muscles. And it can feel like shin splints the same way as
  25. 25. you get shin splints in your legs. It’s pretty common if you’re using your wrist a lot doing a lot of curls, a lot of extensions, a lot of weight lifting. It’s just like micro trauma to the muscular attachments that attach the connective tissue to the bone. You’ve got what’s called this periosteum that covers the bone and that stuff gets inflamed from micro trauma. First of all, make sure that you’re doing the right stuff to get rid of this. Don’t just rest, also do the same type of stuff you do the shin splints – free some dixie cups in the freezer and roll some ice up and down the arms 5-10 minutes few times a day. You can use a compression bandage to reduce the swelling or even use some of this kinesio tape. That kind lifts some of the skin away from the surface of the body and can assist with reducing swelling as well. Make sure you get some good natural anti inflammatories like a high dose curcumin extract or phenocane is another good one as my recommended alternative to ibuprofen to help with pain, with inflammation.[1:00:07.1] Sports massage helps a ton with this stuff in terms of relaxing all of those tight muscles and breaking down adhesions, breaking out scar tissue. I’m a big big fan of that too for shin splints or for these forearm splints. But as far as stuff you could do, like how you could literally work your upper body without using your forearms, first thing that you gotta realize is that in the same way that if you work your right side of your body, you can strengthen your left side or vice versa. It’s called the lateral training effect. So, if you broke your right arm, you could still strengthen the right side of your body by doing weights with your left arm. Same thing happens between upper body and lower body so you can still do squats, you can still do leg press, you can do leg extension, leg curl, you can do lunges but instead of holding weights when you do the lunges, you could have like a barbell on your back or dumbbells up on your shoulders and you’re still gonna get a really really good core and upper body training effect by working your legs. So, I would do that. A lot of gyms, it’s mostly like Crossfit gyms or sports performance studios that have sleds but sled pushing, actually you don’t use your arms that much. You’re more using your shoulders, your chest, your torso and your legs if you’re doing sled pushing so that’s another option – to do sled pushes. As far as direct upper body work, you could do things like any planking activity. It really
  26. 26. isn’t gonna put a ton of repetitive motion stress on your forearms so you could do front planks, side planks, you could even do like the yoga forearm stance. They’re called the forearm stance. It’s sounds like you pull out the stress in your forearms but really most of the stress is on your neck, your head, in your core. You could do the machine at the gym where you’re doing lat extension with your shoulders except you’re literally moving the weight with your humerus – with your upper arm bone, not with your lower arms that shoulder lat extension exercise at work, you could use ab curl machines at the gym. Again, I’m not a huge fan of machines but when you’re injured, sometimes, that can come in handy to isolate the joint where you’re literally like sitting in a chair and contracting your abs and like almost going through a bowing motion or an abdominal flexion motion and never turning back to the starting position. I’ve got this contraption at my house. It’s called the FIT10. I think I’ve mentioned it before in the show. You can attach that to a door and do really really kick butt standing ab curls and that’s pretty cool for core work as well. So just use the FIT10 for something like that. Any of that stuff – planking, ab curl machine, shoulder lat extension machine, doing planks to forearm stance, then working your legs, you could easily keep yourself in kick butt shape for a couple of weeks doing that kind of stuff. Granted your guns may decrease in size just slightly but just don’t worry, you’re welcome to the gun show T-shirt. It should be okay as far as that goes. As far as cardio, a lot of times, swimming, in cases like this, zero stress in the forearms, you can still get yourself looking like Michael Phelps or Ryan Lochte or I guess since you’re female, Kayla, maybe Amanda Byrd and just use swimming which can actually be easy on the forearms. If your forearms and it really hurt, you’re using them too much, close your hands into fists and that tends to make use a little bit more of your upper arm and your lats and your shoulders wherein you open your hands, a lot of times, you can tend to use your forearms a little bit more when you’re swimming. That’s a good swim drill actually, just swim with fists. It’s also a good way to look like you’re drowning.Brock: Yeah. Good way to have your upper body sink.Ben: And then, when you start back into things maybe use yourself anew. Grab some of those weight lifting gloves that have the wrist wrap- arounds that kinda do some of the grip work for you and that’ll help you get back into things that help overworking your arms right
  27. 27. when you get back in. And those are just basically weight lifting gloves with wrist wrap-arounds. Those work well also. Hopefully that stuff helps you and best of luck getting your guns back.Brock: Yeah. Definitely, it’ll steer you clear of the kettle bells.Ben: Yeah. I wouldn’t be doing many kettle bells or dumbbell curls.Brock: All right. Well, let’s move on to our final question that comes from Richard and Richard says, “I have been looking into trying out a hyperbaric treatment for no other reason than just my well-being and recovery. I like the idea of getting higher oxygen levels to help cell repair and general healing. I’m a 25-year-old male who’s been known to over train just due to the fact that I feel like I can I keep going. Can hyperbaric chamber sessions allow me to train harder and more often?” Richard, are you looking for a reason to over train?[1:05:19.7]Ben: I wanna buy one of these for my house. You can get them for 10-15 thousand dollars if you got a lot of good nice tax return but these huge chambers and this is way different than the exercise with the oxygen therapy we talked about a few weeks ago where you’ve got this pretty little oxygen mask that you’re wearing with oxygen container and you’re breathing in and out while you’re standing on a vibration platform or running on a treadmill. The hyperbaric oxygen therapy (this is the hardcore stuff) – these are like fall on chambers that can put multiple pounds of pressure per square inch of your skin of just saturated oxygen. And the idea…Brock: Is this what Michael Jackson slept in?Ben: I have no clue. Anyways, the idea is this is supposed to push oxygen deep below your skin surface and super saturate your muscles or whatever without you actually having to breathe hard and exercise. You can find hyperbaric oxygen therapy chambers in different recovery units in hospitals and stuff like that and there is some evidence that they may help people who are healing from injuries, have a little bit more speedy resumption of activity. Try one. I’ll put a link in the show notes. You can find the directory of
  28. 28. hyperbaric oxygen providers in the US and just go pay the lyingchamber for a little while. So, I’ll put a link in the show notes if youwanna do that. But it is different than pressurized air. So, the ideais that its pressurization inside this vessel and it can increase boththe content of the oxygen as well as, unfortunately, the content ofnitrogen that is around you as you’re lying in this chamber. So,increasing the content of oxygen is the area that most people focuson in terms of its potential effects for improving the respiration ofyour mitochondria or the speed with which your muscles can heal.The unfortunate part is that when you increase the partial pressureof air inside the chamber, you’re increasing the partial pressure ofall gasses in that chamber and since none of them are really gonnapush out 100% oxygen, if you’re increasing the partial pressure ofnitrogen, that can actually aggravate inflammation especially in thelungs and increased nitrogen can affect your brain tissue. It’ssomething you wanna be careful with. I would make sure thatyou’re being easy on the pressurized air if you’re using one of thesehyperbaric oxygen therapy chambers and that’s something you’dwanna be careful with just the effect of nitrogen balance on yourbrain especially if you ever had a headache and you’re somethinglike that. So be careful with these things. They do have their risksbut there is a lot of primarily anecdotal evidence that they mayreally really help with injury repair and they may help with musclerepair. However, a lot of it is anecdotal or experimental and therewas a recent study in the Journal on Strength and ConditioningResearch. Literally, just this past month, they looked at the acuteand chronic effects of hyperbaric oxygen therapy on bloodcirculation of human muscle and tendon tissue and interestingly,they found out that oxygen saturation of the muscle didn’t increaseat all during or after 6 weeks of hyperbaric oxygen therapy.However, there actually was an effect on the tendon and the oxygenconcentration at the tendon level did increase which suggests thatwhile this may not be all that hot for increasing your recovery afteryou’ve done a hard weight lifting session or something like that, ifyou strained or sprained the tendon or you’ve got a lot of connectivetissue issues with your tendons, it may actually help with that interms of increasing blood flow and increasing oxygen delivery toactual tendons. But as far as actual experimental evidence that ithelps with muscle recovery or that even helps with sportperformance, all that is pretty anecdotal and you do wanna be
  29. 29. careful with the amount of pressure that you use on these things just because of the nitrogen component.Brock: I’ve never heard of using it for anything athletic before.Ben: Yeah. And you could go to the PubMed website and look at some of the studies. I’ll put a link to that recent study on the acute and chronic effects of hyperbaric oxygen therapy. It’s one of those things wherein this is just fringe stuff. If I had the chance to use the chamber, I’d probably try it out and see how I feel but I’d be really really careful in terms of the amount of pressure that’s used. I believe they measure pressure called ATA units and what I was looking at online was once you exceed what’s called 1.5 ATA units, that’s when the level of nitrogen comes fairly significant as far as the partial pressure.[1:10:40.2] So, I would be careful with the amount of ATA units. Again, I’m not an expert on hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Maybe a listener is and they can leave a comment on the show notes but it’s one of those things where you just wanna be careful on something like this and understand that there may be risks as well.Brock: Cool! Well, that does it for today’s list of questions and I just wanna let everybody know if you do have a question for the podcast, you can go to and you just click on the little tab on the right hand side of the page and you can record an audio message right there. It’s really simple or you can call 1-877- 2099439 or you can skype to PacifiFfit or you can scroll down to the bottom of the page again at and fill out the Ask Ben form. Whew!Ben: Yeah and we do get some weird questions that we don’t _____[1:11:32.5] show. We get some people calling in who I think don’t realize that speakers are on or something but yeah, there are some funky stuff out there.Brock: We’ve heard some weird conversations in what sounds like somebody’s kitchen. So, yeah, be deliberate when you’re recording your question.
  30. 30. Ben: Don’t take your laptop in the bathroom. You don’t wanna subject Brock and I to that. We’ll put links to everything we talked about in the show notes to Episode #216 at and also we’ll put links to any of the resources that we mentioned during this call from supplements for VO2 max enhancements to books that I recommended about thyroid, etc. at the MyList for this episode which you can access over at and those are pretty fun in terms of being able to check out some of the stuff that we talked about as well. So, until next time and check out for Brock’s Michael Paulin book.Brock: In Defense of Food.Ben: In Defense of Food and eating plants and animals that are real, not fake. All right, what’s in this thing? Thanks for listening. For personal nutrition, fitness or triathlon consulting, supplements, books or DVD’s from Ben Greenfield, please visit Pacific Elite Fitness at