The Path to a Career in Research Jill Tinmouth U of T GI Program  Orientation Day  July 8, 2009
Potential complements to clinical medicine <ul><li>Research </li></ul><ul><li>Teaching </li></ul><ul><li>Administration </...
Potential complements to clinical medicine <ul><li>Research </li></ul><ul><li>Teaching </li></ul><ul><li>Administration </...
What is an academic job? <ul><li>Academic physicians must have two main foci </li></ul><ul><ul><li>clinical and either, </...
Additional degrees for an academic job <ul><li>Possible additional degrees </li></ul><ul><ul><li>M Sc / PhD clinical epide...
Academic Job Descriptions <ul><li>Clinician Scientist </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician Investigator </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician...
Academic Job Descriptions <ul><li>Clinician Scientist </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician Investigator </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician...
Research Job Descriptions <ul><li>Clinician Scientist </li></ul><ul><ul><li>70-80% research </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>10-...
U of T Department of Medicine Academic Job Descriptions Senior admin resp 50% R/T/A 50% A Mostly admin Clin Admin (MBA) 1-...
How is an academic paid? <ul><li>In the community, all income is directly related to your own clinical work </li></ul><ul>...
How do I finance additional training?
DOM Clinician-Scientist program <ul><li>Intended to train researchers (either Clinician Investigators or Clinician Scienti...
DOM Clinician-Scientist program <ul><li>Salary at R5 level and tuition is paid </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Guaranteed for 2 year...
External Funding – Fellowships <ul><li>Postdoctoral fellowships </li></ul><ul><ul><li>~$60,000 / year </li></ul></ul><ul><...
External Funding – Fellowships <ul><li>Canadian Institutes for Health Research (CIHR) </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Post doctoral ...
Internal Funding – GI Division <ul><li>Proctor and Gamble Fellowship </li></ul><ul><ul><li>$12,500 “top up” for those inte...
Obtaining Funding <ul><li>Need a supervisor/mentor </li></ul><ul><li>Need to plan well in advance! </li></ul><ul><ul><li>U...
Questions?
What are the details of the contract? <ul><li>base salary: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>$120-140K, minimum expected to generate <...
What are the details of the contract? <ul><li>Hospital division director organizes packages </li></ul><ul><ul><li>has no $...
What are the details of the contract? <ul><li>Hospital division director organizes packages </li></ul><ul><ul><li>has no $...
What are the details of the contract? <ul><li>Hospital division director organizes packages </li></ul><ul><ul><li>has no $...
Tips etc. <ul><li>Get as much as possible in writing, including mundane </li></ul><ul><ul><li>bottomline: do you trust you...
What qualifications are required for each type of job? <ul><li>CS: PhD, generally </li></ul><ul><ul><li>all basic research...
Advantages of “job descriptions” <ul><li>defines responsibilities and provides “protected time” </li></ul><ul><ul><li>unli...
Clinical Epidemiology Training <ul><li>U of T: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Diploma (6 courses, 1 yr) </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>...
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  1. 1. The Path to a Career in Research Jill Tinmouth U of T GI Program Orientation Day July 8, 2009
  2. 2. Potential complements to clinical medicine <ul><li>Research </li></ul><ul><li>Teaching </li></ul><ul><li>Administration </li></ul><ul><li>Medical politics </li></ul><ul><li>Medical entrepreneur </li></ul><ul><li>Family </li></ul>
  3. 3. Potential complements to clinical medicine <ul><li>Research </li></ul><ul><li>Teaching </li></ul><ul><li>Administration </li></ul><ul><li>Medical politics </li></ul><ul><li>Medical entrepreneur </li></ul><ul><li>Family </li></ul>
  4. 4. What is an academic job? <ul><li>Academic physicians must have two main foci </li></ul><ul><ul><li>clinical and either, </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>research, education or administration </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Most academic institutions require MSc + OR “equivalent work” </li></ul>
  5. 5. Additional degrees for an academic job <ul><li>Possible additional degrees </li></ul><ul><ul><li>M Sc / PhD clinical epidemiology </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>PhD in basic science </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>M Ed </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Master teacher program </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>MBA </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>LLB </li></ul></ul>
  6. 6. Academic Job Descriptions <ul><li>Clinician Scientist </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician Investigator </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician Educator </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician Teacher </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician Administrator </li></ul>
  7. 7. Academic Job Descriptions <ul><li>Clinician Scientist </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician Investigator </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician Educator </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician Teacher </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician Administrator </li></ul>
  8. 8. Research Job Descriptions <ul><li>Clinician Scientist </li></ul><ul><ul><li>70-80% research </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>10-20% clinical </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>10% admin/teaching </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>May be a clinical or basic science researcher </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>PhD > MSc </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Clinician Investigator </li></ul><ul><ul><li>30-40% research </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>30-40% clinical </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>25% admin/teaching </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>More amenable to clinical research </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>MSc </li></ul></ul>
  9. 9. U of T Department of Medicine Academic Job Descriptions Senior admin resp 50% R/T/A 50% A Mostly admin Clin Admin (MBA) 1-2 comittees Active collaborator Under: 30-40 h Post: some Grand rds Amb: 3-4 half d Inpt: 2-3 mos 10-15% T 50-60% C 10-15% R/A Most clin, some teaching Clin Teach (M Ed, Master teacher) Chair of 1+ comittee May do educ research Under: 30-60 h Post: 4-6 mos Grand rds Amb: 2-3 half d Inpt: 4-6 mos 30-40% T 30-40% C 25-30% R/A Mostly education Clin Educ (M Ed, Master teacher) 1-2 comittees PI 1+ grant 1 publ Under: 30-40 h Post: some Grand rds Amb: 2-3 half d Inpt: 2-3 mos 30-40% R 30-40% C 25-30% A/T Moderate research Clin Inv (MSc) 1-2 comittees PI of prg 1+ grant 2-3 publ Under: 30-40 h Post: some Grand rds Amb: 1-2 half d Inpt: 1-2 mos 70-80% R 10-15% T 10-15% C 5-10% A Mostly research Clin Sci (PhD) Admin Research Teaching Clinical Time Descriptn Title Clinician Investigator Clinician Scientist Research Obligations <ul><li>PI on a grant </li></ul><ul><li>1+ grant </li></ul><ul><li>1 publ/year </li></ul><ul><li>PI of a </li></ul><ul><li>program of </li></ul><ul><li>research </li></ul><ul><li>1+ grant </li></ul><ul><li>2-3 publ/year </li></ul>
  10. 10. How is an academic paid? <ul><li>In the community, all income is directly related to your own clinical work </li></ul><ul><li>In academics, a portion of your salary is underwritten, roughly proportional to the time you spend doing non-clinical work </li></ul>
  11. 11. How do I finance additional training?
  12. 12. DOM Clinician-Scientist program <ul><li>Intended to train researchers (either Clinician Investigators or Clinician Scientists) for eventual faculty position </li></ul><ul><li>Accept 10 trainees from U of T DOM/year </li></ul><ul><li>Must enroll in a graduate program at U of T, MSc or PhD </li></ul><ul><ul><li>2 to 4 years of support </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Basic, translational or clinical programs </li></ul></ul>
  13. 13. DOM Clinician-Scientist program <ul><li>Salary at R5 level and tuition is paid </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Guaranteed for 2 years </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Application to external funding is expected </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>80% secure an external award (~$55K) </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Program pays top up </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Will pay entire salary if no funding secured </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><li>Application is due Feb 1 st </li></ul><ul><ul><li>http://www.deptmedicine.utoronto.ca/page251.aspx#about </li></ul></ul>
  14. 14. External Funding – Fellowships <ul><li>Postdoctoral fellowships </li></ul><ul><ul><li>~$60,000 / year </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>May provide some funds for research project </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Funding agencies </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Canadian Institutes for Health Research (CIHR) </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Canadian Association of Gastroenterology (CAG) </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Others (HIV, American) </li></ul></ul></ul>
  15. 15. External Funding – Fellowships <ul><li>Canadian Institutes for Health Research (CIHR) </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Post doctoral fellowships </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Up to 5 years of support </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Oct 1 deadline </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Clinician Scientist </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Phase 1 and 2 </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Possible 6 years fellowship + 6 years of early faculty support </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Sept 15 deadline </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><li>Canadian Association of Gastroenterology (CAG) </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Co-sponsored by industry, some stipulate the area of research </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>1 to 3 years </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>October 15 deadline </li></ul></ul>
  16. 16. Internal Funding – GI Division <ul><li>Proctor and Gamble Fellowship </li></ul><ul><ul><li>$12,500 “top up” for those interested in academic medicine and pursuing an advanced degree at U of T </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Will be directed towards the Division’s contribution if in Clinician Scientist program </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Possibly, other fellowships next year </li></ul><ul><li>Deadlines April 15, thru Divisional website </li></ul>
  17. 17. Obtaining Funding <ul><li>Need a supervisor/mentor </li></ul><ul><li>Need to plan well in advance! </li></ul><ul><ul><li>U of T Clinician Scientist: </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Suggest 1.5 years prior to start date (ie R4 year) </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>External Fellowship </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Recommend 3 – 6 months to put application together </li></ul></ul></ul>
  18. 18. Questions?
  19. 19. What are the details of the contract? <ul><li>base salary: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>$120-140K, minimum expected to generate </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>minimal tax on clinical earnings </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>sources: clinical earnings + university/hospital contribution + salary awards </li></ul></ul><ul><li>above base: highly taxed (25%+) </li></ul><ul><li>non-clinical earnings </li></ul><ul><ul><li>$20K to $90K from hospital/University </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>if you are a CI, CS: external salary award ($50K) </li></ul></ul>
  20. 20. What are the details of the contract? <ul><li>Hospital division director organizes packages </li></ul><ul><ul><li>has no $ </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Hospital sources: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>dept of med </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>research dept </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Each individual’s job is unique </li></ul><ul><li>Clinician scientist can expect at $200-400K/year gross </li></ul><ul><li>Review after 3 years </li></ul>base low tax high tax clinical earnings hospital/ university salary external award Clinician Scientist
  21. 21. What are the details of the contract? <ul><li>Hospital division director organizes packages </li></ul><ul><ul><li>has no $ </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Hospital sources: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>dept of med </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>research dept </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Each individual’s job is unique </li></ul><ul><li>Academic gastroenterologist can expect $400K+/year gross </li></ul><ul><li>Review after 3 years </li></ul>base low tax high tax clinical earnings hospital/ university salary external award Clinician investigator
  22. 22. What are the details of the contract? <ul><li>Hospital division director organizes packages </li></ul><ul><ul><li>has no $ </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Hospital sources: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>dept of med </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>research dept </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Each individual’s job is unique </li></ul><ul><li>Academic gastroenterologist can expect $>400K/year gross </li></ul><ul><li>Review after 3 years </li></ul>base low tax high tax clinical earnings hospital/ university salary Clinician Educator/ Teacher
  23. 23. Tips etc. <ul><li>Get as much as possible in writing, including mundane </li></ul><ul><ul><li>bottomline: do you trust your DD? </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Having an external award in hand gives you negotiating power (CIHR Clin Sci) </li></ul><ul><li>Ask for $ to cover amt of external award should you fail to get it (X 3yrs) </li></ul><ul><li>Much of this may change with AFP </li></ul><ul><ul><li>may increase academic GI salary </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>may limit number of academic jobs </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Talk to recently hired colleagues to get up-to-date specifics and institution specific information </li></ul>
  24. 24. What qualifications are required for each type of job? <ul><li>CS: PhD, generally </li></ul><ul><ul><li>all basic researchers </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>few clinical researchers </li></ul></ul><ul><li>CI: MSc </li></ul><ul><ul><li>usually clinical researchers </li></ul></ul><ul><li>CT or CE: M Ed, Master teacher </li></ul><ul><li>CA: MBA, ?LLB </li></ul><ul><li>Note: no more jobs for “pure” clinicians </li></ul><ul><ul><li>extra clinical training is NOT equivalent to extra non-clinical training in the eyes of the university </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>exception: clinical associate: no university appt, gen pd on salary </li></ul></ul>
  25. 25. Advantages of “job descriptions” <ul><li>defines responsibilities and provides “protected time” </li></ul><ul><ul><li>unlike our predecessors, can be paid for research time (ie not done “on your own time”) </li></ul></ul><ul><li>expected by external funding agencies </li></ul><ul><li>generally, not “rigid”—it is possible to change job categories </li></ul>
  26. 26. Clinical Epidemiology Training <ul><li>U of T: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Diploma (6 courses, 1 yr) </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>MSc – thesis (6 courses + T, 2 yrs) T= 1 paper </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>MSc – non-thesis (10 courses, 2 yrs) </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>PhD (10 courses, comps, T, 3-5 yrs) T= 3 papers </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Outside of U of T </li></ul><ul><ul><li>McMaster, McGill/Calgary (+endo) </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>USA: MPH </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Harvard – intensive summer program (2 summers) </li></ul></ul></ul>
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