The Tesla SwitchUse for the Tesla SwitchDear Peter,Since you and Bedini have history you might know a thing or two about t...
So this post is kind of a double post. On the one hand I see the Tesla Switch having huge    advantages, but on the other ...
Yeah the name Tesla Switch is not too clear. Some seem to say/claim that Tesla used this 4 batteryflipping system in his r...
http://www.bildez.lv/bildes/jetijs/s...1187198552.gifThe batteries were 1.3Ah lead/acid type.The oscilator is not shown in...
Now I don’t want to sound greedy (lol) but I would be very interested in that report you say you    have. Well any additio...
Report on 4 Battery Switch   Quote:    Originally Posted by nali2001    Many thanks in advance for that document Peter (an...
Thank you Peter for making this happen! #9 (permalink) 08-27-2007, 08:56 PM                                               ...
Isn’t it funny how things work out sometimes?Isn’t it funny how things work out sometimes?I happen to get hold of the same...
StrangeStrange.It does work fine here.Maybe: right mouse click > Save link/target as" might work for your?Another link:htt...
Quote:    Originally Posted by nali2001    Hi Peter.    I have a question about the timing wheel disk (on page 14)    http...
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John Bedini | Radiant Energycan watch the reel to reel motor video on youtube. #5 (permalink) 08-17-2007, 04:14 AM        ...
the radiant energy capture circuit has to be separated from the drive circuit, but in the circuit below,this is clearly no...
I played with my roller skate motor for months before doing anything else. Not even trying tocharge anything with it. Will...
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This is a regular old Radio Shack lead-acid battery, 12V/7Ah. Im discharging it into a 350Winverter and powering a 25W bul...
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  1. 1. The Tesla SwitchUse for the Tesla SwitchDear Peter,Since you and Bedini have history you might know a thing or two about the Tesla Switch and alikesystems. I think these systems might be a good addition for these No-back emf motor designsespecially since they can be driven like dc low ohmic induction loads. Not much input is lost in theform of heat and such.For those who do not know what I am talking about read:THE TESLA SWITCHAndhttp://www.panaceauniversity.org/D3.pdfStart at page 25 (to 36)So this post is kind of a double post. On the one hand I see the Tesla Switch having hugeadvantages, but on the other hand, except for the Bedini page there is no real info to be foundanywhere about this system... Why? well Peter what is your take on the Tesla Switch, and in caseBedini is reading this, please feel free to jump in.Thanks!Steven #2 (permalink) 08-23-2007, 06:30 PM Join Date: Apr 2007Peter Lindemann Posts: 84Member My Profile4 Battery Switching Circuit Quote: Originally Posted by nali2001 Dear Peter, Since you and Bedini have history you might know a thing or two about the Tesla Switch and alike systems. I think these systems might be a good addition for these No-back emf motor designs especially since they can be driven like dc low ohmic induction loads. Not much input is lost in the form of heat and such. For those who do not know what I am talking about read: THE TESLA SWITCH And http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D3.pdf Start at page 25 (to 36) -1-
  2. 2. So this post is kind of a double post. On the one hand I see the Tesla Switch having huge advantages, but on the other hand, except for the Bedini page there is no real info to be found anywhere about this system... Why? well Peter what is your take on the Tesla Switch, and in case Bedini is reading this, please feel free to jump in. Thanks! StevenSteven,As can be seen in the first file, the original circuit was developed by Ronald Brandt. The 1983 dateof the Brandt circuit pre-dates Johns work on this system. Rons circuits used mechanical contactersas switches, but apparently worked quite well, as long as the contacters lasted. John was the first toadapt this circuit to solid-state switching, using the SG 1524 dual flip-flop functions and bipolartransistors as the switches. So, exactly why this is called the Tesla Switch is beyond me.John has told me that his "cigar box" unit ran a small electric motor for more than 6 months withoutdischarging the batteries AT ALL. He also told me that the original working model was smashed bya "guest" in his shop who was infuriated by its operation, while John was out of the room. At thispoint, he decided not to rebuild it. I know John personally, and have no reason to doubt this report.Obviously, the voltage drops in the transistors and diodes present a CONSTANT loss duringoperation, not to mention the energy dissipated at the load. Therefore, the system defies all standardexplanations and energy use equations. The batteries apparently stay charged and run loadssimultaneously for a reason that is not conventional.Since Ronald Brandt has run a car on this system, and John Bedini has run small motors onminiaturized version, it seems reasonable to assume it is worthy of more study by experimenters.I have a copy of a lengthy report, written by Eike Mueller, dated September 3, 1984 that discussestests of this system. Perhaps John would be willing to comment further on this at some point. Butmaybe he wont. After all, it was Johns demonstration of this system at the Tesla Conference in1984 that precipitated the events that culminated in having his life threatened if he continued hiswork on it.I know of no one who has had their life threatened for working on a technology that didnt work!Peter #3 (permalink) 08-23-2007, 08:46 PM Join Date: Apr 2007nali2001 Posts: 27Junior Member My ProfileHi Peter and thanks for the reply. -2-
  3. 3. Yeah the name Tesla Switch is not too clear. Some seem to say/claim that Tesla used this 4 batteryflipping system in his remote controlled boat or something.Now then I must say that at this point I’m not all that concerned about the over unity effect due tothe faster switching and electron thing. But the simplest version alone will be very interesting. Andcould indeed be used in electric vehicles and the like.To put it in laymen’s terms:Normally you run a load to a ground which stays 0v all the time so, it is an infinite sink. But in thissituation you replace this ground with a charging battery. So the first 12v battery powers the loaduntil the second battery has reached 6v. So both batteries are now at 6v. But connected in seriesthey are still 12v combined. Now you can discharge that 12v in series batteries AGAIN trough aload to a depleted battery. Until that one also reached 6v. Some test at overunity.com haveindicated that you can expect at least 50% more work form the same initial battery charge.One thing I also find somewhat hart to understand is how does this Tesla Switch battery swappingtechnique behave when the load converts all the ‘electricity’ to something else like heat. Does thatmean the secondary battery will not get a charge at all?And how does the energy balance look like when we use this battery swapping technique forpowering a low ohm, low heat loss (no back emf) motor, which runs a generator?Now I don’t want to sound greedy (lol) but I would be very interested in that report you say youhave. Well any additional info on this system for that matter. So if you want to share it please do. Iunderstand that it probably is not in ‘a digital form’ right now. So instead of typing the whole reportover. You could also just take pictures of the pages.So anyway if you feel like sharing you can just mail them to me (or post them here) It will be verymuch appreciated.One thing that always baffles me is the fact that every time things in this field needs to be re-tried. Imean there are so many ‘old’ Ideas like this Tesla Switch floating around and then again except fora few schematics no additional information or replications are to be found. Same with Ecklin stuffand such.Thanks and kind regards.Steven #4 (permalink) 08-24-2007, 12:09 AM Join Date: Aug 2007Jetijs Posts: 3Junior Member My ProfileHi allIm new here, but I already have attempted to make the Tesla switch. At that time I did not knowmuch about radiant energy and Bedini motors as I do now, thats why I did not have much success.My circuit looked like this: -3-
  4. 4. http://www.bildez.lv/bildes/jetijs/s...1187198552.gifThe batteries were 1.3Ah lead/acid type.The oscilator is not shown in this circuit. Slodze=Load. I tried asmall car bulb (1 Ohm) as a load. The bulb was powered through abridge rectifier (not shown in the circuit)First I tried the switch at a low frequency, about 10Hz, everythingseemed fine, the transistors got a little warm and the car bulblighted up, but not as bright as when in direct connection to abattery. Then I increased the frequency to about 250Hz. The bulbbrightness remained the same, the transistors felt a little warmer. Imeasured 4.3VDc across the bulb and 0.77Amps. But after few hours thethe light of the bulb turned weaker and slowly the amperage across thebulb dropped too.Now I know, that there are some problems with this circuit. First of all as Rick Friedrich said, Ishould have used NPN transistors instead of PNP because PNPs allow current through constantly,and NPN only when the trigger Base is gated. Also the load was too big for these batteries. The loadshould be such that the batteries are discharged in the c/20 rate. That means that the load shoulddraw only 65mA. This is because a larger current draw would cause heating in the batteries and thatis not good. Now I will try out the circuit with the NPN transistors:http://www.bildez.lv/bildes/jetijs/s...1187931758.gifHeres the complete circuit with the oscillator part.http://www.bildez.lv/bildes/jetijs/s...1187931936.gifMaybe it will help someone. Or maybe someone has anything to add?Edit: I read somewhere that the name "Tesla switch" is due to the fact, that Nikola Tesla gave thisinformation to a friend. Then later this friend of Tesla shared his knowledge with John Bedini. Fromhere this circuit is called a Tesla switch I do not know if that is how it actually happened.Thanks,JetijsLast edited by Jetijs : 08-24-2007 at 12:13 AM. #5 (permalink) 08-24-2007, 07:00 PM Join Date: Apr 2007Peter Lindemann Posts: 84Member My ProfileReport on 4 Battery Switcher Quote: Originally Posted by nali2001 Hi Peter and thanks for the reply. -4-
  5. 5. Now I don’t want to sound greedy (lol) but I would be very interested in that report you say you have. Well any additional info on this system for that matter. So if you want to share it please do. I understand that it probably is not in ‘a digital form’ right now. So instead of typing the whole report over. You could also just take pictures of the pages. So anyway if you feel like sharing you can just mail them to me (or post them here) It will be very much appreciated. Thanks and kind regards. StevenSteven,I spoke with John this morning concerning your request for a copy of the Eike Mueller Report. Hehas no problem with me posting it, but also said he would not be commenting on it in this forum, oranywhere else. He said he agrees with us, that Ron Brandt showed him the circuit and that hedoesnt even know why it was called the Tesla Switch.Ill scan the document into a .pdf file over the weekend and get Aaron to show me how to post it.Peter #6 (permalink) 08-24-2007, 08:47 PM Join Date: Apr 2007nali2001 Posts: 27Junior Member My ProfileMany thanks in advance for that document Peter (and John) the info and effort is much appreciated!I know I am being a pain (lol) but when you ever feel like releasing your old Flux motor or/andgenerator documentation/notes (you know, the "fluxgate generator thingy") Please let me know!Many thanks!Kind regardsSteven #7 (permalink) 08-26-2007, 08:27 PM Join Date: Apr 2007Peter Lindemann Posts: 84Member My Profile -5-
  6. 6. Report on 4 Battery Switch Quote: Originally Posted by nali2001 Many thanks in advance for that document Peter (and John) the info and effort is much appreciated! I know I am being a pain (lol) but when you ever feel like releasing your old Flux motor or/and generator documentation/notes (you know, the "fluxgate generator thingy") Please let me know! Many thanks! Kind regards StevenSteven,I scanned the report and sent it over to Aaron. He will post it in this forum so everyone candownload it. Its now in .pdf format. I scanned the file exactly as I have it. The font it was originallyprinted in is a little hard to read, and the pictures are pretty dark, being a copy of a copy. Somepages are not straight, as I have made no effort to clean it up.When I spoke to John, he told me that getting the circuit to work is a real pain. The circuit controllermust be able to produce a perfect 50%-50% flip-flop. The "cigar box" unit used Ni-Cad batteries,which is why they are labeled as 5 volts (4 x 1.25 volts each). The final working model used the2N5885 transistor instead of the 2N3055H as listed. The control chip was the SG 3524 instead ofthe SG 3984 as listed. The system switched slowly, at no more that 20 CPS.Thats it. Have fun.Peter #8 (permalink) 08-27-2007, 02:32 AM Join Date: Feb 2007 Aaron Location: Washington State Energetic Scientist Posts: 1,037 My ProfileReport on Visit to John Bedini - Report on 4 Battery SwitchHere is the document, it is available atJohn Bedini | Radiant EnergyReport on Visit to John Bedini - Report on 4 Battery Switch -6-
  7. 7. Thank you Peter for making this happen! #9 (permalink) 08-27-2007, 08:56 PM Join Date: Apr 2007nali2001 Posts: 27Junior Member My ProfileThanksThank you Peter, John and Aaron for making the document public.Is Eike Mueller still with us? I mean it would be interesting to have him comment on this as well?Hopefully people will do the experiments. It is not really that hard to build a simple proof ofconcept relay based switching system. And it would allow for energy ‘recycling’ at the very least.And so provide a way to get better battery efficiency for virtually every application.I mean you could use it to run a 90% efficient motor and recharge the second battery even if it isonly a little, which would normally be send back to the same battery to destroy the dipole. (Correctme if I don’t make sense) So with this ‘recycling’ you can make nearly every motor into an o.udevice when you look at the total energy balance. Although I must say that some things likeradiated heat and back emf are tricky to include. I mean is radiated head from a bulb ‘lost’ or not?Wouldn’t that mean that a 100% efficient heating element will not put a charge into the secondbattery at all?I always find it amazing that such ‘simple’ devices are kind of ‘unheard of’ and untouched by nextto all researchers.Hopefully this information will spark some interest and research again (after like 20+ years?)Again thanks for the info!It is much appreciated!Kind regardsSteven #10 (permalink) 08-28-2007, 11:20 AM Join Date: Apr 2007nali2001 Posts: 27Junior Member My Profile -7-
  8. 8. Isn’t it funny how things work out sometimes?Isn’t it funny how things work out sometimes?I happen to get hold of the same document but of better quality than perhaps Peters own original.Check it out.http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Mueller.pdfKind regards,Steven #11 (permalink) 08-28-2007, 04:31 PM Join Date: Apr 2007Peter Lindemann Posts: 84Member My ProfileNeed ID to access Quote: Originally Posted by nali2001 Isn’t it funny how things work out sometimes? I happen to get hold of the same document but of better quality than perhaps Peters own original. Check it out. http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Mueller.pdf Kind regards, StevenSteven,The link doesnt work if you dont have a log-in ID. See if you can download the document intoyour computer and then have Aaron upload the new version here.Peter #12 (permalink) 08-28-2007, 04:50 PM Join Date: Apr 2007nali2001 Posts: 27Junior Member My Profile -8-
  9. 9. StrangeStrange.It does work fine here.Maybe: right mouse click > Save link/target as" might work for your?Another link:http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/Mueller.pdfI must admit that viewing this document online in a web browser does not always work. Sodownloading it first will do the trick.If this still does not work for you I can sent it to Aeron. But I dont have his mail address.Steven #13 (permalink) 08-29-2007, 09:45 AM Join Date: Apr 2007nali2001 Posts: 27Junior Member My ProfileOverlapping switching contacts?Hi Peter.I have a question about the timing wheel disk (on page 14)http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Overlap.jpgI can understand that John says 50-50 switching is important. But unless it is some kind of mistake Ido not really understand why the top part of the switching disk is in fact overlapping, and the lowerpart is not?Any ideas?Thanks and Kind regards,Steven #14 (permalink) 08-30-2007, 12:57 AM Join Date: Apr 2007Peter Lindemann Posts: 84Member My ProfileCircuit Variations..... -9-
  10. 10. Quote: Originally Posted by nali2001 Hi Peter. I have a question about the timing wheel disk (on page 14) http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/Overlap.jpg I can understand that John says 50-50 switching is important. But unless it is some kind of mistake I do not really understand why the top part of the switching disk is in fact overlapping, and the lower part is not? Any ideas? Thanks and Kind regards, StevenSteven,In any investigation of this type, the best way to approach it is to DECIDE in your own mind whatthe operating principle of the system is. THEN, see if the information supports your hypothesis. Ifyour hypothesis is correct, the evidence should support it. Such as, Johns LAST statement that a50%-50% switching is necessary for the system to work. If this is taken as the working hypothesis,then the drawing of the mechanical commutator with one side over-lapping and one side not shouldbe interpreted as an error.If you think that all of the batteries can attain an EQUAL charge condition when the switching isUNEQUAL, then believe whatever you want.Am I getting through to you?????Trust yourself! You have the ability to think it through.Peter04-26-2007, 11:55 PM Join Date: Feb 2007 Aaron Location: Washington State Energetic Scientist Posts: 1,037 My ProfileBedini SG SimplifiedBedini SG discussion here. For single or multi coil and/or multi strand. The simplified version tocharge batts without the cap setup. - 10 -
  11. 11. #2 (permalink) 05-09-2007, 10:35 PM Join Date: Feb 2007 Aaron Location: Washington State Energetic Scientist Posts: 1,037 My ProfileJohn Bedini | Radiant EnergyJohn Bedini | Radiant Energy #3 (permalink) 06-14-2007, 12:52 AM Join Date: Feb 2007 Aaron Location: Washington State Energetic Scientist Posts: 1,037 My ProfileAarons SGA Bedini circuit I built with a reel to reel motor John gave mea few years ago.Pretty cool and interesting SG. Very fast and very efficient.Charges batts pretty good. I never measured efficiency. If I put1 batt bank on the output or 4, it doesnt really change the inputit doesnt care. Of course can grab the shaft to increase the loadand the input does not increase.5000 rpm it draws 1 amp avg10,000 rpm it draws only 1/5 of an amp avgVideo clip:http://www.esmhome.org/library/aaron...i/aaron-sg.wmv #4 (permalink) 06-18-2007, 08:38 AM Join Date: Feb 2007 Aaron Location: Washington State Energetic Scientist Posts: 1,037 My Profileyoutube video - 11 -
  12. 12. John Bedini | Radiant Energycan watch the reel to reel motor video on youtube. #5 (permalink) 08-17-2007, 04:14 AM Join Date: Jul 2007Shamus Location: EarthJunior Member Posts: 22 My Profile Some musings...@Kevin: I would strongly encourage you to do it an hour at a time if you have to, and please postprogress reports! And yes, Ive gotten bit by the high voltage coming off the power coil morethan once!Well, since Im kinda stuck at the moment waiting for magnet wire to arrive before I can finishbuilding the current machine, I thought Id post a few thoughts on it--even though only one coil ispresent, its got a diode hanging off the collector, so it counts in my opinion. The schematicbelow shows its current state.Yes, curiosity got the better of me and Ive tried charging 1.5V AA cells as part of a 6V battery. Itseems to work somewhat, though I havent done any rigorous testing. I did notice that the rotorslows down when theres a battery in the charge position. Interesting! I know that you probablywont get optimum results using these types of cells, but it seems to me that if the negentropyprocess that Tom and John talk about in the provisional patent application listed in Free EnergyGeneration is correct, then it should be possible to charge these kinds of cells as well. Just athought.Another interesting thing that Ive seen (er, heard) with this machine is what I call the hum. Onetime, before I soldered the components in place, I had to re-hookup the parts because they hadwiggled loose. Once I had them connected back together and connected power (without a chargingbattery hooked up) I noticed a fairly loud hum coming out of the coil! The coil wasnt heating upand the neither was the transistor, but it pushed the magnets of the rotor out of the way so that thecoil was in the middle of two magnets. Interesting! The hum stopped immediately as I disconnectedthe battery. After I connected power again, the hum started again. This time, I tried to see if therewas anything coming off the diode but the meter reading was inconclusive. Strangest of all, when Iconnected a battery to the charging position the hum stopped as well. Curiouser and curiouser...After I disconnected the charge battery the hum didnt come back, but it did come back a whilelater. It seems to be a bit capricious, this hum. I did notice that it was much easier to get the rotorspinning up to speed when the coil was humming versus when it wasnt. It seems these machinesare full of surprises. And maybe I didnt notice it before, but it seems that theres also a faint humin the coil of the first machine that I built as well.A question comes to mind about this circuit In the PPA in Free Energy Generation its stressed that - 12 -
  13. 13. the radiant energy capture circuit has to be separated from the drive circuit, but in the circuit below,this is clearly not the case. Also, I have strong reason to believe that the circuit below works well (Ican elaborate if necessary ), although some changes in the resistor are probably needed foroptimum operation. It could be that Im missing something obvious--after all, Im stillexperimenting and learning this stuff first hand and trying to make sense of it all.Attached Images bedini-ssg-small.png (19.3 KB, 26 views)Last edited by Shamus : 08-17-2007 at 02:33 PM. Reason: Forget something/typos... #6 (permalink) 08-17-2007, 04:27 AM Join Date: Feb 2007 Aaron Location: Washington State Energetic Scientist Posts: 1,037 My ProfileShamus SGVery Cool! Schematic looks good. Very nice bare bones ssg.Those alkaline batts arent the best but they can be charged at least a few times from my experiencebefore having to throw them away. Id recommend using some 6v and/or 12v gel cell batts...theblack body type you can get at radio shack or elsewhere.Those are good to learn with.The hum you discovered is the circuit is self oscillating at high frequency. Most likely this is whatis happening If you have a scope on it you will see something like this pic - 13 -
  14. 14. I played with my roller skate motor for months before doing anything else. Not even trying tocharge anything with it. Will learn a lot more if you just get obsessed about the bare basic modelfirst without doing anything else. In my opinion. #7 (permalink) 08-26-2007, 01:20 PM Join Date: Jul 2007Shamus Location: EarthJunior Member Posts: 22 My Profile Preliminary results with big battery@Aaron: Thanks for the clarification. I think Ive learned what I need to from the SG by itself--needless to say, theres probably more secrets in that thing than Ive found so far. It continues tosurprise me, especially in light of how simple it appears. Im sure youre probably aware of JohnBedinis sense of urgency in wanting people to learn the technology (as expressed in this message).I have every reason to believe that hes right, and mostly from what Ive been seeing fromindependent sources. The time is short. And Im sure youd agree that this isnt the place to discusssuch things.At any rate, Ive started some preliminary load testing, and the data so far is encouraging. Underthe first load test, the battery took about 45 minutes to discharge down to 12.00V (under a 25W loadrunning from a voltage inverter). Charging took about 30 hours to get it up to 13.46V (have toretune the thing for a PSU). Running another load test, the battery took about 60 minutes todischarge down to 12.00V under the same load. So theres something very interesting going on here.Ill post more details as testing progresses. - 14 -
  15. 15. #8 (permalink) 08-26-2007, 10:42 PM Join Date: Feb 2007 Aaron Location: Washington State Energetic Scientist Posts: 1,037 My Profileconditioning battsHi Shamus,Sounds like great progress. The capacity of your battery is growing as you condition them. You areliterally changing the properties of the battery. Should grow in capacity and take less and less timeto charge up to the same level.John has known the urgency for years but it isnt until recent times that people are paying attention.With gas prices going up and insane politics, people are starting to pay attention.The Bedini technology and water fuel cell technology are my two favorite ones to focus on. #9 (permalink) 08-30-2007, 04:16 PM Join Date: Jul 2007Shamus Location: EarthJunior Member Posts: 22 My Profile Latest resultsWell, Im in round four of charging and things havent been coming along as well as I had hoped.Im not going to stop here until I see a solid trend, but the preliminaries thus far are not encouraging.That and the fact that it takes about 30-40 hours for one charge cycle!Load times are staying fairly flat so far. Heres the numbers so far: Code: Charge T Chg End V Ld St V Load T -------- --------- ------- ------ 12.85 00:44 32:50 13.46 13.34 00:57 29:48 13.47 13.36 00:48 40:20 13.89 13.52 01:03 - 15 -
  16. 16. This is a regular old Radio Shack lead-acid battery, 12V/7Ah. Im discharging it into a 350Winverter and powering a 25W bulb for load testing. Its strange: Once it gets up to around 13.30Vthe charging seems to hit a wall--only gaining 0.01V per hour. Now Ive read where John Bedinisays that the number of turns on the coil isnt important, nor its size. Maybe Im getting some cross-conduction on my transistor (since its 2N3055, which John considers junk)? I dont know how tocheck for that. John also says that you want the highest resistance on the base so that you get thehighest RPM for the lowest current. Currently the RPM on my circuit is fairly high, and the baseresistance is right around 1100 ohm.Anyway, Ill post more results as they slooooowly come in.NOTE: The missing data in the graph around hours 9-10 and 16-22 are due to an outside obligationat the time and the need for sleep.Attached Images charge-cycle-4-partial.jpg (31.6 KB, 6 views)Last edited by Shamus : 08-30-2007 at 04:35 PM. Reason: Missing info... :-P #10 (permalink) 08-31-2007, 09:53 AM Join Date: Feb 2007 Aaron Location: Washington State Energetic Scientist Posts: 1,037 My Profilewill speed upHi Shamus, on these smaller systems, the charging will be much slower, but usually after manyrounds of conditioning, the charging back up will get quicker and quicker.A 5 coil setup (4 power 1 trigger) of about 18 guage 100 feet long each is for more practicalapplication but before doing that in my opinion...getting the whole personality of the motor youhave down is very crucial, in my opinion. - 16 -

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