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  1. 1. IS Wind Energy Based on Real Science? John Droz, jr. Physicist & Environmental Advocate Heartland: 7th ICCC 5/22/12 (rev 5/19/12) © john droz, jr.
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  4. 4. Our Energy Policies — from Lobbyists or ScienceThis is a presentation given at the Heartland Conference, May 22, 2012.This is an abbreviated (20 minute) discussion about various key aspects of the US electricity grid, and the electrical power source choices wehave. This is a complicated matter, so I have tried to strike a balance between being too technical and too simplified. The FULL version ofthis part is EnergyPresentation.Info.The underlying message is that our energy decisions should be made on the basis of sound SCIENCE — not on what lobbyists say.Hopefully you have already been to my website: “WindPowerFacts.Info” which has other useful supporting information.My expectation is that after legislators get more informed — and do some Critical Thinking — that they will be in a much better position toexecute informed cost-beneficial energy and environmental policies.In my live presentation there is commentary that accompanies each slide, and this is not included here. Since I don’t have the space toinclude all of those, I identified the slides where the remarks were most important, and added them after those slides. [These “elaboratedon” slides are identified with an asterisk in the upper right hand corner. On a few other slides I added short comments between the{...} brackets directly on the slides.]Feel free to use this material to make a presentation to your own representatives. In any case after you go through this, I will be glad topersonally respond to any emails you send me: “”.References and credits are on the two slides just before the end. Please see my brief “resume,” the copyright notice, disclaimer, contactinformation: all at the end of EnergyPresentation.Info. [Note that I will indicate updates on the material by a revision letter on the firstslide.] If you like what you see, please pass it on to other open-minded people, plus your federal, state and local representatives. — ENJOY! john droz, jr. © john droz, jr.
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  6. 6. There are two things that are more difficult than making a public speech:climbing a wall which is leaning toward you, andkissing a girl who is leaning away from you. — Winston Churchill © john droz, jr.
  7. 7. A Lot More About What You’ll See Today, is Online at:EnergyPresentation.Info © john droz, jr.
  8. 8. An Historical Perspective...
  9. 9. © john droz, jr.
  10. 10. The basic objectiveof any con. © john droz, jr.
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  12. 12. How were snake oil salesmen able to take advantage of good people?1 - By telling them what they wanted to hear, and2 - by counting on the fact that few people take the time to properly check things out! © john droz, jr.
  13. 13. We look back and say how could these people be so gullible?But is it any different today? © john droz, jr.
  14. 14. Yes —It’s Worse! © john droz, jr.
  15. 15. There isno penaltyfor makingunscientific claims. © john droz, jr.
  16. 16. We’ve comefull circle.
  17. 17. The solution to almost any con is simple:1 - don’t believe everything you hear from sales people, and2 - thoroughly check things out! © john droz, jr.
  18. 18. In short, my position is that — 1) we do have environmental and energy issues, and 2) these matters should be solved scientifically. © john droz, jr.
  19. 19. It’s Lobbyists vs Science—and Science is Losing
  20. 20. What Is Critical Thinking?A thorough, open-minded, logical effort to examine a claim, in the light of all applicable evidence. One of the key ingredients of true science — and critical thinking — is SKEPTICISM © john droz, jr.
  21. 21. Some Relevant Carl Sagan Quotes To Ponder —1 - We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.2 - We have arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for awhile, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.3 - I am often amazed at how much more capability and enthusiasm for science there is among elementary school youngsters than among college students.4 - Skeptical scrutiny is the means by which deep thoughts can be separated from deep nonsense.
  22. 22. My Three Hats Here:#1 - Physicist#2 - Economist#3 - Environmentalist © john droz, jr.
  23. 23. Twelve Turbines in a Rural Community © john droz, jr.
  24. 24. Wind Power Fails to Deliver the GoodsBy this I mean that:1) wind energy is not a technically sound solution to provide us power, or to meaningfully reduce global warming, and2) wind energy is not an economically viable source of energy on its own, and3) wind energy is not environmentally responsible. © john droz, jr.
  25. 25. The Soundbite:Wind Energy = High Cost, Low Benefits © john droz, jr.
  26. 26. Science is a PROCESS that Works Like This:When a new idea is proposed as a potential solution to a problem,it is up to the advocates to PROVE its efficacy (not the other way around). © john droz, jr.
  27. 27. The Process of doing a Scientific assessment — involves a: 1) comprehensive, 2) objective, 3) transparent, and 4) empirical based analysis. In the case of Wind Energy, this has never been done! © john droz, jr.
  28. 28. Sound Scientific Solutions is the Umbrella position that covers ALL important concerns:TECHNICAL ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENTAL(e.g. reliability, (e.g. taxpayer cost, (e.g. CO2 savings,dispatchability, ratepayer costs, noise, flicker, transmission, agricultural impact, birds & bats, other Grid property values, other health effects, limitations) net jobs, etc.) raw material extraction and processing, etc.) © john droz, jr.
  29. 29. How Does Wind Energy Fare in these Three Key Areas?
  30. 30. Sound Scientific Solutions A Teensie ∫Part 1: Technical Tidbit
  31. 31. There is NO SUCH THINGas wind energy by itself! © john droz, jr.
  32. 32. Wind Energy MUST HAVE a fast-responding, augmentingsource of power available 24/7/365. NO other conventional source of electricity has this requirement! © john droz, jr.
  33. 33. For a variety oftechnical and economic reasons,this fast-responding, augmenting source of power is usually gas. © john droz, jr.
  34. 34. Read what a Utility Company says: “Integrating the variable capacity of wind energy undermines the time- tested, science driven technology plan required of all utilities. And that just isn’t right.” © john droz, jr.
  35. 35. An even more disturbing assessment from a utility executive...When National Grid’s CEO was challenged about integrating wind energy, he said:“Families would have to get used to only using power when it was available, rather than constantly.” © john droz, jr.
  36. 36. So, ALL statements about theconsequences of this wind project (calculations of cost, impact on air quality, etc.) MUST address the WIND + GAS Package. © john droz, jr.
  37. 37. The wind industry’s omissionof these (and other) technical realitiesis a misrepresentation of the situation.
  38. 38. Sound Scientific Solutions EyingPart 2: Environmental Effects
  39. 39. Some citizens say that they supportwind projects because they are “Green.” © john droz, jr.
  40. 40. Is Wind Energy Really Green? Let’s take a quick look at just one part of a turbine... © john droz, jr.
  41. 41. Many WindTurbines use2000± Poundsof Rare Earth Elementsper rated MW. So what? © john droz, jr.
  42. 42. The processing ofRare Earth Elements involves dozens of steps, of caustic chemical baths,or blast furnace separations. Each of these results in a waste stream of severely polluted air, water, and residue. © john droz, jr.
  43. 43. Read for Yourself... © john droz, jr.
  44. 44. The processing of the Rare Earth Elements, for just one 300 MW wind project...1) destroys 60,000± square meters of vegetation,2) generates 18,000,000± cubic meters of highly toxic air pollution,3) pollutes 86,000,000± gallons of wastewater (making it poisonous),4) produces 1,800,000,000± pounds of contaminated tailing sands, &5) results in 300,000± pounds of radioactive waste. © john droz, jr.
  45. 45. Yes, that’s right: processing the REEsused by just one 300 MW wind project’s turbinesresult in 300,000± pounds of radioactive waste! © john droz, jr.
  46. 46. Remember, the REEenvironmental impactis just ONE component of these turbines. There are otheradverse environmental consequences as well. © john droz, jr.
  47. 47. LIKE THIS © john droz, jr.
  48. 48. So, is Wind Energy Really Green? An objective look says NO! © john droz, jr.
  49. 49. After carefully looking into just this ONE turbine component, reconsider the following marketing claims:1 - Is Wind Energy really “renewable”?2 - Is Wind Energy really “sustainable”?3 - Does Wind Energy really give us energy “independence”? The inescapable answer is NO! © john droz, jr.
  50. 50. As time goes on, more environmentalists are speaking out — “Industrial wind projects don’t work. They produce a trickle of electricity at a vast cost to the consumer. They desecrate the landscape and make people’s lives a misery. And they don’t even cut carbon emissions. They are literally a waste of space…” Struan Stevenson: Chairman of the European Parliament’s Climate Change, Biodiversity & Sustainable Development Intergroup (11/11/11) © john droz, jr.
  51. 51. Sound Scientific Solutions EnergyPart 3: Economics Explained
  52. 52. What Wind Energy Is Really All About © john droz, jr.
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  55. 55. E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-Gabout the economics here is problematic!
  56. 56. Does wind energy provide economical electricity ?NO, not compared to conventional sources.Look at the real economics from three perspectives — a) Total Costs = higher than conventional sources. b) Ratepayer Costs = higher than conventional sources. c) Taxpayer Subsidies = higher than all conventional sources, combined! © john droz, jr.
  57. 57. Financial Comparison “a” Total Costs (Capital + Operation + Fuel + Transmission)
  58. 58. Power Sources Total Costs Capital Operation Fuel Transmission {Wind costs here do NOT take into account any costs: for backup generation, OR for extra transmission lines needed, OR for other ancillary requirements, OR for decommissioning.}Nuclear Geothermal Gas w CCS Coal w CSS Onshore Wind Offshore Wind EIA — Estimated Levelized Cost of New Generation Resources, 2016 © john droz, jr.
  59. 59. Financial Comparison “b”Utility Ratepayer Costs
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  61. 61. More real world evidence from NC utility experts, about the real cost of wind energy:onshore = 2-3 times moreoffshore = 4-5 times more © john droz, jr.
  62. 62. What’s the Correlation with Higher Wind Energy Usage and Residential Electricity Rates?4035 Denmark Bad Renewables % ¢/KWH (2007 Data)30 Germany2520 Spain15 US10 Canada 5 © john droz, jr.
  63. 63. Now that you know that, is this an honest claim? © john droz, jr.
  64. 64. Financial Comparison “c” Taxpayer Costs
  65. 65. $4,981 MAnnual Federal TAXPAYER Subsidies of Electrical Energy Sources: Totals 2010 US Energy Information Administration Subsidy Report: July 2011 [Direct + Tax + R&D +Electricity Support] Note that the total 2010 subsidies for wind energy exceed the totals for all the other conventional sources COMBINED! $1,189 M $2,234 M $654 M $215 M $4,981 M Coal Nuclear Nat Gas Hydro Wind © john droz, jr.
  66. 66. Now that you know that, is this an honest claim? © john droz, jr.
  67. 67. But what about regional economics?
  68. 68. To begin with,all “enticements” are with your own money! Remember What Your Dad Said: There’s No Free Lunch! © john droz, jr.
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  70. 70. To ACCURATELY know regional economics,we need to get valid answers to four questions:1) Exactly how much of the jobs and economic claims are guaranteed?2) Specifically how much of the guaranteed jobs and economic benefits will go to local citizens?3) What are the NET jobs and economic benefits to the region?4) Are there other resulting benefits or liabilities from such a project? © john droz, jr.
  71. 71. Question #1:Exactly how much of the developer’s job and economic claims are guaranteed?Answer: None.
  72. 72. Question #2:Specifically how much of the guaranteed jobs and economic benefits will go tolocal citizens?Answer: We have no idea. Most initial jobs will be to imported specialists.
  73. 73. Question #3:What are the NET jobs and economic benefits to the region?Answer: There will be NET job and economic losses. See next slides!
  74. 74. Here is a comprehensive study about how wind development affects Tourism... © john droz, jr.
  75. 75. Here are the study’s conclusions about how wind development affects Tourism... © john droz, jr.
  76. 76. One likely consequence is that a few of the farmers who have leases, will scale back their operation, orstop farming entirely. Here is one of many examples where this is exactly what happened. © john droz, jr.
  77. 77. Here is a scientific study about local weather impact from wind development... © john droz, jr.
  78. 78. Here is a government study about one financial impact from wind development... © john droz, jr.
  79. 79. Here are their conclusions of the crop loss due to killed bats to Pamlico County... © john droz, jr.
  80. 80. What are the Economic Conclusions for Offshore? © john droz, jr.
  81. 81. The Jobs Conclusions of Independent Experts: © john droz, jr.
  82. 82. The Economics Conclusions of Independent Experts: © john droz, jr.
  83. 83. A Different Independent Study Concludes the Same: © john droz, jr.
  84. 84. Is There Independent Correlation of These Conclusions? © john droz, jr.
  85. 85. Typical Wind Development Impact: Net Annual Job Loss Net Annual Economic Loss
  86. 86. Question #4:Are there other benefits or liabilitiesresulting from such a project?Answer:Yes, there are other substantial liabilities. Forexample, the many millions of dollars beinggiven to this developer (e.g. through tax credits): a) increase our country’s indebtedness, and b) is money borrowed from China. Are either of these in our interest to support? © john droz, jr.
  87. 87. Net Financial Assessment © john droz, jr.
  88. 88. This is the point where we are now.Making the wrong choice will cost us for 20+ years. © john droz, jr.
  89. 89. The United States can be a National Leader in:1) Eighteenth century ideas like horse transportation and wind energy (buggy whip manufacturing, blacksmith and windmill jobs) OR 2) State-of-the art, Scientifically Sound energy solutions (like geothermal energy or Small Modular Reactors) © john droz, jr.
  90. 90. The Wind Project Developer has ONE Objective: to squeeze the County & the Leaseholders for EVERYTHING they can get out of them.
  91. 91. The Wind Project Developer has ONE Objective: to squeeze the County & the Leaseholders for EVERYTHING they can get out of them.
  92. 92. We can chose the path thru thedark green forest. After all, the marketeers assured us that it would bean easy shortcut to get some“found money.” © john droz, jr.
  93. 93. The salesmenpromised us that the trip will be pleasant and successful. Any animals along the waywill be our friend! © john droz, jr.
  94. 94. Of course there were no guarantees. Once we go down this path,we are on our own. © john droz, jr.
  95. 95. Don’t Take The Bait © john droz, jr.
  96. 96. Don’t Take The Bait © john droz, jr.
  97. 97. For more info see: WindPowerFacts.Info Thank You! © john droz, jr.
  98. 98. Some References (for main data, quotes, etc.) —Slide 1: Philip Epp painting - Wild Horses ( 6: Winsten Churchill quote ( 15: Pinnochio ( 20: Critical Thinking - several sources, e.g. ( 21: Carl Sagan quotes ( 26: Scientific Methodology - several sources, e.g. ( 41: Rare Earth elements in a Turbine ( 42: China Environmental Issues with REEs ( 44: Impacts of REEs - several sources, e.g. ( 44: Impacts of REEs - several sources, e.g. ( 44: Impacts of REEs - several sources, e.g. ( 46: Wind Turbine Fire ( 47: Wind Turbine with Birds ( 50: Struan speech ( 58: Power Sources Total Cost ( 62: IEA 2007 World Energy Statistics ( + data sent from IEASlide 65: Federal Subsidies - EIA 2010 Report ( 65: State Wind Energy Subsidies, etc. ( 69: “He Has Your Wallet” ( 74 & 75: Scottish Tourism Study ( 77: Turbine Effects on Local Meteorology ( 78 & 79: Agricultural Effects of Turbine Bat Deaths ( 80, 81 & 82: Assessment 1 of NJ Offshore Wind project ( 83: Assessment 2 of NJ Offshore Wind project ( 86: Statue of Liberty w Sickle ( 92: Little Red Riding Hood drawing ( 93 & 94: Little Red Riding Hood photos ( unattributed observations are the result of private research. © john droz, jr.
  99. 99. John Droz, jr. is a physicist and has been an environmental activist for over 25 years. He has been a leading individual on four NY statewide issues (electrical energy, water extraction, water quality, and property taxes) and is currently working on NC issues (like electrical energy and sea level rise).He received undergraduate degrees in physics and mathematics from Boston College, and a graduatedegree in physics from Syracuse University. He has been a participating member of several environmentalorganizations (like the Adirondack Council, Adirondack Wild, Protect, and Sierra Club). [The scienceoriented views expressed in this presentation may not necessarily reflect the political agenda of theseorganizations.] Due to his love of nature, he has a Summer lakefront cottage in the Adirondacks (NY).These areas of interest and expertise (science & environmentalism) have merged with his focus on energymatters, especially wind energy. John’s basic position is that we should be taking aggressive measures tosolve our energy and pollution issues, but should not be wasting time and money on illusionary solutions— which are primarily promoted by those with vested financial interests in them.This slide presentation is copyrighted and is for personal use only. Any reproduction, quoting, referencing,or other use of this material is prohibited without the author’s express written consent. Such consent willusually be granted for the purpose of putting on an educational community presentation.All information is believed to be accurate, but is not guaranteed. If errors are noted, please email John thescientific evidence of same and a correction will be made.For questions, comments or permission to use any material in this presentation, please email John at: © john droz, jr.