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  • 1. Remedies for Game Rule Violations
  • 2. Back up (if you can)If the error was discovered within a timeframe in which a player could reasonablybe expected to notice the error and thesituation is simple enough to safely back upwithout too much disruption to the course ofthe game, the judge may get permissionfrom the Head Judge to back up the gameto the point of the error.
  • 3. A backup is to the point of the error.Each action taken is undone until the gamereaches the point immediately prior to theerror. Cards incorrectly placed in hand arereturned to the location in the zone fromwhich they were moved (if the identity of theincorrectly drawn card is not known to allplayers, a random card is returned instead).
  • 4. Back up everything or nothingIf not caught within a reasonable timeframe, or backing up is impossible orsufficiently complex that it could affect thecourse of the game, the judge should leavethe game state as it is after applying state-based actions and not attempt any form ofpartial ‘fix’ – either reverse all actions ornone. . .
  • 5. Exceptionswith the following exceptions:
  • 6. Exceptionswith the following exceptions:• If a player made an illegal choice or failed to make a requiredchoice for a permanent on the battlefield, that player makes alegal choice.
  • 7. Exceptionswith the following exceptions:• If a player made an illegal choice or failed to make a requiredchoice for a permanent on the battlefield, that player makes alegal choice.• If a player forgot the turn-based action of drawing a card, thatplayer draws a card.
  • 8. Exceptionswith the following exceptions:• If a player made an illegal choice or failed to make a requiredchoice for a permanent on the battlefield, that player makes alegal choice.• If a player forgot the turn-based action of drawing a card, thatplayer draws a card.• If a player forgot to discard or return cards from their hand toanother zone, that player does so.
  • 9. Exceptionswith the following exceptions:• If a player made an illegal choice or failed to make a requiredchoice for a permanent on the battlefield, that player makes alegal choice.• If a player forgot the turn-based action of drawing a card, thatplayer draws a card.• If a player forgot to discard or return cards from their hand toanother zone, that player does so.• If an object is in the wrong zone, the identity of the object wasknown to all players, and it is within a turn of the error, put theobject in the correct zone.
  • 10. Examples
  • 11. Go for the Throat• Avery casts Go for the Throat on Natalies Golem token.
  • 12. Go for the Throat• Avery casts Go for the Throat on Natalies Golem token.• Back up the game, putting Go for the Throat back in Averys hand and untapping the lands he used to pay for it.
  • 13. Geist of Saint Traft • Anne casts Mind Control on Normans Geist of Saint Traft in her second main phase. • On her following turn, she attacks with it. • A judge passing by the table notices. . .
  • 14. Geist of Saint Traft • Anne casts Mind Control on Normans Geist of Saint Traft in her second main phase. • On her following turn, she attacks with it. • A judge passing by the table notices. . . • Its too late to back up. The game state remains as is.
  • 15. Geist of Saint Traft • Anne casts Mind Control on Normans Geist of Saint Traft in her second main phase. • On her following turn, she attacks with it. • A judge passing by the table notices. . . • Its too late to back up. The game state remains as is.
  • 16. Geist of Saint Traft • Anne casts Mind Control on Normans Geist of Saint Traft in her second main phase. • On her following turn, she attacks with it. • A judge passing by the table notices. . . • Its too late to back up. The game state remains as is. • What about the harm to Norman?
  • 17. Runed Halo• Alyssa casts Runed Halo, says "go".• Nigel casts Strangleroot Geist and attacks.• Alyssa realizes she forgot to name a card...
  • 18. Runed Halo• Alyssa casts Runed Halo, says "go".• Nigel casts Strangleroot Geist and attacks.• Alyssa realizes she forgot to name a card...• Theres no backup, but Alyssa must name a card now.
  • 19. Runed Halo• Alyssa casts Runed Halo, says "go".• Nigel casts Strangleroot Geist and attacks.• Alyssa realizes she forgot to name a card...• Theres no backup, but Alyssa must name a card now.
  • 20. Runed Halo• Alyssa casts Runed Halo, says "go".• Nigel casts Strangleroot Geist and attacks.• Alyssa realizes she forgot to name a card...• Theres no backup, but Alyssa must name a card now.• Can she name Strangleroot Geist? What if Nigel objects?
  • 21. Jace, the Mind Sculptor• Ava "brainstorms" with Jace and forgets to put cards back.• The error isnt discovered until two turns later.
  • 22. Jace, the Mind Sculptor• Ava "brainstorms" with Jace and forgets to put cards back.• She still puts 2 cards back.
  • 23. Jace, the Mind Sculptor• Ava "brainstorms" with Jace and forgets to put cards back.• She still puts 2 cards back.
  • 24. Mindlock Orb • Nancy controls Mindlock Orb. Alistair controls Arid Mesa.battlefield
  • 25. Mindlock Orb • Nancy controls Mindlock Orb. Alistair controls Arid Mesa. • He activates Arid Mesa and fetches a Plains from his library.battlefield graveyard
  • 26. Mindlock Orb • Nancy controls Mindlock Orb. Alistair controls Arid Mesa. • He activates Arid Mesa and fetches a Plains from his library. • Then Nancy says, “Wait, you cant do that!” battlefield graveyard“No search for you!”
  • 27. Mindlock Orb: possible backupsbattlefield graveyard ?battlefield ? graveyardbattlefield ?
  • 28. Green Suns Zenith • Archimedes casts Green Suns Zenith with X=4..
  • 29. Green Suns Zenith • Archimedes casts Green Suns Zenith with X=4. • He fetches Hellrider and puts the Zenith in his graveyard.
  • 30. Green Suns Zenith • Archimedes casts Green Suns Zenith with X=4. • He fetches Hellrider and puts the Zenith in his graveyard. • He attacks with Hellrider, and Niobe takes 1 damage.
  • 31. Green Suns Zenith • Archimedes casts Green Suns Zenith with X=4. • He fetches Hellrider and puts the Zenith in his graveyard. • He attacks with Hellrider, and Niobe takes 1 damage. • She blocks with Oculus. It dies, and she draws a card.
  • 32. Green Suns Zenith • Archimedes casts Green Suns Zenith with X=4. • He fetches Hellrider and puts the Zenith in his graveyard. • He attacks with Hellrider, and Niobe takes 1 damage. • She blocks with Oculus. It dies, and she draws a card. • She casts Doom Blade on Hellrider.
  • 33. Green Suns Zenith • Archimedes casts Green Suns Zenith with X=4. • He fetches Hellrider and puts the Zenith in his graveyard. • He attacks with Hellrider, and Niobe takes 1 damage. • She blocks with Oculus. It dies, and she draws a card. • She casts Doom Blade on Hellrider.
  • 34. Green Suns Zenith • Archimedes casts Green Suns Zenith with X=4. • He fetches Hellrider and puts the Zenith in his graveyard. • He attacks with Hellrider, and Niobe takes 1 damage. • She blocks with Oculus. It dies, and she draws a card. • She casts Doom Blade on Hellrider. • Then the players realize Archimedes improperly resolved the Zenith.
  • 35. Green Suns Zenith: GRV• Archimedes searched for an illegal creature. Hellrider isnt green.• He also failed to shuffle Green Suns Zenith into his library.
  • 36. Green Suns Zenith: GRV remedy• Its too late to back up.• Green Suns Zenith is an object in the wrong zone. It shouldnt be in the graveyard. Archimedes shuffles it into his library.• Hellrider remains on the battlefield.
  • 37. Green Suns Zenith: GRV remedy• Its too late to back up.• Green Suns Zenith is an object in the wrong zone. It shouldnt be in the graveyard. Archimedes shuffles it into his library.• Hellrider remains in the graveyard.
  • 38. Sword of Feast and Famine • Abel resolves part of Sword of Feast and Famines ability but not the other part.
  • 39. Sword of Feast and Famine - 1 • Abel resolves part of Sword of Feast and Famines ability but not the other part. • His opponent discards a card, but Abel doesnt untap his lands.
  • 40. Sword of Feast and Famine - 1 • Abel resolves part of Sword of Feast and Famines ability but not the other part. • His opponent discards a card, but Abel doesnt untap his lands. • In Abels end step, his opponent casts a spell, and Abel doesnt counter it. Then Abel ends his turn, and his opponent begins her turn and draws a card.
  • 41. Sword of Feast and Famine - 1 • Abel resolves part of Sword of Feast and Famines ability but not the other part. • His opponent discards a card, but Abel doesnt untap his lands. • In Abels end step, his opponent casts a spell, and Abel doesnt counter it. Then Abel ends his turn, and his opponent begins her turn and draws a card. • No backup. No remedy.
  • 42. Sword of Feast and Famine - 2 • Abel resolves part of Sword of Feast and Famines ability but not the other part. • Abel untaps his lands, but his opponent doesnt discard a card.
  • 43. Sword of Feast and Famine - 2 • Abel resolves part of Sword of Feast and Famines ability but not the other part. • Abel untaps his lands, but his opponent doesnt discard a card. • In Abels end step, his opponent casts a spell, and Abel doesnt counter it. Then Abel ends his turn, and his opponent begins her turn and draws a card.
  • 44. Sword of Feast and Famine - 2 • Abel resolves part of Sword of Feast and Famines ability but not the other part. • Abel untaps his lands, but his opponent doesnt discard a card. • In Abels end step, his opponent casts a spell, and Abel doesnt counter it. Then Abel ends his turn, and his opponent begins her turn and draws a card. • No backup. Abels opponent must discard a card.
  • 45. Geist of Saint Traft, the sequel • Achilles casts Controlled Instincts on Natalies tapped Geist of Saint Traft. • The error isnt discovered until the first main phase of his next turn.
  • 46. Geist of Saint Traft, the sequel • Achilles casts Controlled Instincts on Natalies tapped Geist of Saint Traft. • The error isnt discovered until the first main phase of his next turn. • No backup.
  • 47. Geist of Saint Traft, the sequel • Achilles casts Controlled Instincts on Natalies tapped Geist of Saint Traft. • The error isnt discovered until the first main phase of his next turn. • No backup. Correct the game state. No further remedy.
  • 48. Stormblood Berserker • Niv-Mizzet controls a tapped Borderland Ranger. Agrus Kos controls Goblin Arsonist.
  • 49. Stormblood Berserker • Niv-Mizzet controls a tapped Borderland Ranger. Agrus Kos controls Goblin Arsonist. • Agrus Kos attacks with Goblin Arsonist.
  • 50. Stormblood Berserker • Niv-Mizzet controls a tapped Borderland Ranger. Agrus Kos controls Goblin Arsonist. • Agrus Kos attacks with Goblin Arsonist. • After combat, Agrus Kos casts Stormblood Berserker, but doesnt put any counters on it.
  • 51. Stormblood Berserker • Niv-Mizzet controls a tapped Borderland Ranger. Agrus Kos controls Goblin Arsonist. • Agrus Kos attacks with Goblin Arsonist. • After combat, Agrus Kos casts Stormblood Berserker, but doesnt put any counters on it. • Niv-Mizzet begins his turn.
  • 52. Stormblood Berserker • Niv-Mizzet controls a tapped Borderland Ranger. Agrus Kos controls Goblin Arsonist. • Agrus Kos attacks with Goblin Arsonist. • After combat, Agrus Kos casts Stormblood Berserker, but doesnt put any counters on it. • Niv-Mizzet begins his turn. • Niv-Mizzet attacks with Borderland Ranger.
  • 53. Stormblood Berserker • Niv-Mizzet controls a tapped Borderland Ranger. Agrus Kos controls Goblin Arsonist. • Agrus Kos attacks with Goblin Arsonist. • After combat, Agrus Kos casts Stormblood Berserker, but doesnt put any counters on it. • Niv-Mizzet begins his turn. • Niv-Mizzet attacks with Borderland Ranger. • Agrus Kos now realizes he forgot to put counters on Stormblood Berserker.
  • 54. Stormblood Berserker • No backup. • Leave the game state as is.
  • 55. Duress • Alice casts Duress on Nicholas, and chooses Primeval Titan. He discards it.
  • 56. Duress • Alice casts Duress on Nicholas, and chooses Primeval Titan. He discards it. • Alice casts Rise from the Grave on Primeval Titan, and after it resolves, searches her library for two lands.
  • 57. Duress • Alice casts Duress on Nicholas, and chooses Primeval Titan. He discards it. • Alice casts Rise from the Grave on Primeval Titan, and after it resolves, searches her library for two lands. • Then she casts Fervor and attacks with Primeval Titan.
  • 58. Duress • Alice casts Duress on Nicholas, and chooses Primeval Titan. He discards it. • Alice casts Rise from the Grave on Primeval Titan, and after it resolves, searches her library for two lands. • Then she casts Fervor and attacks with Primeval Titan. • As she searches again, Nicholas rereads Duress and calls for a judge.
  • 59. Duress • It is too late to back up.
  • 60. Duress • It is too late to back up. • This is not an "object in the wrong zone".
  • 61. Duress • It is too late to back up. • This is not an "object in the wrong zone". • There is no remedy to apply.
  • 62. Duress • It is too late to back up. • This is not an "object in the wrong zone". • There is no remedy to apply. • P.S. Nicholas, next time dont wait so long before reading your opponents card.
  • 63. Etched Champion • Antonia, who has metalcraft, attacks with Etched Champion. • Newton blocks with Goblin Guide. Goblin Guide dies.
  • 64. Etched Champion • Antonia, who has metalcraft, attacks with Etched Champion. • Newton blocks with Goblin Guide. Goblin Guide dies. • On Newtons turn, he casts another Goblin Guide and attacks with it.
  • 65. Etched Champion • Antonia, who has metalcraft, attacks with Etched Champion. • Newton blocks with Goblin Guide. Goblin Guide dies. • On Newtons turn, he casts another Goblin Guide and attacks with it. • Then the players realize he couldnt have blocked Etched Champion.
  • 66. Etched Champion • Antonia, who has metalcraft, attacks with Etched Champion. • Newton blocks with Goblin Guide. Goblin Guide dies. • On Newtons turn, he casts another Goblin Guide and attacks with it. • Then the players realize he couldnt have blocked Etched Champion. • No backup. No remedy.
  • 67. Etched Champion • Antonia, who has metalcraft, attacks with Etched Champion. • Newton blocks with Goblin Guide. Goblin Guide dies. • On Newtons turn, he casts another Goblin Guide and attacks with it. • Then the players realize he couldnt have blocked Etched Champion. • No backup. No remedy. • The dead Goblin Guide is not an “object in the wrong zone.”
  • 68. Shuffle• Audra shuffles her hand into her library. There is no way to verify the contents of her hand.
  • 69. Shuffle• Audra shuffles her hand into her library. There is no way to verify the contents of her hand.• No backup. No remedy.