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Joe: Hi, Amy!
Joe: So far, just us, I guess.... :-)
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Joe: Hi there
Reece: Greetings. Just checking in.
Joe: Nice to see you; hope all is well with you this evening
Reece: All is well, yes. Only three people so far?
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Joe: now 4--hi Shawn
Joe: fyi, i don't really have an agenda here--just available for questions, discussion, etc
shawn: gee - shouldn't we be using Google Talk?
Joe: i know at least one group is, to facilitate their group work
shawn: i asked my group to sign up for it but i haven't heard from them
shawn: that is our topic for group 10
Joe: good--the groups are just starting to come together; i'm going to talk about that in my podcast
shawn: should we be doing an evaluation of our topics or just description?
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Joe: you mean for the synopses?
Joe: a bit of both--description of the product itself, its marketplace, business model, competition etc
Joe: but also an evaluation of why they're doing it
Joe: i wasn't necessarily thinking of a product evaluation per se (whether the thing actually works or now,
how well, etc)
Joe: but a little of that would be fine as well...the list of things i specified in the assignment is really just
meant as a baseline
shawn: ok, what should we be looking for as far as the business model goes? would we find this in industry
news about the product?
Joe: you might
Joe: that might well be the hardest/trickiest part
Joe: esp to parcel out a product as opposed to Google as a whole
shawn: //0 i agree
Joe: you might just be able to estimate or guess at what the revenue model is--are they generating any,
from what sources, are there significant costs associated with it, etc
Joe: i doubt you could make a balance sheet, let's say that!
Joe: although if you do, i'll be verrrry impressed :-)
shawn: how much detail - do you want statistics if we can find them - and should we cite sources?
Joe: always cite sources, and statistics, where and when you can find them, would probably be very useful
shawn: ok, that sounds good
Joe: the synopses themselves are important, and i think you'll find them interesting to do
Joe: but they are really meant as fodder for the general what-is-google discussion, and your
product/service ideas that flow from that
Joe: make sense?
shawn: yes, i believe so
Joe: anything else on anybody's mind?
kbuxton: I just stuck my head in to see what was up :)
Joe: hi there--just here to answer questions, whatever arises
Joe: and to play with the chat tool, see how it works
shawn: it's not bad for a chat tool - better than Google Talk from what i've seen so far.... they lack emoticons
Joe: really? that's odd
Joe: i mean, what's a chat/IM environment without them--yahoo, msn, aol, etc all have them
shawn: yes, they're very bare bones so far. i'm hoping they'll add a few features
shawn: noo kidding!
Joe: intriguing...of course they've always had such a bare-bones look and feel for the web search tool
shawn: i think in matt saxtons 520 class a couple years back we exercised all the emoticons
Joe: but you'd think they'd have at least the standard set of features
Joe: sounds like Matt :-)
Joe: does Google Talk allow file sharing?
shawn: for this chat feature that is - and cohort 2 was esp chatty that year
kbuxton: none of my google talk friends are signed in to try..
shawn: nope not yet'
Joe: mind you, there are some pretty vicious looking emoticons here, several that denote injury, illness, etc
shawn: i'm signed in - firstname.lastname@example.org if anyone wants to test it
kbuxton: the spiffiest thing I've played with with it is if you turn on the "talk" feature but don't have a
microphone it'll send whatever you're playing over the speakers
kbuxton: err, your speakers, so your friend can hear your music
shawn: that's funny
Reece: I installed Talk on my PC a while ago, but I uninstalled it after I couldn't get any of my friends to use
Joe: curioser and curioser...it also seems to not have made much of a ripple...i thought that was a curious
addition for them, in a competitive marketplace where people seem pretty wedded to a tool
Joe: i was wondering about that--how many people use it
Joe: and would switch over from tools they were comfortable with and had extensive friends lists on
kbuxton: I installed it when it first came out but haven't used it much... I've stuck with trillian
Joe: i tried trillian, but it kept crashing
Reece: I think Talk is supposed to be embedded into the Google Desktop 2 app, so that all the 'most-
needed' apps can be reached in one place -- Google's Corner!
shawn: considering that GAIM and the other one... trilogy? allow users from MSN & Yahoo - there's stiff
competition out there
Joe: and no doubt someday included in the Google Pack
kbuxton: i tried the google pack but already uninstalled
kbuxton: i don't like things that auto-update my software
Joe: i looked at it, didn't seem to give me much i didn't already have
kbuxton: i couldn't find a place to turn off the auto-update
Reece: I tried the VoIP on Talk. I had a pretty decent sound quality.
kbuxton: just how to turn off the notifications for it
Joe: oh no, once they've got you....
kbuxton: which seemed a bit counter-intuitive
Joe: VoIP has been tricky in IM/chat as well, at least in my couple of experiments
shawn: the avatar feature here is one that i haven't seen else where - at least similar to this with the
emoticon selection for an avatar
Joe: yeah, that is interesting
shawn: the google pack was highly criticized by some industry bloggers
shawn: bruce schnier i think
shawn: because it didn't add ant real value other than popularizing free softwar available individually
Joe: yeah, i felt the same way
Reece: Does anyone know about Google's pixel redraw technology? Esp in Gmail? I've heard that the
reason Gmail looks like it loads so quickly is because they somehow get the screen to redraw only the
necessary pixels. (Yahoo Mail reloads the whole screen when you navigate through it.) Is this just a Google
Joe: nice to have it all in one place, but a lot of people have much of that already--at least the ones who
were likely to have free software
kbuxton: There ARE people like my parents that don't really like downloading and installing things
Joe: and perhaps Google makes the idea more palatable, safer
kbuxton: that might be more likely to if they were all in one place and had some validation from google
shawn: exactly - i think that's the market their after
Joe: drawing in ever yet more people
kbuxton: (then again, they've got dialup only so prefer to buy boxes)
shawn: folk like my grandmother that aren't real computer savvy to begin with
Joe: there's a lot of people who are well behind the bleeding edge...and happy about iit
Joe: and their eyeballs count too
kbuxton: (the internet access on my phone was faster than their dialup so I used that while I was visiting)
Joe: that's amazing
kbuxton: connected my laptop via usb to the phone :)
Joe: lol good for you!
shawn: wow high tech //2
Joe: i doubt that would make me finally break down and get a cell phone, but it's nice to know you could do
Reece: Has anyone tried Google Maps for their moblie phones yet?
kbuxton: my phone doesn't deal with the maps well, no
shawn: nope. i'm too cheap and it would be too tiny for real value i think
shawn: i'd have to be lost
Reece: It won't work on my Motorola phone.
kbuxton: the mobile gmail won't work with my phone either :(
Joe: that sounds like one of those great-ideas-in-principle-but
Reece: I could have pretty interesting uses, I think.
Reece: Like Dodgeball.com?
shawn: has anyone seen their "labs" page?
kbuxton: not recently
Joe: ah yes
Joe: i haven't mentioned that yet...the dumb things they come up with
Joe: and the fascinating things
kbuxton: Most of my friends that work there can't tell me what they're working on
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kbuxton: one was at android.com before that got bought
kbuxton: google robots?
Reece: I have a friend of a friend at Google, too. Prolly won't learn much from him, I'm guessing.
Joe: the labs page is interesting...did you know they had a google-by-phone (using the keypad) feature
there for a while?
Reece: But the benefits sound awesome.
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Joe: they're very close-mouthed...and well paid...and happy
kbuxton: I do have one friend who quit
shawn: using the phone keypad?
Joe: why did your friend quit?
kbuxton: but apparently that was a personal conflict with a manager not anything about the company
Reece: I've used the search function on my phone browser. Is that the same?
shawn: i think that would drive me nuts - if it's anything like my cell phone spell check and keypad
Joe: nope--this was search by typing in letter on the keypad, from any phone (no internet required)
Joe: it was....odd
shawn: yeah, that would take a while to get used to i think
Joe: and hung on the labs page for quite a while, not unlike the Sets feature (now there since '02)
Reece: I've never understood browsing by phone anyway. Soooo sloooow.
Joe: somebody's bright idea that didn't work...you gotta have a bunch of those to get the cool things too
Reece: I don't get Sets. Why is it there?
Joe: good question
kbuxton: don't the employees spend 20% of their time on things other than their main task?
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Joe: notice the "graduates of labs" column tho---pretty impressive stuff
Reece: Is it a really specific tool or certain professionals?
kbuxton: perhaps the labs are the better of those projects
Joe: i've heard the 20% (or something like that) rule too
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shawn: hi catherine!
Reece: If you go to video.google.com you can look at their 6 HOUR video about the Google Factory. It's
Joe: not sure how the Labs stuff gets there...or gets off
Catherine_McMullen: Hello, just got off work, how is everyone?
Joe: Hi there!
Reece: And the recruiting videos are good 'n' cheesy, too.
Joe: yes, i was playing with Video this afternoon---mesmerising
shawn: we're just chatting about funny google projects - some of which didn't work so well
Joe: (and I'm here to answer any questions anybody might have too...general discussion is fun as well!)
shawn: excellent - like the 80s recruiting & business videos that are free everywhere these days
Reece: The Google Factory tour displays some other technologies coming from them soon. (I just skimmed
Joe: "Yes, you too can have an exciting future at Yoyodyne Industries!"
Catherine_McMullen: Joe, are there any specific guidelines to the synoposises hidden on the 498 website
Joe: hi Catherine--there's a whole page describing what the synopses should be
Joe: linked from the main page
Catherine_McMullen: okay, I'll check it out.. thanks
Joe: there was a bit of discussion earlier on what they should be like; i'll post the transcript after this chat so
you can read that
shawn: thanks for the chat everyone and the question answering Joe, i'm off to some 523 homework next.
Joe: cool--cya Shawn
kbuxton: I'm heading off too... *wave*
shawn: I have to read my next Joe Janes chapter :)
Joe: thanks for the royalties!!
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shawn: thank amazon too - i think I got the only copy out there ;)
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Reece: Yes, I'm off to finish an assignment now. Thanks, all.
Joe: take care
Joe: thanks for stopping by
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Joe: any other questions, Catherine? or anything else on your mind?
Catherine_McMullen: No, I just wanted to check in and see if anything was going on. Thanks for the office
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Joe: Hi there!
Deanna: Hi Joe. I decided I had better check this chat out.....I haven't used it before.
Joe: welcome...we just had a bunch of people come and go, so you're the second seating
Deanna: Hopefully the food will be just as good.
Deanna: What does it mean "14 rooms"?
Joe: i hope so too!
Joe: there's a room for each distance course
Joe: i think we're the only ones on tonight
Deanna: And can I find an archive here of what went on prior to my arrival?
Joe: this is how most distance classes do office hours...but also available for students to use whenever; i
don't have to be here
Joe: yes, i'm going to post the transcript as soon as we're done
Joe: linked from the main web page
Joe: any questions? or were you popping by to see what was up?
Deanna: I was popping. Like taking a peek at the man behind the curtain. I didn't know this animal
existed...or where it would take me.
Joe: well now you know
Joe: we were discussing IM/chat tools earlier, incl Google Talk
Deanna: I have used IM before but that's about it.
Deanna: I checked out the Google video page earlier.
Joe: yes, i was playing with that too
Joe: quite a range of stuff
Deanna: fun, the free stuff anyway
Joe: and the requisite nut cases too
Joe: not to mention people with too much free time on their hands
Deanna: heh, yeah
Joe: found one this after with two young guys kinda dancing, kinda fighting, kinda mugging for the camera
with loud music in the background
Joe: afternoon, thatis
Deanna: my wireless tends to cut in and out so the videos I picked through were at staccato speed
Joe: for some of them, that might have been an improvement!
Joe: gives it that artsy feel
Deanna: just clicked on a guy crying. Disturbingly creepy.
Joe: the things people put on the internet
Joe: obviously, not *that* much stuff there yet, but oh boy once people get going
Deanna: the things people take from it
Joe: that too
Deanna: Ok, checking out. Hmmm, let's see. How does one do that....
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Joe: there's a logout button at the bottom, or i think you can just close the window
shawn: quick correction on one of my earlier comments
Deanna: Ah, I see. Tiny icons for middle aged eyes. Have a good evening Joe and Shawn!
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shawn: the person that discussed google pack was Om Malik
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