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Local Briefing. Since this presentation, Tandridge District Council has announced support for CPO action if a suitable development comes forward and in September 2012 has issued a notice requiring......

Local Briefing. Since this presentation, Tandridge District Council has announced support for CPO action if a suitable development comes forward and in September 2012 has issued a notice requiring site improvements, or it will apply for a demolition order.

In 2013 a Task and Finish group has been set up by Tandridge District Council, to provide a report covering policy and potential actions. Various groups are involved in providing evidence and feedback, including the original R&Y focus group and the CR3 Forum.

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  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
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  • 1. Rose & Young
    • Nov 16th 2011
    • ABC/ Rose & Young Focus Group
      • Julia Church
      • Andrew Browne
      • Malcolm Clark
      • Simon Flatt
      • Marc Hansen
      • Chris Windridge
  • 2. Rose & Young
  • 3. Rose & Young
  • 4. Rose & Young
  • 5. Rose & Young
  • 6. Rose & Young
  • 7. Rose & Young
  • 8. Rose & Young
  • 9. Rose & Young to Date John Young R&Y Mercedes Early 1980’s Built 1930’s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family R&Y moves to Redhill 1994
  • 10. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 1997 Planning for Office 3,400 M2. 4 flrs parking Bought & sold during town study. Young sells for £900K Resold to Cat Prop R&Y moves to Redhill 1994 Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at £600K by TDC
  • 11. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 2004/ 2006 Demolition threat & Condition actions by TDC. Fine. ABC formed in 2006. Survey 2007 Backs action Nov 2003 Office Planning Renewed WC issue Client walks Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at £600K by TDC
  • 12. Rose & Young to Date 2008. New ‘Mixed Use” rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of contact to Powers Oct 2008 R&Y listed in Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub plans stall. Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others. “ Power” says he is in charge and “The Owner”. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to be submitted. Appears to be a significantly larger development Bank of Ireland £1.9M loan & NAMA. Localism Bill & Plan Oct 09/11 Recent talks with owner, GB + 1. CPO to force issue?
  • 13. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M John Young R&Y Mercedes Early 1980’s Built 1930’s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 2004/ 2006 Demolition threat & Condition actions by TDC. Fine. ABC formed in 2006. Survey 2007 Backs action 1997 Planning for Office 3,400 M2. 4 flrs parking Bought & sold during town study. Young sells for £900K Resold to Cat Prop R&Y moves to Redhill 1994 Nov 2003 Office Planning Renewed WC issue Client walks Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at £600K by TDC 2008. New ‘Mixed Use” rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of contact to Powers Oct 2008 R&Y listed in Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub plans stall. Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others. “ Power” says he is in charge and “The Owner”. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to be submitted. Appears to be a significantly larger development Bank of Ireland £1.9M loan & NAMA. Localism Bill & Plan Oct 09/11 Recent talks with owner, GB + 1. CPO to force issue?
  • 14. Rose & Young
    • Present & Future
    • Conclusion 17 yrs being empty, no current planning consent, ownership Queries and owners unresponsive to market enquiries.
    • No rates
    • Damage to town
    • Lost opportunity
  • 15. Obstacles
    • Owners and ownership/Deadlock
    • Planning consent
    • Change of use & scale?
    • Lack of Leadership from TDC
    • Councils experience of CPO
    • Money
    • Climate
  • 16. Possible Solutions
    • Owner develops themselves - forced or otherwise
    • CPO process initiated to unblock situation
    • Owner sells to a +ve developer
    • Neighbourhood plan backs action
    • CPO backed by TDC, with funding options available.
    • Any other feasible uses?
  • 17. Other ideas
    • Mixed use
    • Showroom
    • Listing/heritage
    • Health/Hotel/Cinema/Hub/Start up units
    • Temporary
      • Wall art
      • Car park
    • Bigger Picture - Planning land swap - Joint Venture
  • 18. How can Councillors help?
    • Endorse getting an opinion by Tandridge on CPO
    • Build confidence and pressure on colleagues for action
    • Be Community champions
    • Councillors to push for higher priority & profile
    • Let’s make it happen
  • 19. Next steps
    • Share info with Planning
    • TDC start to be pro-active.
      • Town Centre working group?
      • TDC get legal view on CPO viability
      • Planners to push for visibility of plans or face consequences (CPO)
      • commercial assessment?
    • Wall art, plans or other community/clean up
    • A Neighbourhood Plan is coming
    • Ask for a meeting with owner, with TDC, councillors and town group .