Over the last 15 years open source software and independent hip hop labels have risen from pipe dreams in people’s basements to revenue streams that can’t be ignored. The talk will detail interesting characteristics found in passionate people from both communities. It will take a look at the communities they operate inside of and why they seem to stay vibrant. The hope is to generate discussion among the attendees on what we currently think about what it means to be an open source craftsman and how our participation impacts others.