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BUILDING INDUSTRY FORUM
CHBDC COUNCIL CHAMBERS 26TH JUNE 2014
AGENDA
INTRODUCTION AND WELCOME – Jock Hyde
– Building Team ...
OVERVIEW OF THE MEETING FORMAT AND PROTOCOL – Mick Lester
•PRESENTATION - ARE WE THERE YET? – JOCK HYDE
•QUESTIONS FROM TH...
ARE WE
THERE YET?
IF NOT, HOW ARE WE
GOING TO GET THERE
TOGETHER??
WELCOME TO
THE BUILDING
FORUM
CHANGES TO
THE BUILDING
ACT 2004 & KEY
POINTS FROM
BOINZ
CONFERENCE
2014
FIRST OF ALL
WHERE IS
“THERE”?
A basic idea of where The
Ministry wants us to be!
The Building Act 2004:
• Last amended in...
END GOAL
OR OWN GOAL?
TO BE THE BEST AND
TO BE SELF
REGULATING!
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO
IMPLEMENT OTHER
AMENDMENTS TO THE ACT...
SO WHAT DO
THEY WANT TO
CHANGE AND
WHY?
WHY HASN’T IT HAPPENED
YET?
THE
MINISTRY
WANTS TO
BRING IN THE
CHANGES
THEY
THOUGH...
BECAUSE……
.
THE CHANGES THEY
ANTICIPATED HAVEN’T BEEN
BACKED UP IN ALL SECTORS
BY TRAINING, AND IT’S ALL
CHANGING REALLY F...
SO WHAT’S
BEEN DECIDED
BY THEM SO
FAR?
Some points from the BOINZ
Conference……..
AUDIENCE
QUESTIONS?
THE MINISTER FOR
CONSTRUCTION (WAS)!
END OF
BOINZ
SUMMARY
ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS?
SO HOW CAN
WE HELP YOU?
And how you can help
yourselves
SOMETIMES WE ALL FEEL LIKE
THIS
SO HOW CAN WE HELP YOU?
IT SOUND...
APPLICATION
&DESIGN
STAGE
Lets get it right from the start
COMPLETE THE APPLICATION
FORM AND PLEASE USE THE
CHECKLISTS PR...
BUILDING IS LIKE BAKING
Example: “I want a chocolate cake, it has to feed 8 people, be delicious, look good, last for at ...
APPLICATION &
DESIGN
SUMMARY
WHEN AN APPLICATION IS MADE TO BUILD
“THE CHOCOLATE CAKE” THE BCA ONLY
VERIFIES YOUR RECIPE M...
WHAT
PROOF?
BY COMPARISON OR BY
VERIFICATION BY
SOMEONE ELSE etc..
BUILDERS,
PLUMBERS,
ELECTRICIANS
etc……..
GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!
THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO
DO ON SITE UNDER SECTION
14E, IS B...
BUT THE
OWNER OR
ARCHITECT
WANTS TO
CHANGE
STUFF?
NO PROBLEM!!!
BUT YOU MUST GET THIS
APPROVED BY THE BCA BEFORE
YOU DO IT...
THE ONLY JOB
OF THE
BUILDING
INSPECTOR ON
SITE?
THE ONLY JOB THEY ARE
OBLIGED TO DO IS CHECK
THAT WHAT YOU’VE BUILT
DOES M...
PRE-LODGED
QUESTIONS
Thank you to those who sent
them in
TIM PIKE
FROM SIGMA
ENGINEERING
WANTS TO KNOW:
“WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR
CONSENT APPLICATIONS”?
HAVE WE COVERED THAT
ENOUGH OR DO WE WANT SOME
MORE CLARIFICAT...
HE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE ‘ARE AT’ WITH EQ PRONE
BUILDING ASSESSMENT, AND ANY THING NEW THAT MIGHT CROP UP e.g. ...
“SHOULD CONSENT APPLICATIONS INCLUDE ITEMS SUCH
AS SEWER CONNECTIONS,VEHICLE CROSSINGS ETC”?
THEY SHOULD IF YOU NEED THEM,...
TERRY
CHRISTISON
Hawkes Bay
Wastewater
Management
WHY DOES CHBDC STAMP
BUILDING CONSENTS AT
TIMES WITH :-
“HBRC PERMITTED
...
A FAIR QUESTION INDEED!
THE REASONS ARE FOUR FOLD:
1. WHEN WE REALIZED THAT THIS WAS HAPPEING HBRC SUGGESTED TO
US THAT WE...
MARK AND
KELLY ANNAND
“HOW CAN WE
ENSURE THAT
THE
CONSENTING
PROCESS IS
DONE WITHOUT
TOO MUCH
NEED FOR
DELAY – WHAT
CAN WE...
ONE THING YOU CAN DO IS LIAISE WITH THE
OTHER TRADES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BEFORE
HAND IF YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
IF THEY SEE...
MARK AND
KELLY ANNAND
“CAN WE HAVE
HARD COPIES
OF HOW TO
FILL OUT ALL
FORMS
CORRECTLY”?
THAT’S A GOOD IDEA AND SOMETHING WE
CAN DO FOR THE WEB SITE AND PUT IN THE
PACKS!
THE SECRET IS THAT THE INFORMATION ON
HO...
MARK AND
KELLY ANNAND
“CAN WE HAVE
FURTHER
INFORMATION
LETTERS BY E-
MAIL AS WELL AS
IN THE MAIL”?
GOOD POINT AGAIN.
AS A POLICY WE DO SEND FURTHER
INFORMATION LETTERS BY E-MAIL AND
HARD COPY IN CASE ONE GOES MISSING.
IF ...
OPEN FLOOR
THEN
REFRESHMENT
S
10 – 15 MINUTES OF ANY
QUESTIONS INDUSTRY
RELATED THEN IT’S ALL
OVER
Thank you to everyone for coming from the team at CHBDC.
For the hard work of Bronwyn Swanson, Jill McMillan, John
Carter,...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the ...
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Are we there yet? A summary of where we all sit in the building industry as that relates to the Building Act 2004 and the NZBC

  1. 1. BUILDING INDUSTRY FORUM CHBDC COUNCIL CHAMBERS 26TH JUNE 2014 AGENDA INTRODUCTION AND WELCOME – Jock Hyde – Building Team Leader CHAIRPERSON – Hastings District Councillor - Councillor Mick Lester Mick is an experienced, proven and committed full time councillor With 12 years on the Council and the Rural Community Board, representing rural voters. He led the development of the Waimarama Community plan and the Reserve Management plan. He chairs the Council Hearings Committee, and is a qualified RMA Commissioner chair and chairs the New Zealand Community Boards Executive (116 Boards). Mick farmed at Maraekakaho until 2011 and now lives in a central location in Havelock North.
  2. 2. OVERVIEW OF THE MEETING FORMAT AND PROTOCOL – Mick Lester •PRESENTATION - ARE WE THERE YET? – JOCK HYDE •QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR – 5 MINUTES •RESUME PRESENTATION •QUESTIONS – 5 MINUTES •RESUME PRESENTATION •QUESTIONS – 5 MINUTES •RESUME PRESENTATION – HOW CAN WE HELP YOU? •PRE-LODGED QUESTIONS •OPEN FLOOR ON INDUSTRY RELATED TOPICS FOR 10-15 MINUTES •REFRESHEMENTS
  3. 3. ARE WE THERE YET? IF NOT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE TOGETHER??
  4. 4. WELCOME TO THE BUILDING FORUM
  5. 5. CHANGES TO THE BUILDING ACT 2004 & KEY POINTS FROM BOINZ CONFERENCE 2014
  6. 6. FIRST OF ALL WHERE IS “THERE”? A basic idea of where The Ministry wants us to be! The Building Act 2004: • Last amended in 2013 • Brought in several new changes (such as but not limited to); • more types of work exempt from consent • Higher penalties for doing work without consents (Increased to $200,000 max) • Changes to some terms and definitions • MBIE has even more power to hold BCA’s to account • BUT WHY????
  7. 7. END GOAL OR OWN GOAL? TO BE THE BEST AND TO BE SELF REGULATING! BECAUSE THEY WANT TO IMPLEMENT OTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE ACT AND NOT ALLOW US TO DEVOLVE……..
  8. 8. SO WHAT DO THEY WANT TO CHANGE AND WHY? WHY HASN’T IT HAPPENED YET? THE MINISTRY WANTS TO BRING IN THE CHANGES THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD IN 2012!
  9. 9. BECAUSE…… . THE CHANGES THEY ANTICIPATED HAVEN’T BEEN BACKED UP IN ALL SECTORS BY TRAINING, AND IT’S ALL CHANGING REALLY FAST!!!! NO IT’S NOT JUST IN THE TRADES!!! EVERY BCA HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO THE SAME PROBLEMS, AND SUFFERS THE SAME GROWING PAINS!
  10. 10. SO WHAT’S BEEN DECIDED BY THEM SO FAR? Some points from the BOINZ Conference……..
  11. 11. AUDIENCE QUESTIONS?
  12. 12. THE MINISTER FOR CONSTRUCTION (WAS)!
  13. 13. END OF BOINZ SUMMARY
  14. 14. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
  15. 15. SO HOW CAN WE HELP YOU? And how you can help yourselves SOMETIMES WE ALL FEEL LIKE THIS SO HOW CAN WE HELP YOU? IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS, BUT ISN’T!!
  16. 16. APPLICATION &DESIGN STAGE Lets get it right from the start COMPLETE THE APPLICATION FORM AND PLEASE USE THE CHECKLISTS PROVIDED IF YOUR’E UNSURE ABOUT ANY PART PLEASE TALK TO US BEFORE YOU COME IN OR SEND IT IN IF YOU’RE UNSURE ABOUT THE ‘MEANS OF COMPLIANCE’ SECTION LET’S TALK ABOUT IT FIRST! IT SAVES TIME AND FRUSTRATION SO WHAT ADVICE OR TOOLS CAN WE SUGGEST?
  17. 17. BUILDING IS LIKE BAKING Example: “I want a chocolate cake, it has to feed 8 people, be delicious, look good, last for at least a week in the fridge and I can freeze it after if needed so I can use it again”!  Chocolate Cake 1  Recipe: Alyson Holst (Acceptable Solution AS1) Jamie’s Cook book VM1.  500gms self raising flour  2 eggs  250mls milk  100gms cocoa  250gms butter  500gms castor sugar  50gms icing sugar  Put flour and sugar in bowl, make a well add milk and eggs and melted butter, mix well, add to greased tin, put into oven at 180 degrees for 40 minutes. Remove allow to cool add chocolate icing to suit.  Chocolate cake 2  Aunty Betty’s recipe. (Alternative solution)  500gms gluten free flour  2 duck eggs  Teaspoon baking soda  250mls soya milk  100gms cocoa  250gms margarine  8 tablespoons of honey  2 anchovies  Put everything in the bowl, mix it and cook until ready.
  18. 18. APPLICATION & DESIGN SUMMARY WHEN AN APPLICATION IS MADE TO BUILD “THE CHOCOLATE CAKE” THE BCA ONLY VERIFIES YOUR RECIPE MATCHES THE ONE YOU’VE SAID YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE IT TO! IF YOU’VE SAID YOUR RECIPE IS ALYSON HOLSTS, THEN ALL WE DO IS COMPARE WHAT YOU’VE SUPPLIED TO THAT RECIPE, AND IF IT’S DIFFERENT YOU GET A FURTHER INFORMATION LETTER IF IT’S THE SAME YOU GET NOTHING AND THE CONSENT IS GRANTED IF IT’S AUNTY BETTYS ‘ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION’ WILL IT STILL MEET MY PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS i.e. “I want a chocolate cake, it has to feed 8 people, be delicious, look good, last for at least a week in the fridge and I can freeze it after if needed so I can use it again”! IF WE AGREE, BECAUSE AS AN INSTRUCTION TO COOK/BUILD IT WILL MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS THEN GREAT!  BUT IF WE THINK THAT IT WON’T LAST OR FREEZE, THEN YOU’RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO GIVE FURTHER PROOF OF HOW IT WILL?
  19. 19. WHAT PROOF? BY COMPARISON OR BY VERIFICATION BY SOMEONE ELSE etc..
  20. 20. BUILDERS, PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS etc…….. GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!! THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO DO ON SITE UNDER SECTION 14E, IS BASICALLY BUILD TO THE PLANS AND SPECIFICATION! YEP THAT’S ALL! SERIOUSLY!! That’s basically it!
  21. 21. BUT THE OWNER OR ARCHITECT WANTS TO CHANGE STUFF? NO PROBLEM!!! BUT YOU MUST GET THIS APPROVED BY THE BCA BEFORE YOU DO IT, THE ACT REQUIRES IT! BUT WHY???? BECAUSE NONE OF US WANTS TO HAVE TO EAT AUNTY BETTY’S CHOCOLATE CAKE!!
  22. 22. THE ONLY JOB OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ON SITE? THE ONLY JOB THEY ARE OBLIGED TO DO IS CHECK THAT WHAT YOU’VE BUILT DOES MATCH THE BUILDING CONSENT! LET’S FACE IT. IT’S ONLY WHEN IT DOESN’T, THAT WE ALL END UP FEELING LIKE THIS GUY AGAIN!!!!!!! AND THERE’S NO REASON FOR IT IF WE WORK TOGETHER AND COMMUNICATE
  23. 23. PRE-LODGED QUESTIONS Thank you to those who sent them in TIM PIKE FROM SIGMA ENGINEERING
  24. 24. WANTS TO KNOW: “WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR CONSENT APPLICATIONS”? HAVE WE COVERED THAT ENOUGH OR DO WE WANT SOME MORE CLARIFICATION HERE??
  25. 25. HE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE ‘ARE AT’ WITH EQ PRONE BUILDING ASSESSMENT, AND ANY THING NEW THAT MIGHT CROP UP e.g. THE BUILDING (EARTHQUAKE –PRONE BUILDINGS) AMENDMENT BILL 2013…….? IT’S HAD A FIRST READING OF SORTS IN PARLIAMENT BUT ISN’T ‘LAW ‘YET. IF AND WHEN IT COMES IN IT WILL PLACE SIGNIFICANT PRESSURE ON TA’S TO ‘COMPLETE’ SEISMIC ASSESSMENTS OF BUILDINGS WITHIN A 5 YEAR PERIOD. BUILDINGS IN GENERAL WILL HAVE TO BE UPGRADED WITHIN 20 YEARS, BUT ALLOWING FOR THE 5 AT THE START THAT WOULD MEAN WITHIN 15 POTENTIALLY OF THE ASSESSMENT. PRIORITY BUILDINGS CAN BE REQUIRED TO UPGRADE SOONER e.g. ONES THAT POSE SIGNIFICANT THREAT FROM FALLING DEBRIS, OR IF THEY FELL OVER THEY COULD BLOCK TRANSPORT ROUTES THAT HAD STRATEGIC IMPORTANCE IN AN EMERGENCY.. APART FROM THAT EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE REALLY ONLY AFFECTED UNDER THE ACT IF THEY UNDERGO A CHANGE OF USE AS DEFINED IN REGUALTION. THE COUNCIL HAS NO OTHER POLICY THAT AFFECTS THIS.
  26. 26. “SHOULD CONSENT APPLICATIONS INCLUDE ITEMS SUCH AS SEWER CONNECTIONS,VEHICLE CROSSINGS ETC”? THEY SHOULD IF YOU NEED THEM, BUT ONLY BECAUSE THIS CAN HELP THE PROJECT OVERALL FLOW SMOOTHLY. NO BCA CANNOT REFUSE TO LODGE OR APPROVE A CONSENT FOR ISSUE UNDER ANOTHER ACT. YOU WOULD SIMPLY BE ADVISED YOU MAY REQUIRE PERMISSION FROM ANOTHER ORGANISATION BEFORE STARTING WORK e.g. YOU MAY NEED A RESOURCE CONSENT FOR BOUNDARY DISTANCE ETC THAT WASN’T APPROVED BY THE TIME THE CONSENT WAS ISSUED TO YOU?
  27. 27. TERRY CHRISTISON Hawkes Bay Wastewater Management WHY DOES CHBDC STAMP BUILDING CONSENTS AT TIMES WITH :- “HBRC PERMITTED ACTIVITY LETTER ISSUED IN ERROR” ON CERTAIN BUILDING CONSENTS IF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM? IT LEAVES THE DRAINLAYER IN NO MANS LAND AS TO WHETHER THE WORK WILL GET A CODE COMPLIANCE CERTIFICATE?
  28. 28. A FAIR QUESTION INDEED! THE REASONS ARE FOUR FOLD: 1. WHEN WE REALIZED THAT THIS WAS HAPPEING HBRC SUGGESTED TO US THAT WE COULD ADVISE OWNERS AND DESIGNERS OF THIS AND THAT BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR ERROR THEY WOULD SORT OUT HOW TO FIX IT. 2. BECAUSE WE KNEW THIS WAS THE CASE WE COULD NOT BE COMPLICIT IN APPROVING WORK THAT BREACHED ANOTHER ACT OR REGULATION (section 51(2)(b) of BA’04) 3. ALTHOUGH TRULY UNFORTUNATE, IF AS AN INSTALLER YOU WERE UNAWARE OF THE CHECKSHEET FLAW AT HBRC, ALL HBRC CERTIFIED INSTALLERS WERE SUPPLIED COPIES OF THE OPERATIONAL CHANGES THE SAME AS CHBDC WAS, AND SHOULD IDEALLY HAVE RECOGNIZED THE ANOMALY. 4. HOWEVER UNDER SECTION 94 OF THE BUILDING ACT 2004 IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN REFUSE TO ISSUE A CCC OVER, IT BECOMES ENFORCED UNDER THE RMA 1991, WHICH AS OFFICERS OF THE TA WE CAN ISSUE INFRINGEMENT NOTICES FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY.
  29. 29. MARK AND KELLY ANNAND “HOW CAN WE ENSURE THAT THE CONSENTING PROCESS IS DONE WITHOUT TOO MUCH NEED FOR DELAY – WHAT CAN WE DO AS BUILDERS TO ENSURE THIS”?
  30. 30. ONE THING YOU CAN DO IS LIAISE WITH THE OTHER TRADES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BEFORE HAND IF YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE. IF THEY SEE CONCEPT DRAWINGS AND INTEND ON DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY, TALK TO THE DRAUGHTSMAN AND ASK THEM TO CHANGE THE PRODUCT OR BUILDING METHOD TO WHAT AND HOW YOU INTEND TO BUILD. THIS WILL SAVE YOU TIME LATER HAVING TO SUPPLY IT ALL AS VARAITIONS AND SLOW DOWN THE WHOLE BCA PROCESS THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH THAT. IF YOU SEE SOMETHING ON OR NOT ON THE PLANS HAVE A CHAT TO THE DESIGNER, IT MIGHT SAVE US HAVING TO ASK FOR IT?
  31. 31. MARK AND KELLY ANNAND “CAN WE HAVE HARD COPIES OF HOW TO FILL OUT ALL FORMS CORRECTLY”?
  32. 32. THAT’S A GOOD IDEA AND SOMETHING WE CAN DO FOR THE WEB SITE AND PUT IN THE PACKS! THE SECRET IS THAT THE INFORMATION ON HOW TO SUPPLY APPLICATIONS IS ALREADY IN THERE, AND SOME FEEDBACK IS THAT THERE IS TOO MUCH INFORMATION, SO IT’S A FINE LINE. BUT WE WILL PUT IN AN EXAMPLE FORM, BUT WE CAN’T DO THE MEANS OF COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THIS IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERY CONSENT, BUT WE’RE HAPPY TO GUIDE YOU IN PERSON OR BY PHONE
  33. 33. MARK AND KELLY ANNAND “CAN WE HAVE FURTHER INFORMATION LETTERS BY E- MAIL AS WELL AS IN THE MAIL”?
  34. 34. GOOD POINT AGAIN. AS A POLICY WE DO SEND FURTHER INFORMATION LETTERS BY E-MAIL AND HARD COPY IN CASE ONE GOES MISSING. IF THIS HASN’T HAPPENED, IT COULD BE EITHER HUMAN ERROR BY US, OR NO E- MAIL CONTACT WAS SUPPLIED.
  35. 35. OPEN FLOOR THEN REFRESHMENT S 10 – 15 MINUTES OF ANY QUESTIONS INDUSTRY RELATED THEN IT’S ALL OVER
  36. 36. Thank you to everyone for coming from the team at CHBDC. For the hard work of Bronwyn Swanson, Jill McMillan, John Carter, Duncan Renner and Nigel Moore in helping put this together for everyone. For the financial contribution from His Worship the Mayor – Peter Butler towards the costs of the refreshments. We look forward to a continually improving working relationship with you all. Please drive home safely. Jock Hyde

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