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Young people, young families, other
newcomers
Attenders making changes in their lives,
Attenders ready to discuss faith
Support for those with roles
Contemporary style of music and worship
Let us hold unswervingly to the
hope we profess, for he who promised
is faithful. 24 And let us consider how
we may spur one another on toward
love and good deeds. 25 Let us not
give up meeting together, as some
are in the habit of doing, but let us
encourage one another—and all the
more as you see the Day
approaching.
23
This is a church!
Will this Church
persevere me in
Christ till Jesus Christ
comes
16 Watch your life and doctrine closely.
Persevere in them, because if you do, you
will save both yourself and your hearers. 1
Tim 4
Rev 2:14-16
Rev 2:18-25
Rev 3:1-3
Faithful
teaching/doctrine

Faithful living/life
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful
for teaching, rebuking, correcting and
training in righteousness so that the man of
God may be thoroughly equipped for every
good work
2 Timothy 3:16-17
Bible

Tradition

Experience

Reason
431 AD Council of Ephesus - Mary was
declared to be the mother of God as
well as mother of Jesus Christ
1477 AD Popes Sixtus IV – Mary was
Immaculately Conceived (Free from
all sin at birth)
1883 AD Pope Leo XIII – Mary was the
mediatrix of graces
1950 AD Pope Pius XII - Mary bodily
assumed into heaven
In line with this, Pope Pius showed the
relation of the Assumption to the Immaculate
Conception:
For she, by a completely singular privilege,
conquered sin in her Immaculate Conception,
and thus was not liable to that law of
remaining in the corruption of the grave, nor
did she have to wait for the end of time for the
redemption of her body"
Global Catholic Network
And Mary said:
“My soul glorifies the Lord
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
Luke 1:47-48
5 For there is one God and one
mediator between God and men, the
man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself
as a ransom for all men—the
testimony given in its proper time.
1 Tim 2:5
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the
command of God for the sake of your
tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your
father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses
his father or mother must be put to death.’ 5
But you say that if a man says to his father or
mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise
have received from me is a gift devoted to
God,’ 6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it.
Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake
of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he
prophesied about you:
8 ”‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.’”
Matt 15:3-9
Bible

Tradition

Experience

Reason
I see the Bible as a human response to God…
it contains their stories of God, their
perceptions of God’s character and will, their
prayers to and praise of God, their
perceptions of the human condition and the
paths of deliverance, their religious and
ethical practices, and their understanding of
what faithfulness to God involves. As the
product of these two communities, the Bible
thus tells us how they saw things, not about
how God sees things.
Pg 22-23
“This is the one I esteem:
he who is humble
and contrite in spirit,
and trembles at my word.
Isaiah 66:2
In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will
judge the living and the dead, and in view of his
appearing and his kingdom, I give you this
charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season
and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—
with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the
time will come when men will not put up with
sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires,
they will gather around them a great number of
teachers to say what their itching ears want to
hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth
and turn aside to myths. 2 Tim 4:1
Bible

Tradition

Experience

Reason
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord,
Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but
only he who does the will of my Father who is
in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day,
‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your
name, and in your name drive out demons and
perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell
them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from
me, you evildoers!’
Matt 7:21-23
9 The coming of the lawless one will be in
accordance with the work of Satan displayed
in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and
wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that
deceives those who are perishing. They perish
because they refused to love the truth and so
be saved.
2 Thess 2:9-10
Bible
Tradition

Experience

Reason
Faithful
teaching/doctrine

Faithful living/life
But everyone who hears these words of
mine and does not put them into
practice is like a foolish man who built
his house on sand. 27 The rain came
down, the streams rose, and the winds
blew and beat against that house, and it
fell with a great crash.” Mt 7:26
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord,
Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but
only he who does the will of my Father who is
in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day,
‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your
name, and in your name drive out demons and
perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell
them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from
me, you evildoers!’
Matt 7:21-23
Will this Church
persevere me in
Christ till Jesus Christ
comes
Faithful
teaching/doctrine

Faithful living/life
“What right do you ever have to leave a
church?”
 

Good Reasons for Moving On—The Four P’s

1.Providential moving
 
2. Planting another church
 
 3. Purity has been lost — no more faithful
teaching or living
 
 4. Peace of the church is in jeopardy due to
my presence
“What right do you ever have to leave a
church?”

Possible Reasons for Moving On—The three S’s
1.Spouse
 
2. Special Needs
 
 3. Special Gifts
 
“What right do you ever have to leave a
church?”

Bad Reasons for Moving On
1.Children’s Ministry
2. Buzz
3. Youth Group
4. Church has changed
5. New Pastor
6. I’m Not Being Ministered to
7. Music
8. Other reasons

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How to choose a church

  • 1. Things that matter to newcomers Young people, young families, other newcomers Attenders making changes in their lives, Attenders ready to discuss faith Support for those with roles Contemporary style of music and worship
  • 2. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. 25 Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. 23
  • 3. This is a church!
  • 4. Will this Church persevere me in Christ till Jesus Christ comes
  • 5. 16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. 1 Tim 4
  • 8. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work 2 Timothy 3:16-17
  • 10. 431 AD Council of Ephesus - Mary was declared to be the mother of God as well as mother of Jesus Christ 1477 AD Popes Sixtus IV – Mary was Immaculately Conceived (Free from all sin at birth) 1883 AD Pope Leo XIII – Mary was the mediatrix of graces 1950 AD Pope Pius XII - Mary bodily assumed into heaven
  • 11. In line with this, Pope Pius showed the relation of the Assumption to the Immaculate Conception: For she, by a completely singular privilege, conquered sin in her Immaculate Conception, and thus was not liable to that law of remaining in the corruption of the grave, nor did she have to wait for the end of time for the redemption of her body" Global Catholic Network
  • 12. And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has been mindful of the humble state of his servant. Luke 1:47-48
  • 13. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time. 1 Tim 2:5
  • 14. 3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ 6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
  • 15. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 ”‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’” Matt 15:3-9
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  • 18. I see the Bible as a human response to God… it contains their stories of God, their perceptions of God’s character and will, their prayers to and praise of God, their perceptions of the human condition and the paths of deliverance, their religious and ethical practices, and their understanding of what faithfulness to God involves. As the product of these two communities, the Bible thus tells us how they saw things, not about how God sees things. Pg 22-23
  • 19. “This is the one I esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word. Isaiah 66:2
  • 20. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage— with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 2 Tim 4:1
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  • 24. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matt 7:21-23
  • 25. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 2 Thess 2:9-10
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  • 29. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.” Mt 7:26
  • 30. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matt 7:21-23
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  • 34. Will this Church persevere me in Christ till Jesus Christ comes
  • 36. “What right do you ever have to leave a church?”   Good Reasons for Moving On—The Four P’s 1.Providential moving   2. Planting another church    3. Purity has been lost — no more faithful teaching or living    4. Peace of the church is in jeopardy due to my presence
  • 37. “What right do you ever have to leave a church?” Possible Reasons for Moving On—The three S’s 1.Spouse   2. Special Needs    3. Special Gifts  
  • 38. “What right do you ever have to leave a church?” Bad Reasons for Moving On 1.Children’s Ministry 2. Buzz 3. Youth Group 4. Church has changed 5. New Pastor 6. I’m Not Being Ministered to 7. Music 8. Other reasons