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  • 1. Please Forget You Knew My Name: Secretly Influenced by the Dead
    • Christian Crumlish
    • Curator, Design Pattern Library, Yahoo!
    • Board of Directors, Information Architecture Institute
    • AB, Princeton University, 1986
  • 2. Cool to Uncool and Back Again
    • 1960s cool
      • 1970s becoming uncool
        • 1980s depends on who you ask
          • 1990s and the floodgates
  • 3. 1960s
    • The Allman Brothers
    • Bob Dylan
    • Yes
    • (not Pink Floyd)
  • 4. The Allman Brothers rec.music.gdead circa Mar 19 1994 Subject: Re: Dead Allmans Kenny Schachat wrote: I saw some of the Allmans in the audience at several Dead shows around 69-71. They seemed just as blown away as the rest of us. There's no doubt that the Dead influenced them and I'm sure that the Dead heard them as well.
  • 5. The Allman Brothers 1996/08/27 Primal Dead at the Fillmore East: February 1970 Steve Silberman: ...extended "Mountain Jam," a cheerful theme borrowed by the Allmans from the Dead, who had themselves lifted it from Donovan's "There is A Mountain. (The Allmans' performances at the Fillmore shows have recently been slotted for release.) Barry Welch: I don't recall ever hearing of the Dead doing Donovan's "Mountain Jam" before this. Can anyone provide venue/dates or better yet tapes? Gary Lambert: You can hear Garcia quoting "There Is A Mountain" on “Anthem Of The Sun,” in the jam out of “Alligator.”
  • 6. Bob Dylan This Wheel's On Fire, Levon Helm, Morrow, 1993 (p 228) (after the Academy of Music show, NYE 1970/1971, Band with Dylan) ...The crowd loved it, and feelings were running high. They shouted along with the chorus-- "How does it feel?"--and even our new horn section came back onstage and sang with Bob on that final number. After the show I said to Bob, "When are we gonna go on the road together again?" He looked surprised. "I'm thinking of touring with the Dead," Bob said. "Well, keep us in mind," I told him.
  • 7. Yes Peter Banks’ biography “Beyond and Before” (p 83): "Surprisingly enough, another big influence on Yes was the second album by the Grateful Dead, “Anthem of the Sun.” There's a song on there called "That 's it for the Other One," which remarkably sounds Yes-like in the vocals, and in the kind of punctuatino stabs done in a kind of orchestral way. I used to love that album because it was so psychedelic." ...via Rob Weiner (to Thedeadwoodsociety, Jan 7):
  • 8. 1970s
    • Patti Smith
    • Tom Verlaine
    • Elvis Costello, Bruce Thomas
  • 9. Patti Smith
    • Implied
    • Stones early influence
    • opening for the Dead in the '70s
    • recording of Black Peter when she heard Jerry died
    • performing with Hunter
    • writing, recording of “Grateful”
  • 10. Tom Verlaine The unreliable Dave Marsh, Rolling Stone Record Guide: "But Marquee Moon showed the group as the exclusive project of guitarist Tom Verlaine, an interesting Jerry Garcia influenced guitarist who lacked melodic ideas or any emotional sensibility." Steve Morse “The New York-based Verlaine has no peers in his extension of late-'60s psychedelic music, which featured similar mind-probing, meditative guitar work. It is plainly evident he has studied the more cerebral guitarists of that era - Country Joe McDonald, the Doors' Robbie Kreiger, the Grateful Dead's Jerry Garcia and the Quicksilver Messenger Service's John Cipollina.”
  • 11. Tom Verlaine Robert Christgau ...Verlaine's hand-looped excursions. These now recall Neil Young and even Jerry Garcia more than nascent new wavers would have dreamed at the time, only Verlaine got an unfashionably mellow sound out of the Jazzcaster and other Fender classics he favored--Young's was rawer, Garcia's cleaner. http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/cdrev/televisi-tra.php
  • 12. Elvis Costello
    • Elvis’s childhood and later
    • Original Attractions bass player Bruce Thomas, citing Phil influence in a post-Touch magazine article.
  • 13. 1980s
    • The SST Scene
      • “ The Missing Link between Hippie and Punk”
      • The Meat Puppets: Curt Kirkwood
      • Black Flag: Henry Rollins, Greg Ginn
    • Phish (duh)
    • Camper Van Beethoven
    • Bob Dylan (again)
  • 14. The Meat Puppets "I'm coming out of the closet, hard" - AJD interview Curt Kirkwood’s MySpace page lists these “Influences”: all the great country legends and..., The Stooges, Jimi Hendrix, The Germs, ZZ Top, Neil Young, The Clash, Black Flag, The Ramones, Big Star, Led Zeppelin, George Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Funkadelic, Crazy Horse, The Sex Pistols, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, The Grateful Dead, Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart Roadies’ boomboxes (anecdotal)
  • 15. Black Flag Greg Ginn (Black Flag guitarist) put some ad in Maximum Rock'n'Roll (major punk zine that hated hippies) where he extolled the virtues of the Dead. Henry Rollins' book called "Get In The Van," is a collection of his writings from his days with Black Flag, entry from 9/17/85: "I saw the Grateful Dead two days ago down in Chula Vista. They were amazing. That was one of the best shows I've seen in a while. Man, they can play. That was the best sound system I have ever heard. They played a long time. It was great. I'd go see them again in a second." Phillip Zerbo in rmgd: The second night of Alpine Valley in '86... 'hey man, that's Henry Rollins...' We struck up a conversation, and he just went on and on about how cool the Dead were.
  • 16. Phish
    • context (Max Creek, Living Earth)
    • the Princeton incident
    • First couple of sets
    • Early songs (Runaway Jim, Wedge)
    • denial - career purposes
    • an High Sierra anecdote
  • 17. Camper Van Beethoven
    • still punk vs. hippie
    • hybrids
    • Led Zeppelin (middle eastern mashups)
    • Interstellar Overdrive -> Kashmir -> IO
    • Loser
  • 18. Bob Dylan redux
    • not so secretly, the neverending tour, pink section interview (biography - less so)
    • liner notes from albums (Two Soldiers, Handsome Cabin Boy, Jackaroe)
    • eulogy (“To me he wasn't only a musician and friend, he was more like a big brother who taught and showed me more than he'll ever know.”)
  • 19. 1990s and beyond
    • Paul McCartney
    • Floodgates
  • 20. Paul McCartney
    • Inspired by Jerry and the Dead to tour again
    • Lynda’s photos - film
    • um, me?
  • 21. When the Secrets All are Told
    • moe., Leftover Salmon, String Cheese Incident, et al.
    • High Sierra example
      • Insight: Old & In the Way "preserved bluegrass," bearing the culture forward
      • Grateful Dawg with Grisman/Lindley, Lindley's “Minglewood”
      • Nods to the Dead everywhere.
  • 22. A Plug for a Grateful Dead Wiki Wiki the Flood http://thedeadbeat.com/theflood/