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Discussion	
  with	
  EMILY	
  after	
  reading	
  “Voices	
  in	
  the	
  Park”	
  by	
  Anthony	
  Browne	
  
Neale	
  Analysis	
  (Feb	
  2010):	
  	
  CA	
  9	
  y	
  3m.	
  	
  	
  
Reading	
  Age	
  :(Accuracy	
  &	
  Fluency)	
  12y5m	
  (+3y2m);	
  Comprehension	
  Age:	
  13y	
  2m	
  (	
  +3y11m)	
  
	
  
Transcript	
  Colour	
  Coding:	
  
	
  NS:	
  	
  Interviewer;	
  	
  
Emily:	
  Year	
  4	
  Student	
  
	
  
TRANSCRIPT	
  
	
  
After	
  reading	
  this	
  story	
  what	
  do	
  you	
  think	
  it’s	
  about?	
  
Their	
  point	
  of	
  view	
  of	
  the	
  visit	
  to	
  the	
  park,
How	
  many	
  visits	
  to	
  the	
  park	
  do	
  you	
  think	
  ANTHONY	
  BROWNE	
  is	
  telling	
  us	
  about?	
  	
  
One	
  	
  -­‐-­‐-­‐(Previously	
  when	
  asked	
  this	
  question	
  Emily	
  had	
  suggested	
  4	
  then	
  refined	
  it	
  to	
  two	
  “because	
  the	
  children	
  went	
  
with	
  their	
  parents”	
  After	
  reading	
  again	
  she	
  arrived	
  at	
  the	
  concept	
  of	
  one.	
  )	
  Emily	
  justified	
  by	
  referring	
  to	
  evidence	
  of	
  
the	
  presence	
  of	
  other	
  characters	
  in	
  the	
  illustrations	
  -­‐	
  freely	
  ranged	
  across	
  the	
  pages	
  and	
  showed	
  details	
  as	
  her	
  
justification)	
  
	
  
Which	
  is	
  your	
  favourite	
  character?
Smudge	
  because	
  she	
  has	
  a	
  big	
  imagination	
  ..a	
  colourful	
  happy	
  gorilla,	
  	
  ..she’s	
  a	
  cheerful	
  animal!	
  
and	
  the	
  Mother?	
  
She’s	
  a	
  bit	
  of	
  a	
  fuss	
  pot!	
  
	
  
What	
  did	
  you	
  think	
  about	
  the	
  author	
  Anthony	
  Browne?	
  	
  
He’s	
  very	
  creative..	
  like	
  Margaret	
  Wild	
  ..especially	
  with	
  the	
  animals	
  (the	
  gorillas)	
  
	
  
	
  
What	
  do	
  you	
  think	
  makes	
  someone	
  a	
  good	
  reader?
…You	
  understand	
  the	
  book	
  ‘cos	
  you	
  use	
  imagination,	
  you	
  enjoy	
  the	
  book,	
  you	
  know	
  what	
  it	
  says	
  and	
  actually	
  take	
  in	
  
what	
  the	
  book	
  says	
  	
  
How	
  do	
  you	
  “take	
  it	
  in”	
  ?	
  Can	
  you	
  tell	
  me	
  a	
  little	
  bit	
  more	
  about	
  that?	
  
I	
  look	
  at	
  the	
  words	
  more	
  closely	
  cos	
  that	
  helps	
  it	
  make	
  sense,	
  but	
  if	
  I	
  read	
  it	
  again	
  it’s	
  better…and	
  if	
  it’s	
  a	
  picture	
  
book	
  it’s	
  better	
  to	
  look	
  at	
  the	
  pictures	
  too	
  ..especially	
  if	
  they	
  are	
  creative	
  like	
  that!	
  (	
  pointing	
  to	
  an	
  illustration)	
  
What	
  if	
  you	
  are	
  reading	
  a	
  book	
  that	
  doesn’t	
  have	
  pictures?	
  
If	
  you	
  read	
  the	
  words	
  carefully	
  and	
  slowly	
  it	
  will	
  be	
  painting	
  a	
  picture	
  in	
  your	
  mind	
  	
  
	
  
Do	
  you	
  ever	
  get	
  stuck	
  and	
  need	
  to	
  work	
  a	
  bit	
  harder	
  to	
  try	
  to	
  make	
  sense	
  of	
  what	
  you	
  are	
  reading?	
  
What	
  I	
  do	
  	
  I	
  look	
  at	
  it	
  for	
  a	
  few	
  seconds..read	
  it	
  over	
  and	
  over	
  again	
  until	
  it	
  makes	
  sense…but	
  I	
  don’t	
  always	
  do	
  that	
  	
  
(	
  laughs)	
  
Sometimes	
  if	
  you	
  read	
  on	
  it	
  may	
  l	
  help	
  too.	
  
(Nods	
  and	
  agrees)When	
  I	
  read	
  the	
  next	
  sentence	
  the	
  last	
  one	
  made	
  sense	
  The	
  next	
  sentence	
  is.”.and	
  then	
  the	
  bird”	
  
…(	
  attempts	
  to	
  explain	
  but	
  gets	
  a	
  little	
  confused)	
  
	
  
Does	
  reading	
  other	
  books	
  help	
  you	
  ?	
  
Yes.	
  Most	
  have	
  lots	
  of	
  hard	
  words…and	
  I’m	
  getting	
  very	
  smart	
  from	
  reading	
  all	
  these	
  books	
  and	
  maybe	
  when	
  I’m	
  
not	
  reading	
  a	
  book	
  they	
  always	
  bring	
  up	
  tricky	
  words	
  and	
  I	
  know	
  the	
  answer.	
  Last	
  year	
  I	
  read	
  “	
  Heidi	
  and	
  the	
  
Mountains”	
  and	
  she	
  was	
  in	
  this	
  place	
  in	
  Germany	
  and	
  the	
  next	
  day	
  there	
  was	
  a	
  quiz	
  and	
  if	
  you	
  get	
  the	
  answer	
  right	
  
you	
  get	
  a	
  lolly	
  and	
  I’d	
  never	
  gotten	
  a	
  lolly	
  and	
  I	
  knew	
  the	
  answer	
  cause	
  it	
  was	
  Germany.	
  	
  
Yes	
  and	
  it	
  helps	
  your	
  brain	
  be	
  more	
  creative	
  and	
  learn	
  more	
  hard	
  words.	
  It	
  helps	
  you	
  to	
  spell	
  too	
  ‘cos	
  I	
  know	
  how	
  to	
  
spell	
  “sophistication”	
  now.	
  
Because	
  you’ve	
  read	
  that	
  word	
  lots	
  of	
  times?...	
  
YES!	
  And	
  	
  I	
  know	
  what	
  it	
  means	
  and	
  I	
  know	
  how	
  to	
  	
  spell	
  it	
  too…	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
 
You’ve	
  talked	
  a	
  lot	
  so	
  far	
  about	
  reading	
  the	
  words.	
  When	
  an	
  author	
  writes	
  a	
  book	
  do	
  you	
  think	
  they	
  want	
  you	
  to	
  
understand	
  the	
  words	
  or	
  to	
  understand	
  their	
  ideas?	
  Which	
  is	
  more	
  important?	
  	
  
The	
  ideas	
  I	
  guess	
  
What	
  ideas	
  do	
  you	
  think	
  ANTHONY	
  BROWNE	
  wants	
  to	
  communicate	
  in	
  “Voices	
  in	
  the	
  Park?	
  “	
  
It’s	
  about	
  creativity.	
  …I	
  reckon	
  it’s	
  supposed	
  to	
  be	
  about	
  making	
  friends	
  and	
  dealing	
  with	
  other	
  people	
  like	
  Charles’s	
  
Mum	
  
I’m	
  wishing	
  that	
  Charles	
  Mum	
  was	
  a	
  bit	
  more	
  relaxed.	
  (	
  Discussing	
  the	
  text	
  -­‐browsing	
  	
  and	
  re	
  reading	
  first	
  few	
  pages)	
  
I’m	
  wondering	
  who	
  was	
  more	
  important	
  to	
  her	
  Victoria	
  (	
  the	
  dog)	
  or	
  Charles?	
  
I	
  think	
  Victoria	
  was.	
  	
  Even	
  if	
  she	
  was	
  yelling	
  out	
  for	
  him	
  she	
  might	
  have	
  been	
  doing	
  it	
  because	
  she	
  was	
  worried	
  
people	
  might	
  think	
  she	
  was	
  not	
  a	
  nice	
  person	
  because	
  her	
  own	
  son	
  got	
  lost.	
  …She	
  doesn’t	
  seem	
  very	
  nice	
  to	
  him.	
  
I	
  think	
  maybe	
  she	
  tries	
  to	
  be	
  a	
  good	
  Mum.[	
  RE	
  READ	
  “She	
  knew	
  it	
  was	
  time	
  to	
  take	
  Victoria…..and	
  Charles	
  for	
  a	
  
walk”]	
  
I	
  think	
  she	
  likes	
  more	
  about	
  fashion	
  because	
  it	
  says	
  “pedigree”	
  labrador	
  !	
  Even	
  Smudge	
  says	
  it	
  was	
  “a	
  very	
  posh	
  
looking	
  dog”	
  And	
  the	
  house	
  and	
  her	
  clothes	
  are	
  very	
  posh!	
  ..and	
  even	
  Charles’	
  name	
  ‘Charles’	
  …He’s	
  very	
  neat!	
  
	
  
She	
  treats	
  him	
  like	
  a	
  boss.	
  She	
  said	
  ‘Sit	
  here’	
  and	
  she	
  wouldn’t	
  let	
  him	
  go	
  off	
  and	
  play	
  in	
  the	
  park	
  ..not	
  even	
  with	
  
Victoria.	
  
She	
  was	
  very	
  controlling	
  wasn’t	
  she?	
  
Maybe	
  she	
  didn’t	
  want	
  him	
  to	
  have	
  any	
  friends	
  because	
  he	
  might	
  have	
  more	
  fun.	
  
I	
  reckon	
  Smudge	
  is	
  great.	
  That’s	
  how	
  I’d	
  dress!	
  
	
  
I	
  think	
  Anthony	
  Browne	
  has	
  done	
  a	
  very	
  good	
  job	
  of	
  communicating	
  what	
  she’s	
  like..	
  What	
  can	
  you	
  tell	
  me	
  about	
  	
  
Smudge’s	
  Dad?	
  
He’s	
  very..doesn’t	
  care	
  about	
  his	
  looks	
  ..he’s	
  not	
  a	
  very	
  fashion	
  person..he	
  puts	
  on	
  any	
  clothes	
  that	
  he	
  has…and	
  see	
  
how	
  they	
  write	
  the	
  words	
  …(pointing	
  to	
  change	
  of	
  font	
  for	
  the	
  	
  Dad)…I	
  still	
  don’t	
  understand	
  why	
  he	
  has	
  man	
  arms	
  
(pointing	
  to	
  illustration)	
  
He	
  seems	
  droopy	
  …a	
  ‘worn’	
  person	
  and	
  it	
  looks	
  like	
  he	
  really	
  loves	
  Smudge.	
  
She’s	
  (Mum)	
  not	
  a	
  very	
  nice	
  person	
  ..they	
  are	
  not	
  very	
  happy	
  at	
  home	
  
Dad	
  he’s	
  probably	
  …he	
  really	
  loves	
  Smudge.	
  
I	
  wouldn’t	
  like	
  to	
  be	
  in	
  his	
  shoes!	
  [pointing	
  to	
  Charles]	
  
	
  
Short	
  Discussion	
  about	
  Visual	
  Jokes	
  and	
  illustrations…..	
  
My	
  favourtie	
  page	
  is	
  this	
  one	
  -­‐	
  the	
  bandstand.	
  It’s	
  very	
  colourful.	
  They	
  (	
  Smudge	
  and	
  Charles)	
  	
  look	
  very	
  happy!	
  
I	
  reckon	
  this	
  	
  book	
  is	
  very	
  good.	
  It’s	
  now	
  one	
  of	
  my	
  favourite	
  books.	
  I	
  like	
  it	
  better	
  than	
  “Black	
  &	
  White”	
  because	
  
B&W	
  seems	
  too	
  um	
  ‘unique’!	
  …very	
  very	
  strange.	
  They’re	
  both	
  creative	
  in	
  their	
  own	
  way.	
  	
  
Is	
  that	
  because	
  of	
  the	
  characters?	
  
I	
  liked	
  the	
  burglar	
  but	
  except	
  for	
  the	
  ‘newspaper’	
  parents,..	
  you	
  knew	
  they	
  were	
  very	
  weird.	
  
	
  
Do	
  you	
  still	
  want	
  to	
  be	
  an	
  author	
  one	
  day?	
  
When	
  I	
  wanna	
  be	
  an	
  author	
  I	
  want	
  to	
  be	
  like	
  him.	
  It	
  says	
  just	
  Anthony	
  Browne.	
  That	
  means	
  he	
  does	
  the	
  illustrations	
  
too.	
  I	
  want	
  to	
  illustrate	
  mine.	
  Except	
  for	
  some	
  books	
  I	
  want	
  my	
  sister	
  Katie	
  to	
  illustrate	
  them	
  because	
  she’s	
  very	
  
good!	
  

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Think aloud conversation with Emily

  • 1. Discussion  with  EMILY  after  reading  “Voices  in  the  Park”  by  Anthony  Browne   Neale  Analysis  (Feb  2010):    CA  9  y  3m.       Reading  Age  :(Accuracy  &  Fluency)  12y5m  (+3y2m);  Comprehension  Age:  13y  2m  (  +3y11m)     Transcript  Colour  Coding:    NS:    Interviewer;     Emily:  Year  4  Student     TRANSCRIPT     After  reading  this  story  what  do  you  think  it’s  about?   Their  point  of  view  of  the  visit  to  the  park, How  many  visits  to  the  park  do  you  think  ANTHONY  BROWNE  is  telling  us  about?     One    -­‐-­‐-­‐(Previously  when  asked  this  question  Emily  had  suggested  4  then  refined  it  to  two  “because  the  children  went   with  their  parents”  After  reading  again  she  arrived  at  the  concept  of  one.  )  Emily  justified  by  referring  to  evidence  of   the  presence  of  other  characters  in  the  illustrations  -­‐  freely  ranged  across  the  pages  and  showed  details  as  her   justification)     Which  is  your  favourite  character? Smudge  because  she  has  a  big  imagination  ..a  colourful  happy  gorilla,    ..she’s  a  cheerful  animal!   and  the  Mother?   She’s  a  bit  of  a  fuss  pot!     What  did  you  think  about  the  author  Anthony  Browne?     He’s  very  creative..  like  Margaret  Wild  ..especially  with  the  animals  (the  gorillas)       What  do  you  think  makes  someone  a  good  reader? …You  understand  the  book  ‘cos  you  use  imagination,  you  enjoy  the  book,  you  know  what  it  says  and  actually  take  in   what  the  book  says     How  do  you  “take  it  in”  ?  Can  you  tell  me  a  little  bit  more  about  that?   I  look  at  the  words  more  closely  cos  that  helps  it  make  sense,  but  if  I  read  it  again  it’s  better…and  if  it’s  a  picture   book  it’s  better  to  look  at  the  pictures  too  ..especially  if  they  are  creative  like  that!  (  pointing  to  an  illustration)   What  if  you  are  reading  a  book  that  doesn’t  have  pictures?   If  you  read  the  words  carefully  and  slowly  it  will  be  painting  a  picture  in  your  mind       Do  you  ever  get  stuck  and  need  to  work  a  bit  harder  to  try  to  make  sense  of  what  you  are  reading?   What  I  do    I  look  at  it  for  a  few  seconds..read  it  over  and  over  again  until  it  makes  sense…but  I  don’t  always  do  that     (  laughs)   Sometimes  if  you  read  on  it  may  l  help  too.   (Nods  and  agrees)When  I  read  the  next  sentence  the  last  one  made  sense  The  next  sentence  is.”.and  then  the  bird”   …(  attempts  to  explain  but  gets  a  little  confused)     Does  reading  other  books  help  you  ?   Yes.  Most  have  lots  of  hard  words…and  I’m  getting  very  smart  from  reading  all  these  books  and  maybe  when  I’m   not  reading  a  book  they  always  bring  up  tricky  words  and  I  know  the  answer.  Last  year  I  read  “  Heidi  and  the   Mountains”  and  she  was  in  this  place  in  Germany  and  the  next  day  there  was  a  quiz  and  if  you  get  the  answer  right   you  get  a  lolly  and  I’d  never  gotten  a  lolly  and  I  knew  the  answer  cause  it  was  Germany.     Yes  and  it  helps  your  brain  be  more  creative  and  learn  more  hard  words.  It  helps  you  to  spell  too  ‘cos  I  know  how  to   spell  “sophistication”  now.   Because  you’ve  read  that  word  lots  of  times?...   YES!  And    I  know  what  it  means  and  I  know  how  to    spell  it  too…            
  • 2.   You’ve  talked  a  lot  so  far  about  reading  the  words.  When  an  author  writes  a  book  do  you  think  they  want  you  to   understand  the  words  or  to  understand  their  ideas?  Which  is  more  important?     The  ideas  I  guess   What  ideas  do  you  think  ANTHONY  BROWNE  wants  to  communicate  in  “Voices  in  the  Park?  “   It’s  about  creativity.  …I  reckon  it’s  supposed  to  be  about  making  friends  and  dealing  with  other  people  like  Charles’s   Mum   I’m  wishing  that  Charles  Mum  was  a  bit  more  relaxed.  (  Discussing  the  text  -­‐browsing    and  re  reading  first  few  pages)   I’m  wondering  who  was  more  important  to  her  Victoria  (  the  dog)  or  Charles?   I  think  Victoria  was.    Even  if  she  was  yelling  out  for  him  she  might  have  been  doing  it  because  she  was  worried   people  might  think  she  was  not  a  nice  person  because  her  own  son  got  lost.  …She  doesn’t  seem  very  nice  to  him.   I  think  maybe  she  tries  to  be  a  good  Mum.[  RE  READ  “She  knew  it  was  time  to  take  Victoria…..and  Charles  for  a   walk”]   I  think  she  likes  more  about  fashion  because  it  says  “pedigree”  labrador  !  Even  Smudge  says  it  was  “a  very  posh   looking  dog”  And  the  house  and  her  clothes  are  very  posh!  ..and  even  Charles’  name  ‘Charles’  …He’s  very  neat!     She  treats  him  like  a  boss.  She  said  ‘Sit  here’  and  she  wouldn’t  let  him  go  off  and  play  in  the  park  ..not  even  with   Victoria.   She  was  very  controlling  wasn’t  she?   Maybe  she  didn’t  want  him  to  have  any  friends  because  he  might  have  more  fun.   I  reckon  Smudge  is  great.  That’s  how  I’d  dress!     I  think  Anthony  Browne  has  done  a  very  good  job  of  communicating  what  she’s  like..  What  can  you  tell  me  about     Smudge’s  Dad?   He’s  very..doesn’t  care  about  his  looks  ..he’s  not  a  very  fashion  person..he  puts  on  any  clothes  that  he  has…and  see   how  they  write  the  words  …(pointing  to  change  of  font  for  the    Dad)…I  still  don’t  understand  why  he  has  man  arms   (pointing  to  illustration)   He  seems  droopy  …a  ‘worn’  person  and  it  looks  like  he  really  loves  Smudge.   She’s  (Mum)  not  a  very  nice  person  ..they  are  not  very  happy  at  home   Dad  he’s  probably  …he  really  loves  Smudge.   I  wouldn’t  like  to  be  in  his  shoes!  [pointing  to  Charles]     Short  Discussion  about  Visual  Jokes  and  illustrations…..   My  favourtie  page  is  this  one  -­‐  the  bandstand.  It’s  very  colourful.  They  (  Smudge  and  Charles)    look  very  happy!   I  reckon  this    book  is  very  good.  It’s  now  one  of  my  favourite  books.  I  like  it  better  than  “Black  &  White”  because   B&W  seems  too  um  ‘unique’!  …very  very  strange.  They’re  both  creative  in  their  own  way.     Is  that  because  of  the  characters?   I  liked  the  burglar  but  except  for  the  ‘newspaper’  parents,..  you  knew  they  were  very  weird.     Do  you  still  want  to  be  an  author  one  day?   When  I  wanna  be  an  author  I  want  to  be  like  him.  It  says  just  Anthony  Browne.  That  means  he  does  the  illustrations   too.  I  want  to  illustrate  mine.  Except  for  some  books  I  want  my  sister  Katie  to  illustrate  them  because  she’s  very   good!