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24 gods love v. gods wrath feb. 2014

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24 gods love v. gods wrath feb. 2014

  1. 1. God’s love verses God’s wrath JanEgil Gulbrandsen Feb. 2014 Updated March 2015
  2. 2. • Let’s start with this first statement: • “God is love” • (We read it in 1 John 4:8, 4:16 and many other scriptures) • “Is” means it is who he is and what he is • Nothing more – nothing less • It is his nature • It is all he is…
  3. 3. • He is agape love • (agape is a type of love that “loves in spite of”- in spite of what man do with God’s love - or if man should choose to reject his love all together) • It is unconditional love • ( in other words: there is no conditions required to receive his love. You can not sin your way out of his love) • If he were to turn his love into anger, hate and rage just because he did not get his way, it would only be a conditional love.
  4. 4. • But God is pure love • (not a little bit of love and a little bit of something else) • God is not love and…. • (love one moment and hate and anger the next) • Agree? • Yes
  5. 5. • Everything God does is rooted in love • As a good father he has to “raise” his children • That can include discipline and correction • He “protects us” from danger – but not all children like to be “protected” • But it always comes from a point of love • Every book and chapter in the Bible is rooted in the fact that God is love
  6. 6. • Listen to this simple little storey: • You look out the window and see your 4 year old child playing with a dangerous wolf • You almost panic, but you feel an intense love and passion for him - you run outside as fast as you can • You valiantly attack the wolf – you jell and scream to chase him away • Now the child freaks out • He thinks you are angry at him
  7. 7. • The wolf runs away • You have just saved the life of your most precious treasure – you beloved child • This is how God’s love is for all of mankind • He loves absolutely everybody with an endless love
  8. 8. • God always love the sinner • But he hates sin… • Not because he is “so holy” and get offended and can’s stand it… • (yes – he is holy) • But because of what sin does to his creation – man. • Sin does not effect God – it effects you
  9. 9. • Sin can be in me Rom. 7 • But it does not define me • It is not “who I am” • (I’m a Saint – not a sinner) • You can teach a dog to walk on his two back legs, but it will never be his nature • We have received a new nature
  10. 10. • Like God said to Adam ad Eve: • Don’t sin. (Don’t eat of the apple) • Because it will kill you. • It happened spiritually immediately. • And bodily some years later… • (but now the last Adam (Jesus) has reversed the fall… ) • Now man can get “new life” spiritually – and immediately… By believing in him. • And live forever…
  11. 11. • God does not have any anger toward man • And the reason is very simple: • He put all his anger on Jesus that carried all the sins of the world • So in conclusion: • God is nothing but pure love toward mankind • Always!
  12. 12. • But what about God’s wrath? • King James Bible mentions God’s “wrath” 36 times in the New testament? • Does not that prove that God can be mad and angry and hateful and revengeful toward man? • No. • We are now going to look closer at what this “wrath” really means.
  13. 13. • The word “wrath” used in the New Testament comes from the Greek word “ORG’E” (G3709) • This word has 4 categories of translation: • 1) Natural anger or temper (in a person) • 2) Movement of the soul, like in: natural impulse, strong passion, intense or valiant emotion, desire (even the word orgy and orgasm comes from this word)
  14. 14. • 3) anger, indignation, wrath • 4) punishment by authorities (governments) • The King James translators chose to use the words from category 3 – anger, indignation and particularly “wrath”. • It could just as well have been translated with the word definition from category 2 - Movement of the soul, like in: natural impulse, strong or valiant passion, intense emotion or intention
  15. 15. • The root word or derivation of “ORG’E” (G3709) is the Greek word “OREGO” (G3713) • (a derivation means: a new word from the basis (root) of another word) • Like a verb to a noun – ex. To write – a writer • So what does the root word of “org’e” or King James’ “wrath” mean??? • This is what Strong’s dictionary writes:
  16. 16. • “ To stretch one’s self out (or to long for) in order to touch something – to reach after or desire something” • Do you see the difference? • God’s “wrath” is not anger toward man • It is God reaching out to men in order to touch them with his love • Why: because he desires to restore fellowship
  17. 17. • Why did the King James translators chose to use word like Gods wrath, Gods anger and indignation? • Could it be to make people afraid of God ? • And true this, to control the people • And to maintain the power of the church • King James’ instructions to the 47 translators was clear: • Maintain the power structure of the church (the church of England) – and the state (the King)
  18. 18. • God is love • And with a correct understanding and translation of the Greek scriptures, we can see that • Gods “wrath” is not punishment – it is love • It is like the dictionary says: God is reaching out to touch man • We are talking about reaching the unbeliever
  19. 19. • How can we know that this “wrath” is for unbelievers only? • Because the scriptures are totally clear on this: • Believers are not effected by God’s “wrath” • I will give you 7 examples: • John 3:36 “The wrath of God will abide on him that don’t believe the Son”
  20. 20. • Rom. 5:9 “Being now justified, we shall be saved from wrath – trough Him (Jesus)” • 1 Thess. 1:10 “Jesus delivered us from the wrath to come” • 1 Thess. 5:9 “For God has not obtained us to wrath, but to obtain salvation • Col. 3:5-12 “Earthly nature (sin) leads to Gods wrath. You used to walk in this way – now you are Gods people (saved)
  21. 21. • Eph. 5:6 and Col. 3:6 says the same ting: • The wrath of God comes on the “children of disobedience” • Strong's dictionary explains that this Greek word apeitheia (G543) also can mean “rejection of the will of God” • It’s root word is erymology (G543) which simply means “unbelief.” • So the two scriptures really read: • “The wrath of God comes on the children of unbelief”
  22. 22. • So what is this “wrath” – this violate passion and movement of Gods soul? • Is it God reaching out to someone in an intense way for something he longs to poses? • When is this “wrath” taking place? • Romans 2:5 talks about “the day of God’s wrath”
  23. 23. • It is still some day in the future… • It is called “the great day of the Lord” • Judgment day • Could it be that “hell” is not God’s anger and wrath towards men, but a place where he expresses his passionate (agape) love for the ones that (so far) have rejected him? • For those who choose to reject him, it is “hell” and torment
  24. 24. • One of the early church fathers, St. Isaac (the Syrian) – 7th century - said it this way: • Those who are punished in Gahanna (Hell) are scourged (a whip or a lash)by the scourge of love • The early church (the orthodox church) had a much different understanding of what hell was • The “modern hell” theology of the catholic church really “took off” in the 14th century with “Dante's inferno” ( a theatre play on hell) • Now they (the church) could really scare “the hell” out of people…
  25. 25. • But is not hell a place for the wicket separated (away from) God? • Not so. • Psalm 139:7-8 says: “Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? • I go up to the heavens, you are there • I make my bed in hell, behold, you are there”. • God is in hell and everywhere else… • His presence there is intense as fire…
  26. 26. • In Daniel 7:9-10 we read about “God on a throne of flaming fire and a river of fire running from his throne” • Remember God in the burning bush… • We also know that the Holy Spirit came with “tongue's of fire” on the day of Pentecost • God is described as fire in the following verses; Gen 19:24, Ex 3:2, 9:23, 13;21-22, 19:18, Numb 11:1-3, 4:24, Ne 9:12, Ps 66:10, 104:4, Is 66:15, among others places. • Fire is obviously God’s trademark
  27. 27. • This is where his presence is… • Could it be that “hells fire” is the same thing – an intense presence of God where he is “reaching out to someone”? • Because “God’s desire is to see all men saved” 1 Tim. 2:3-4 • Will he have his way? • Hell is forever… • Because God is forever…
  28. 28. • God is light and fire • (remember in the old days they used fire as torches or light) • Could it be that “hells fire” is the same thing – an intense presence of God where he is “reaching out to someone”? • Because “God’s desire is to see all men saved” 1 Tim. 2:3-4 • Will he have his way?