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  • 1. Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMSSource: http://www.nairaland.com/82638/ramses-cleopatra-nefertiti-original-egyptiansRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 1|Page
  • 2. A NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUM DISCUSSION 07i asked an arab egyptian boy at school about black people being the real Egyptians and he toldme that has not been proved yet and it is still a contentious claim and not yet accepted by theirgovernment, (what rubbish!!!!! ) please does anyone have the answers??ibis:to the best of my knowledge, the original Egyptians ie the great pharaohs who brought us thegreat Egyptian civilization, hieroglyphics etc where black people. this is stuff the west is sotripped about and flock into Egypt to see every day, and the arabs who are now who we know asthe "egyptians" are busy takin all the gloryIt is absolutely true that the ancient pharaohs were black, however this goes against the grain ofstereotype so dont expect whites and arabs to believe you when you say so even when theEgyptians themselves recorded this fact both in vivid paintings, hieroglyphics,, mummies andsculptures.Cleopatra is the only one who i think still remains contentious as there are conflicting theoriesabout her race. All the other pharaohs were black.There is one thing everyone is clear on - the ancient Egyptians were NOT arab! The so-calledarab part of Egypt is confined to urban centers like Cairo and Alexandria - other areas revealancient Egypts black history.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by toshmann(m): 3:11pm OnOct 03, 2007@davidsource plsRe: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Jen33(m): 9:56pm On Oct03, 2007Toshmann did you REALLY ask for a source??Well, here are sources of various kinds, not just one. Happy reading and viewing!Ancient Egyptian ethnographic "mural of the races" found in the tomb of Rameses III -Monuments from Egypt and Ethiopia by Karl Richard Lepsius (German: "Denkmaler ausAgypten und Athiopian" . French Egyptologist Champollion found similar murals in otherroyal tombs.Left to right are the Egyptian, the Semite, Other Africans, and last the Nahasu (barbarian)(white caucasian).Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 2|Page
  • 3. Black Africa in the ancient world was called Ethiopia."One Picture is worth more than ten thousand words." - Chinese ProverbCatechism: "The Egyptians called their country Kemet or Black country."Heres what the Ancient Egyptian language has to say (Ref: EHD, page 787b.):Note: words inside brackets are the determinatives or word classifiers along withtheir English meanings.Kem, kame, kmi, kmem, kmom = to be blackKememu = Black people (Ancient Egyptians) in both Ancient and modernEgyptian (Kmemou).Kem [khet][wood] = extremely black, jet-blackKemet = any black thing. Note: "t" is silent - pronounced KeméKemet [nu][community, settlement, nation] = Black nation = Ancient Egypt.Kemet [Romé][people] = Black people. Ancient Egyptians.Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 3|Page
  • 4. King Tutunkahamun (found in his tomb)Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 4|Page
  • 5. Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 5|Page
  • 6. Queen Tiye (King Tuts mother)Kemit [Shoit][books] = Black books, Ancient Egyptian literature.Kem wer [miri][large body of water] = The Great Black sea (The Red sea). This sea is neitherblack nor red, this is in reference to which nation, Black or Red, at a particular time, controlledthis body of water.(Interestingly, the ancient Egyptian word for water (miri) is the same used by Igbos (miri), andsimilar to Yorubas (o-mi).Many other such linguistic connections abound.Kemi fer = Black double house; seat of government. Note: by reference to Wolof again, weknow that to make a plural of per or house, the "p" becomes an "f" or fer. Thus fero=great houses(double), it is not pero as Budge writes.Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 6|Page
  • 7. In Ancient Egyptian, the ordinary adjective always follows the noun it modifies, whereas asanctified adjective usually comes before its noun. The sanctified adjectives are:Kem -- BlackSuten - RoyalNter --- Holy, SacredExamples:Kem ti = Black image, sacred image : ti oubash = white imageKem ho = Black face/title of a god : ho oubash = white faceKem ta = Black land, holy land : Ta deshret = Red land (also; Ta Sett)Nefertiti. This was the result of an experiment by British experts who inputed the skull remainsof the ancient queen into a cutting edge computer program to reproduce a version of her originalfeatures.Reportedly, the British experts nearly fell of their chairs in shock when the computer producedthe image above.According to the Ancient Egyptians, the second Egyptian ruling ethnic/classs ancestralhomeland was Punt (Somalia). They referred to this land as "Ta Nteru" (Land of the gods). Toemphasize their Puntite origins, the Egyptians portrayed the Puntites in the exact same manner inwhich they portrayed themselves. This new ruling ethnic/class called themselves "Mesnitu" (Metalwworkers/blacksmiths), and was also referred to as "Shemsu Hor" (Followers of Horus).These Mesnitu had overthrown the original ruling ethnic/class, the Anu (those belonging toOsiriss ethnic group; and yes, Osiris was a real life personage), who had previously establishedits domination over all of Egypt through military conquest and political unification. Their placeof origin was "Ta Seti" (Land of the Bow) in the Sudan. Gradually tradition would identify bothSomalia and the Sudan as "Ta Khent" (Land of the Beginning or Ancestral land).The answers to the questions "Where did the Ancient Egyptians come from?" or "What racewere the Ancient Egyptians?" have already been given centuries ago, by the Ancient Egyptiansthemselves.Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 7|Page
  • 8. It isnt a surprise, however, that such relevant information on Ancient Egypt by the AncientEgyptians themselves, is never mentioned in contemporary books about Ancient Egypt.Just in case the Ancient Egyptians were confused or possibly mistaken as to what they were, hereare some observations from,The Ancient ChroniclesThe KJV BibleAnd the sons of Ham; Cush (Nubia), and Mizraim (Egypt), and Phut (East Africa), and Canaan(Palestine). And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mightyhunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before theLORD. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in theland of Shinar. Genesis 10:6-10And they (the sons of Judah upon entering Canaan) found fat pasture and good, and the landwas wide, and quiet, and peaceable; for they of Ham had dwelt there of old. I Chronicles 4:40Israel also came into Egypt; and Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham, They forgat God theirsaviour, which had done great things in Egypt; wondrous works in the land of Ham, and terriblethings by the Red Sea. Psalms 105:23, 106:21-22And the lord said, like as my servant Isaiah hath walked Unclad and barefoot three years for asign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia. For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One ofIsrael, thy saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isaiah 20:3, 43:3And the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall be in Ethiopia, when the slain shallfall in Egypt, and they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations shall be brokendown. Ezekial 30:4(Pharaohs daughter) I am black, and comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents ofKedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Song of Solomon 1Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength and it was infinite. Nahum 3:9Kebra Nagast (Ethiopian bible - "The Glory of Kings"Solomon has taken a wife not of his color, who is moreover black, for he has married thedaughter of Pharaoh.Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 8|Page
  • 9. The Greek ChroniclesHerodotus (Called The father of history by western historians.Origins of the Oracle of DodonaAt Dodona, however, the priestesses who deliver the oracles have a different version of the story:two black doves, they say, flew away from Thebes in Egypt, and one of them alighted at Dodona,the other in Libya (Africa), The story which the people of Dodona tell about the doves came, Ishould say, from the fact that the women were foreigners, whose language sounded to them likethe twittering of birds, As to the bird being black, they merely signify by this that the woman wasEgyptian. -book IIColchians are of Egyptian DescentBut it is undoubtedly a fact that the Colchians are of Egyptian descent, My own idea on thesubject was based on the fact that they have black skins and wooly hair, and secondly, and moreespecially, on the fact that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians are the only raceswhich from ancient times have practiced circumcision. -book IIAristotleThose who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. Butthose who are excessively white are also cowards as can be seen from the example of women, thecomplexion of courage is between the two -Physiognomy 6Diodorus of SicilyOrigins of the EgyptiansThe Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies, which was led into Egypt byOsiris. They claim that at the beginning of the world Egypt was simply a sea but that the Nile,carrying down vast quantities of loam from Ethiopia in its flood waters, finally filled it in andmade it part of the continent, They add that the Egyptians have received from them, as fromauthors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws. -Universal History, book IIIColossi of MemnonThese are two colossal seated statues of Pharaoh Amenhotep III in western Thebes. At dawn, thenorthern statue emitted a whistling sound. Ancient Greeks who visited the statue called it thevocal Memnon, thinking the figure represented the Homeric character Memnon, singing to hismother Eos, the goddess of the dawn.Memnon was an Ethiopian king who went to troy to help Priam, his uncle, and was killed byAchilles.Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 9|Page
  • 10. To the Ancient Greeks; Egyptian - Ethiopian - same thing.Ancient clues found in Egypt:(I sure know whites or arabs dont use these)When visiting Egypt today, this is what we see of The Sphinx of Giza.This is what Vivant Denon saw in 1798 before the Sphinx was defaced."Israel also came into Egypt, the land of Ham." (Psalm 105: 23).Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 10 | P a g e
  • 11. Pharoah Menkaure (Third Dynasty)Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 11 | P a g e
  • 12. King UsekafeRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 12 | P a g e
  • 13. Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 13 | P a g e
  • 14. Egyptian priestRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 14 | P a g e
  • 15. Man from Old KingdomRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 15 | P a g e
  • 16. Egyptian priest 2nd dynastyRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 16 | P a g e
  • 17. King Nyamare Amenhemet (2nd Dynasty)Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 17 | P a g e
  • 18. Pharoah HotepsekhamiRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 18 | P a g e
  • 19. Pharoah DjoserRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 19 | P a g e
  • 20. Queen HatshepshuRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 20 | P a g e
  • 21. Pharoah Peri Anku IVthRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 21 | P a g e
  • 22. Rameses IIRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 22 | P a g e
  • 23. King Amenehmet III The dreadlocked Pharaoh.Toshmann, if you need more sources, let me know!One last thing. Because of the western/arab conspiracy to shield the truth of the African nature ofAncient Egypt, you will notice that many of the statues have their noses chiselled off, or sawnoff. But the stubbornly negroid base of the noses displays the truth.Many of the practices of the Egyptians which western historians term strange are actuallyAfrican customs. Circumcision, the divinity of kings, matrilineal succession, bride price, pouringof libation, festivals, naming ceremonies, elaborate burials, to name a few.Of course if you look around the world, who are the only people who practise these things intheir entirety till today, not black Africans?Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 23 | P a g e
  • 24. Egypt fell to foreign hands first with the invasion of the Greeks, led by Alexander The Great,who sacked the country and had thousands of Africans migrating southwards. This is why manytraditions in West Africa ascribe a Nile Valley origin of one form or another to their histories.Many African groups have the tradition of having migrated from the land of the great river,Following Alexanders conquest in 30 BC, Ptolemy, the Greek, became ruler of Egypt.By then the pyramids were already ancient relics, having been constructed between 5000 to 2000BC.So you may find recent Greek like sculptures of Egyptian aristocrats, such as Cleopatra, butthese are from what is known as the Late Period, starting from a few years BC, when Egypt hadfallen under Greek rule.Then in 600AD, Egypt was overrun by Arabs, leading to further emigration of blackssouthwards.It is believed by Yorubas that this was the period Oduduwa led his people down to Nigeria, toescape the Islamic hordes bent on converting them away from their religion,This is why Cairo, Alexandra etc today are Arab cities, with no real connection to the history ofthe place.And this is why outside of those two cities even today in Egypt, youre more or less in blackAfrica.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by davidylan(m): 11:00pmOn Oct 03, 2007Thanks Jen33, the obvious clue lies in the systematic defacing of the noses of most of thesculptures in existence today including the sphinx.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by toshmann(m): 11:34pmOn Oct 03, 2007@jen33you win@davidknowledge can only improve when shared. now i know better. asking for source wasnt to insultur intergrity but to get me better informedRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 24 | P a g e
  • 25. by the way. . . . .king tut was black?was he not the "boy king" who ruled from age 9- age 18 or so? was he black? chei, BBC don killme. i watched a documentary on king tut and they showed a whiteyRe: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by davidylan(m): 12:20amOn Oct 04, 2007toshmann:@davidknowledge can only improve when shared. now i know better. asking for source wasnt to insultyour intergrity but to get me better informedNah, i didnt take it that way. i was thinking it would take me ages to start showing u proof untilJen33 helped me out. no offence taken at all. I first saw most of my proof on Discovery channeldocumentaries on King Tut, Tutankhamen and Queen Nefertiti.toshmann:by the way. . . . .king tut was black?was he not the "boy king" who ruled from age 9- age 18 or so? was he black? chei, BBC don killme. i watched a documentary on king tut and they showed a whiteyOf course the bust made of King Tut depicts a white man. Ancient Egyptian sculptures andhieroglyphics however contradicts that.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by beneli(m): 12:04pm OnOct 04, 2007I think its about time our intellectuals became more interested in getting some of this kind ofstuff out to a wider audience. Because this is the only way we can start re-engineering themindset of our people.You see, as long as the majority of our people continues to believe the errors about our ancienthistory, which our detractors want us to believe, then we will continue with the kind of primitiveand embarrasing intranecine bitching that we prefer to engage in.We have become the laughing stock of every other race as we continue to trudge along,generation after generation, under the oppressive weight of the slave mentality that has grippedus for many centuries. And which will keep us as the defeated people that our detractors want usto remain.Guys! our ancestors built the Pyramids and the Sphinx and gave birth to a civilization whichothers have so passionately tried to erase from the memory of mankinds history, and almostRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 25 | P a g e
  • 26. succeeded.Ancient Egypt is a testament to what we have been and what we can be.Think about it.Think about what an internalising of such truth can do to the psyche of our leaders. Think aboutwhat it would do to the mentality of the youth in the ghettos of shame where our detractors try tosubjugate us to once we come to them in search of the crumbs from their benevolent colonialtables; Colonial tables of those who have so tried to efface us.Think about it.And dont you now see how it can transform us and why the world would prefer for us to seeourselves only the way they want us to be seen; as victims of slavery and colonisation born outof their "altruistic" desire to set us free from our self-destructive savagery?Methinks that this is the kind of stuff that those who are responsible for developing theeducational curricula in our schools back home should start finding ways to teach our children;And let them who make movies start developing scripts, which tell of our proud past, let thosewho write tell these stories because no one else will do it for us.Our detractors may call it propaganda or whatever they wish:I would prefer to call it what it is; the renaissance of the race who gave the world the Pharohs.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Jen33(m): 5:15am On Oct05, 2007Well spoken, beneli.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Horus(m): 10:59am OnOct 05, 2007Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 26 | P a g e
  • 27. Mummy of MaihirpreIn March, 1899 (exactly one year after his discovery of the cache tomb of Amenhotep II) VictorLoret ordered his workmen to make a series of sondages in an area of the Valley of the KingsRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 27 | P a g e
  • 28. (Egypt)between the tombs of Tuthmosis I (KV 38) and Amenhotep II (KV 35.) He eventuallyuncovered a shaft, approximately twenty six feet deep, with a small chamber cut into one side.Loret descended the shaft, entered the chamber, and made another remarkable find: the firstessentially intact tomb ever found in the Valley of the Kings. Inscriptional evidence indicatedthat the small tomb (KV 36) belonged to a man named Maihirpre. His funerary equipmentconstituted the most complete assemblage of such objects found in the Valley up to that time,and would remain so until Theodore Davis discovered the tomb of Yuya and Tuyu in 1905. Obviously of 18th Dynasty derivation, the exact date of the burial is still disputed, andevidence from the tomb can lend support to several different dating schemes. A linen wrappingfound on Maihirpres mummy bears the cartouche of Hatshepsut. Influenced by the presence ofthis cartouche, Steindorff speculated that Maihirpre might have been a companion of TuthmosisI, Hatshepsuts father. Quibell also based his conclusions on the Hatshepsut cartouche (as well ason pottery considerations) but argued that the tomb should be dated to the time of Tuthmosis III,and Daressy accepted Quibells dating in his Fouilles. Today, some researchers believe that thelinen wrapping with the Hatshepsut cartouche was a kind of antique, old in Maihirpres lifetime,because other objects in KV 36 clearly point to periods later than that of the female Pharaoh. Oneof these, a beautiful glass vase, has been dated to the reign of Amenhotep II on stylistic grounds.In his 1908 Guide to the Cairo Museum, Gaston Maspero also dates Maihirpres burial to thereign of Amenhotep II, a view which was shared by Hayes, G. E. Smith, and Cyril Aldred.However, Maspero changed his mind in the 1915 edition of his Guide, in which he dated KV 36to the time of Amenhotep III, a date which was also accepted by Rex Engelbach. Masperoprobably based his view on a consideration of the box and loincloths of Maihirpre found alongwith a fragmentary box of Amenhotep III in 1902 by Howard Carter. Maihirpres coffins,sarcophagus and canopic equipment (see below) bear a close stylistic resemblance to thefunerary ensemble of Yuya and Tuyu, and would also seem to derive from sometime during thereign of Amenhotep III. C. N. Reeves dates KV 36 to the time of Tuthmosis IV, a view also heldby Alfred Lucas and his reviser, J. R. Harris. Never properly published by Loret, the only account of the discovery written while the objectswere still in situ within KV 36 was penned by Georg Schweinfurth, a botanist, and appeared inthe popular German magazine Vossische Zeitung on May 25, 1899. Three years later, GeorgesDaressy published photographic plates of the mummy and the tombs contents in his CatalogueGeneral des Antiquites Egyptiennes du Musee du Caire: Fouilles de la Vallee des Rois ([Cairo,1902,] pp. 281-298) and this long out of print book has remained the only extensivephotographic record of the find ever published. Unless otherwise indicated, the photographs ofMaihirpre and his funerary equipment used on this website are from Daressys work. Theyprovide a valuable visual record of an important Egyptological discovery that has been largelyforgotten by the general public today.Maihirpres mummy (Pictures) was found resting in a nested set of two coffins contained withina large rectangular wooden sarcophagus. Schweinfurth reported that thieves had removed someof the bandages from the mummy, and his statement was confirmed by Daressy, who added thedetail that large sections of bandages had been cut with a sharp instrument which had beenRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 28 | P a g e
  • 29. applied with particular force to the bandages of the legs. Reeves dates this illicit activity inMaihirpres tomb to the Ramesside period based on the evidence of 20th Dynasty ostraca foundin the vicinity of KV 36 by Howard Carter in 1902. In spite of its ill-treatment by tomb robbers, Maihirpres mummy retained its cartonnagemummy mask and still had about a dozen different articles of jewelry in place among the tatteredbandages or lying loose in the coffin. Among these were bracelets, collars, plaques, and a scarab.The embalming incision was still covered with a plain gold plate which the thieves had alsomanaged to miss. The mummy itself, which was unwrapped on March 22, 1901, was very well preserved.According to Daressy, Maihirpre was a young man when he died, probably not much over 20years of age. Dennis Forbes reminds us that Daressy was not a trained anatomist and that hisestimate of Maihirpres age at death is "certainly not expert opinion." However, it seems evidentthat Maihirpre was far from being elderly. The fact that his teeth are only mildly worn is a goodindication of a young age at death. The ancient Egyptian practice of mixing grain with sand andgrit in order to aid the grinding process produced a kind of bread that was dentally abrasive andable to wear down the teeth in relatively short order. Maihirpres mummy measures 5 feet, 4.75 inches and his skin is dark brown. Daressy believedthat this skin color is not the result of chemical reactions with the embalming materials, and mostwriters contend the Maihirpre was at least part Nubian. The curly hair which is so visiblyprominent on the mummys head would initially seem to confirm Maihirpres Nubian ancestry.Maihirpres ears were pierced, and he was uncircumcised. No wounds or obvious signs of illnessappear on his body that might help to indicate the cause of his death, but, as Dennis Forbespoints out, Maihirpre has never been examined by an experienced anatomist. The skin wasmissing on the soles of his feet, but this probably occurred during the embalming process. Maihirpre bore several important titles. He was referred to as a "child of the k3p," a titlenormally used to designate a foreign prince who had been raised from an early age in Egypt. Thispractice, which came into vogue during the New Kingdom, helped to cultivate a sense of loyaltytoward Egypt in the children of vassal-state rulers. He also bore the important title "fanbearer tothe king" and was one of the earliest people to hold this designation. Dennis Forbes points outthat this title was often held by the Viceroy of Kush himself. Maspero speculated that Maihirpremay have been the son of Tuthmosis IV or Amenhotep III and a Nubian concubine, but no hardinscriptional evidence supports this. It is hard to imagine a son of the Pharaoh, even by a lesserconcubine, who would not unambiguously proclaim his half-royal parentage in one of hispersonal titles.Source-1: http://www.geocities.com/royalmummies/Maihirpre/Maihirpre.htmSource-2: http://cuip.uchicago.edu/~jhawkins/1999/Ancientmummies.htmlSource-3: http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/maiherperi.htmlRe: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Horus(m): 11:55am OnOct 12, 2007Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 29 | P a g e
  • 30. King TutankhamunKing TutankhamunSome of you have seen this before Im sure, and for those that havent, that is the face of KingTutankhamun. Its[b] NOT[/b] an artistic representation, but rather a complete reconstructionRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 30 | P a g e
  • 31. based on his physical remains using SCIENTIFIC METHODS.That means they used his bone structure, ethnicity and many other factors to create a[b]REALISTIC [/b]depiction of what he looked like in life.Also, this work was the collaboration of Scientists from America and Europe.You can find out how they did it here:http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/antenna/tutankhamun/Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by naija_diva(f): 7:55pm OnOct 12, 2007i dont care what anyone says, egyptians are black. just because they are light doesnt mean athing. black comes in all shades.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by davidylan(m): 9:16pm OnOct 12, 2007the Egyptians painted themselves as very dark in complexion, it is those who are uncomfortablewith the facts that the black race may have been the most powerful race on earth at a time theywere still hunting animals with sticks and living in nearderthal caves who struggle so hard togive the Egyptians lighter skin tones.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Horus(m): 10:34am OnOct 14, 2007King Tutankhamun and AnkhesenamonSource: http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/kingtutankhamunshine.htmlRe: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by ibis: 8:32pm On Oct 15,2007the world tries to make it seem black people only excel in sports and music etc but notintellectually.Great brains were behind egypt!!!!!!!!!!Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Ndipe(m): 9:52pm On Oct30, 2007Ironically, Egyptians dont regard themselves as black.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by davidylan(m): 10:04pmOn Oct 30, 2007Ndipe:Ironically, Egyptians dont regard themselves as black.Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 31 | P a g e
  • 32. The real Egyptians were not arabs. Those presently calling themselves pharaohs today areimpostors and offspring of the arabs who invaded most of black north africa after the rise ofislam. Beyond Cairo and Alexandria you could as well be any place in Subsaharan africa . . . therest of Egypt is populated by blacks. Ever heard of the coptic christians?Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Ndipe(m): 10:47pm OnOct 30, 2007Does the title "Pharoh still exists in Egypt, or does it?Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by davidylan(m): 11:39pmOn Oct 30, 2007The Egyptian national soccer team is known as the pharaohs.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Ndipe(m): 11:53pm OnOct 30, 2007Living in the past, can you blame the? Which African leaders, (past or present) last name can beequated with the Pharoh title?Nkrumah? Mandela?Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Horus(m): 12:06pm OnOct 31, 2007This image shows a computer reconstructionof what is believed to be the face of Nefertiti.Could this be the profile of Nefertiti?By Tim Friend, USA TODAYIs this Nefertiti? Two months ago, a team of Egyptologists led by British scientist Joann Fletcherof the University of York announced that a neglected mummy collecting dust in a nondescripttomb was actually that of ancient Egypts most famous female ruler.In an effort to confirm her identity, two British experts have applied their forensic skills to digitalX-rays of the skull.Neither Damian Schofield of Nottingham University nor Martin Evison of Sheffield Universityknew in advance the identity of their "victim." They specialize in reconstructing human facesfrom skulls for murder cases in which the victim is unknown.Schofield and Evison created a 3-D computer mesh of the skull, then placed a series of markersto designate where tissue would be added. Next, they added facial muscles to give the face itsfull depth and contour. Finally, a graphic artist added skin texture, eye color, lips and the crown.Schofield and Evison say the reconstruction does not prove the skull belongs to Nefertiti. Butthey were surprised at the similarities with Nefertitis bust, which was made during her lifetimeRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 32 | P a g e
  • 33. and is displayed at the Egyptian Museum in Berlin.Says Fletcher: "I was bowled over by it, to be honest. The face is that of a very strong individualindeed. She has such a beautiful profile. She is stunning."Nefertitis image is one of the most popular today from ancient Egypt. But the real queen washated by Egyptian society after her reign ended. An unusually powerful queen, she reigned withher husband, Akhenaten, who ruled from 1352 to 1336 B.C., during the late 18th dynasty.Nefertiti may have ruled as pharaoh for three years after his death.Nefertiti vanished from Egyptian history with no trace of a royal tomb or evidence of a burial.Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2003-08-12-nefertiti-usat_x.htmRe: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by goodbobo: 12:08pm OnNov 01, 2007The white world have succedded in making we blacks feel that we are not any force to recornwith when it comes to intelligence and creativity and the honest but painful truth is that so manyof us believe that . I have a black american friend who just came to Nigeria to spend 3 weeks .she was so suprised at what she saw . she said over there in the US they were told all sorts ofunbelievable things about africa . she said they were told that on the street of lagos , people goabout begging on the street , lots of starvation and acute poverty . That lagos is very very unsafethat u can hardly go out . But to her greatest amazement , she enjoyed every bit of her stay inLagos .All the great brains that are black are never reported nor celebrated . Do u know that our owncomputer genius Philip Emagweile is one of the greatest brains that worked the surface of theearth but we only know his cos he is nigerian but who many people worldwide know him theyway other great brains are all known . The truth is , not even the asains can stand the kind ofbrains we have . The asians have only been so successful today cos they were able to build onexisting technology . How many discoveries or creations have they been able to makethemselves .There is even another very very great brain i just found out . His name is Dr. MarkDean , a black manu can read more about him here :"Americas High Tech "Invisible Man"By Tyrone D. TabornYou may not have heard of Dr. Mark Dean. And you arent alone. But almost everything in yourlife has been affected by his work.See, Dr. Mark Dean is a Ph.D. from Stanford University. He is in theNational Hall of Inventors.He has more than 30 patents pending. He is a vice president with IBM. Oh, yeah. And he is alsothe architect of the modern-day personal computer. Dr. Dean holds three of the original ninepatents on the computer that all PCs are based upon. And, Dr. Mark Dean is an AfricanRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 33 | P a g e
  • 34. American.So how is! it that we can celebrate the 20th anniversary of the IBM personal computer withoutreading or hearing a single word about him? Given all of the pressure mass media are underabout negative portrayals of African Americans on television and in print, you would think itwould be a slam dunk to highlight someone like Dr. Dean.Somehow, though, we have managed to miss the shot. History is cruel when it comes to tellingthe stories of African Americans. Dr. Dean isnt the first Black inventor to be overlookedConsider John Stanard, inventor of the refrigerator, George Sampson, creator of the clothesdryer,Alexander Miles and his elevator, Lewis Latimer and the electric lamp.All of these inventors share two things:One, they changed the landscape of our society; and, two, society relegated them to the footnotesof history. Hopefully, Dr. Mark Dean wont go away as quietly as they did. He certainlyshouldnt. Dr. Dean helped start a Digital Revolution that created people like Microsofts BillGates and Dell Computers Michael Dell. Millions of jobs in information technology can betraced back directly to ! Dr. Dean.More important, stories like Dr. Mark Deans should serve as inspiration for African-Americanchildren. Already victims of the "Digital Divide" and failing school systems, young, Black kidsmight embrace technology with more enthusiasm! if they knew someone like Dr. Dean alreadywas leading the way.Although technically Dr. Dean cant be credited with creating thecomputer -- that is left to AlanTuring, a pioneering 20th-century English mathematician, widely considered to be the father ofmodern computer science -- Dr. Dean rightly deserves to take a bow for the machine we usetoday. The computer really wasnt practical for home or small business use until he came along,leading a team that developed the interior architecture (ISA systems! bus) that enables multipledevices, such as modems and printers, to be connected to personal computers.In other words, because of Dr. Dean, the PC became a part of our daily lives. For most of us,changing the face of society would have been enough. But not for Dr. Dean, Still in his earlyforties, he has! a lot of inventing left in him.He recently made history again by leading the design team responsible for creating the first 1-gigahertz processor chip, Its just another huge step in making computers faster and smaller. Asthe world congratulates itself for the new Digital Age brought on by the personal computer, weneed to guarantee that the African-American story is part of the hoopla surrounding the moststunning technological advance the world has ever seen, We cannot afford to let Dr. Mark Deanbecome a footnote in history. He is well worth his own history book.Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 34 | P a g e
  • 35. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO EVERY PERSON YOU KNOWRe: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by naijaking1: 9:18am OnNov 03, 2007Very interesting, I watched the director of Egyptian mesuem argue hopelessly about how theyare neither blacl nor white, but Egyptians.He must be trying to follow his government official position on the issue.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Horus(m): 9:42am OnNov 03, 2007when white peoples visit Egypt today, the locals immediately recognize them as Khawaaga orforeigners. On the other hand, African Americans [/b]traveling in Egypt are very oftenmistaken for [b]native Egyptians, and are usually referred to as Masri or Egyptians. That isbecause, The simple truth is that Egypt is, and always has been a black African nation. Once youleave the great Arab cities of Cairo and Alexandria, and go into the Nile valley, you are in blackAfrica. Now, Egypt has been ruled by an Arab minority since the 9th century A.D., a minoritythat is extremely sensitive to race, and one which behaves in the manner chided by Ahmed BenBella, the late president of Algeria - "We (Arabs) have been in Africa for 1200 years, and yet westill behave as colonialists."This Arab minority control the images you see on television aboutEgypt.Source: http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/mod_egyptians.htmlYoung Black Egyptian, MostafaBlack Egyptian musician, Upper EgyptBlack Egyptian driver, LuxorSource: http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/mod_egyptians.htmlRe: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by ereyomi: 4:14pm On Sep04, 2009thanks for keeping us all informed guys and also very excellent research work. i am definatelyproud to be an african!!!.Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 35 | P a g e
  • 36. Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by agathamari(f): 3:34pm OnSep 05, 2009i, as well as most children in the US were always taught that eqyptians were/are black. not until igot to nigeria and was told by numerous nigerians that anyone north of the sahara is not black orafrican which confuses me because its on the african continent and therefor would technicaly beafrican no? even teh face of africa compitition is for people from subsaharan africa. very odd.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Wrex(m): 11:20am OnFeb 20, 2010Thanks guys for this wonderful info.I am really proud to be an africanRe: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by ezeagu(m): 3:24pm OnFeb 21, 2010hehe.Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by pleep(m): 3:10am On Feb22, 2011cleopatra and most of the pharoes after alexander the great conquered eygpt were not eveneygptians they were greek.but I know for a fact that the early, true eygptian pharoes where black. nefertiti, and mostegyptian women, for example were completly bald. they mostly wore wool wigs. kinda remindsRamses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 36 | P a g e
  • 37. you of african women today no? hahaRe: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by amor4ce(m): 8:07am OnFeb 28, 2011Imagine what blacks can accomplish if our intelligence was restored. If the pastaccomplishments were on the dark side, them we probably deserved what we got We can tryagain but this time without divisions like one group claiming to be superior to others.Ive also wondered why nations of the Nile except arab Egypt+Sudan have allowed the latter todominate the use of the Nile and let them use their dams to cover/hide/bury Nubian treasureswith water (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/05/2010519183943413127.html).Heres another resource from National Geographic titled "The Black Pharaohs"http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text/2Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by adejimota: 5:31am OnMar 02, 2011This thread is enlighteningRe: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by vivaladiva(f): 5:52am OnMar 02, 2011ok so aunty cleo and uncle ramses were black ehen-----seriously this is pathetic----when blackafricans arent interested in archeology or ancient history----when i mean interested i mean goingthere n diging up n collecting artefacts and evidence, learning ancient languages n translatingthem---- not just gobbling up some crap on the internet put there to make some delluded blackpeople feel good about themselves-----how many black africans can read the egyptian hyroglifics(thank mankind for google), how many black africans even go to egypt---not to hussle but purelyout of interest-----oh plssssssssssssseven if the egyptians where black so bloody fu-ck wat----is that the stimulus we need to make ussit straight and act right, shiiiiit that was 4000 years agowat happened to our history from just 500, 400, 300,200 years ago----where is it documented byblack africans that we can read today and not feel that is tainted by western subjective opinions----una think say na by black black---black dey n black sef dey, even if they were blacks, theyclearly had a culture of documenting things that i dont think blacks of west africa were everinterested in doing,Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:Original Egyptians Were Black?NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS 37 | P a g e