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Why Do They (Terrorists) Hate Us?


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Why do terrorists hate us? It isn't because of "radical Islam" (which is what I used to think). The answer may surprise you.

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Why Do They (Terrorists) Hate Us?

  1. 1. The Forbidden Answer
  2. 2. “They hate us, not because of anything bad we’ve done. This has nothing to do with any aggression on the part of the United States of America. It has nothing to do with anything America is taking from anyone. It has nothing to do with Israel and Palestine. They hate us for the freedoms that we have and the freedoms that we want to share with the world because those freedoms are in conflict with their perverted interpretation of their religion.Rudy Giuliani Former Mayor (R) of New York
  3. 3. Their maniacal, violent, and perverted interpretation of their religion, in which they train their young people to be suicide bombers, and they train them to hate you and despise you and they train them to hate your religion and to not allow you to have religion of your own or anyone else. They hate us for the reasons that are the best about us, because we have freedom of religion, because we have freedom for women, because women are allowed to participate in society, because we have elections, because we have a free economy. Well, we’re not giving that up, and you’re not going to come and take it from us.” Rudy Giuliani Former Mayor (R) of New York
  4. 4. At least, this is what our rulers have led us to believe. But is it the only possible explanation? To answer that we must start at the beginning – with the Founding Fathers.
  5. 5. “The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.” George Washington Founder of America
  6. 6. “The essential principles of our Government, and consequently those which ought to shape its Administration, are peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.” Thomas Jefferson Founder of America
  7. 7. “Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will America’s heart, her benedictions, and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.” John Quincy Adams Founder of America
  8. 8.  American foreign policy has changed dramatically since the Founders’ time.  The United States currently has: ◦ Entangling alliances among many nations ◦ Troops stationed in 135 countries ◦ Almost 1,000 military bases encircling the globe  This intervention into foreign lands is a major reason why they hate us. How is that? Well first we need to understand what blowback is…
  9. 9. Scheuer is the world’s expert on Osama bin Laden. He’s read everything bin Laden has ever written. His argument is that the perpetrators of terrorist attacks on Americans should be pursued mercilessly for their acts of barbarism. But it is unreasonable, even utopian, not to expect people to grow resentful, and desirous of revenge, when your government bombs them, supports police states in their countries, and imposes murderous sanctions on them. That revenge, in its various forms, is what the CIA calls blowback – the unintended consequences of military intervention. Michael Scheuer Former Chief of CIA’s Osama bin Laden Unit
  10. 10. “This war is dangerous to America because it’s based, not on gender equality, as Mr. Giuliani suggested, or any other kind of freedom, but simply because of what we do in the Islamic world – because ‘we’re over there.’” Michael Scheuer Former Chief of CIA’s Osama bin Laden Unit
  11. 11. So what is an example of blowback that caused Osama bin Laden to hate us?
  12. 12. “The CIA supported Osama bin Laden, like so many other extreme fundamentalists in Afghanistan who were fighting Russia, from at least 1984 on. It was only after the Russians had bombed Afghanistan back to the stone age and suffered a Vietnam-like defeat, and the United States had walked away from the death and destruction the CIA had helped cause, that Osama bin Laden turned against his American supporters. The last straw as far as he was concerned was the way that ‘infidel’American troops – around 35,000 of them – remained in Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf War to prop up the Saudis excessively wealthy and fiercely authoritarian regime. Chalmers Johnson CIA Consultant Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
  13. 13. Devoutly Muslim citizens of that kingdom saw the troops’ presence as a humiliation to the country and an insult to their religion. Some Saudis protested and began to launch attacks against Americans and against the Saudi regime itself. In June 1996, terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden bombed the Khobar Towers apartments near Dhahran airport, killing nineteen American airmen and wounding scores more.” Chalmers Johnson CIA Consultant Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
  14. 14. Paul Wolfowitz was a major architect of President Bush’s Iraq policy and its most hawkish advocate. He said that a benefit of the invasion “that has gone by almost unnoticed--but it’s huge--is that by complete mutual agreement between the U.S. and the Saudi government we can now remove almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It’s been a huge recruiting device for al Qaeda. Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Secretary of Defense under George W. Bush
  15. 15. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so- called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina. I think just lifting that burden from the Saudis is itself going to open the door to other positive things. I don’t want to speak in messianic terms. It’s not going to change things overnight, but it’s a huge improvement.” (Source: 594) Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Secretary of Defense under George W. Bush
  16. 16. “The confirmation of this whole idea of why they come here came from none other than Paul Wolfowitz. But what he doesn’t understand, as Michael Scheuer explains, is that the whole peninsula is holy land to the Muslims, including Iraq. So the fact that we don’t have troops right now in Saudi Arabia means nothing. We’re still over there, so the incentive is still there. And if it were true that we had to deal with the people most responsible for 9/11, it was not the Iraqis, it was not the Iranians, it was Saudi Arabia – 15 of them! So if you had to declare war, that is where you should have gone.” Ron Paul Texas Congressman (R) and Presidential Candidate
  17. 17. So how do entangling alliances create hatred toward us?
  18. 18. “Many Americans have wondered, ‘Why do they hate us?’ Bin Laden and al Qaeda have answered this question. America is held responsible for the governments of Muslim countries, ridiculed by al Qaeda as ‘your [America’s] agents,’ because of America’s support for their countries’ repressive rulers.” Page 51
  19. 19. “Our fight against these governments is not separate from our fight against you.” Osama bin Laden 9-11 Commission Report (Page 51)
  20. 20. “As the 9/11 commission report indicated, there were consequences for our presence in the Middle East and if we seriously want to address the terrorism problem we have to be serious about that issue. Giuliani indicated that he was not only not serious about that issue, but seemed to be ignorant of both the 9/11 [Commission] Report and political realities in the Middle East.” Philip Giraldi Former counter- terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the CIA
  21. 21. So how does having troops around the world create hatred toward us?
  22. 22. Robert Pape has done more research than anyone on the subject of suicide terrorism by creating a database of every attack between 1980 and 2009, all 2,150 of them. He found up to 2003 that the country that committed the most suicide terrorism was not Islamic, it was Sri Lanka (an island near India). The Tamil Tigers there are a non-religious Marxist group that want to secede. They invented the idea of strapping bombs to your chest. Robert Pape Dying To Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism
  23. 23. Pape also discovered that the countries that are most radical in their Islamic philosophy, Iran and Sudan (near Egypt), commit no suicide terrorism. He explains that the most important element in getting someone willing to commit suicide terrorism is occupation by a foreign force. The terrorists want “to make modern democracies withdraw military forces from the territory the terrorists view as their homeland.” Robert Pape Dying To Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism
  24. 24. The only role religion plays in this struggle, according to Pape, is that the willingness of the occupied to resort to suicide attacks increases when the occupying army is made of people who come from far away, look different and believe differently due to the fear that their entire way of life will come under attack. Robert Pape Dying To Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism
  25. 25. “If Islamic fundamentalism were the principal factor driving transnational suicide terrorism, such attacks should not be related to the ebb and flow of foreign occupation of particular countries. Islamic fundamentalism is a global phenomenon, one that has been in existence in a variety of forms, not just for many decades, but almost since the inception of Islam itself. Robert Pape Cutting the Fuse: The Explosion of Global Suicide Terrorism and How to Stop It
  26. 26. Hence, Islamic fundamentalism cannot account for the rise of transnational suicide terrorism over the past 30 years, why it occurs intensely at some times and not others at specific places and times within this 30-year time span, and—most especially—why transnational suicide terrorism declines.” Robert Pape Cutting the Fuse: The Explosion of Global Suicide Terrorism and How to Stop It
  27. 27. “In 2002, after two U.S. soldiers were acquitted by a U.S. military court in South Korea of negligent homicide in the deaths of two Korean schoolgirls, Koreans demonstrated, burned American flags, chanted anti-American slogans, and demanded that U.S. troops leave the country. Hatred of the United States is not a result of our freedoms and our values, it is a direct result of our intervention into the affairs of other countries and our military presence around the world.” Laurence Vance What’s Wrong with the U.S. Global Empire?
  28. 28. So how does having almost 1,000 bases around the world create hatred toward us?
  29. 29. “Why do so many Americans feel as if we have a right to a military presence in some 160 countries when we wouldn’t stand for even one foreign base on our soil, for any reason? These are not embassies, mind you, these are military installations. The reality is that our military presence on foreign soil is as offensive to the people that live there as armed Chinese troops would be if they were stationed in Texas. We would not stand for it here, but we have had a globe-straddling empire and a very intrusive foreign policy for decades that incites a lot of hatred and resentment towards us.” Ron Paul Texas Congressman (R) and Presidential Candidate
  30. 30. Angry: Some 6,000 people gathered at a rally in Tokyo on Jan. 30, 2010. The slogans written in Japanese read “We don’t need Futenma base,” in red, and “We refuse new Henoko base,” in blue.
  31. 31. Angry: Thousands of Americans gathered at a rally at Ground Zero on Aug. 22, 2010. The protesters are angry at a mosque being built on what they consider holy ground. Imagine if instead of a mere mosque, it was an Islamic military base instead. That is how Muslims feel.
  32. 32. But don’t our troops do some good things for other countries?
  33. 33. Well, would you be OK with Chinese troops in your neighborhood as long as they passed out toys for tots? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
  34. 34. So then why did the terrorists attack innocent bystanders on 9/11?
  35. 35. “The suicidal assassins of September 11, 2001 did not ‘attack America,’ as political leaders and news media in the United States have tried to maintain; they attacked American foreign policy. Employing the strategy of the weak, they killed innocent bystanders, whose innocence is, of course, no different from that of the civilians killed by American bombs in Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan and elsewhere.” Chalmers Johnson CIA Consultant Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
  36. 36. But does that mean that we have to do whatever the bin Ladens of the world want or else they will raise a bunch of terrorists to come after us?
  37. 37. “About the only thing that can hold together the very loose temporary alliance that Osama bin Laden has assembled is a common Muslim hatred for the impact of U.S. foreign policy…. They all agree they hate U.S. foreign policy. To the degree we change that policy in the interests of the United States, they become more and more focused on their local problems…” Michael Scheuer Former Chief of CIA’s Osama bin Laden Unit
  38. 38. So are you saying that Americans are to blame for 9/11?
  39. 39. To the civilians suffering it, blowback typically manifests itself as “random” acts of political violence without a discernible, direct cause; because the public—in whose name the intelligence agency acted—are ignorant of the effected secret attacks that provoked revenge (counter-attack) against them. Blowback
  40. 40. So are you excusing the terrorists for their evil acts?
  41. 41. “Looking for motive is not the same thing as making excuses; detectives always look for the motive behind the crime, but no one thinks they are looking to excuse murder. Obviously the onus of blame rests with those who perpetrate acts of terror, regardless of their motivation. The questions Scheuer and I are asking is not who is morally responsible for terrorism – only a fool would place the moral responsibility for terrorism on anyone other than the terrorists themselves. Ron Paul Texas Congressman (R) and Presidential Candidate
  42. 42. The question we are asking is less doltish and more serious: given that a hyper- interventionist foreign policy is very likely to lead to this kind of blowback, are we still sure we want such a foreign policy? Is it actually making us less safe?” Ron Paul Texas Congressman (R) and Presidential Candidate
  43. 43. But doesn’t patriotism and love of country mean that I should give my government quasi-religious subordination no matter what it does, especially concerning foreign policy?
  44. 44. “It is the duty of every Patriot to protect his country from his government.” Thomas Paine Founder of America
  45. 45. “Where liberty is, there is my country.” Benjamin Franklin Founder of America
  46. 46. But didn’t Muhammad describe the climax of Islam on earth as one in which the whole world would be Muslim?
  47. 47. “Yes, but there’s as much chance of that happening in any kind of foreseeable future as the application of the Golden Rule, and ‘turn the other cheek’ and ‘love thy neighbor’ in the Christian world. There’s no chance. Bin Laden is popular and his message resonates because it is a defensive message. It is very much a message of ‘get out and leave us to our own problems.’” Michael Scheuer Former Chief of CIA’s Osama bin Laden Unit
  48. 48. But don’t Muslims hate America because we have an immoral culture compared to theirs?
  49. 49. “According to Scheuer, the Ayatollah Khomeini [the Supreme Leader of Iran from 1979 to 1989] tried over the course of a decade to instigate a jihad [holy war] against America on account of our wickedness, our entertainment, our women in the workplace, and the like. It was a complete flop. No one blew himself up because of R-rated movies. Thomas E. Woods, Jr. Best-selling Libertarian Author and Historian No Patronizing, No Sloganeering
  50. 50. What made Osama bin Laden’s message attractive, on the other hand, was precisely that it was defensive in nature, focusing on specific grievances that resonated with his Muslim audience. That, and not a war against the West over its decadence, is what won recruits. In other words, we may in fact be dealing not with comic-book villains but with actual human beings.” Thomas E. Woods, Jr. Best-selling Libertarian Author and Historian No Patronizing, No Sloganeering
  51. 51. “I’m not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, ‘This is the way it’s got to be.’ I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ‘ugly American’ is for us to go around the world saying, ‘We do it this way; so should you.’ I think the United States must be humble in how we treat nations that are figuring out how to chart their own course.” George W. Bush Former President Dodging an Iraqi Shoe
  52. 52. So why didn't Germany, Japan, and South Korea have a bunch of suicide bombers attack America when America occupied them during the Cold War?
  53. 53. Robert Pape Dying To Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism “When one country is in political control of another, the national identities of both communities usually include more negative images of the other than do the identities of the same two nations when they are at peace. The boundary between the nations hardens, as well. The main exception is when the occupied community would face an even greater threat from a different foreign enemy, if it were not occupied.
  54. 54. As David Edelstein has shown, the threat from the Soviet Union dampened nationalist resistance to the American occupation of Germany and Japan during the Cold War and created a powerful basis for the establishment of deep institutional bonds that reinforced cooperation among the alliance partners. Absent a superior external threat, however, the identity of the foreign occupier is normally the most important ‘other’ in relation to the occupied community.” Robert Pape Dying To Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism
  55. 55. The only reason that Osama and his gang are able to recruit suicide terrorists is by pointing to real, earthly grievances: specifically the meddling of foreign occupying armies in their countries – not 72 virgins in heaven, not freedom, nor a plan to create an Islamic Caliphate. This is the answer to “why they hate us.” Why is it a forbidden answer?
  56. 56. “It’s very common for the slurs to be thrown when you say something like this. You’re an appeaser, you’re an anti-American. I think it’s a shame, but the governing establishment wants to protect itself. It does not want to talk about these issues. At the end of the debate, Americans may decide that the foreign policy status quo that exists at the moment is what they want. But if they do, they will at least go into it with their eyes open, and know that they are in for an extended period of war, a tremendously bloody and costly war.” Michael Scheuer Former Chief of CIA’s Osama bin Laden Unit
  57. 57. A partial list of past as well as some on-going American foreign policy interventions that have caused blowback: Now We Know the Cause of Islamic Terrorism by Jim Cox Ron Paul advocates the use of Letters of Marque and Reprisal as described in the Constitution, which would have been a far superior, creative and modern response to the attacks of 9/11 than a full-scale military operation: Ron Paul's Wise Foreign Policy by Rick Fisk If the US stopped sending foreign aid to Israel and its enemies, it would actually strengthen the U.S. and Israel, as well as end one of the greatest impetuses for terrorism: An Open Letter to the Jewish Community in Behalf of Ron Paul by Walter Block An Open Letter to the Jewish Community in Behalf of Ron Paul, Part II by Walter Block [ is the most read libertarian website in the world, the one that Ron Paul reads first thing in the morning. Also, see for a lifetime of learning.]
  58. 58. World Wide War Project The official website dedicated to verifying Dr. Jonathan M. Kolkey’s provocative conclusions based on his exhaustive and academically sound historical research collected over three decades that conclusively link the root cause of all wars with leaders’ cynical pursuit of their own political and personal self- interest. It demonstrates that these same government leaders disseminate for public consumption bogus “reasons” for their wars, all the while admitting in private their real self-serving motives.
  59. 59. How victory in the war in Iraq is a logical impossibility and an analysis of the fallacious line of thinking that “we’re fighting them over there so that we don’t have to fight them over here.” Don't Think, Just Say the Slogan by Vedran Vuk Victory in Iraq by Vedran Vuk and Walter Block A video showing how the CIA’s 1953 coup d’état in Iran caused blowback in the form of the taking of American hostages. Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [This video plays on next slide. There are a few more slides after the video. Don’t forget to click for the next slide after the video finishes!]
  60. 60. Source:
  61. 61. Norman Pohdoretz, author of World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism and Rudy Giuliani’s foreign policy advisor, is questioned about the 1953 coup. “Yeah, I think the CIA did in fact have something to do with the overthrow of Mosaddegh, but to tell you the truth I have no stomach for this kind of ancient history.” (Starts at 6:09 in the video) We Are Change NYC Confronts Norman Podhoretz!!
  62. 62. Armed Chinese Troops in Texas!
  63. 63. US Troops discuss "Drop-Weapons"
  64. 64. Conservatives need to question foreign policy as much as they question domestic policy SA@TAC - Ron Paul's Conservative Foreign Policy
  65. 65. Historian Tom Woods explains how he came to realize that the conservative tradition has become warped on foreign policy War, Ron Paul, and Conservatism
  66. 66. Ron Paul debates prominent neo-conservative Dinesh D'Souza FreedomFest 2007 The BIG Debate 6of7 Rebuttal D'Souza & Paul
  67. 67. Thank You