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    1. A journey through the ELN jungle Simon Coles CTO http://www.amphora-research.com/ 1
    2. http://www.amphora-research.com/ 2
    3. Copies of these slides http://www.amphora-research.com/ 2
    4. About Amphora • Started in ELNs in 1996 • Globally deployed, fully electronic ELN for Kodak • Grew from there... • Now work with large & small companies • Biotechs, Pharma, Chemicals http://www.amphora-research.com/ 3
    5. Who we work with 4
    6. Who we work with 4
    7. Industry http://www.amphora-research.com/ 5
    8. What we do • Patent Evidence Creation & Preservation • Make lawyers happy • Which means you can make scientists happy http://www.amphora-research.com/ 6
    9. What we do • Sometimes our stuff is used... • Standalone • In conjunction with other “ELN” products • With in house systems http://www.amphora-research.com/ 7
    10. jungle noun an area of land overgrown with dense forest and tangled vegetation, typically in the tropics http://www.amphora-research.com/ 8
    11. Welcome to the Jungle http://www.amphora-research.com/ 9
    12. electronic lab notebook noun whatever a vendor has to sell whatever the programmer wants to write http://www.amphora-research.com/ 10
    13. Audience Survey 11 simonc@amphora-research.com
    14. Audience Survey • Do you have a Med. Chem ELN project (in progress or complete?) 11 simonc@amphora-research.com
    15. Audience Survey • Do you have a Med. Chem ELN project (in progress or complete?) • Do you have other kinds of scientists? 11 simonc@amphora-research.com
    16. Audience Survey • Do you have a Med. Chem ELN project (in progress or complete?) • Do you have other kinds of scientists? • Are you deploying into • A regulated environment • A discovery environment 11 simonc@amphora-research.com
    17. So.... • You’ve decided to get an ELN • Do you • Buy a tool, and fit your work to the tool? • Find out how you work, and buy/build a tool to fit? http://www.amphora-research.com/ 12
    18. The “ELN” Word • Very ambiguous • Probably best if you didn’t use it • Say what you mean http://www.amphora-research.com/ 13
    19. What do you mean? • The term “ELN” means different things to different people • Somewhere the scientists will work • A Patent Evidence system (& long term record) http://www.amphora-research.com/ 14
    20. Patent Evidence • Typically this is a broad, thin layer • Consistently applied across the whole company http://www.amphora-research.com/ 15
    21. Differences that make a Difference • There are 2 key aspects which impact the character of your ELN implementation • Regulated Vs Unregulated • Industry http://www.amphora-research.com/ 16
    22. Regulated or not? • If you are regulated, chances you are talking about process automation, enforcement, and compliance • This isn’t easy, but it is • Relatively unambiguous • Fairly well mapped already http://www.amphora-research.com/ 17
    23. Industry/Company Type • Life Sciences • Biotech or Pharma • Biology Vs Chemistry • Multi-national Chemicals http://www.amphora-research.com/ 18
    24. Chemistry Vs Biology • In Life Sciences, the biggest distinction is between Chemists and Biologists http://www.amphora-research.com/ 19
    25. Chemistry • Chemistry is pretty structured • Buy (or build) them a Chemistry-centric ELN and let them get on with it • The selection process is detailed but at least the work relatively consistently http://www.amphora-research.com/ 20
    26. Sources of Chemistry ELNs • If you’re a big pharma, you’re probably already set • With varying success - this isn’t easy • Solutions • Buy off the shelf • Build from what you have • Vendor capture http://www.amphora-research.com/ 21
    27. Sources of Chemistry • In Biotechs, you probably can’t afford to build or do vendor capture • Unless Cheminformatics is a core strength • So you’re going to have do as much as you can with off-the-shelf (customised as needed) • Nice selection of vendors, have fun! http://www.amphora-research.com/ 22
    28. Biology • Massive diversity • Lots of Microsoft Office and other “non ELN” applications • Best approach is to get out of their way http://www.amphora-research.com/ 23
    29. Examples • Nadine’s talk about J&J earlier • Really good example of in-depth analysis of process • 98% approval rate on a project that size is pretty stunning http://www.amphora-research.com/ 24
    30. Large Chemicals • Somewhat boring places you may or may not have heard of • But employ 1,000 of scientists and make most of the fun stuff in your house and car • e.g. companies like Kodak, BASF, PPG, Milliken, USG, etc. http://www.amphora-research.com/ 25
    31. Large Chemicals • Massive diversity • R&D is typically very close to the customer • Tight timescales • Low tolerance for “non-value add” activities http://www.amphora-research.com/ 26
    32. Large Chemicals • The ELN project will “Open the can of worms” in terms of • The tools people are using • The records they are creating • The patent evidence that is generated http://www.amphora-research.com/ 27
    33. General Purpose ELNs • “You all use the same Paper notebook don’t you?” • “So surely you can all use the same Electronic notebook?” http://www.amphora-research.com/ 28
    34. General Purpose ELNs • You can do it for small numbers of users and certain styles of work (e.g. e2v) • Where workflow is important • For large numbers of users • The diversity in process will kill you • You end up building an expensive version of Word & Excel http://www.amphora-research.com/ 29
    35. General Purpose ELNs Functionality Number of users http://www.amphora-research.com/ 30
    36. General Purpose ELNs Functionality Possible Number of users http://www.amphora-research.com/ 30
    37. General Purpose ELNs Functionality Possible Possible Number of users http://www.amphora-research.com/ 30
    38. General Purpose ELNs Functionality Possible Doomed to fail The organisation will frustrate you Possible Number of users http://www.amphora-research.com/ 30
    39. Front end tools • Most organisations will end up providing different front ends to different users • Examples • BMS, Solvay, all the other large companies http://www.amphora-research.com/ 31
    40. Patents • As a rule, what you need to do from a Patent perspective is pretty generic • You might have some specific needs, but 95% of what you need can be done off the shelf • This is one area where you want to stick with convention http://www.amphora-research.com/ 32
    41. Security • In Life Sciences things are relatively sane • In Large Chemicals, you get all the fun of “Chinese Walls” created by Commercial agreements http://www.amphora-research.com/ 33
    42. Security • This is another whole can of worms • That didn’t really exist until the ELN came along • No one could find anything in the paper notebook anyway http://www.amphora-research.com/ 34
    43. Security • Ultimately you have to do what the organisation requires • But you need to avoid massively complex regimes • If you do NDA-related Chinese walls, you need to have that tagged into the record at creation http://www.amphora-research.com/ 35
    44. Records Management • The Cinderella of ELN projects • Desperately important • Clearly something that’s dependent on your own processes http://www.amphora-research.com/ 36
    45. Conclusions • Our original question • Some thoughts http://www.amphora-research.com/ 37
    46. Our Questions • Do you • Buy a tool, and fit your work to the tool? • Find out how you work, and buy/build a tool to fit? http://www.amphora-research.com/ 38
    47. Conclusion • Unless you have been specifically charged with changing the workflow • Don’t pick the fight • You’re there to support the science • Today and in the future http://www.amphora-research.com/ 39
    48. Conclusions • They’ve probably already got what they need anyway • Or a very good idea of what they need • That’s why they asked for an ELN in the first place http://www.amphora-research.com/ 40
    49. Conclusion • If you are charged with changing the workflow • That’s your project, not “ELN” or whatever • Try to keep the scope as small as possible • Size and diversity will kill you http://www.amphora-research.com/ 41
    50. Patent • Stick with best practice unless you really know what you are doing http://www.amphora-research.com/ 42
    51. Security • Do what you have to do • But try to keep it simple http://www.amphora-research.com/ 43
    52. Conclusion • Chemistry - buy, or build, the best you can • Biology - get out of their way • Large chemicals - you’ll never fully understand everything in detail http://www.amphora-research.com/ 44

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