1.
@HendrikEbbers
Karakun DevHub_
dev.karakun.com

2.
@HendrikEbbers
2019
Java Desktop

3.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
About me
• Karakun Co-Founder
• Founder of JUG Dortmund
• JSR EG member
• JavaOne Rockstar, Java Champion
• AdoptOpenJDK TSC member

4.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
About me

5.
@HendrikEbbers
2019
Java Desktop

6.
@HendrikEbbers
OMG!!!!!!
Java Desktop

7.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Content
• Desktop Apps today
• The Oracle Java client roadmap
• Webstart, Applets, Swing & AWT, jpackager
• JavaFX

8.
@HendrikEbbers
Desktop Apps

9.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Desktop Apps
App
build

10.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Desktop Apps
App
build Install

11.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Desktop Apps
Application
Build Tools
App
build Install

12.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Desktop Apps
Runtime
UI Toolkit
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
App
build Install

13.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Desktop Apps
Runtime
UI Toolkit
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

14.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Desktop Apps
Runtime
UI Toolkit
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

15.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Desktop Apps
Runtime
UI Toolkit
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

16.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps 2016
Oracle Java 8
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
App
build Install

17.
@HendrikEbbers
I just downloaded
Java 8 from Oracle

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps today
Java 8 / 11+
Java FX 8 / 11+
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

19.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps today
Java 8 / 11+
Java FX 8 / 11+
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

20.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps today
Java 8 / 11+
Java FX 8 / 11+
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

21.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps today
Java 8 / 11+
Java FX 8 / 11+
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

22.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps today
Java 8 / 11+
Java FX 8 / 11+
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

23.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps today
Java 8 / 11+
Java FX 8 / 11+
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

24.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps today
Java 8 / 11+
Java FX 8 / 11+
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

25.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps today
Java 8 / 11+
Java FX 8 / 11+
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

26.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps today
Java 8 / 11+
Java FX 8 / 11+
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

27.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Desktop Apps today
Java 8 / 11+
Java FX 8 / 11+
3rdParty libs
Application
Build Tools
update
update
update
update
App
build Install

28.
@HendrikEbbers
I just want my
"Ask Toolbar Installer"
back!

29.
@HendrikEbbers
What has suddenly
changed?

30.
@HendrikEbbers
Java (Desktop)
Roadmap

31.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
• Oracle announced a roadmap for Java on desktop
last year (in March 2018)
https://bit.ly/2JiwELG

32.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
"The application development market has shifted dramatically
over the past decade…
To address these requirements, Oracle proposed to shift Java
to a strict time-based release model, …
These changes create an opportunity to simplify and focus the
client roadmap going forward."

33.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
Java 9
Java 10
Java 11
Java 12
Java 13
Java 14
2018 2019 2020
Free
Oracle OpenJDK

34.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
Java 9
Java 10
Java 11
Java 12
Java 13
Java 14
2018 2019 2020
Java 8
Free
Commercial
Not Free in Prod
Oracle JDK

35.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
"The application development market has shifted dramatically
over the past decade…
To address these requirements, Oracle proposed to shift Java
to a strict time-based release model, …
These changes create an opportunity to simplify and focus the
client roadmap going forward."

36.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
"Swing and AWT will continue to be supported on
Java SE 8 through at least March 2025, and on Java
SE 11 (18.9 LTS) through at least September 2026."

37.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
"Oracle will continue to commercially support Java
Web Start on Java SE 8 for commercial use, or when
used in conjunction with Oracle products that have a
Web Start dependency, through at least March 2025"

38.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
"JavaFX new fixes will continue to be supported on
Java SE 8 through March 2022 and removed from
Java SE 11."

39.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
• Swing will be supported in future (commercial)
Java 8 and 11 updates
• We have no idea what will happen to Swing in
future Java LTS versions

40.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
• WebStart will be supported in future (commercial)
Java 8 updates
• WebStart is removed in Java 11

41.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
• JavaFX will be supported in future commercial Java
8 updates
• JavaFX is removed in Java 11

42.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle Java Desktop Roadmap
"Oracle has begun conversations with interested
parties in the Java ecosystem on the stewardship of
JavaFX, Swing and AWT beyond the above
referenced timeframes."

43.
@HendrikEbbers
Java is not "only Oracle"
anymore

44.
@HendrikEbbers
AWT & Swing

45.
@HendrikEbbers
AWT & Swing

46.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Swing & AWT
• Swing and AWT won't used for new projects
anymore
• Stable APIs and no new features needed

47.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Swing & AWT
• But: the private API will change from time to time
• Replace native rendering engine based on os
changes
• Toolkits need support in future
• Who will do that???

48.
@HendrikEbbers
JavaApplets

49.
@HendrikEbbers
JavaApplets

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@HendrikEbbers
JavaWebStart

51.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Webstart History
2000
JSR 56
Approval
2002
WebStart is
shipped with
Java 1.4

52.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Webstart History
2000
JSR 56
Approval
2002
WebStart is
shipped with
Java 1.4
2016
Development
of Java 9
started

53.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
History

54.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
History
"Developers of applications that rely on the Java browser plugin
need to consider alternative options such as migrating from Java Applets
(which rely on a browser plugin) to the plugin-free Java Web Start technology."
Oracle, 2016

55.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Webstart History
2000
JSR 56
Approval
2002
WebStart is
shipped with
Java 1.4
2016
Development
of Java 9
started
"Migrate to
WebStart"

56.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Webstart History
2000
JSR 56
Approval
2002
WebStart is
shipped with
Java 1.4
2016
Development
of Java 9
started
"Migrate to
WebStart"
Spring
2018
WebStart will
be removed
in future

57.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Webstart History
2000
JSR 56
Approval
2002
WebStart is
shipped with
Java 1.4
2016
Development
of Java 9
started
"Migrate to
WebStart"
Spring
2018
Autumn
2018
WebStart will
be removed
in future

58.
@HendrikEbbers
Java is open source!
I don't care

59.
@HendrikEbbers
Oracle Java != OpenJDK

60.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle JDK & OpenJDK
OpenJDK 8
JVM, tools, etc. JVM, tools, etc.
Exclusive Oracle
stuff
eg. Flight recorder
WebStart
Mission Control
Oracle JDK 8

61.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Oracle JDK & OpenJDK
OpenJDK 12 Oracle JDK 12
JVM, tools, etc.
equals JVM, tools, etc.

62.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
AdoptOpenJDK to the rescue!

63.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
AdoptOpenJDK to the rescue!

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@HendrikEbbers
OpenWebStart

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
OpenWebStart
• Open source implementation of the JNLP Spec
• Based on IcedTeaWeb from RedHat

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
OpenWebStart
• Adds modern functionality to WebStart
• JVM manager integrated
WebStart Java 11.0.1 Java 11.0.2 Java 12.0.1
manage

67.
@HendrikEbbers
openwebstart.com

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@HendrikEbbers
Java Packaging Tool

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
jpackage
• Build native executables for your application
• Supports jlink
• You can use it today (with hacks)
• Beta in Java 14 & 15

70.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Java Packaging Tool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwlGWlgxe0

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Alternative

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@HendrikEbbers
JavaFX

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX today
• You can use JavaFX today without any problems

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX today
• You can use JavaFX today without any problems
• Since it is "just software" bugs will pop up over
time

75.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX today
• You can use JavaFX today without any problems
• Since it is "just software" bugs will pop up over
time
• … and security issues

76.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX today
• You can use JavaFX today without any problems
• Since it is "just software" bugs will pop up over
time
• … and security issues
• … and private API / native code must be changed

77.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX today
• Such issues must be targeted in future and LTS
versions
• Currently companies provides LTS support for
JavaFX 8 and 11

78.
@HendrikEbbers
What version of
JavaFX are you
using?

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX support - Azul
https://docs.azul.com/zulu/zulurelnotes/ZuluReleaseNotes/CVE_Fixes_November19.htm

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX support - Oracle
https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX support - Gluon
https://github.com/openjdk/jfx/blob/master/doc-files/release-notes-11.md

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX support - Bellsoft
https://bell-sw.com/pages/liberica-release-notes-11.0.5/

83.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 8 Issues
JDK-8215702
JDK-8215799
JDK-8213806
JDK-8218611
JDK-8217942
JDK-8207772
SVG gradients are not rendered
Complex text is not rendered by webkit on Windows
WebView - JVM crashes for given HTML
fast/xslt tests fails with "Unsupported encoding windows-1251" error
Upgrade to libxslt 1.1.33
File API and FileReader should be supported in WebView

84.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 8 Issues
Azul ZuluOracle JDK Amazon CorrettoGluon JavaFX
JDK-8215702
Bellsoft
JDK-8215799
JDK-8213806
JDK-8218611
JDK-8217942
JDK-8207772

85.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 8 @ AdoptOpenJDK
• We got often asked why we do not add JavaFX to
the Java 8 binaries
• We only want to provide secure / up-to-date
binaries
• There is not open source JavaFX 8 development

86.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 11 Issues
Azul ZuluOracle JDK Amazon CorrettoGluon JavaFX
JDK-8229328
Bellsoft
JDK-8222912
JDK-8133841
JDK-8218611
JDK-8217942
JDK-8207772
V12/13
v12/13
v12/13
v12/13
v12/13
v12/13
V11
V11
V11
V11
V11
V11

87.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 11+
• When using Java(FX) 11+ you should add JavaFX as
a dependency
• Using a JVM with integrated JavaFX is not the
preferred solution

88.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 11+
• Maybe Oracle is only interested in JavaFX until the
LTS support of Java 8 ends
• Today Oracle needs to contribute to JavaFX (based
on the commercial support for Java 8)

89.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 11+ binaries
JavaFX 11.0.1
JavaFX 12.0.1
JavaFX 12.0.2
JavaFX 11.0.2
JavaFX 13.0.1
JavaFX 13.0.2
JavaFX 14

90.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 11+ binaries
JavaFX 11.0.1
JavaFX 12.0.1
JavaFX 12.0.2
JavaFX 11.0.2 JavaFX 11.0.3 JavaFX 11.0.4 JavaFX 11.0.5
JavaFX 13.0.1
JavaFX 13.0.2
JavaFX 14
LTS LTS LTS
backported

91.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 11+ sources
JavaFX 11.0.1 JavaFX 11.0.2 JavaFX 11.0.3 JavaFX 11.0.4 JavaFX 11.0.5
JavaFX 12.0.1
JavaFX 12.0.2 JavaFX 13.0.1
JavaFX 13.0.2
JavaFX 14

92.
@HendrikEbbers
Kudos to

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Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 14+
• There is a good chance that JavaFX 14 will run with
Java 11
• No one knows if JavaFX 15 will still be compatible

94.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 14+
• If you want to stay on Java 11 you will need to pay
in future

95.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 14+
• If you want to stay on Java 11 you will need to pay
in future
• … or build JavaFX 11 on your own

96.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 14+
• If you want to stay on Java 11 you will need to pay
in future
• … or build JavaFX 11 on your own
• … or stay on an old version

97.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 14+
• If you want to stay on Java 11 you will need to pay
in future
• … or build JavaFX 11 on your own
• … or stay on an old version
• … or do a fork

98.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 14+
• If you want to stay on Java 11 you will need to pay
in future
• … or build JavaFX 11 on your own
• … or stay on an old version
• … or do a fork

99.
@HendrikEbbers

100.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
JavaFX 14+
• Best: buy commercial support today
• … no downgrade from JavaFX 14 to 11 needed in
future
• … your money will help to fix issues today

101.
@HendrikEbbers
If companies do not care
JavaFX will go away!

102.
@HendrikEbbers
Homework

103.
Karakun DevHub_
@HendrikEbbersdev.karakun.com
Homework
• Is my company interested in the future of JavaFX?
• Is my company interested in the future of Java
Desktop?

104.
@HendrikEbbers
Thanks!
Questions?

105.
@HendrikEbbers
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