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Rose & Young <ul><li>Nov 16th 2011 </li></ul><ul><li>ABC/ Rose & Young Focus Group </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Julia Church </li...
Rose & Young
Rose & Young
Rose & Young
Rose & Young
Rose & Young
Rose & Young
Rose & Young
Rose & Young to Date John Young R&Y Mercedes  Early 1980’s Built 1930’s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family R&Y moves to Redhi...
Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000  Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M 1996/2001  TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parke...
Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000  Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M 1996/2001  TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parke...
Rose & Young to Date 2008. New ‘Mixed Use” rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of cont...
Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000  Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M John Young R&Y Mercedes  Early 1980’s Built 1930’s Caterh...
Rose & Young <ul><li>Present & Future </li></ul><ul><li>Conclusion 17 yrs being empty, no current planning consent, owners...
Obstacles <ul><li>Owners and ownership/Deadlock </li></ul><ul><li>Planning consent </li></ul><ul><li>Change of use & scale...
Possible Solutions <ul><li>Owner develops themselves - forced or otherwise </li></ul><ul><li>CPO process initiated to unbl...
Other ideas <ul><li>Mixed use </li></ul><ul><li>Showroom </li></ul><ul><li>Listing/heritage </li></ul><ul><li>Health/Hotel...
How can Councillors help? <ul><li>Endorse getting an opinion by Tandridge on CPO </li></ul><ul><li>Build confidence and pr...
Next steps <ul><li>Share info with Planning </li></ul><ul><li>TDC start to be pro-active.  </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Town Cent...
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Local Briefing. Since this presentation, Tandridge District Council has announced support for CPO action if a suitable development comes forward and in September 2012 has issued a notice requiring site improvements, or it will apply for a demolition order.

In 2013 a Task and Finish group has been set up by Tandridge District Council, to provide a report covering policy and potential actions. Various groups are involved in providing evidence and feedback, including the original R&Y focus group and the CR3 Forum.

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  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
  • Same as last slide Retail Market shares: Local 25% (50% of shoppers) Area 6% (25% of shoppers) Trip 2% (15% of shoppers) Retail Potential : Local £115M (£ 28M) Area £230M ( £15M) Trip £412M ( £8M) Town Actual £50M Town extra 1% (£1M + £2M + £4M) So, 75% of those living locally do retail shopping elsewhere . Approx £150M a year.
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    1. 1. Rose & Young <ul><li>Nov 16th 2011 </li></ul><ul><li>ABC/ Rose & Young Focus Group </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Julia Church </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Andrew Browne </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Malcolm Clark </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Simon Flatt </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Marc Hansen </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Chris Windridge </li></ul></ul>
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    9. 9. Rose & Young to Date John Young R&Y Mercedes Early 1980’s Built 1930’s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family R&Y moves to Redhill 1994
    10. 10. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 1997 Planning for Office 3,400 M2. 4 flrs parking Bought & sold during town study. Young sells for £900K Resold to Cat Prop R&Y moves to Redhill 1994 Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at £600K by TDC
    11. 11. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 2004/ 2006 Demolition threat & Condition actions by TDC. Fine. ABC formed in 2006. Survey 2007 Backs action Nov 2003 Office Planning Renewed WC issue Client walks Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at £600K by TDC
    12. 12. Rose & Young to Date 2008. New ‘Mixed Use” rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of contact to Powers Oct 2008 R&Y listed in Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub plans stall. Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others. “ Power” says he is in charge and “The Owner”. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to be submitted. Appears to be a significantly larger development Bank of Ireland £1.9M loan & NAMA. Localism Bill & Plan Oct 09/11 Recent talks with owner, GB + 1. CPO to force issue?
    13. 13. Rose & Young to Date Nov 2000 Cat Properties Buy R&Y site £1.4M John Young R&Y Mercedes Early 1980’s Built 1930’s Caterham Motor Co Rootes Family 1996/2001 TDC Development Brief McAlpine & Hillier Parker 2004/ 2006 Demolition threat & Condition actions by TDC. Fine. ABC formed in 2006. Survey 2007 Backs action 1997 Planning for Office 3,400 M2. 4 flrs parking Bought & sold during town study. Young sells for £900K Resold to Cat Prop R&Y moves to Redhill 1994 Nov 2003 Office Planning Renewed WC issue Client walks Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at £600K by TDC 2008. New ‘Mixed Use” rumours. Social Housing provision hits & talk of splitting site. Switch of contact to Powers Oct 2008 R&Y listed in Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub plans stall. Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others. “ Power” says he is in charge and “The Owner”. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to be submitted. Appears to be a significantly larger development Bank of Ireland £1.9M loan & NAMA. Localism Bill & Plan Oct 09/11 Recent talks with owner, GB + 1. CPO to force issue?
    14. 14. Rose & Young <ul><li>Present & Future </li></ul><ul><li>Conclusion 17 yrs being empty, no current planning consent, ownership Queries and owners unresponsive to market enquiries. </li></ul><ul><li>No rates </li></ul><ul><li>Damage to town </li></ul><ul><li>Lost opportunity </li></ul>
    15. 15. Obstacles <ul><li>Owners and ownership/Deadlock </li></ul><ul><li>Planning consent </li></ul><ul><li>Change of use & scale? </li></ul><ul><li>Lack of Leadership from TDC </li></ul><ul><li>Councils experience of CPO </li></ul><ul><li>Money </li></ul><ul><li>Climate </li></ul>
    16. 16. Possible Solutions <ul><li>Owner develops themselves - forced or otherwise </li></ul><ul><li>CPO process initiated to unblock situation </li></ul><ul><li>Owner sells to a +ve developer </li></ul><ul><li>Neighbourhood plan backs action </li></ul><ul><li>CPO backed by TDC, with funding options available. </li></ul><ul><li>Any other feasible uses? </li></ul>
    17. 17. Other ideas <ul><li>Mixed use </li></ul><ul><li>Showroom </li></ul><ul><li>Listing/heritage </li></ul><ul><li>Health/Hotel/Cinema/Hub/Start up units </li></ul><ul><li>Temporary </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Wall art </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Car park </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Bigger Picture - Planning land swap - Joint Venture </li></ul>
    18. 18. How can Councillors help? <ul><li>Endorse getting an opinion by Tandridge on CPO </li></ul><ul><li>Build confidence and pressure on colleagues for action </li></ul><ul><li>Be Community champions </li></ul><ul><li>Councillors to push for higher priority & profile </li></ul><ul><li>Let’s make it happen </li></ul>
    19. 19. Next steps <ul><li>Share info with Planning </li></ul><ul><li>TDC start to be pro-active. </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Town Centre working group? </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>TDC get legal view on CPO viability </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Planners to push for visibility of plans or face consequences (CPO) </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>commercial assessment? </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Wall art, plans or other community/clean up </li></ul><ul><li>A Neighbourhood Plan is coming </li></ul><ul><li>Ask for a meeting with owner, with TDC, councillors and town group . </li></ul>
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