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  • + schumacr Robin Schumacher 4 weeks ago
    minusfive -

    Your question is perfectly reasonable and good to ask. Once you determine that God exists, you next need to ask what kind of God exists? To find the answer see my presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/schumacr/six-steps-step-3b-three-proofs-for-god, where I answer that question as well as http://www.slideshare.net/schumacr/six-steps-step-4-can-god-be-known and http://www.slideshare.net/schumacr/six-steps-step-5-is-jesus-god.

    Regarding your last point, something that does not begin to exist does not need a cause. God did not begin to exist but is eternal, therefore He has no cause. Before you scoff at this, keep in mind you cling to an eternal universe, which you say has always been so you’ll need to explain why you think an eternal universe is perfectly fine to accept but not an eternal Creator.
  • + minusfive minusfive 1 month ago
    Hmmm... I think I spoke (wrote?) too soon. I do have some questions for you:

    1) If there is a god, why not many gods then?

    2) Why did you ask me if I would now become a christian? Why not muslim? Or Jewish? Or Hindu? Or even satanic?

    3) If everything that begins to exist must have a cause, then what’s god’s cause? How did his existence begun? What ’caused’ him?
  • + minusfive minusfive 1 month ago
    I absolutely will become a good christian now. The bestestest christian that ever existed. I beeellliiiiiieeeeevveeee!! Thank you for saving my soul. ;)
  • + schumacr Robin Schumacher 1 month ago
    minusfive -

    Glad to hear you’re waving the white flag and giving up. At least I assume you are since you’ve not tried to attack one of the premises of this presentation’s syllogism which is a proof for the existence of God. Are you going to become a Christian now or are there other questions I can help answer for you?
  • + minusfive minusfive 1 month ago
    Cheese’s crust! You know what? You’re abso-freakin’-lutely right. You, my friend, have once-and-for-all proven, beyond-reasonable-doubt, the existence of god—as well as the existence of an unlimited number of other imaginary beings that could serve the same purpose of filling up the knowledge gaps of humanity.

    In fact, your argument is so brilliant and impenetrable that you should immediately look for a publisher to help you make it more widely known.

    Hey, you may even get a Nobel prize! Heck, you’ll probably get many! For the advance of science, for peace, etc. etc.

    I sincerely admire you intellect and truly believe your accomplishment is beyond that of any other person in the history of human kind.

    ;)
  • + schumacr Robin Schumacher 1 month ago
    minusfive -

    Thanks, already read that. Long ago. In fact, those old arguments against the proofs for the existence of God have been refuted for a very long time. As an example, the very first argument against the cosmological argument misstates the first premise. It says 'Everything that exists must have a cause' whereas the the true first premise is 'Everything that begins to exist must have a cause'. Do you deny that anything that begins to exist has a cause? Even the famous agnostic/skeptic David Hume said 'I never asserted so absurd a proposition that anything might arise without a cause.'

    The other refutations fail for a variety of reasons, many of which include the ’appeal to the future’ informal logical fallacy. However, my challenge to you still stands: attack my syllogism in this presentation and show where it is flawed.
  • + minusfive minusfive 1 month ago
    Yeah, yeah. As I said, not enough time to argue endlessly with fundies, but read this if you please: http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/goldstein09/goldstein09_index.html
  • + schumacr Robin Schumacher 1 month ago
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    Really?? Loving people by hurling insults, calling them ridiculous, nuts, a lunatic, ignorant, deluded, arrogant, empty, etc.? Have I missed any of your 'love' words? I’d hate to see you react to people you don’t 'love'...

    Again, you’ve not done what we’ve asked - pick a premise in the argument and show how it’s invalid. You can’t because ... well, it’s a solid syllogism and correct. It’s not arrogant to say something is right and truthful when it is. It’s like Aquinas said: 'The contrary of a truth can never be demonstrated.'
  • + minusfive minusfive 1 month ago
    Right. You’re absolutely right about the insults, I apologize. I get frustrated sometimes when people come up with empty arguments and proclaim them as the ultimate, unbreakable truth, and others follow blindly without stopping and thinking about the argument’s flaws in the first place. I take it personal when I see willful ignorance spreading with more ease and passion than knowledge—but oh well...

    I am fully aware of Darwin accepting he was not explaining the origin of life, but rather the origin of all other species as descendants from that first organism. It shows the brilliance of a man, when he can make a humbling and grounding statement like that, about such a formidable discovery nonetheless—as opposed to someone claiming they can proof the existence of god in 30 seconds; but then again, oh well...

    Fact is, I already proved the emptiness of your statement in my very first comment. Now, I am not claiming that I know the ultimate truth—no one should, that would be silly. All I am saying is that your argument is completely empty and pointless, and instead of inviting us to keep asking questions, probing and continuing the journey towards finding that truth, you’re asking us to give up and believe in an empty story, simply because other arguments still have gaps in them. That, my friend, is ridiculous.

    And by the way, just so you know, I was a christian once upon a time. Most of my family members are still christian. I don’t have a problem with christianity, or any religion for that matter, per se. I did not have a bad experience with the faith at all. I still live my life trying to help and love everyone I encounter. Have no enemies and live a very happy and fulfilled life. My only problem is with those who, perhaps unknowingly, make huge, arrogant and completely unfounded statements, because those people are doing a huge disservice to the world. My problem is with those who aim to create a smoke wall between the real world and the eyes of the believers.

    Now, I can see it was a lack of clear judgement on my part to come here and start a discussion amongst those who don’t want to step out of their shell, and look at their empty beliefs with a critic eye in the first place. The discussion is pointless when the other party simply plugs their ears and decides not to listen. So by all means, keep swimming in your imagined stories and empty arguments, I have better things to do.
  • + schumacr Robin Schumacher 1 month ago
    minusfive - I see you’re back again with the same strategy: insults and no actual challenge to this presentation. You can’t posit evolution because evolution only concerns itself with the supposed change that occurs with *existing* biological entities and says nothing about how those entities came to be. Since you recommend books be read, pick up Darwin’s Origin of Species and you’ll find in chapter 14 that Darwin admits his whole argument begins with existing beings that already contain reproductive capabilities (isn’t that convenient?) and he can’t explain how they came to exist.

    This is why answering the question 'why do we have something rather than nothing at all?' is key. Again, I ask that you challenge one of the premises in the main syllogism and show me how it’s flawed. See if you can manage that without hurling insults and abuse, which by the way, is a telltale sign of someone who’s afraid their position isn’t correct.

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  1. God Does God Does Exist? Proof for God in 30 Seconds
  2. God Does © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  3. God Does Exist? “Why do we have something rather than nothing at all?” - Martin Heidegger, “The Fundamental Question of Metaphysics” Comes back to – Does God exist? © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  4. God Does Exist? Four theoretical answers: 1. Reality is an illusion 2. Reality is/was self-created 3. Reality is self-existent (eternal) 4. Reality was created by something that is self- existent © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  5. God Does Exist? A simple proof for God 1. Something exists 2. Nothing cannot cause something 3. Therefore, a necessary and eternal Being exists - Jonathan Edwards (who massaged it from John Locke) © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  6. God Does Exist? Can the existence of God be proven in 30 seconds or less? © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  7. God Does Exist? Start the stopwatch…here we go. 1. I exist. 2. If I exist, then something must have always existed, because something doesn‟t come from nothing. 3. So we have 2 choices: An impersonal eternality (the universe) or a personal eternality (God). 4. Science has disproven the concept of an eternal universe. 5. Therefore, God exists. © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  8. God Does Exist? 1. I exist. You must exist to express doubt that you exist. Denying your existence is a self- defeating statement. “I think, therefore I am.” - Descartes © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  9. God Does Exist? 2. If I exist, then something must have always existed because something doesn‟t come from nothing. “Nothing is what rocks dream about.” - Aristotle, Philosopher “I never asserted so absurd a proposition as that anything might arise without a cause.” - David Hume, Skeptic/Atheist © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  10. God Does Exist? How to think about true „nothingness‟… particles matter …everything energy motion space © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  11. God Does Exist? True „nothingness‟… © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  12. God Does Exist? 3. Two Options: 1. An Eternal Universe (impersonal eternality) “The Cosmos is all there will ever be” – Carl Sagan. 2. An Eternal Creator (personal eternality) “In the beginning, God…” – Genesis. © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  13. God Does Exist? 4. Science has disproven the concept of an eternal universe. The fact is: The Universe had a beginning. • Everything that has a beginning has a cause • The universe had a beginning • Therefore, the universe had a cause “Philosophically, the notion of a beginning of the present order of Nature is repugnant…I should like to find a genuine loophole.” – Sir Arthur Eddington © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  14. God Does Exist? 4. Science has disproven the concept of an eternal universe. Proof Point 1: The universe is running down. • Something that is running down must have started at some point • The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that the universe is running out of usable energy • If you doubt this, look in the mirror (you‟re aging and running down) • First law of thermodynamics is philosophical in nature; can‟t be empirically proven © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  15. God Does Exist? 4. Science has disproven the concept of an eternal universe. Proof Point 2: The universe is expanding. • Confirmed through the Hubble telescope • It‟s expanding from a single point • Universe is not expanding into space, but space itself is expanding • Commonly called the “Big Bang” – nothing, then BANG – something © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  16. God Does Exist? 4. Science has disproven the concept of an eternal universe. Proof Point 3: Radiation echo. • Discovered by Bell Labs scientists Penzias and Wilson in 1965 • Afterglow from the Big Bang; won Penzias & Wilson Nobel Prize • Death blow to any theory of the universe being in a steady state © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  17. God Does Exist? 4. Science has disproven the concept of an eternal universe. Proof Point 4: Galaxy Seeds. • If Big Bang was true, then temperature “ripples” should exist • These ripples would enable matter to collect into galaxies • Cosmic Background Explorer – COBE – launched in 1989 to find them • Findings released in 1992 – perfect/precise ripples found to enable galaxies to form “If you‟re religious, it‟s like looking at God” - George Smoot, NASA, COBE Lead © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  18. God Does Exist? 4. Science has disproven the concept of an eternal universe. Proof Point 5: Einstein‟s theory of relativity. • Einstein‟s pantheistic bias originally influenced his original formula • He was proven wrong by another mathematician (he actually divided by zero) • Einstein called it the worst mistake he‟d ever made • Theory demands an absolute beginning for time, space, and matter “I want to know how God created the universe” - Albert Einstein © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  19. God Does Exist? Still…some scientists try get around this fact by saying: • Life on earth originated from a rocket sent from outer space (F.H. Crick, co-discoverer of DNA and Richard Dawkins, famed atheist) • Collapsing universes (disproven from galaxy seeds; not enough energy) • Imaginary time (Stephen Hawking) \"If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God.\" - Lord Kelvin, British Scientist “In real time, the universe has a beginning and an end at singularities that form a boundary to space-time and at which the laws of science break down.” – Stephen Hawking © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  20. God Does Exist? Something else to consider on an impersonal eternality… Would it not be strange that an impersonal, amoral, and purposeless/meaningless universe accidentally created beings that are full of personality and so obsessed with right/wrong, meaning, and purpose? In addition, the question of unity and diversity arise. Unity may be explained by an impersonal eternality, but not diversity. An impersonal eternality means everything must come from impersonality plus time plus chance. No other factors are involved. © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  21. God Does Exist? The Personal, Infinite, and Triune God Father God Spirit Son Is not Unity in Diversity © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  22. God Does Exist? The atheist‟s response? “The universe is just there…” – Carl Sagan “There doesn‟t need to be a reason…” – Atheist on Christian Forum When the atheist makes this statement, they do so by faith alone. Out the door go all the logic, science, reason, and touch-and-feel-it evidence atheists claim are so necessary to believe in God. Now it becomes a matter of the will. © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  23. God Does Exist? The atheist‟s response? “Evolution disproves God.” How does evolution answer the question of existence? Only two choices – matter before mind or mind before matter. “It is strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second.” – John Lennox © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  24. God Does Exist? OK, but…Who created God? Category mistake (e.g. Where is the bachelor‟s wife?) Irrelevant as you must go back to an eternal „something‟ The evidence points away from an impersonal eternal universe and toward a powerful, intelligent, moral personal Creator © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  25. God Does Exist? So…. • If I exist, and… • If something eternal exists (because something doesn‟t come from nothing), and… • If there are only two possible eternal entities (an eternal universe or an eternal creator), and… • If an eternal universe has been disproven (and it has), then… An eternal Creator exists. © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  26. God Does Plain “Open your eyes, there it is!” – Romans 1:19 The Message © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  27. God Does Exist? Yes, God exists. • He is the reason we have something instead of nothing • He is the creator of the heavens and the earth • He is the reason you can read this right now – that you exist at all © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  28. God Does “In the beginning God created…” © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org
  29. God Does God Does Exist? Yes, He Does! © Confident Christians – www.confidentchristians.org

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