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Slides to accompany a paper I gave on Dewey & the early Realists at Columbia U. Law School. Griffith U. Law School, May 2007 -- effectively a draft of chapter 4 of my book, Transforming Legal ...

Slides to accompany a paper I gave on Dewey & the early Realists at Columbia U. Law School. Griffith U. Law School, May 2007 -- effectively a draft of chapter 4 of my book, Transforming Legal Education.

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The long revolution or the road not taken...?  John Dewey and the Realists The long revolution or the road not taken...? John Dewey and the Realists Presentation Transcript

  • The long revolution, or the road not taken…? John Dewey and the Realists Professor Paul Maharg Glasgow Graduate School of Law
  • outline
    • 1920s at Columbia University Law School
    • John Dewey at Columbia:
      • legal logic
      • legal curriculum
    • Dewey and the realists
    • Dewey & E.L. Thorndike
    • The New Legal Realists
    • ‘ One cannot understand the history of education in the United States in the twentieth century unless one realizes that Edward L. Thorndike won and John Dewey lost.’
        • Deborah Lagemann
    • ‘ [Dewey’s] method of dealing with problems is still and always will be the great and needed method: Take a fresh look, look to see what is there, and what it is about, and re-pose your issues in those terms.’
        • Karl Llewellyn
    • ‘ The curriculum of the American law school is in some respects a makeshift, the resultant of forces many of which bear little logical relation to each other. The exigencies of the personnel of the teaching staff, the form and scope of particular text or case books, the constant tendency manifest in most educational enterprises to multiply courses, the undue overlapping of courses and the failure of any school in recent years to make a systematic revision of its curriculum are some of the elements contributing to the failure of law school curricula to realize to the fullest extent the needs and tendencies of present day legal education.’
        • (Harlan F. Stone, Columbia University Bulletin of Information, Annual Report of the Dean of the School of Law, 1922)
    • ‘ the problem of simplifying our law in its statement and in its mechanism is due not alone or principally to the volume and character of its literature. It is one which is inherent in the nature of the common law and the method of its creation. The common law doctrine of precedent, whereby the judicial decision not only determines the rights of litigants who invoke it, but becomes the authoritative source of legal precepts to govern future cases, is at once the secret of its strength and the source of some of its weaknesses.’
    • ‘ The result of these investigations has been to place great emphasis on the "method of sociology" or "sociological jurisprudence" and to establish in our legal thinking that trinity of juridical theory-logic, history and the "'method of sociology"-as the source of .all true legal doctrine. We are told that the application of logic and history must be tempered by the "method of sociology," and that we must enlarge our scheme of jurisprudence so as to embrace within it the operations of a program of "social engineering.“’
    • John Dewey (1859-1952).
    • At Columbia, he was involved in…
    • Special Conference on Logical and Ethical Problems of Law (1922), and conducted 1925-30 jointly with Edwin Wilhite Patterson
    • Student course, entitled Logical and Ethical Problems of the Law.
    'No lawyer ever thought out the case of a client in terms of the syllogism. He begins with a conclusion which he intends to reach, favourable to his client of course, and then analyzes the facts of the situation to find material out of which to construct a favourable statement of facts, to form a minor premiss.'
    • ‘ Dewey, through his primary interest in education, stresses the adaptability and latent capacity of mankind rather than its limitations. … Once I asked Professor Dewey ‘Why do you talk only of the influence of the social environment on the individual and not about his inborn traits, which limit and determine his destiny in life far more than his education or other environmental influences?’ After a pause, he replied ‘I suppose it’s because we can’t do anything about them.’ ‘
        • Edwin Wilhite Patterson, Jurisprudence: Men and Ideas of the Law (1953)
    • ‘ The multiplication of courses in present day law curricula approaches if it is not already, a positive evil. It cannot continue indefinitely. And yet the feeling grows that students are going out only partly trained for numerous specialized bodies of law are developing and we have not caught up by our tantalus-like addition of new courses. This suggests that in some of our so-called basic courses we have not got hold of some of those things which are really basic in the functioning of law with the result that this now hidden matter is constantly cropping out here and there as specialized and apparently unrelated problems.’
        • Herman Oliphant, ‘The Revision of the Law School Curriculum’, p.6
    • ‘ It is believed that, if we are really to get at the fundamentals, the organization of the curriculum must be more in terms of the human relations dealt with and less, as largely now, in terms of the logical concepts of the conventionally trained legal mind.’
        • Herman Oliphant, ‘The Revision of the Law School Curriculum’, p.6
    • ‘ A somewhat radical change in the model effected by including other materials than decided cases and by using problems or skeleton, [ sic ] cases, promises sufficient results to warrant careful study by the Law Faculty. It might well consider modifying the use of the case method in some of the advanced courses. But these changes if made would not constitute an outstanding development. Moreover, this mechanical problem cannot be the center of interest in a study of the curriculum.’
        • Herman Oliphant, ‘The Revision of the Law School Curriculum’, p.3
    • ‘ Many years ago, Mr Justice Holmes in classic phrase reminded us that 'the life of the law is not logic but experience'. ... But can we in any proper sense speak of the application of this principle as a 'method'? Has sociological jurisprudence any methodology, any formulae or principles which can be taught or expounded so as to make it a guide either to the student of law or to the judge? .. If not, then sociological jurisprudence will not tend to reduce the accumulation of anomalous doctrines; it may even add to it.’
        • Harlan F. Stone
  • E.L. Thorndike John Dewey
  •  
  • New Legal Realism…
    • NLR means…
    • ‘ bringing new legal realist translation into the core law school curriculum … to … create a beneficial erosion of traditional boundaries between “stand-up” and clinical teaching, between doctrinal and social science approaches, and between students as recipients of already-acquired information and researchers as the source of social science data.
        • Erlanger, Bringing Empirical Research to Legal Education, 2005, p.361; http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=896762
    • http://www.law.columbia.edu/law_school/communications/reports/spring2003/curric1