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July 2017 EdgeTalks - A new mandate to support community action

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July 2017 EdgeTalks - A new mandate to support community action

  1. 1. Chat from #EdgeTalks July 2017 from Cormac Russell to all participants: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/abcd-in-action-2-day-workshop-on-the-theory-and- practice-of-asset-based-community-development-tickets-35508978310 from Cormac Russell to all participants: ABCD in Action - 2 Day Workshop on the theory and practice of Asset Based Community Development Nurture Development Monday, 4 September 2017 at 09:00 - Tuesday, 5 September 2017 at 17:00 (BST) Huddersfield, United Kingdom from Janet Wildman to all participants: Good morning everyone. from mel to all participants: Morning from Paul Woodley to all participants: Morning all from a very sunny Coventry! from Janet Wildman to all participants: Fantastic weather here in Crodyon. from mel to all participants: I'm Mel from Coventry from sara Naylor-Wild to all participants: good morning, I am a Development and Research Director for a not for profit care organisation in Bristol. Interested in developing community voices in changing organisations. Bright and sunny morning in the South West from Mark Gilman to all participants: Good morning from an overcast Clitheroe, Lancashire from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: Good morning from sunny Birmingham from Mark Gilman to all participants: My primary interest is in community based recovery from 'addictions' from Cormac Russell to all participants: Morning everyone, Cormac here, looking forward to the conversation. I'll be focusing on the practicalities of community work at neighbourhood level, is that of interest to folks? from mel to all participants: I've not used this before so I'm hoping I'm doing it right! I'm a patient that uses creativity and community action as a way to manage my conditions. I'm part of #covmindthegap Looking forward to finding out more. I'm looking for inspiration and connections from Mark Gilman to all participants: My fingers are crossed that I have connected correctly too Mel from @ollybenson Oliver Benson to all participants: Hello from a sunny Coventry.
  2. 2. from Patrick Fowler to all participants: Good morning everyone. Patrick here from sunny Hampshire. from Cormac Russell to all participants: Morning Mark, good to see you on here! BW Cormac from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: First time as well. from Ruth Twiggins to all participants: Hi all, i am from NHS England in the Empowering People & Communities Team from Lynne Bowers to all participants: Good morning everyone from a Welsh monastery! from @ollybenson Oliver Benson to all participants: Hi @Ruth - is that part of Neil Churchill's team? from Jayne Beecham to all participants: Hello. I work at NHS England in the person-centred care team. from Mark Gilman to all participants: How best can primary care recognise, acknowledge and use the resources in the community? I am thinking about things like Alcoholics Anonymous that are getting fantastic results around here in East Lancashire but we rarely see anyone who gets to AA from a GP, why is that? from Cormac Russell to all participants: Hi Clenton, welcome, good to see you on here. from tom houston to all participants: be interested to hear how the public view the idea of being more pro-active.... from Cormac Russell to all participants: A Welsh monastry! That sounds intriguing Lynne? C from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: Hi Cormac from Sara Bains to all participants: Hello all, i am from Wellbeing Erewash an NHS vanguard site in Derbyshire. happy to be here today from Lynne Bowers to all participants: Hi Clenton - great to see you on the chat. Its where I live :) from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: I'm interested in how, public agency build trust to support community action. from tony longbone to all participants: Good morning all, looking forward to hearing more about #ABCD and building asset based health communities from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: Hi Lynne, great to be on the chat. from tony longbone to all participants: Good morning Cormac from @ollybenson Oliver Benson to all participants: Morning Cormac! from Mark Gilman to all participants:
  3. 3. Good morning Cormac and Jeremy from Anna Eaton to all participants: Good morning everyone! I'm Anna from the Ideas Hub which is an online platform for collecting and sharing the stories of those who are already using collaborative, strength based and community approaches in their work on the front line. from alex ankrah to all participants: Good morning: Person centred care is gold standard, but without us being clinically culturally competent - we will continue to perpetuate neo-colonialism. Sadly our communities have lost trust and confidence, so the starting point is the difficult conversation were we simply first say sorry. My work with communities has taught me the power of admitting the past, helps build legacy. from tom houston to all participants: why on earth would anyone want to avoid bearaucracy? only joking from Lynne Bowers to all participants: Cormac - making me emotional (again!) from Mark Gilman to all participants: Absolutely! Thats why the recovery community in East Lancs is so vibrant. People understand that "Faith without works is dead!" from @ollybenson Oliver Benson to all participants: does anyone enjoy bureaucracy? from Janet Wildman to all participants: I love the idea of gifts in people - what do you think? from Lynne Bowers to all participants: yes love gift giver from tony longbone to all participants: Janet, i think it's a wonderful thing. We all have gifts to give and we all appreciate receiving a gift, whether that be a kind word, an offer of support or a listening ear. from Mark Gilman to all participants: There is a guy here in East Lancs AA who is 40 years sober, he is 75 years old and last Sunday evening he introduced 35 younger people to the 12 step programme in Clitheroe Fire Station from tony longbone to all participants: That's a great piece of work Mark from Mark Gilman to all participants: And all for free! Those 35 people couldnt buy access to that kind of practical wisdom from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: I believe in the idea of gifts, however we have created a culture of doing to, doing for, how have we embeded doing with. from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: Yes. A Life not service. from Janet Wildman to all participants: How can we shift leaders to think in this way? - conversations? from Lynne Bowers to all participants: So true and how much is interdependency understood?
  4. 4. from Jeremy Taylor to all participants: Hi - sorry I'm late! from Paul Woodley to All Attendees: Fashinably late! You just building suspense! from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: Yes - reconnecting to be human, we have forgotting the art of conversation. We are social creatures. from Sara Bains to all participants: you can sing as well Cormac?! from Janet Wildman to all participants: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/abcd-in-action-2-day-workshop-on-the-theory-and- practice-of-asset-based-community-development-tickets-35508978310 Corma would like to invite you to a training workshop he is going to deliver. from tony longbone to all participants: I think we're a way off yet Lynne, there is much talk about co-production but the approach still relies on community input and not community togetherness to create. We need to get better empowering people to share and use there talents in creating something that matters to them. from Janet Wildman to all participants: What is your voice like in a choir - do you try to blend in or take the mike? from Janet Wildman to all participants: The language here is so important. It will determine if people take us seriously. from tony longbone to all participants: Agreed Cormac, increases there isolation instead of reducing it from Mark Gilman to all participants: My ego tells me to take the mike but I resist from tony longbone to all participants: moving from the me to we... so important. from Mark Gilman to all participants: There is no ME or I in recovery, only ever WE from Phil brough to all participants: agree, language so important.... How do we bring wider system with us so they don't just see this as 'fluffy' stuff but core to building long term individual/ community resilience from tony longbone to all participants: Absolutely Mark from Mark Gilman to all participants: Addicts and alcoholics alone with or wthout medical and clinical support die. Together we live and thrive from Sara Bains to all participants: as people from services how can we effect the stealth approach to enable and be invisibale in communities? from Lynne Bowers to all participants:
  5. 5. Conversations at all levels . truth telling; speak truth to ower . we cannot continue with outmoded approaches from Janet Wildman to all participants: Well done than well said - is that what we mean by agency? from Lynne Bowers to all participants: Give each other a good listening to! Love it :) from Mark Gilman to all participants: I am involved with The Well a community based recovery organisation in Barrow in Furness, Lancaster and Morecambe from tony longbone to all participants: OOOOh, agency - loving this terminology from Jo Johnson to all participants: Inspirational and thought provoking. This is sparking so much thinking for me about the 'neighbourhoods' professional staff inhabit and work in. So many transferable principles to any community or neighbourhood. Brilliant! from @ollybenson Oliver Benson to all participants: @tony Me too! from Janet Wildman to all participants: Any questions for Cormac? from Lynne Bowers to all participants: 22 people crushed by the work to do - resonates from Sara Bains to all participants: thank you Cormac! from tony longbone to all participants: @Cormac - What has been the biggest challenge with the #ABCD approach? from Catherine Foot to all participants: Fantastic talk Cormac, so much to think about. from @ollybenson Oliver Benson to all participants: Wow! Thank you for a really thought provoking presentation from tony longbone to all participants: Thanks Cormac, great presentation from Meena Patel to all participants: Inspirational as ever! from Robert Edmonds to all participants: focis from Robert Edmonds to all participants: focussing on whatg from Robert Edmonds to all participants: focussing on whay from Robert Edmonds to all participants: t from Cormac Russell to all participants: www.nurturedevelopment.org from Jo Johnson to all participants:
  6. 6. It really is all about seeing the person for who they are as well as what they do? Untapped potential comes to my mind. from Robert Edmonds to all participants: focussing on what should be treasured...yes! from Cormac Russell to all participants: www.abcdinstitute.org from Phil brough to all participants: Excellent presentation, thanks - energises need for culture change in system ! from tony longbone to all participants: Absolutely Jo, I have spoken on may occasions about a person's potential to maintain their own health from Jo Johnson to all participants: I love speaking from the heart which Cormac has done. Thanks so much from alex ankrah to all participants: I am community - speaking language of community is easy - it means being authentic from Anna Eaton to all participants: Thanks Cormac. I love the part about parties not meetings! from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: Thanks! Cormac from tony longbone to all participants: Hi Jeremy, thanks for joining us from Janet Wildman to all participants: This is such a difficult agenda but we need to bring the energy, movement into the system. from mel to all participants: Thanks Cormac loved your talk! from Lynne Bowers to all participants: we relish a challenge ! great people speaking and in the chat room :) from Mark Gilman to all participants: Fantastic Cormac. Sorry I couldnt make it to Doncaster. I was in Glasgow at the North West Recovery Communities 5th Annual celebration from Lynne Bowers to all participants: Language and lack of consistent terminology - a key issue from Mark Gilman to all participants: I used to be the Public Health England Strategic Recovery Lead from 2010 to 2015 from tony longbone to all participants: That sounds like exciting Mark from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: Language is powerful. Much of the language that has grown up around health and social care prolongs the notion that there are people and organisations who give care and support and people who need care and support. Coproduction fundamentally challenges this notion. from Mark Gilman to all participants:
  7. 7. It was but the appetite for Asset Based work in PHE and other Government Departments is always challenged by medical and clinical claims of 'expertise' from alex ankrah to all participants: Stat Services and truth talking: I think Barrow is a gret example of changing minds and better outcomes through powerful partnership - given the recent tragedies from the failings in public health at the Forum theatre (Legionalle deaths and nearly 200 infected) to maternity scandal. The issue is how to win trust and confidence - not just Duty of Candour but building trust between people and stat services. Starts with honesty from tony longbone to all participants: Couldn't agree more Lynne, a little like the fluctating diagnosis in some people's MH journey (not helpful, increases anxiety, drives confusion and reduces sense of self) from Mark Gilman to all participants: 'Bureaucractic managerialism' still dominates public services and Devo Manchester is in danger of repeating the same fundamental mistakes from Lynne Bowers to all participants: Assumption of paternalism despite effort sof individuals - amen! from tony longbone to all participants: Totally Mark, I feel we will have a constant battle with 'clinician knows best' from Lynne Bowers to all participants: So true - yet the person knows their condition impact best. the indivdiual is the expert from tony longbone to all participants: Isn't that the truth Lynne, I have learnt more from those I support about there condition than I have from any book. from Ruth Twiggins to all participants: All of us on the call are probably the converted - real challenge is how do we get those with comissioning resources to actually invest in supporting community - rehtoric to reality.... from alex ankrah to all participants: question on importance to work: I have no targets built into my work or process, or indeed policy framework. So whilst personally I think crucial. Not a requirement of my work. from Janet Wildman to all participants: I agree. How do we get the system on board on this agenda? from Sara Bains to all participants: How do we enable the a change in the 'paternalistic grip' that the medical profession are so keen to hold onto? 'They' have a lot of power in the fundamental decisions being made by DoH/NHS from Lynne Bowers to all participants: yes poll results indicate that. Could our energy be used in converstaions with power? from Phil brough to all participants: agree Ruth, think in part, identifying champions in these approaches at multiple levels e.g senior commissioners, clinicians, front line staff etc from tony longbone to all participants:
  8. 8. I think we need to be having conversations at all levels, show where the connections can be made and celebrate together examples of good practice from Mark Gilman to all participants: Credit is due to a guy called Chris Lee in Lancashire County Council who is a commissioner who supports ABCD from tony longbone to all participants: make the connections - this is the step I feel we as 'believers' need to prioritise from Phil brough to all participants: can we please clone Chris Lee :) from tony longbone to all participants: lol @Phil from Mark Gilman to all participants: Also Anthony Bullock in Staffordshire County Concil and Niamh Cullen in Calderdale from Jo Johnson to all participants: There is something for me about looking at our approaches and assumptions about what commisisoners are doing? Applying Cormacs principles means that we have to get closer to understanding what 'life' is like for commisisoners and spend time supporting them to build their own agency? from Phil brough to all participants: great from Janet Wildman to all participants: Does this give you the freedom you need Alex to do interesting work? from alex ankrah to all participants: My expereince is the so called 'converted' - have not always built in the chacks and balances, or structures to sustain this work. In addition if we look at Race and Disability -we can see 'the converted' continue to fail to deliver inclusion and diversity. We only need to look at Boards, Leadership and indeed staffing to see the lack of inclusion and social cohesion. from Phil brough to all participants: I have to dash to another meeting but thank you Cormac/ Jeremy and national voices for great session from Meena Patel to all participants: This is about cultural/attitudinal change which seems to get forgotten. Evidence alone doesn't get us where we want to be from Sara Bains to all participants: Friends and family test fundamentally flawed as there is little chioce of alternative services! from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: Totally agree Meena. from Janet Wildman to all participants: agree Meena! from tony longbone to all participants: What approaches do we take to find out what matters to people and how can we collect richer information?
  9. 9. from Lynne Bowers to all participants: so true Jeremy re accountability ( for the wrong things) from Cormac Russell to all participants: Jeremy, what I was saying is that you're measurements will be a lot better and more liberating if you treasure what you measure, rather than objectify it. C from Cormac Russell to all participants: But also there are certain things that ppl treasure which we can't measure. from Lynne Bowers to all participants: measure what you treasure? from alex ankrah to all participants: Measuring outcomes - means asking people what they need, as well want - not same thing. My work with ambulance trusts, showed me if we got it right for people with LD, then chances were, that we were getting communcation with wider community right. Again we are only as good as the number of Serious Untoward Incidents we ensure do not happen, as well as the evidence of people being around the table. Easy to measure who is in the room, more difficult to be honest about who is getting best outcomes. from Janet Wildman to all participants: Thanks Jo. Commissioner do a fantastic job and could really benefit from support on this agenda. from helen bevan to all participants: Hi everyone. I only just managed to join but I look forward to watching the recording as soon as it is available from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: Totally agree Jeremy. from tony longbone to all participants: Morning Helen from Lynne Bowers to all participants: We need a voice at those round tables! from Linda Hutchinson to all participants: Agree with more training on asset based approaches. To be effective people need to want to learn. Change of mindset, having the 'aha' moment - that is needed first. from Patrick Fowler to all participants: Hi Jeremy, i work with Healthwatch. Do you know of examples where Healthwatch around the country have promoted this specific partnership approach across local communities and health/care systems? from Lynne Bowers to all participants: Social leadership so different to current models enacted and promoted from Janet Wildman to all participants: Hi Linday, what part of the asset based approach would you like training on? from tony longbone to all participants: Busy trying to bring the voice of the frontline to board meetings, but still a lot of fear and reluctance in supporting that and would love to see this develop into the voice of those who use services being heard at board level
  10. 10. from Meena Patel to all participants: A sevice is not an outcome! from Janet Wildman to all participants: Lynne - we really need to understand social leadership and what it means to system leaders. Any thoughts? from Mark Gilman to all participants: The recovery communities in East Lancashire are led by people in recovery who have a life and are living it in East Lancashire and others are drawn to them as they see them getting a life and "getting well where they got sick" from Lynne Bowers to all participants: yes a lot! from Lynne Bowers to all participants: there is talk of distributed leadership etc but there are perverse incentives against it. Soical leadership requires the relinquish of power and is threatening to many and that within a culture of fear from Mark Gilman to all participants: My early experience of Geater manchester Devolution is depressing as a new bureaucarcy seems to be emerging to replace the old one from Jo Johnson to all participants: Thanks Jeremy. You have described exactly why I work in healthcare. It is all about the realtionship, showing up and having human conversations. Such a priviledge to be part of this work. from Janet Wildman to all participants: We have only three minutes left. Do let me know the questions you have for our presenters. Lets keep talking in the chat room. from Mark Gilman to all participants: Yes, thanks Jeremy - synergy with Cormac from Clenton Farquharson to all participants: Thank You Jeremy I have to go Now! Thanks you all . There great quote by Maya Angelou- That I do my best to live by "My mission in life is not merely to survive, but to thrive, and to do so with some passion, some compassion, some humour, and and some style". from tony longbone to all participants: @Janet -where has that hour gone? from Lynne Bowers to all participants: third sector want to be friends! and good to hear private sector mentioned - theyre not all bad. from Sara Bains to all participants: Great quote Clenton from tony longbone to all participants: No apologies needed Jeremy from Sara Bains to all participants: Thank you Jeremy from Cormac Russell to all participants:
  11. 11. Excellent presentation Jeremey, huge synergies from tony longbone to all participants: Love that quote Clenton from Lynne Bowers to all participants: the leadership of cultures and associational life - fab! from Mark Gilman to all participants: "I cant WE can!" from Lynne Bowers to all participants: have better conversations ! believe i your own power - great! from Linda Hutchinson to all participants: Thanks for excellent session from Patrick Fowler to all participants: Many thanks Cormac and Jeremy and also Janet for hosting. from mel to all participants: Thanks for brilliant session from Mark Gilman to all participants: Thanks Cormac and Jeremy and all participants from Jayne Beecham to all participants: Great session. Thought provoking. from Sara Bains to all participants: this has been fantastic, thank you so much from tony longbone to all participants: Thank you Cormac and Jeremy, inspiring stuff and look forward to sharing the learning wider from Mark Gilman to all participants: Bye from Paul Woodley to all participants: Thanks all from Janet Wildman to all participants: Have a wonderful weekend everyone.

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