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Crokers of Ballynaguarde: Saints
or Sinners?
Oral v Recorded History
Why does the recorded history
(Books & Journals etc…)
Contrast with the oral testimonies
concerning the Croker family of
B...
Who were the Crokers?
• When did they come to Ireland?
• Why did they come?
• With what authority did they come –
military...
• Established in Limerick in c.1641
• Fought in army of Charles I during the
1641 Rebellion against the English
Crown
• Cr...
Recorded History
• What are the pivotal moments in the
history of the Crokers?
• Politics?
• Marriage?
• Money & Power?
• ...
Oral Testimonies
• How did John Hare Croker react to the
famine in his area?
• Who were the wives of the Crokers?
Did they...
Truth or Myth?
Did the Croker’s pay their workers?
All wages are per month:
• Grooms: Between £1.2
shillings & £1.10 shill...
Oral v Recorded History
• Estate Workers
• Non-Estate Workers
• Last of the Crokers dies 1934
• Break-up of Ballynaguarde ...
Questions to debate
• Were the Crokers ‘Saints or Sinners’
• Were they a little of both?
• Do they deserve a bad name?
• M...
Estate Size c.1870
Ballynaguarde Castle c.1680
Ballynaguarde House 1856
by Jeremiah Hodges Mulcahy
Ballynaguarde House c.1950s
Fountain pool with statue of Neptune behind, circular flowerbeds in
lawn, two Pekinese dogs.
Statue of Hercules from the side, wearing toga, a large club
resting on a stump
Ionic wing Courtesy of Limerick City Museum
Ballynaguarde House 2008
Croker Coat of Arms
The Crokers of Ballinaguarde
The Crokers of Ballinaguarde
The Crokers of Ballinaguarde
The Crokers of Ballinaguarde
The Crokers of Ballinaguarde
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Slides accompanying lecture by Joseph Lennon at Limerick City Library on Tuesday 8th December 2009

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The Crokers of Ballinaguarde

  1. 1. Crokers of Ballynaguarde: Saints or Sinners? Oral v Recorded History
  2. 2. Why does the recorded history (Books & Journals etc…) Contrast with the oral testimonies concerning the Croker family of Ballynaguarde?
  3. 3. Who were the Crokers? • When did they come to Ireland? • Why did they come? • With what authority did they come – military or other - King or Cromwell? • Is this important; or does this matter to the oral tradition?
  4. 4. • Established in Limerick in c.1641 • Fought in army of Charles I during the 1641 Rebellion against the English Crown • Cromwell’s military actions - massacres & confiscations’ of land in Ireland still fresh in the Irish mindset.
  5. 5. Recorded History • What are the pivotal moments in the history of the Crokers? • Politics? • Marriage? • Money & Power? • How, or ‘did’ they use their influence to help local people?
  6. 6. Oral Testimonies • How did John Hare Croker react to the famine in his area? • Who were the wives of the Crokers? Did they always marry within their ‘own kind’? • Were they good landlords? • If not then WHY?
  7. 7. Truth or Myth? Did the Croker’s pay their workers? All wages are per month: • Grooms: Between £1.2 shillings & £1.10 shillings • Washerwoman: 11s to £1 • Handymen: £1.2s to £1.14s • When Croker was away he paid double wages on his return – sometimes triple These wages correlate with other estates of the time.
  8. 8. Oral v Recorded History • Estate Workers • Non-Estate Workers • Last of the Crokers dies 1934 • Break-up of Ballynaguarde Estate • Land Divided
  9. 9. Questions to debate • Were the Crokers ‘Saints or Sinners’ • Were they a little of both? • Do they deserve a bad name? • More importantly: Should Croker be viewed as ONE ENTITY – individual?
  10. 10. Estate Size c.1870
  11. 11. Ballynaguarde Castle c.1680
  12. 12. Ballynaguarde House 1856 by Jeremiah Hodges Mulcahy
  13. 13. Ballynaguarde House c.1950s
  14. 14. Fountain pool with statue of Neptune behind, circular flowerbeds in lawn, two Pekinese dogs.
  15. 15. Statue of Hercules from the side, wearing toga, a large club resting on a stump
  16. 16. Ionic wing Courtesy of Limerick City Museum
  17. 17. Ballynaguarde House 2008
  18. 18. Croker Coat of Arms

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