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  1. 1. BHENGS.COM World Youth Day 2011 Saints Home Privacy Archive more www.bhengs.comWORLD YOUTH DAY 2011 SAINTSPOSTED BY SMART HO ON THURSDAY, 18 AUGUST, 2011, 9:44 PM GO   It did not once mention World Youth Day, the extraordinary global Catholic gathering that the pope is also visiting. That has brought something like 1.5 million young people from around the world to the Spanish capital to greet him. ... Share |WORLD YOUTH DAY 2011 SAINTSPOSTED BY SMART HO ON THURSDAY, 18 AUGUST, 2011, 9:44 PM If I were a Catholic, I would be feeling rather pissed off with the BBC. The news bulletin in this mornings Today programme carried an report of the popes visit to Madrid that concentrated entirely on the "thousands" of protestors against the visit. It did not once mention World Youth Day, the extraordinary global Catholic gathering that the pope is also visiting. That has brought something like 1.5 million young people from around the world to the Spanish capital to greet him. Whether or not you approve of this, it is important and – above all – newsworthy simply because it is unexpected and goes against the grain of what the media tell us. So why is it not reported? One might think this is an instance of consciously anti-Catholic bias and perhaps it is. But I doubt that. In many dealings with BBC radio I have only come across one producer who fitted the Daily Mail stereotype of someone actively biased . I suspect it isnt rooted in theological animus, but something far more cultural. The kind of young people who go on organised pilgrimages to greet the pope are not the kind of people most journalists want to become, or have been. They are quintessentially unfashionable. Journalists are almost inevitably sensitive to fashion in ideas, in part because their own fates and careers depend so heavily on it. The ability to sense what people are interested in right now is a skill highly valued in the trade. At the same time, the desire to be one of the inner ring, to know things that other people do not, and to be wafted to the front of any queue, is powerful in us, not least because it is doomed to be unsatisfied. In the last analysis the people who know whats going on are those who have the power to change it, and very few journalists ever get that. "Pope Benedict XVI arrived in the Spanish capital on Thursday to take part in World Youth Day celebrations. But his presence in Madrid, and in particular the taxpayer-funded price tag of the visit, has stirred much anger in a country mired in the economic doldrums. "Around 5,000 people turned out on Madrids streets late Wednesday to protest the popes arrival for the six-day youth festival. The demonstrators included members of secularist, feminist, gay and lesbian, alternative Christian and leftist groups." Of course this demonstration is news. But the ability of mainstream Christianity to attract a crowd of
  2. 2. 1.5 million young people seems to me a damn sight more newsworthy, since we expect people toprotest against the pope, and we do not expect them to turn out in large numbers to support or seehim.Numbers dont prove truth, of course. But they are measures of commitment, and of politicalimportance. Three hundred times as many people have travelled to Madrid to see the pope ashave travelled to protests against him. Which group is more important to know about?18 August 2011 2:21PM99% of people working in the media want to be hip and edgy,but being hipand edgy is old hat now,they are not living in the fifties,and being hip and edgy is really all aboutbeing obsessed with what others think of you.As they get older it will dawn on them that otherpeople arent thinking about them at all.18 August 2011 2:22PMPeople behaving as they have been culturally indoctrinated to do is notnews. People rebelling against their cultural indoctrination is news. To juxtapose: "1 millionMulsims attend Hajj" is not news. "5 thousand Muslims protest Hajj" would be news.Exactly! Nicely put. And youd think after the riots here the fact that 1.5 million kids are on the streetsof Madrid doing something peaceful might deserve attention.And for all its merits The Guardian is more tyrannized by the Cool Police than any other publication.So tyrannized that many reporters have internalized the critique and self-police.Since a large part of being cool means having streed cred, and since street cred involves actingtough and invulnerable, it may be that the riots--an extreme manifestation of the relevant traits--willtilt culture away from its cool obsession.18 August 2011 2:24PMwe expect people to protest against the pope, and we do not expect themto turn out in large numbers to support or see him.But I take your point that there is something biased about reporting only the protests and not thehuge numbers who turned out in support.18 August 2011 2:28PMPeople are rightly fed up with the sexism and the hatred against gaysbordering on evil that the Pope and the catholic church preach.Most readers of the Guardian and most listeners to the BBC at the moment find the idea of apilgrimage to met the pope difficult to understand, because they would never undertake onethemselves.Perhaps we could do with some Christian ethics, as much among tea-partyers as among youth onour streets, bankers, politicians, and murdochs.Repeat and multiply this one example a hundred times, a thousand time, every day, every year andwe start to see where the rioters got one of the sub-conscience examples they follow - challengeauthority / establishment, latest runner/trainer/mobile-phones are desirable than going to churchbut you need money to get them and they have no money.How much of whats reported and NOT reported are politically driven? Perhaps the Pope is nottowing the line of what some people would like to draw for him and the Catholic church???Of course, if you believe that the main purpose of sex is procreation, then I guess you will thinkgays are misguided. But that doesnt mean you hate them.18 August 2011 2:32PMThree hundred times as many people have travelled to Madrid to see thepope as have travelled to protests against him. Which group is more important to know about?I know which way one is supposed to respond to your rhetorical question, but without drawing anyparallel with the Pope in Madrid, let me pose another rhetorical question that makes your implicitpoint not al all as self-evident as you imagine:Three hundred times as many people have traveled to Moscow to see and honor the Czar as havetraveled to protest against him; the small group of protesters, including someone named Lenin,couldnt be all that important.18 August 2011 2:39PMThis comment was removed by a moderator because it didnt abide by ourcommunity standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs.18 August 2011 2:39PMStrong youth turn out perhaps suggests my generation seeking stability
  3. 3. lost in turbulent times. Culture e.g. fashion trends or the rise of the Tea Party. Be interesting to seethe make-up of the 1."Pope goes to catholic country, quite a lot turn up to protest" is something new and different, so itmakes the news. A new development beats a repeat as a news story any day of the week.It is very simple; the non cool people are willfully ignorant hypocrites, [an embarrassment tohumanity] and the people protesting are intelligent and courageous and RIGHT, therefore worthy ofcomment.I remember when the Pope visited the country last year, the mainstream media, including the BBC,had their noses so high up the Popes backside, it was ridiculous.18 August 2011 2:44PMThats one and a half million people whove got it all wrong. They dontneed to follow him. They dont need to follow anybody. Theyve got to think for themselves. Theyreall individuals. Theyre all different. Theyve all got to work it out for themselves. They shouldnt letanyone tell them what to do...18 August 2011 2:46PMNo, Andrew. This is not about 1.5 million "Young Catholics attending" asuperstitious jamboree headed by a childhood member of the Hitler Youth; it s about 1.5 milliongullible superstitious maniacs getting a free ride at the expense of the Spanish taxpayer.the key question they throw up is why participants identify with the authority rather than with thevictim, and hence are willing to follow him down the destructive path he sketches out.18 August 2011 2:52PMN- the millons of people is not a story, thats just normal for a pope visitanywhere, and is not news. That is normal for a pope visit and is not informing the public ofanything they didnt know before.The story, the news, is that moneys being spent on ths and there is widespread opposition.However, if you look at the royal wedding, they couldnt get enough....18 August 2011 2:54PMThis comment was removed by a moderator because it didnt abide by ourcommunity standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs."N- the millons of people is not a story, thats just normal for a pope visit anywhere, and is notnews. That is normal for a pope visit and is not informing the public of anything they didnt knowbefore.The story, the news, is that moneys being spent on ths and there is widespread opposition.However, if you look at the royal wedding, they couldnt get enough...."Some pathetic idiots are pissed at the Pope and want to restrict his freedom of speech. Thats notnews. That happens at every Papal visit - see Dawkins et al humiliating failure in Sept 2010.18 August 2011 2:56PMIt would be interesting to see what he said, on occasions when he spoke.But I suspect what a catholic worker might say would more engage with the youth intellectually,since they have firsthand experience of the problems. The youth are however engaging in a kind ofhero-worship that is peculiarly catholic, so the fervour is genuine, and he isnt a bad guy forpeoples fervour to focus on. For the non-catholic its a kind of celebrity thing, which has somesurface interest, but we dont have the devotion towards him that the catholic faithful do. So I thinkwe cant share in the event and it isnt very significant for us.18 August 2011 2:58PMI do find it kind of amusing that the unpaid commentators here are queuingup to tell the paid journalist about the first rule of journalism: http://en.wikipedia.Would be interesting to see the reaction here if one and half million ant-Pope protesters gatheredand were ignored by the BBC who instead covered several thousand supporters of the Pope. (Buta rather unlikely scenario).Vatican responses to the numerous abuse scandals, and decades of subsequent (and confirmed)cover-ups means that victims suffer twice at the hands of THEIR church.Doing the same in the Western democracies is offensive and deeply insulting. Its alsopsychologically damaging to Catholics who just happen to be born gay.Spain has moved away from an oppressive, religious, medieval, almost-theocracy, and what weare seeing is people acknowledging that new-found freedom.
  4. 4. The fact that 1.5 million youngsters who were indoctrinated into a repressive ancient mythologyturn up to confirm that childhood indoctrination - isnt.18 August 2011 3:01PMIn one sense it is news as the Pope doesnt go to Spain very often andthere isnt often a World Youth day. It does raise the suspicion that being thought of trying to begood, they are automatically boring and not worthy of notice (not that theyd care).Theyve got to think for themselves. Theyre all individuals. Theyre all different. Theyve all got towork it out for themselves. They shouldnt let anyone tell them what to do...18 August 2011 3:06PMThis comment was removed by a moderator because it didnt abide by ourcommunity standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs.18 August 2011 3:07PMHow true! The Guardian has spent the last eight years insisting that theIraq war was wrong, not for the many reasons that it was but because (ad nauseum) "a millionpeople marched in London against it." By extension of this logic, the paper should now be arguingthat we are all obliged to be come Catholics, and quite possibly Youths as well.18 August 2011 3:08PMI wonder if the Borgias, the Original Crime Family is on TV in Spain yet.Mind, if any folks have ever visited art museums and checked out horrific paintings based on thetheme of Inquisition, then how is it possible to be an observer of atrocities and not a doer?Even if one thinks the purpose of sex is procreation I dont see how that would lead to one thinkingthat gay people are misguided, unless of course one most ignorantly under the impression thatones sexual orientation is a choice.Intellectually cowardly and completely disingenuous reasoning. Intelligent people oppose thePope visiting anywhere because of the obvious absurdity and repellant hypocrisy of his teachings,you know condemning the loving union of two same sex people as being evil whilst covering upthe systematic rape of children. Preaching the virtue of poverty form Vatican City FFS! and so on. Allapologists for this unpleasant nonsense should be ashamed of themselves.In his book Bad Thoughts Jamie Whyte writes about these kind of statements. The difficulty comesfrom the way that lots of christians behave in rather unchristian ways, which confuses us all as towhat christian means.18 August 2011 3:09PMSo sick of Christians complaining that theyre not as popular as they usedto be. You owned the Western world for 2000 years; people woke up to how ridiculous your dogmais!18 August 2011 3:10PMThis comment was removed by a moderator because it didnt abide by ourcommunity standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs.18 August 2011 3:10PMThis comment was removed by a moderator because it didnt abide by ourcommunity standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs."Intellectually cowardly and completely disingenuous reasoning. Intelligent people oppose thePope visiting anywhere because of the obvious absurdity and repellant hypocrisy of his teachings,you know condemning the loving union of two same sex people as being evil whilst covering upthe systematic rape of children. Preaching the virtue of poverty form Vatican City FFS! and so on. Allapologists for this unpleasant nonsense should be ashamed of themselves."18 August 2011 3:12PMI was struck, in the photos I saw, by the contrast between the , on the wholehappy looking pilgrims and the hate filled protesters.This reverse discrimination nonsense has gone far enough. No one is trying to stop Christiansfrom freely practising their religion and freedom of speech.18 August 2011 3:12PMThis comment was removed by a moderator because it didnt abide by ourcommunity standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs.Editorial: Brahmss music still thrives thanks to his drive to express the most radical ideas withinstrictly established disciplines 9 commentsComment from the paperMartin Kettle: US voters arenot mad. Our stereotype of them is patronising and wrong Jenni Russell: A-level results not goodenough for uni? Getting an apprenticeship is harder Iain Duncan Smith:Popes message for Radio 4 slot has themes of salvation and hope, with no mention of Vaticanscandal or religious freedomLicense/buy our content | Privacy policy | Terms & conditions |Advertising guide | Accessibility | A-Z index | Inside guardian.co.uk blog | About guardian.co.
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