Fireside Chat I - Open Source CMS

Fireside Chat I May 8th 2008 with Seth Gottlieb

Agenda • Presentation by Seth Gottlieb • Facilitated discussions • Core Tech • Local Open Source • CMS in a Webserviced era • Standards

Core Tech I • Dries, Bruno, Tom, Dieter, Seth • Two topics discussed • Are scripting languages ready for the enterprise? • Cloud computing

CT 1 - Scripting languages Java LAMP • best programming language • PHP, Python, Perl, Ruby, ... from a language design • better deployment options perspective • lower hosting cost • strength: strong typing • improved productivity • not speciﬁcally web- focussed - used for a lot of other/different things

CT 1 - Cloud Computing • Amazon S3/EC2, Google*., virtualized mass- hosting • Will be used ﬁrst by smaller companies • Unsure about adoption by larger ones • Main issue: ownership (of data, of services)

Local Open Source I • Marc, Dirk, Wim, Kris, Bruno • Why do we believe money can be made of OS • user wants to be independent • “let’s work together”-spirit • Issues with monetizing OS in Belgium • corporate policies • larger companies preferring ‘safe’ buying

Local Open Source I • Clustering local OS initiatives: how? • experience has not been successful so far • too much (false) competition & everybody is busy • possibilities • joint communications • joint sales(/projects) • joint marketing • local initiative: geeks-r-us (contact Dirk Frigne @ DFC)

CMS in a Web- Services World I • Paul, Peter, Wouter,Vincent, Poldi • Legal implications • ownership of data • longevity of services • The technical issue: distributed asset management • change of API: problem • Main reason for use of Webservices = cost

Standards I • Erik, Karel, Luc, Adriaan, Jef • Possible areas of standardization • skinning & templating • content exchange • The One Deﬁning Template Language: no. • due to connectedness with underlying CMS functionality (=competitive advantage) • Possible use of microformats?

Standards I • Storage standardization • again, heavily linked with CMS functionality • One established standard: RSS/Atom • for notiﬁcations

Core Tech II • Wim, Dirk, Peter,Vincent, Karel • A note about languages: possible middle-ground between scripting and compiled approach = Groovy • Hosting is an important criterium • JS development needs a better toolchain • Challenge from Sharepoint = Desktop Integration • Get rid of up- and download cycle • WebDAV • Small local (Java?) app

Local Open Source II • Paul, Seth, Poldi, Erik, Bruno, Tom • Too much competition, too little collaboration • stress for loosing business opportunity • who gets which part of the budget • OS misses out on accountability (no throat to choke) • Wrong vision on ‘free’ • Community events = opportunity?

CMS in a Web- Services World II • Bruno, Dieter, Kris, Dirk, Adriaan, Luc • Amazon for hosting apps and content • nobody does it • missing SLA • Other open/public APIs in use? • what about mail? • Security • do you trust 3rd parties with your data • do you trust your own IT?

Standards II • Wouter, Dries, Dieter, Pascal, Marc • Missing notable standard: CSS • Revisited microformats • CMS needs more microformats • menu | navigation | breadcrumbs | page-layout • 1st step up to semantic web • need for a killer app for MF (!= Fireﬁx toolbar) • what about support in mobile devices ?

Standards II • Cross-site/-CMS search (library standard Z3950- something) • Storage • JCR: too much connection with/interpretation within CMS • shared import/export format seems more suitable

Afterglow • Sidenote: GhentValley.be launched • Should we set up a Google Group for this? • New topics: your suggestions, please. Ours: • Webapp frameworks • Rails/Ruby vs Java vs PHP • Concepts and methodology • Building a business on OS: risks, beneﬁts, howto • Building a business tout-court

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