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  1. 1. Phil Brown <ul><li>East Midlands Regional Officer, British Association for the Advancement of Science </li></ul>
  2. 2. Randall Hardy <ul><li>Creation Research UK </li></ul><ul><li> </li></ul><ul><li>John Mackay </li></ul>
  3. 3. Has Science Done Away with God? <ul><ul><ul><li>We do not accept that the Earth is billions of years old. The geological evidence, properly understood, shows the Earth has only been here a few thousand years. </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>That being the case, the &quot;Theory of Evolution&quot;, which claims that one type of plant or animal can turn into another, obviously becomes totally implausible without the unimaginably long time scales! </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Randall Hardy </li></ul></ul></ul></ul>
  4. 4. Has Science Done Away with God? <ul><li>What do we mean by ‘God’? </li></ul><ul><li>Answers from the audience, please </li></ul>
  5. 5. What is God? <ul><li>Personal </li></ul><ul><li>Creator </li></ul><ul><li>Controller </li></ul>
  6. 6. This talk will cover <ul><li>1 Personal God </li></ul><ul><li>2 How science works </li></ul><ul><li>3 Creator God </li></ul><ul><li>4 Controller God </li></ul><ul><li>5 Age of the Earth </li></ul><ul><li>6 Evolution </li></ul><ul><li>7 Answer to question </li></ul>
  7. 7. 1 Personal God <ul><li>Science cannot explain </li></ul><ul><ul><li>consciousness </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>decision-making </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>free-will </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>love </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Personal God theory as valid as any other </li></ul>
  8. 8. 2 How Science Works <ul><li>Observation </li></ul><ul><li>Theory </li></ul><ul><li>Prediction </li></ul><ul><li>Measurement </li></ul><ul><li>Every theory is open to examination </li></ul>
  9. 9. 3 Creator God <ul><li>Big Bang Theory </li></ul><ul><li>High energy density destroyed evidence. No widely accepted theory of cause of creation. </li></ul><ul><li>Make your own mind up about creation </li></ul>
  10. 10. 4 Controller God <ul><li>Perhaps science reveals the hand of God in controlling the universe? </li></ul><ul><li>Science reveals more beauty of creation </li></ul><ul><li>Science enables us to worship creation more deeply </li></ul>
  11. 11. 5 Age of the Earth <ul><li>Bible or Science? </li></ul><ul><li>Biblical Age </li></ul><ul><li>Scientific History of the Universe </li></ul>
  12. 12. Biblical Age of the Universe <ul><li>From a literal reading of the Bible, Bishop Ussher (1581 - 1656) deduced that the first day of Creation began at nightfall preceding Sunday October 23, 4004 BC </li></ul>
  13. 13. Could this be true? <ul><ul><ul><li>If </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Earth only few thousand years old </li></ul></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Then some or all the following are wrong </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Evolution </li></ul></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Astronomy </li></ul></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Geology </li></ul></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Physics </li></ul></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Relativity </li></ul></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Planetary Science </li></ul></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><ul><li>etc etc </li></ul></ul></ul></ul>
  14. 14. Evidence for age of Earth <ul><li>Radiometric Dating </li></ul><ul><li>Continental Drift </li></ul><ul><li>Sedimentary Structures </li></ul><ul><li>Fossil Evidence </li></ul>
  15. 15. Radiometric Dating
  16. 16. Decay Graph
  17. 17. Radiometric dating is accurate <ul><li>Two clocks. Built-in crosscheck. </li></ul><ul><ul><li>U235 -> Lead 207 half-life of about 700 million years </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>U238 -> Lead 206 half-life of about 4.5 billion years </li></ul></ul>
  18. 18. Age of Earth <ul><li>The best estimate of the age of the Earth is 4.54 billion years </li></ul><ul><li>Error is about 3 million years </li></ul><ul><li>All scientific measurements have errors </li></ul>
  19. 19. Supernova created isotopes 2 Red Giant Medium Atoms 3 Supernova Large Atoms 1 Main Sequence Small Atoms
  20. 20. Life Genes Proteins Ribosome
  21. 21. 6 Evolution <ul><li>A Mechanism </li></ul><ul><li>b Comparative Anatomy </li></ul><ul><li>c Fossil record </li></ul><ul><li>d Molecular Biology </li></ul><ul><li>e Completely Consistent </li></ul><ul><li>f Domesticated Breeding </li></ul>
  22. 22. 6a Mechanism of Evolution <ul><li>Genetic Variation </li></ul><ul><li>Natural Selection </li></ul><ul><li>Based on accident </li></ul>
  23. 23. 6b Comparative Anatomy <ul><li>Many animals have nonfunctional digits. </li></ul><ul><li>They are remnants of ancestors with a larger number of functional digits. </li></ul><ul><li>Why would a creator God fabricate such vestiges? </li></ul>
  24. 24. 6c Fossil record <ul><li>Fossil record shows horse feet have evolved. </li></ul><ul><li>Transitional forms are predicted by evolution. </li></ul><ul><li>Why would creator God make intermediate fossils? </li></ul>
  25. 25. 6d Molecular Biology <ul><li>Hemoglobin amino acid sequence used to construct family trees for worms, molluscs, fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds & mammals </li></ul>
  26. 26. 6e Complete Agreement <ul><li>Family trees from hemoglobin, fossil record and comparative anatomy all agree completely. </li></ul><ul><li>Why? Pure co-incidence? </li></ul>
  27. 27. 6f Domesticated Breeding <ul><li>Breeding of dogs, cattle, corn and many other domestic plants and animals shows that selective breeding works </li></ul>
  28. 28. 7 Has science done away with God? <ul><li>No, because: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Personal God outside known science </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Science has nothing definite to say about Creator - could be God </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Perhaps science reveals the hand of God in controlling the universe, eg evolution </li></ul></ul>
  29. 29. Big Questions Reminder <ul><li>25 June 2008 </li></ul><ul><li>How can a scientist have faith? </li></ul><ul><li>Rev'd Dr David de Pomerai </li></ul><ul><li>Society of Ordained Scientists </li></ul>