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Keeping the Audit Alive:
                  PAC examination of performance audits



PUBLIC ACCOUNTS           Paul McLeay MP
   COMMITTEE                Chair, PAC
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
   COMMITTEE           The Committee




     The NSW Public Accounts Committee
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
   COMMITTEE




• PAC background and functions

• Examination of performance audits
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
       COMMITTEE              OVERVIEW




• Created by Part 4 of Public Finance and Audit Act
   1983
• Comprises six members of the Legislative Assembly
• Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries excluded
   from membership of the Committee
• Chaired by a Government member
• Four members required for quorum
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
     COMMITTEE                     HISTORY



• Established in 1902
• Examines financial and accountability issues on
behalf of the NSW Parliament
• Previously, limited range of issues
      unable to initiate own inquiries
      Parliament and Auditor-General reluctant to
   refer matters
• Reforms in the 1980s
      expanded powers
      can now initiate its own inquiries
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
     COMMITTEE              Current functions



Public Finance and Audit Act 1983, Section 57
• PAC’s primary functions are to examine:
    Total State Sector Accounts
    Financial reports of State authorities
    Opinions and reports of the Auditor-General
  Restrictions on the Committee
   x Government policy, unless inquiry referred by
     Assembly or Minister
   x Estimates of proposed expenditure
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
   COMMITTEE            Source of Inquiries




                  Referral by:
•   Referral by:

       Legislative Assembly
•   Referral by:

       Legislative Assembly


       Minister
•   Referral by:

       Legislative Assembly


       Minister


       Auditor-General
The NSW Public Accounts Committee
Referral by:

     Legislative Assembly



     Minister



     Auditor-General



     the Committee
Inquiries




Functions include reporting on circumstances
connected with Auditor-General’s reports
Auditor-General
          Assists Parliament to improve
              State accountability &
          performance through auditing
Reports                                   Refers



             Parliament
              Delegates to the PAC
             detailed examination of
           expenditure & audit reports




Refers              PAC                   Reports
          Assists Parliament to improve
             State accountability &
              performance through
              examination of audits
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
        COMMITTEE         Review of Performance Audits




Former Approach — the PAC would:

•   choose a performance audit once or twice a year for detailed
    examination

•   conduct a standard, detailed committee inquiry, publicly
    calling for submissions and hearing from a broad range of
    witnesses

•   Produce a detailed report with recommendations reflecting
    the Committee’s views on the subject matter of the audit
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE          Review of Performance Audits


New Approach — the PAC:

•   Examines every performance audit

•   Seeks submission from agency 12 months after audit

•   Refers agency’s submission to A-G for comment on consistency with
    audit recommendations

•   Holds hearings with agency and A-G

•   Report with recommendations regarding response to the audit

•   Report debated in Parliament

•   Government response within 6 months
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE       Review of Performance Audits




Timeline:

•   Submission request 12 months after audit

•   One month for agency to produce submission

•   Two weeks for Auditor-General’s response

•   Hearings held periodically on a number of audits
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE      Review of Performance Audits



Agency submissions:

•   Outline response to each recommendation, including:

      Assessment of recommendation
      Plans made in response
      Timetable for completion
      Current status and action taken to date
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE       Review of Performance Audits




Hearing Process:

•   Questioning on issues arising from consideration of
    submissions


•   Auditor-General appears as a witness at the same time as
    agencies


•   A number of reports will be considered on a single day
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE       Review of Performance Audits




Parliamentary Debate:

•   New sessional orders provide for debate of all committee
    reports


•   Opportunity for Members to raise enduring concerns or
    points of interest in Parliament


•   Alerts the whole House to issues raised in the Committee
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE            Review of Performance Audits


Purpose:

•   Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and
    political authority and accountability of the PAC
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE            Review of Performance Audits


Purpose:

•   Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and
    political authority and accountability of the PAC

•   Ensure recommendations of value are not forgotten

       Agency revised responses for hearing
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE            Review of Performance Audits


Purpose:

•   Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and
    political authority and accountability of the PAC

•   Ensure recommendations of value are not forgotten

•   Allow both recommendations and responses to be tested in the
    political arena

       Explain any rejection of recommendations
       Demonstrate how any problems have been addressed
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE            Review of Performance Audits


Purpose:

•   Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and
    political authority and accountability of the PAC

•   Ensure recommendations of value are not forgotten

•   Allow both recommendations and responses to be tested in the
    political arena

•   Ensure CEOs account to the Parliament for how they respond to
    recommendations

       Outline changes to address issues
       Explain any lack of progress
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE             Review of Performance Audits


Purpose:

•   Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and
    political authority and accountability of the PAC

•   Ensure recommendations of value are not forgotten

•   Allow both recommendations and responses to be tested in the
    political arena

•   Ensure CEOs account to the Parliament for how they respond to
    recommendations

•   Provide reality check to Audit Office

       External assessment of recommendation in light of experience
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE             Review of Performance Audits


Purpose:

•   Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and
    political authority and accountability of the PAC

•   Ensure recommendations of value are not forgotten

•   Allow both recommendations and responses to be tested in the
    political arena

•   Ensure CEOs account to the Parliament for how they respond to
    recommendations

•   Provide reality check to Audit Office
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
         COMMITTEE       Review of Performance Audits




Outcome:




•   Improved accountability & performance of State agencies
www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/publicaccounts

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Pac Performance Audits 0908

  • 1. Keeping the Audit Alive: PAC examination of performance audits PUBLIC ACCOUNTS Paul McLeay MP COMMITTEE Chair, PAC
  • 2. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE The Committee The NSW Public Accounts Committee
  • 3. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE • PAC background and functions • Examination of performance audits
  • 4. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE OVERVIEW • Created by Part 4 of Public Finance and Audit Act 1983 • Comprises six members of the Legislative Assembly • Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries excluded from membership of the Committee • Chaired by a Government member • Four members required for quorum
  • 5. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE HISTORY • Established in 1902 • Examines financial and accountability issues on behalf of the NSW Parliament • Previously, limited range of issues  unable to initiate own inquiries  Parliament and Auditor-General reluctant to refer matters • Reforms in the 1980s  expanded powers  can now initiate its own inquiries
  • 6. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Current functions Public Finance and Audit Act 1983, Section 57 • PAC’s primary functions are to examine:  Total State Sector Accounts  Financial reports of State authorities  Opinions and reports of the Auditor-General Restrictions on the Committee x Government policy, unless inquiry referred by Assembly or Minister x Estimates of proposed expenditure
  • 7. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Source of Inquiries Referral by:
  • 8.
  • 9. Referral by:  Legislative Assembly
  • 10.
  • 11. Referral by:  Legislative Assembly  Minister
  • 12.
  • 13. Referral by:  Legislative Assembly  Minister  Auditor-General
  • 14. The NSW Public Accounts Committee
  • 15. Referral by:  Legislative Assembly  Minister  Auditor-General  the Committee
  • 16. Inquiries Functions include reporting on circumstances connected with Auditor-General’s reports
  • 17. Auditor-General Assists Parliament to improve State accountability & performance through auditing Reports Refers Parliament Delegates to the PAC detailed examination of expenditure & audit reports Refers PAC Reports Assists Parliament to improve State accountability & performance through examination of audits
  • 18. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Former Approach — the PAC would: • choose a performance audit once or twice a year for detailed examination • conduct a standard, detailed committee inquiry, publicly calling for submissions and hearing from a broad range of witnesses • Produce a detailed report with recommendations reflecting the Committee’s views on the subject matter of the audit
  • 19. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits New Approach — the PAC: • Examines every performance audit • Seeks submission from agency 12 months after audit • Refers agency’s submission to A-G for comment on consistency with audit recommendations • Holds hearings with agency and A-G • Report with recommendations regarding response to the audit • Report debated in Parliament • Government response within 6 months
  • 20. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Timeline: • Submission request 12 months after audit • One month for agency to produce submission • Two weeks for Auditor-General’s response • Hearings held periodically on a number of audits
  • 21. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Agency submissions: • Outline response to each recommendation, including: Assessment of recommendation Plans made in response Timetable for completion Current status and action taken to date
  • 22. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Hearing Process: • Questioning on issues arising from consideration of submissions • Auditor-General appears as a witness at the same time as agencies • A number of reports will be considered on a single day
  • 23. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Parliamentary Debate: • New sessional orders provide for debate of all committee reports • Opportunity for Members to raise enduring concerns or points of interest in Parliament • Alerts the whole House to issues raised in the Committee
  • 24. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Purpose: • Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and political authority and accountability of the PAC
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  • 26. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Purpose: • Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and political authority and accountability of the PAC • Ensure recommendations of value are not forgotten Agency revised responses for hearing
  • 27. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Purpose: • Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and political authority and accountability of the PAC • Ensure recommendations of value are not forgotten • Allow both recommendations and responses to be tested in the political arena Explain any rejection of recommendations Demonstrate how any problems have been addressed
  • 28. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Purpose: • Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and political authority and accountability of the PAC • Ensure recommendations of value are not forgotten • Allow both recommendations and responses to be tested in the political arena • Ensure CEOs account to the Parliament for how they respond to recommendations Outline changes to address issues Explain any lack of progress
  • 29. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Purpose: • Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and political authority and accountability of the PAC • Ensure recommendations of value are not forgotten • Allow both recommendations and responses to be tested in the political arena • Ensure CEOs account to the Parliament for how they respond to recommendations • Provide reality check to Audit Office External assessment of recommendation in light of experience
  • 30. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Purpose: • Bring together the professional expertise of the Audit Office and political authority and accountability of the PAC • Ensure recommendations of value are not forgotten • Allow both recommendations and responses to be tested in the political arena • Ensure CEOs account to the Parliament for how they respond to recommendations • Provide reality check to Audit Office
  • 31. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Review of Performance Audits Outcome: • Improved accountability & performance of State agencies