The (New) History of Full Preterism Carlsbad Conference
Dr. Samuel Lee Earliest Known Modern Preterist “ he is unrivaled; no scholar of our age can approach him” "he bec...
"We cannot humble ourselves too much, we cannot love Christ too much, we cannot depend too much upon Him, nor cas...
The Divine Manifestation of Christ   By Eusebius   Found 80 miles from Cairo at “Monastery of the Blessed Virgin” No other...
Stunning Impact of “Theophany” "Eusebius never allows the doctrine of Christ's second coming any importance ...
Lee’s Bold “Preliminary Dissertation” Published in 1843 "it is evident that Eusebius believed that  the End  had ...
Extensive letters defending his view 1843 - Preliminary Disserations on Eusebius 1849 - An Inquiry into the Nature, Progre...
A Difficulty With Categorizing Lee FULL PRETERISM: All eschatology fulfilled  by AD70 Seemingly Not A Full Preterist ! Lee...
Differences Between Lee and FP “ the feet must of necessity symbolize  Heathen  Rome in its last times.” Focus Being Battl...
Differences Between Lee and FP "The vision of the evening and morning...is true:"  and here the establis...
“ Modern Preterist” - Yet Not Full MODERN PRETERISM  -  The whole spectrum of  fully fulfilled eschatology,  which include...
Regardless, Lee Had World-Wide Impact Translations Theological Journals James Stuart Russell   Almost certainly aware of L...
Full Preterist Quotes From Townley (1845) The Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ, A Past Event.  "there is no...
Townley Influenced by Samuel Lee "would that Professor Lee's works formed part of a prescribed course of rea...
Townley Attacks Universalism Target: Dr. David Thom of Liverpool  – Universalism and Calvinism Robert Townley – Earliest K...
Involved in the following controversies: Eternal Punishment Global Flood Judgment in AD70 4.  Universalism A Very Curious ...
Universal Atonement UNIVERSALISM General Definition All mankind will ultimately be saved from all forms of judgment and da...
"a man of no ordinary character.  He is settled as pastor of an Independent Congregation in Liberpool, and is wid...
A Developed “Consistent Cessationism” We object to the entire constitution of the various religious establishments of the ...
A View of “The Law” As Mosaic Order “ This was the originating cause of trouble then, from the man of sin, Antichrist, fle...
Breakfast in America (Boston) Dr. David Thom “By some, the (Apocalypse) is considered to have received its accomplishment ...
American   Preterist Universalism Issues : Coming of Son of Man, Endless Punishment, Annihilation, Global Deluge, Universa...
Townley Co-Minister with Balfour Similar case to Townley : Former Calvinist, Convinced of Universalism by a Preterist - “T...
Balfour & Moses Stuart �
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  1. 1. The (New) History of Full Preterism Carlsbad Conference
  2. 2. Dr. Samuel Lee Earliest Known Modern Preterist “ he is unrivaled; no scholar of our age can approach him” "he became convinced that the views which he entertained, known as the Preterist, were those held by the early Church." "Add to this, (the book of Revelation's) own repeated declarations, that what was then said was shortly to come to pass ; and we shall be led to a conclusion as strong as words and facts can make it, that the purposes of God, as declared by the Prophets, and generally summed up in this Book, have been long ago fulfilled and finished."
  3. 3. "We cannot humble ourselves too much, we cannot love Christ too much, we cannot depend too much upon Him, nor cast our cares too implicitly and fully upon Him, nor indeed can we rejoice too much in His power, readiness and willingness to save to the uttermost. " “ I find him a very pleasant chatting man, and in high spirits like a boy... He seemed perfectly happy.“ – Charles Darwin, May 16, 1832
  4. 4. The Divine Manifestation of Christ By Eusebius Found 80 miles from Cairo at “Monastery of the Blessed Virgin” No other copy of it was known to exist Only mention was in "Lives of Illustrious Men" by Jerome. Dated by hand to A.D. 411 Bishop of Caesarea ( c. 265 - 340)
  5. 5. Stunning Impact of “Theophany” "Eusebius never allows the doctrine of Christ's second coming any importance in his historical scheme.  There is no sense of a new kingdom which will at some future date break in upon the existing historical structure, righting what is wrong and establishing justice." Frank S. Thielman "The Second Coming is treated by Eusebius as not an essential event, and even less like a culminating event, but only as one element which plays a symmetrical part as that of the theophanies of the Old Testament, compared to the first coming.“ “Sirilli’s Review” FIRST MODERN PRETERIST BOOK IN AD310? "EVER since his translation of Eusebius's 'Theophania,' my father's mind had been more or less occupied on the subject of Prophecy, and he became convinced that the views which he entertained, known as the Preterist, were those held by the early Church. Anna Lee, Daughter
  6. 6. Lee’s Bold “Preliminary Dissertation” Published in 1843 "it is evident that Eusebius believed that the End had come. And in this there can be no doubt, I think, he was right; but as this involves a question very ill understood at this day, it may be right to offer a few words here, as to what is meant by the End.“ "the old and elementary system passed away with a great noise; all these predicted empires have actually fallen, and the new kingdom, the new heaven and earth, the new Jerusalem -- all of which were to descend from God, to be formed by His power, have been realised on earth ; all these things have been done in the sight of all the nations"
  7. 7. Extensive letters defending his view 1843 - Preliminary Disserations on Eusebius 1849 - An Inquiry into the Nature, Progress and End of Prophecy. 1849.--A Letter to G. S. Faber, B.D., containing an Interpretation of 2 Peter iii.  1849.--A Letter to the Right Reverend the Lord Bishop of Glouchester and Bristol.  1849-51.--The New Testament translated into Arabic, and part of the Old with Notes.  1851.--The Events and Times of the Visions of Daniel and St John investigated. Launched Preterist Publishing Career
  8. 8. A Difficulty With Categorizing Lee FULL PRETERISM: All eschatology fulfilled by AD70 Seemingly Not A Full Preterist ! Lee Doesn’t End Prophetic Fulfillment at AD70, But Extends to the Fourth Century. How Can He Be Considered a Full Preterist ? Full Preterism: AD70 as the Consummation of the Ages WEBSTER’S DICTIONARY: PRETERIST “ A theologian who believes that all of the prophecies of the Apocalypse have been fulfilled.”
  9. 9. Differences Between Lee and FP “ the feet must of necessity symbolize Heathen Rome in its last times.” Focus Being Battle With Judaism AND Paganism Overthrow of the Most Powerful Empire the World Has Ever Seen As with Bishop Jacque Bossuet of Meaux (1627-1704) “Six Seal Preterist” Nebuchanezzar’s Image
  10. 10. Differences Between Lee and FP "The vision of the evening and morning...is true:" and here the establishment of Christ's kingdom is clearly foretold. In Zechariah (ver. 9), "And," i. e. in that day, " the lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and His name one." Both the one year, and day, is therefore divided into two parts: the first in the one case, is Summer, in the second, the Evening. In Daniel's seventieth week, the Apostolic period is, as we have seen, its first portion, and this constitutes the Apostolical Millennium: its second portion reaching from the fall of the City and Temple, to the establishment of Christianity under Constantine. These then, respectively, are Zechariah's Summer and Winter, Morning and Evening. We have therefore, the same period, and portions of it, before us in every case : and in the increasing progress of this river, a lively representation of the triumphant progress of the Gospel." Daniel’s Seventieth Week
  11. 11. “ Modern Preterist” - Yet Not Full MODERN PRETERISM - The whole spectrum of fully fulfilled eschatology, which includes Full Preterism, and recent systems of Preterist-Idealism.  Generally believes that all eschatology was fulfilled by AD70, or with Pagan Rome’s fall or conversion to Christianity .
  12. 12. Regardless, Lee Had World-Wide Impact Translations Theological Journals James Stuart Russell Almost certainly aware of Lee's preterist system Professional lives overlapped by at least five years Russell only thirty miles away from Lee at Cambridge. Russell attended Chestnut College in Samuel Lee's home district of Hertfordshire. Quite likely a close observer of Lee, if not apprentice of some sort. Lee became the Source of Massive Scorn Perhaps Reason Why Russell Published Anonymously Liverpool Pastor Who, as a result of studies on Lee’s writings, penned the EARLIEST KNOWN UNDENIABLY FULL PRETERIST BOOK
  13. 13. Full Preterist Quotes From Townley (1845) The Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ, A Past Event. "there is not a shadow of a shade of error in the conclusion at which I have arrived." "we conceive to be the scriptural doctrine of the Millennium, as confined to the period of the Apostolic ministry." Now the resurrection, being part and parcel of that preaching of the gospel to which this promise was made, "Lo, I am with you alway, even to the consummation of the age;" therefore the resurrection must be limited by the same consummation of the age, and must consequently be past, the Apostolic age and ministry being now no longer visible, and the promise of Christ being now of none effect. "The Lord God, at the destruction of Jerusalem, made his foes his footstool; he completely abolished death, of whom it is said, in 1 Cor. 15, " Death, the last enemy, is disabled" he took away entirely the first covenant, which was "the ministration of death," that he might establish supremely the second, which was the ministration of life ; he removed the things which, in Paul's day, " were shaken, that the things which could not be shaken might remain." (Heb. 9:27) "The heavens (of the Jewish church) passed away with a great noise; the elements ('beggarly') melted with fervent heat, the earth also, and the works that were therein, (all that attached to the Mosaic economy, see Heb. 9:1-11,) were burned up, and the new heavens and new earth appeared," (2 Peter 3.) Robert Townley – Earliest Known Full Preterist
  14. 14. Townley Influenced by Samuel Lee "would that Professor Lee's works formed part of a prescribed course of reading for ordination candidates.“ “ I will take the liberty of transcribing one or two passages respecting the fall of Jerusalem, in order to show the correspondency between his views of the fulfillment of prophecy and my own” We prove, and Dr. Lee admits, that “the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ;” consequently the prediction must have been fulfilled.”
  15. 15. Townley Attacks Universalism Target: Dr. David Thom of Liverpool – Universalism and Calvinism Robert Townley – Earliest Known Full Preterist If I am to be a believer in Universalism, I must have a widely different statement from any which Mr. T. propounds.
  16. 16. Involved in the following controversies: Eternal Punishment Global Flood Judgment in AD70 4. Universalism A Very Curious Endorsement Of Townley Brings up Townley’s Difficulties
  17. 17. Universal Atonement UNIVERSALISM General Definition All mankind will ultimately be saved from all forms of judgment and damnation. History of Consistent Preterism & Universalism
  18. 18. "a man of no ordinary character. He is settled as pastor of an Independent Congregation in Liberpool, and is widely known by his published writings, as well as respected for his learning, ability, and piety" - New York Tribune, April 8, 1843 On What Point Did Thom Convert Townley to Universalism Converted by Dr. David Thom Townley’s Conversion Berean Universalist Church – Closed in 1975
  19. 19. A Developed “Consistent Cessationism” We object to the entire constitution of the various religious establishments of the day, because we believe that they all maintain the great foundation principle of Judaism, viz., an outward and visible church This was the originating cause of trouble then, from the man of sin, Antichrist, flesh, (the law, see Romans viii. 8,) the carnal mind, which was attached to the law, whose strength was sin, which was the sting of death, the wages of sin, of which death the devil had the power. At the same destruction of Jerusalem all these the enemies were put under Christ's feet, the fall of Jerusalem being, if his own words are authority, most indisputably his second coming to "reward every man according to his works." Townley’s Conversion Now, if at the destruction of Jerusalem there was a taking away of the first covenant; a removing of .the old heaven and earth, and a burning up of the same ; and if sin, Satan, death, and hell have their true and scriptural meaning in reference only to the two covenants of Sinai and Sion, as consequent upon the Adamic transgression - and proof to the contrary is defied - if these things be so, then are we warranted in concluding ….
  20. 20. A View of “The Law” As Mosaic Order “ This was the originating cause of trouble then, from the man of sin, Antichrist, flesh, (the law, see Romans viii. 8,) the carnal mind, which was attached to the law, whose strength was sin, which was the sting of death, the wages of sin, of which death the devil had the power. “ Townley’s Conversion to Universalism "If sin, Satan, death, and hell have their true and scriptural meaning in reference only to the two covenants of Sinai and Sion, as consequent upon the Adamic transgression...then are we warranted in concluding that the time when the covenant of Sinai was 'everlastingly banished from the presence of God, and from the glory of his power,' being the destruction of Jerusalem, and every thing opposed to God being comprehended in that covenant, and having no meaning out of that covenant - that at the same destruction of  Jerusalem all these the enemies were put under Christ's feet....On the other hand, the common opinion of the day is, that so far from sin, Satan, death and hell being destroyed in the finished work of Christ, these several enemies are stronger than ever..."  Townley, p. 17
  21. 21. Breakfast in America (Boston) Dr. David Thom “By some, the (Apocalypse) is considered to have received its accomplishment and at the period of Jerusalem’s destruction. Among the American Universalists, this view is very prevalant .” (The number and names of the apocalyptic beasts: with an explanation and application) Townley’s Conversion
  22. 22. American Preterist Universalism Issues : Coming of Son of Man, Endless Punishment, Annihilation, Global Deluge, Universal Salvation Shop Talk Between Unitarians, Universalists & Congregationalists Harvard Divinity was Unitarian & “All the Churches of Boston” Stages of Arminianism, Arianism, anti-Trinitarianism, rationalism and modernism. Judgment upon Jews in AD70 History of Consistent Preterism & Universalism
  23. 23. Townley Co-Minister with Balfour Similar case to Townley : Former Calvinist, Convinced of Universalism by a Preterist - “The Old Testament, he thinks, makes (gehenna) an emblem of the future temporal punishment to the Jews as a nation. With this clue he comes to the New Testament and interprets all such passages as Matt. 23:33 ("Ye generation of vipers, how shall ye escape the damnation of hell?") of the temporal calamities connected with the fall of Jerusalem.” “ I deemed Universalism a great error, sometimes discussed the subject with Universalists, and always thought had the best of the argument. The first thing which staggered my faith in the doctrine of endless punishment was reading Mr. Stuart’s letters His statements, I was unable to controvert, and the text of which they were founded seemed to support them.” Consistent Preterism & Universalism
  24. 24. Balfour & Moses Stuart �

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