Rose & Young <ul><li>Nov 16th 2011 </li></ul><ul><li>ABC/ Rose & Young Focus Group </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Julia Church </li...
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Rose & Young to Date John Young R&Y Mercedes  Early 1970’s Built 1930’s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family R&Y moves to Redhi...
Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000  Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M 1996/2001  TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parke...
Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000  Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M 1996/2001  TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parke...
Rose & Young to Date 2008. New ‘Mixed Use” rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of cont...
Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000  Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M John Young R&Y Mercedes  Early 1980’s Built 1930’s Caterh...
Rose & Young <ul><li>Present & Future </li></ul><ul><li>Conclusion 17 yrs being empty, no current planning consent, owners...
Obstacles <ul><li>Owners and ownership/Deadlock </li></ul><ul><li>Planning consent </li></ul><ul><li>Change of use & scale...
Possible Solutions <ul><ul><li>Owner develops themselves - forced or otherwise </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>CPO process init...
Other ideas <ul><li>Temporary </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Wall art </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Car park </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Bi...
How can Councillors help? <ul><li>Endorse getting an opinion by Tandridge on CPO </li></ul><ul><li>Build confidence and pr...
Next steps <ul><li>Share info with Planning </li></ul><ul><li>TDC start to be pro-active.  </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Town Cent...
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  • Background Economic Data Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
  • Owners do not appear in any hurry to sell.
  • Simon Flatt to speak on slides
  • Many ideas have been suggested. We are aware of several current opportunities &amp; introduced to owners and planning.
  • There had been significant pressure to find a solution at various times. Public opinion and the opportunity to lift the town’s economy and amenity are as strong as ever. Currently we are at an impasse and need fresh pressure from councillors to take this forward. The community will have an opportunity to consider and through a Neighbourhood Plan should have new powers to focus attention and effort as new legislation becomes effective during 2012.
  • R&Y focus group2011

    1. 1. Rose & Young <ul><li>Nov 16th 2011 </li></ul><ul><li>ABC/ Rose & Young Focus Group </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Julia Church </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Andrew Browne </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Malcolm Clark </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Simon Flatt </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Marc Hansen </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Chris Windridge </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Images by Simon Flatt </li></ul>
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    9. 9. Rose & Young to Date John Young R&Y Mercedes Early 1970’s Built 1930’s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family R&Y moves to Redhill 1994
    10. 10. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 1997 Planning for Office 3,400 M2. 4 flrs parking Bought & sold during town study. Young sells for £900K Resold to Cat Prop R&Y moves to Redhill 1994 Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at £600K by TDC
    11. 11. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 2004/ 2006 Demolition threat & Condition actions by TDC. Fine. ABC formed in 2006. Survey 2007 Backs action Nov 2003 Office Planning Renewed WC issue Client walks Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at £600K by TDC
    12. 12. Rose & Young to Date 2008. New ‘Mixed Use” rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of contact to Powers Oct 2008 R&Y listed in Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub plans stall. Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others. “ Power” says he is in charge and “The Owner”. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to be submitted. Appears to be a significantly larger development Bank of Ireland £1.9M loan & NAMA. Localism Bill & Plan Oct 09/11 Recent talks with owner, GB + 1. CPO to force issue?
    13. 13. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M John Young R&Y Mercedes Early 1980’s Built 1930’s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 2004/ 2006 Demolition threat & Condition actions by TDC. Fine. ABC formed in 2006. Survey 2007 Backs action 1997 Planning for Office 3,400 M2. 4 flrs parking Bought & sold during town study. Young sells for £900K Resold to Cat Prop R&Y moves to Redhill 1994 Nov 2003 Office Planning Renewed WC issue Client walks Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at £600K by TDC 2008. New ‘Mixed Use” rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of contact to Powers Oct 2008 R&Y listed in Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub plans stall. Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others. “ Power” says he is in charge and “The Owner”. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to be submitted. Appears to be a significantly larger development Bank of Ireland £1.9M loan & NAMA. Localism Bill & Plan Oct 09/11 Recent talks with owner, GB + 1. CPO to force issue?
    14. 14. Rose & Young <ul><li>Present & Future </li></ul><ul><li>Conclusion 17 yrs being empty, no current planning consent, ownership Queries and owners unresponsive to market enquiries. </li></ul><ul><li>No rates </li></ul><ul><li>Damage to town </li></ul><ul><li>Lost opportunity </li></ul>
    15. 15. Obstacles <ul><li>Owners and ownership/Deadlock </li></ul><ul><li>Planning consent </li></ul><ul><li>Change of use & scale? </li></ul><ul><li>Lack of Leadership from TDC </li></ul><ul><li>Councils experience of CPO </li></ul><ul><li>Money </li></ul><ul><li>Climate </li></ul>
    16. 16. Possible Solutions <ul><ul><li>Owner develops themselves - forced or otherwise </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>CPO process initiated to unblock situation </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Owner sells to a +ve developer </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Neighbourhood plan backs action </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>CPO backed by TDC, with funding options available. </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Any other feasible uses? </li></ul></ul>
    17. 17. Other ideas <ul><li>Temporary </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Wall art </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Car park </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Bigger Picture </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Planning land swap Joint Venture </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Mixed use </li></ul><ul><li>Showroom </li></ul><ul><li>Listing/heritage </li></ul><ul><li>  Health/Hotel/Cinema    Hub/Start up units </li></ul>
    18. 18. How can Councillors help? <ul><li>Endorse getting an opinion by Tandridge on CPO </li></ul><ul><li>Build confidence and pressure on colleagues for action </li></ul><ul><li>Be Community champions </li></ul><ul><li>Councillors to push for higher priority & profile </li></ul><ul><li>Let’s make it happen </li></ul>
    19. 19. Next steps <ul><li>Share info with Planning </li></ul><ul><li>TDC start to be pro-active. </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Town Centre working group? </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>TDC get legal view on CPO viability </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Planners to push for visibility of plans or face consequences (CPO) </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>commercial assessment? </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Wall art, plans or other community/clean up </li></ul><ul><li>A Neighbourhood Plan is coming </li></ul><ul><li>Ask for a meeting with owner, with TDC, councillors and town group . </li></ul>
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